And now for something very different....

[Redemer]

I have been following this forum for atleast 7 years ever since i heard about DNF. I am a big duke fan ever since DN3D and have waited patiently for DNF to be released and never really cared about the delays and all the drama that always surrounded this game. All this to say that i totally support all decisions made by 3DRealms in regards to this game. All i have seen and heard all these years are silly jokes and lack of confidence and support by the so called "fans" of the game and general press and i seriouly think people should STFU and let these guys work. More then ever they need our support and confidence, what people must understand is that these guys could have just cancelled this game and be done with it period, but instead they keept pushing it foward even if at some stages everything seemed to be agaisnt them. Lets not loose hope, they will come through on their promisse of giving us fans a new and fun game experience with DNF. Don't expect the best damn game in the history of gaming because you will probably be disapointed, but be sure they will deliver on their promisse of a fun inovative game. To all the DNF team and 3DRealms in general my best whishes of a great development of a game we will all love in the end. Keep up the great work guys!

[JobivanHiob]

hey, nice to hear such good sentences, signed!

[il_Duka]

I second that.. games produced/developed by 3DR are almost pieces of art, and you all know that Rome wasn't built in a day so... the patient will be rewarded, that's for sure. :)

[bokaj]

"more than ever they need our support and confidence.." .. :D .. please .. they don't need shit .. this is grown men .. they need to get the game done or to stop wasting their time and get a life ..
Hopefully they are involved other stuff and don't care about all these jokes which they really deserve.. In the end .. if they can't see they are a joke it surely doesn't look good for DNF .. I mean .. it's supposed to be a FUN game ...

[il_Duka]

Hopefully they are involved other stuff and don't care about all these jokes which they really deserve.. In the end .. if they can't see they are a joke it surely doesn't look good for DNF .. I mean .. it's supposed to be a FUN game ...

I don't get it :confused:

Also, do you know any punctuation signs other than periods?

[naddie]

As for everything 3DR has done being almost perfect, Prey is arguable. I love the SP, though short for a full-priced game.

I hope DNF, being completely under 3DR's control, will not let us down in both SP and MP aspects. Being UT-based gives me hope of it being highly moddable, which will prolong DNF's life after its intial released. Having good netcode along with innovative gametypes will also help out, but for sure we know that the tech is good, solid, and lends itself well to multiplaying madness as evident by the UT series.

Again, I'm sure it will be good. George is pretty nit-picky, which is good for DNF in the end. :)

[Redemer]

"more than ever they need our support and confidence.." .. :D .. please .. they don't need shit .. this is grown men .. they need to get the game done or to stop wasting their time and get a life ..
Hopefully they are involved other stuff and don't care about all these jokes which they really deserve.. In the end .. if they can't see they are a joke it surely doesn't look good for DNF .. I mean .. it's supposed to be a FUN game ...

Yes, I am very sure they have a great sense of humor, but i wouldn't go as far as to say they will get it done because of great people like yourself. Take care.

[Supreme Eight Ball]

Sorry, but I have to disagree in many points...

1) We cannot support 3DR decisions. We don´t know any of them.
2) Jokes and lack of confidence are indeed a constant when talking about DNF, but if you´ve ever read George Broussard´s quotes about the :censored:, you´ll understand the motives.
3) DN fans (me included) are the most concerned guys with DNF (only behind 3DR staff, of course). If you don´t like Duke, you don´t care about DNF.
4) 3DR won´t stop working because of complains (at least I hope not).
5) 3DR could not cancel an effort of almost :censored: of development for obviou$ reasons.

But on the rest, I agree. I really think that someday 3DR will release a cool game.

About Bokaj´s statement, he´s right. People that work with fun should find fun in jokes. :)

[Commando Nukem]

Sorry, but I have to disagree in many points...

1) We cannot support 3DR decisions. We don´t know any of them.
2) Jokes and lack of confidence are indeed a constant when talking about DNF, but if you´ve ever read George Broussard´s quotes about the :censored:, you´ll understand the motives.
3) DN fans (me included) are the most concerned guys with DNF (only behind 3DR staff, of course). If you don´t like Duke, you don´t care about DNF.
4) 3DR won´t stop working because of complains (at least I hope not).
5) 3DR could not cancel an effort of almost :censored: of development for obviou$ reasons.

