Vista Defrag?

[slapnutz]

Does anyone know if Vista will also require the 15% free disk space to defrag effectively?

[Bludd]

Uhm, it's not Windows who requires that. It is the defrag algorithm. The Windows XP defrag is licensed from Diskeeper.

[Phayzon]

^
Ive ran PerfectDisk with about 2% free space

[Kevin Wolff]

Windows Defrag doesn't "require" 15% free space. It recommends it. It'll work with less, it just may be slower.

[Bludd]

And it'll require multiple runs to defrag everything and if you have big fragmented files, it won't be able to fully defrag them if you have too little space left.

[Phayzon]

Even with bigger drives? I mean, if you have a 1TB drive I think you should be able to get away with like 5% (~50GB)

[Bludd]

Depends on how big your files are, but you may be right. I don't have the means with which to test this. :D

[Phayzon]

Even 5% of a 250GB drive is a nice chunk (~12.5GB, who really has a 12GB file laying around?). When I have 200 more gigs of crap ill test this theory :p :D

[mon2908]

I think Windows can't even adress files that are bigger than 2 GB.

[Bludd]

I think Windows can't even adress files that are bigger than 2 GB.

You are confused. It is the filesystem which concerns itself with file sizes. NTFS supports huge files:

16 TiB with current implementation

(16 EiB architecturally)

FAT16 supports only 2 GiB files, FAT32 4 GiB.

[mon2908]

Nay,

I thought I speak of the largest possible file on the filesystem that can be created and handled by the operating system. Not the amount of disk space that can be parted as whole at a harddrive.

4 GB? That is still less than you need for an ISO DVD Image. Are you sure? Does there exist some documentation about it?
Would be really interested what is actually possible. What backup strategies work best if you have a huge database in a single file?

[Bludd]

Yeah, you can't have dvd images on FAT32 unless you split them up.

[mon2908]

Thanks found what I actually looked for.

http://www.ntfs.com/ntfs_vs_fat.htm

PS: Wiki is great

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_file_systems

[Phayzon]

NTFS5? Never heard of that nor do I have a drive that uses it (Most of mine are NTFS and I think 1 in my old rig is FAT32)...

[Bludd]

NTFS has five versions: v1.0, v1.1 and v1.2 found in NT 3.51 and NT 4, v3.0 found in Windows 2000 and v3.1 found in Windows XP, Windows Server 2003, and in current pre-release versions of Windows Vista. These versions are sometimes referred to as v4.0, v5.0 and v5.1, after the version of Windows they ship with.

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[IwantMORE]

OS X:

* Hot-File-Adaptive-Clustering defragments files smaller than 20MB and places frequently used files on the faster portion of a hard disk
* Delayed allocation allows a number of small allocations to be combined into a single large allocation in one area of the disk.
* Aggressive read-ahead and write-behind caching reduces the impact associated with minor fragmentation
* HFS+ avoids reusing space from deleted files as much as possible, to avoid prematurely filling small areas of recently-freed space, thereby reducing the risk of fragmentation.

I would have thought Vista would have a least caught up with Apple, and I have never really experienced any performance boost from defraging, it's not as important as it used to be. As long as the OS is intelligent, osp sorry this is a vista thread...

[ZuljinRaynor]

Now if OSX didn't have stupid .DS_Store and .Trashes files made on my USB drive, it'd be fine. Windows doesn't make RECYCLED on my drive so I'm happy.

[Hudson]

Vista was originally supposed to ship with the linux-inspired WinFS file system, however it apparently wasn't doing what they wanted it to do.. very odd for a microsoft program ;)

[Jiminator]

8.5 GB ISO dvd images are common, I just burned one

[Odin]

Now if OSX didn't have stupid .DS_Store and .Trashes files made on my USB drive, it'd be fine. Windows doesn't make RECYCLED on my drive so I'm happy.

I ****ing hate when it does that.

[Mr.Fibbles]

I have ran defrag on my 40gb hard drive with like 2 gb free. I had to run it a few times and it did actually free up some space. Although it did take me a while to find the defrag tool, they hid it really well. I liked the Win9x thing where they put defrag on the start menu, on XP you have to go through properties in My Computer.

[Phayzon]

Um... what are you talking about?

[Mr.Fibbles]

maybe I didn't look hard enough. I know before I couldn't find it and couldn't defrag my computer until I saw someone do it. besides, I do not use the Microsoft system tools, I usually use third party stuff like CCleaner.
maybe it was something else hidden in there. I used to use some tools and then suddenly they were gone.

[Kevin Wolff]

Now if OSX didn't have stupid .DS_Store and .Trashes files made on my USB drive, it'd be fine. Windows doesn't make RECYCLED on my drive so I'm happy.
1) That has nothing to do with fragmentation, no matter what computer you have. (At least I hope not....)

2) The only reason Windows doesn't put anything like that on your USB drive is because there is no Recycle Bin for it. Your hard drives do have a hidden folder for that. Also, Windows likes those thumbs.db files a lot, so it isn't innocent. (In fact, I don't think anything is, provided that file managers want to do more than simply manage files...which is the norm these days unfortunately.)

3) Thanks for reminding me...I went and did a search for .DS and deleted them all in one shot. They only appear when you view hidden files.

[ibeam_tech]

Now if OSX didn't have stupid .DS_Store and .Trashes files made on my USB drive, it'd be fine. Windows doesn't make RECYCLED on my drive so I'm happy.

hahahahaha hehehehe
i agree with you

[Bludd]

1) That has nothing to do with fragmentation, no matter what computer you have. (At least I hope not....)

2) The only reason Windows doesn't put anything like that on your USB drive is because there is no Recycle Bin for it. Your hard drives do have a hidden folder for that. Also, Windows likes those thumbs.db files a lot, so it isn't innocent. (In fact, I don't think anything is, provided that file managers want to do more than simply manage files...which is the norm these days unfortunately.)

3) Thanks for reminding me...I went and did a search for .DS and deleted them all in one shot. They only appear when you view hidden files.

You can disable thumbs.db by disabling caching of thumbnails in folder settings.
Can you disable the creation of the files OSX creates?

[Kevin Wolff]

Can you disable the creation of the files OSX creates?
Honestly, I don't know.

[Bludd]

Found this:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=301711

[Odin]

HEY GUYS LET'S TALK ABOUT THE SHITFEST KNOWN AS OS X IN A THREAD ABOUT VISTA DEFRAGMENTATION.

[IwantMORE]

Vista will always get compaired to OS X it's the most popular consumer OS after Windows, and vist don't sound like it's any better than OS X.

Anyway I think the Defrag question was answered quite a while ago and your post did not add anything to this thread...

I'm still supprised defrag still exsists in Vista myself.

[Kevin Wolff]

HEY GUYS LET'S TALK ABOUT THE SHITFEST KNOWN AS OS X IN A THREAD ABOUT VISTA DEFRAGMENTATION.
It's always IwantMORE and mon2908 that start these things. I just have fun with them.

[Odin]

Anyway I think the Defrag question was answered quite a while ago and your post did not add anything to this thread...

Then let it die. You're derailing the topic.

[IwantMORE]

Anyway I think the Defrag question was answered quite a while ago

To quote myself...