But on the rest, I agree. I really think that someday 3DR will release a cool game.

About Bokaj´s statement, he´s right. People that work with fun should find fun in jokes. :)

1) Yes we do, they've had to delay the game for both artistic AND technical limitations. They've apoligised for "****ing up" and they want to deliver a good game, thats the TOP priority to release a good game that duke fans will love. They have not let a Duke Movie come to pass because of lack of quality in the script writing (since it never really got past the idea phase that is my assumption buckled with what I remember hearing.). They aren't releasing information in big updates because they don't want to give us any large amount of immformation that is subject to change/removal. Though that is not likely to happen at this point, they just want to play their cards right this time, and that means a proper development cycle and a proper media campaign.

2) Im not quite sure I understand your wording. If by that you mean that we give 3DR shit because of the way george talks then... Well no, I don't think thats the case at all, I think people do it becuase they are whiny little bastards who need to grow up and realise they live in a real world where mistakes are made and sh*t happens.

3) A lot of Duke Nukem fans are concerned, yes. there are plenty of people here who claim not to CARE about DNF, and give it an insult or a negative remark subtly in threads like "DNF won't suck, it won't ever be released!". So really the "fan base" is split down the middle, people who have an ultimately positive attitude, and people who have a generally negative one.

4) 3DR might if there are any large problems that crop up, or if the internet totally turns against them and they realise the awesome work they'd have to do in such an event to win their customers back, thankfully it hasn't gotten to that point yet. There are still *some* smart people out there.

5)Money has not been their problem, they still have a load of cash flowing in and reserved from DN3D sales, and the ports. The other big names like Max Payne, and of course the recently released Prey probably gave them a nice little lump of cash.

Of course they will release a cool/fun game. They're 3D Realms!

Sure, they're cool guys and have great senses of humor, but the remarks and the sarcasm go overboard, people should start toning it down. The WID joke is starting to get tiring... I mean it was sorta funny for the first six months but its been going on for years now. I can see it just starting to wear into them over time. I doubt they'd cancel it because of THAT though.

[Supreme Eight Ball]

Commando...

I am not in this forum for too long, but from what I´ve seen, this forum is primarily for fan speculation and casual chat (I´d like to see X, I wonder if Y will be in there...), not for information gathering. To say that DNF will be good, the best of the following year, etc. is simply what every developer (not only in gaming) says. The same could apply to "we had problems". Never mind, we´re still fans, we want to be the first to get news, we want to talk to other fans, and we are still in the forums.

Even if we have split sides, none of the sides is wrong. You have the right in wait for DNF patiently. And others have the right to complain while waiting. All of us are fans, gamers... But people who bought Apogee games (me included) and wanna buy DNF (me included) are still customers. I tried to state that most jokes come from the release date (:censored:) statements by 3DR. Only that. The WID joke might get boring, but sadly it only gets stronger each day. Fortunatelly jokes cannot kill a great game. If a game is really good, mouth-to-mouth eventually surpasses the problems. Something is for sure: when DNF comes, most people will laugh and say "Here comes another Daikatana!". And if DNF is a game with a 85% rating or more (what I believe), the currently notoriety will even help 3DR even more than if it were waited as the best game ever.

Of course they will release a cool/fun game. They're 3D Realms!
I believe that too. They are experienced, and to throw away years of development is simply $tupid, no matter how many funds you have. However, I´ve seen great guys lose their touch too (Mel Brooks, for example). Honestly speaking, I am not happy with the delays, not because I want to play the game only, but because I grew up and realised that I live in a real world where mistakes are made, sh*t happens, and long delays usually means poorly implemented projects that simply do not live up to expectations. Currently, to believe in DNF is not only a matter of confidence, but of faith instead. Once again, 3DR, please prove me I´m wrong. :(

[bokaj]

Commando ..
But thats the point isn't it. Maybe the jokes starts to gets tiring .. but so does everything else about this Forum. "Duke Nuke them F O R E V E R" .. You get it .. hahaha.. eh .. boring .. but so is .. "what weapons would you hate to see in this game ..". "Do you think the Duke should be 10 years older since the last game .." etc. etc. This is all pointless.
So what am I doing here? You're right.
Bye, bye .. if anything new happens about DNF this will be the last place it is revealed anyway ..

[Commando Nukem]

Commando...

I am not in this forum for too long, but from what I´ve seen, this forum is primarily for fan speculation and casual chat (I´d like to see X, I wonder if Y will be in there...), not for information gathering. To say that DNF will be good, the best of the following year, etc. is simply what every developer (not only in gaming) says. The same could apply to "we had problems". Never mind, we´re still fans, we want to be the first to get news, we want to talk to other fans, and we are still in the forums.

Even if we have split sides, none of the sides is wrong. You have the right in wait for DNF patiently. And others have the right to complain while waiting. All of us are fans, gamers... But people who bought Apogee games (me included) and wanna buy DNF (me included) are still customers. I tried to state that most jokes come from the release date (:censored:) statements by 3DR. Only that. The WID joke might get boring, but sadly it only gets stronger each day. Fortunatelly jokes cannot kill a great game. If a game is really good, mouth-to-mouth eventually surpasses the problems. Something is for sure: when DNF comes, most people will laugh and say "Here comes another Daikatana!". And if DNF is a game with a 85% rating or more (what I believe), the currently notoriety will even help 3DR even more than if it were waited as the best game ever.


I believe that too. They are experienced, and to throw away years of development is simply $tupid, no matter how many funds you have. However, I´ve seen great guys lose their touch too (Mel Brooks, for example). Honestly speaking, I am not happy with the delays, not because I want to play the game only, but because I grew up and realised that I live in a real world where mistakes are made, sh*t happens, and long delays usually means poorly implemented projects that simply do not live up to expectations. Currently, to believe in DNF is not only a matter of confidence, but of faith instead. Once again, 3DR, please prove me I´m wrong. :(


Yeah its for both, but people go from speculating to asking and demanding information from 3D Realms when 3D Realms has gone into Blackout mode.
Sure we're all customers of 3D Realms, but they don't owe us anything, and not everything is relative. Some peopl are WRONG for what they say and do on these forums. Acting like a pompus ass (im not pointing a finger at anyone here specifically. :) ) is something that often gets people kicked off these forums. Its just a little unnerving to see the same thread a few times over and over again within a matter of a FEW days, all you have to do is go back a page and "bump" the thread with your reply if you really want to discuss something.

Also its a level of maturity. 3D Realms can't expect us to be mature about media or information, i've had to sit back and just bury my face in my hands when George or Joe says even the smallest most mundane thing in the world. Its like watching canibles go after the explorers, everyone ripping and pulling in their own direction munching on this little morsal of information. Really, DNF fans are very faithful, and dedicated, but they also have a severe attitude and maturity problem. 3D Realms owes us nothing, we're even, they've apoligised, told us what has happend and told us they were not going to devulge any information until the time is right. If ya got a problem with the way they run things, theres a little x in the corner of this IE window. Click that and all your problems will dissappear.

Am I happy that I can't yet play DNF? Yes and No. Why? Really if 3DRealms had released the 2001 version, everyone would have been dissappointed, you know why? Because DNF 2001 probably wasn't as good as that trailer made it seem to be. Its an awesomely edited trailer with a kicking score behind it, thats why it SEEMS so good. Games are not edited in such a manner. Im sad not to know what it looks like yet, but im glad that 3D Realms cares and continues to care about the quality of their work and are as faithful and dedicated to a project as they are. They will succeed, not just because of their experience or because of their track record with making good games... But because they do actually care and aren't just saying it. 3DR is the farthest from being "Hollywoodonian" Like other game developers, they are very down to earth and very much with what they are doing.

Bickering here on the forums about it doesn't help anyone.

Note : Im addressing all the people who do have a problem, this is a generalisation.

I echo redemer : To all the DNF team and 3DRealms in general my best whishes of a great development of a game we will all love in the end. Keep up the great work guys!

[Mr.Sociopath]

I agree with redeemer.. but it's like.. sh!t happens so.. if people wine.. well, I'm fine with it..

the sadest part is on the other side(3drealms) I think..mainly since some of the guys left the company..
somehow I can imagine what happened.. people got sick of working on the same game again and again.. with so much energy that they felt 3drealms asked too much..and then there's those people who laughed at them while they worked cause they say that the game will never be finished etc..
I really hope georges doesn't cry too much :( ;)

[Redemer]

Yeah its for both, but people go from speculating to asking and demanding information from 3D Realms when 3D Realms has gone into Blackout mode.
Sure we're all customers of 3D Realms, but they don't owe us anything, and not everything is relative. Some peopl are WRONG for what they say and do on these forums. Acting like a pompus ass (im not pointing a finger at anyone here specifically. :) ) is something that often gets people kicked off these forums. Its just a little unnerving to see the same thread a few times over and over again within a matter of a FEW days, all you have to do is go back a page and "bump" the thread with your reply if you really want to discuss something.

Also its a level of maturity. 3D Realms can't expect us to be mature about media or information, i've had to sit back and just bury my face in my hands when George or Joe says even the smallest most mundane thing in the world. Its like watching canibles go after the explorers, everyone ripping and pulling in their own direction munching on this little morsal of information. Really, DNF fans are very faithful, and dedicated, but they also have a severe attitude and maturity problem. 3D Realms owes us nothing, we're even, they've apoligised, told us what has happend and told us they were not going to devulge any information until the time is right. If ya got a problem with the way they run things, theres a little x in the corner of this IE window. Click that and all your problems will dissappear.

Am I happy that I can't yet play DNF? Yes and No. Why? Really if 3DRealms had released the 2001 version, everyone would have been dissappointed, you know why? Because DNF 2001 probably wasn't as good as that trailer made it seem to be. Its an awesomely edited trailer with a kicking score behind it, thats why it SEEMS so good. Games are not edited in such a manner. Im sad not to know what it looks like yet, but im glad that 3D Realms cares and continues to care about the quality of their work and are as faithful and dedicated to a project as they are. They will succeed, not just because of their experience or because of their track record with making good games... But because they do actually care and aren't just saying it. 3DR is the farthest from being "Hollywoodonian" Like other game developers, they are very down to earth and very much with what they are doing.

Bickering here on the forums about it doesn't help anyone.

Note : Im addressing all the people who do have a problem, this is a generalisation.

I echo redemer : To all the DNF team and 3DRealms in general my best whishes of a great development of a game we will all love in the end. Keep up the great work guys!

Couldn't agree more!:cool:

[Geo-King]

I have been following this forum for atleast 7 years ever since i heard about DNF. I am a big duke fan ever since DN3D and have waited patiently for DNF to be released and never really cared about the delays and all the drama that always surrounded this game. All this to say that i totally support all decisions made by 3DRealms in regards to this game. All i have seen and heard all these years are silly jokes and lack of confidence and support by the so called "fans" of the game and general press and i seriouly think people should STFU and let these guys work. More then ever they need our support and confidence, what people must understand is that these guys could have just cancelled this game and be done with it period, but instead they keept pushing it foward even if at some stages everything seemed to be agaisnt them. Lets not loose hope, they will come through on their promisse of giving us fans a new and fun game experience with DNF. Don't expect the best damn game in the history of gaming because you will probably be disapointed, but be sure they will deliver on their promisse of a fun inovative game. To all the DNF team and 3DRealms in general my best whishes of a great development of a game we will all love in the end. Keep up the great work guys!


OHHH YAAA!

Some people just like to say mean things. I dont know way but they will see, THEY will all see. Ill stop there. :censored: MuHahahahhahhah!!!!!!!!!

[Denz]

DNF takes long because they like to make quality memorable games. Like DN3D. They could have spawned the realeses, making episodes, and stuff like that if they were like EA. But they care of quality. Maybe too much, because of all the restart. They should have released the game with limited tech, and they would have made an even better game after this. I'm sure the amount of interactivity in the 2001 DNF game is beyond some of the 2002 2003 games. That would have been good.

[Commando Nukem]

DNF takes long because they like to make quality memorable games. Like DN3D. They could have spawned the realeses, making episodes, and stuff like that if they were like EA. But they care of quality. Maybe too much, because of all the restart. They should have released the game with limited tech, and they would have made an even better game after this. I'm sure the amount of interactivity in the 2001 DNF game is beyond some of the 2002 2003 games. That would have been good.

Im sure DNF 2001 was probably better then Half-Life one in what was in the package, but I very much doubt it was surpassing games that had not yet been released, not as much as say DN3D has and in a few ways continues to.

[dark_angel]

Welcome to the forums Redemer.:)

[Zarniwoop]

Occam's Razor.

[Redemer]

Welcome to the forums Redemer.:)

Thanks man, good to be here!:cool: