500000 PS3s only...for launch! [Archive]

Twin

09-06-2006, 06:45 AM

doesn't bother me much, it's not like i'm going to get one yet anyway...i'll wait until a price drop before i buy mine...

personally the low stock could work in sony's favour (again) as for casual gamers it'll just show how popular the ps3 is since it'll be sold out everywhere...because it's not like they're going to know that they only shipped 500,000...all they're going to see is 'PS3 SOLD OUT!' and then it'll be like 'man i GOTTO get mine now'

Scream

09-06-2006, 08:12 AM

All good news for MS.

Damien_Azreal

09-06-2006, 08:46 AM

^^^ No, great news for the Wii. :p Sony just keeps screwing themselves, they are so cocky and overconfident of themselves. In a way it's really sad.

Scream

09-06-2006, 09:37 AM

I really think that Nintendo is in a different market-space than the other two, and not so much in competition with them. Nintendo is focussed on video games, whereas MS and Sony are concerned with securing their spots as leaders in areas like content delivery. I think that the Wii will be the only pure old-style gaming console of this generation.

Damien_Azreal

09-06-2006, 09:46 AM

True, but to me, Nintendo is the only company doing it right. These are gaming consoles... their main focus should be about the games.

Sony and Microsoft are loosing focus of that.

alpha400

09-06-2006, 10:02 AM

oh well, I really wasn't biased against sony...
I used to have a LOT of sony products...

but no PS3 in europe 'til march ????:mad:

Glad i'm picked up a 360, cause I see that sony really doesn't care about the
european market...

I hope their Blu-Ray doesn't win this fight!

and hopefully nintendo won't let us down...

Scream

09-06-2006, 10:28 AM

True, but to me, Nintendo is the only company doing it right. These are gaming consoles... their main focus should be about the games.

Sony and Microsoft are loosing focus of that.

That's assuming they agree with you that the main focus should be on the games, which they don't. Their focus is on pushing formats for content delivery, positioning themselves for the next round AFTER HD-DVD in which there will be no little round discs anymore as everything will be coming across the wire in digital format. If you think about so many of Sony's product offerings currently, you can see why this is so critical to them. Microsoft on the other hand has a huge leg up on the network side of things, and plans to leverage that to gain a controlling hand on where you're getting your media (music, movies, games, TV etc) from. Games are just one small part for them, and simply provide the leverage for much larger long-term plans.

Nintendo's focus is still on the games, and satisfying a more niche market, which in my opinion will continue to work for them, but leave them separate from the other two. Nothing wrong from either angle necessarily, they're just focussing on different things. I can see myself adding a Wii to my 360. Sony has the most to lose here IMO.

Duoae

09-06-2006, 10:28 AM

Why is europe f*cked no matter what we do? It's like they (companies) don't appreciate sales over here or something.

I mean, sure, we have the advantage of getting most of our PC games on DVD... but really, i hate having to wait months for games releases. At least films are coming out over here faster now.... but then i don't bother buying many as it is...

ShadeEX

09-06-2006, 10:31 AM

Im getting a Wii first anyway.. so it dosn't bother me much

EDIT: But i also agree with Duoaes Post ^^
its ritating that europe always drawes the short straw..

alpha400

09-06-2006, 11:06 AM

yep, and what about those who preordered one?

I was to lazy to preorder one, which now turns out to be the right
decision...:mryuck:

and when all 500k units are sold out, they're going to hype this
with news like: "omg! were completely sold off, the demand was to big:doh: !!"

Damien_Azreal

09-06-2006, 11:12 AM

And then they'll make more, add something really stupid and up the price. :p

I agree completely with you Scream. They are both going in different directions, and both can work if done properly.
But I honestly think (while it may not be able to compete graphically and online) the Wii is going to reallu surprise a lot of people. And that Microsoft and Sony are underestimating Nintendo.

Scream

09-06-2006, 11:22 AM

Honestly, I can't really imagine how this is going to play out. Microsoft has the network advantage, but Sony has the advantage of being a much larger producer and distributor of content currently (I'm talking movies and music, not games here). As an example, exactly how the HD-DVD proponents are going to get Sony Pictures to release versions for their format is beyond me, but there will be some interesting times coming as this generation's format war gets sorted out. It's a crucial one for both sides obviously, as who wins this round will pretty much be able to dictate how the next round goes as far as content delivery, and it will be the first time that everything (music, movies, games and TV) will be accessible through a single delivery medium (broadband Internet). I don't know if I'd call it exciting, but it's definitely interesting. I wrote a paper in university on digital convergence and how it was the wave of the future. That was back around 1989. I'm finally seeing some of that promise coming to fruition.

Anyway, as far as games go, I think Nintendo has a very good future. Nobody is really working in exactly the same market-space as them. If they can keep the cost of the hardware low and continue to release good product, I personally think they're going to be around doing what they do for a long time.

Assault

09-06-2006, 11:23 AM

Buying a new console in the first year is a bad idea unless you don't have problem with the money at all. There are always bugs found and there is always some "fixed" version the next year, which you can find sometimes a little cheaper AND there are way more games out.
It's like moving a new OS on the first year.

I have read nothing but crap about the PS3 the last year.

Well placed http://forums.3drealms.com/vb/images/icons/icon14.gif

8IronBob

09-06-2006, 11:28 AM

Im getting a Wii first anyway.. so it dosn't bother me much

EDIT: But i also agree with Duoaes Post ^^
its ritating that europe always drawes the short straw..

Makes me wonder how many Wiis Nintendo will have at launch. I mean, Nintendo's the company that wants to avoid a sellout, unlike their counterparts in MS and/or Sony. I thought that the big N was supposed to announce the official stuff around this time, weren't they?

avatar_58

09-06-2006, 11:31 AM

Why does anyone really care? Everyone for the past year or so has stated they don't think the PS3 is worth it and won't be getting one, so why give a rats ass when Sony produces less? If everyone spoke the truth and aren't hypocritical whiners then this amount should be enough.

FireFly

09-06-2006, 11:46 AM

Vocal forum members don't constitute "everyone". Besides, plenty of people have said they plan on getting a PS3, and it generally puts up a strong showing in polls.

And in fact, the success of the PS3 will affect the success of the industry as a whole, so these sorts of stories are relevant to people on both sides of the fence.

Scream

09-06-2006, 12:04 PM

On top of this latest announcement, it also appears that anyone wanting to take advantage of the PS3's HD capabilities will need to supply their own cable to connect it to their TV, as Sony isn't shipping one with either version of it's console...

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6157113.html

Kristian Joensen

09-06-2006, 01:15 PM

SyntaxN

09-06-2006, 01:30 PM

Why is there all this hatred against Sony ? What in the world have they done ? Slaugthered everybodies parents, kids, siblings and extended family, sold the bodies and given the proceeds to Al-Qaeda ?

Edit
There is a VERY clear anti-Sony bias on this and other sides. 100% of time Sony in general and the PS3 in particular are mentioned in a bad light, only in a bad ligth NEVER in good light. Everything is spinned as far against Sony as is humanly possible.

Sony is portraied in a unversally and consistently bad light, all the while Microsoft and especially Nintendo are hailed beyond the skies.
It wasn´t always like that, especially in 2005 MS was bashed even more than Sony today. The problem why there is so much hate for Sony right now could be called "overpromising" by the company ;)
In fact there are much better reasons to bash Sony than to bash MS or Nintendo atm...

LeadBullet

09-06-2006, 01:35 PM

Why is there all this hatred against Sony ?

They got to be #1, so they're the enemy of techno-fairies all over the internet now. Last round Microsoft *was* going to be until they failed to get to first place, so that means they're cool. But change the discussion to Operating Systems and Microsoft is the devil again. That and theres been a few instances of some dumb PR people saying their usual dumb things.

The fun thing is most people don't care what some small cluster of high pitched voices happen to scream, and those voices don't represent anywhere near the majority of what the marketplace really things. Otherwise we'd all be using Linux, AMD would be #1, and the Simpsons would still be funny.

Kristian Joensen

09-06-2006, 01:36 PM

Ehhm, what ? Overpromising ? The PS3 hasn't been released yet, so you can't complain about overpromising.

Drazula

09-06-2006, 01:53 PM

You have to be a complete nitwit to pay $600 for a game console. That's ridiculous, and it doesn't even come with all the cables. :doh:

crunchy superman

09-06-2006, 01:57 PM

You have to be a complete nitwit to pay $600 for a game console.

Therefore it will likely be very successful.

Hudson

09-06-2006, 02:02 PM

Why is there all this hatred against Sony ? What in the world have they done?

It's called bandwagon jumping, it's currently "cool" to hate Sony, just like it has always been "cool" to hate Microsoft.

It happens every new generation of technology, however console fanboys can at times be the worst.. opting to worship the ground companies walk on.

It's all very, very amusing :D

Odin

09-06-2006, 02:10 PM

Why is there all this hatred against Sony ? What in the world have they done ? Slaugthered everybodies parents, kids, siblings and extended family, sold the bodies and given the proceeds to Al-Qaeda ?

Edit
There is a VERY clear anti-Sony bias on this and other sides. 100% of time Sony in general and the PS3 in particular are mentioned in a bad light, only in a bad ligth NEVER in good light. Everything is spinned as far against Sony as is humanly possible.

Sony is portraied in a unversally and consistently bad light, all the while Microsoft and especially Nintendo are hailed beyond the skies.

There's no anti-sony bias. Sony's just ****ing up majorly.

Hyperactive Slob

09-06-2006, 02:11 PM

It's called bandwagon jumping, it's currently "cool" to hate Sony, just like it has always been "cool" to hate Microsoft.
QFT. By the way when the ps3 is released I'll make a nice profit by buying 5 of them and selling 4 of them on ebay for a healthy sum.:p

Phayzon

09-06-2006, 02:14 PM

500,000 shouldnt be that bad, nobody (almost, except for the 'hardcore') will buy one anyway... :) :p

Glad i'm picked up a 360, cause I see that sony really doesn't care.

Fixed :D

Dave-ros

09-06-2006, 03:06 PM

Seems to me everyone's saying they still want a PS3, they just think Sony's really screwing up its marketing and is charging too much, using cheap tricks like underproduction and giving the finger to its European fans. And the "no-one cares about a rootkit" thing didn't help either ;)

Having said that, surely Nintendo must have screwed up their PR somewhere recently, or Microsoft made a stupid business decision? Let's get some balance here, eh?

Scream

09-06-2006, 03:36 PM

It happens every new generation of technology, however console fanboys can at times be the worst.. opting to worship the ground companies walk on.

Ya, because I've never seen an irrational debate regarding ATI vs. Nvidia, AMD vs. Intel, or Windows vs. Linux. The PC community has no fanboys at all. ;)

Scream

09-06-2006, 03:50 PM

You have to be a complete nitwit to pay $600 for a game console. That's ridiculous, and it doesn't even come with all the cables. :doh:

People pay that much or close to it for just a video card for their PC to play the latest games with, getting far less than what you get packaged up in a tidy little console. I wouldn't do it, but I don't consider them "nitwits". I mean really, we're talking about video games here for God's sake. Anything you put into them at all is basically wasted money (or into any other form of entertainment). Value for money varies from person to person.

That having been said, I think Sony is going to have a hard sell at the price-point they've set, seeing as they're not going to be able to show the average person that they're giving them more than the competition is, and they're still charging considerably more. I own a PS2, but I won't be jumping on the Sony train again anytime soon at that price.

0marTheZealot

09-06-2006, 03:51 PM

Hell, I'm a big ****en PS/PS2 (have over 50 games for that PS1 and probably 50-75 for PS2) fanboy, and I'm not getting a PS3. No good games at launch, too expensive and PS2 still has massive support. I'll get a PS3 when there's good games on it and when it won't cost me a significant fraction of my monthly income.

seregrail7

09-06-2006, 03:58 PM

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/8574/launch2793224pc4.jpg

Hudson

09-06-2006, 04:10 PM

Ya, because I've never seen an irrational debate regarding ATI vs. Nvidia, AMD vs. Intel, or Windows vs. Linux. The PC community has no fanboys at all. ;)

I never said they didn't, however I have never in my life seen a retort in a hardware discussion that read "L4wl n00b."

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/8574/launch2793224pc4.jpg

That's so saturated with wit, you just may drown in it.

FireFly

09-06-2006, 04:14 PM

I never said they didn't, however I have never in my life seen a retort in a hardware discussion that read "L4wl n00b."
You need to hang out on the Steampowered forums more often.

Hudson

09-06-2006, 04:15 PM

Or Gamefaqs

dudetheman19

09-06-2006, 04:27 PM

as expected

Duoae

09-06-2006, 04:39 PM

There is a VERY clear anti-Sony bias on this and other sides. 100% of time Sony in general and the PS3 in particular are mentioned in a bad light, only in a bad ligth NEVER in good light. Everything is spinned as far against Sony as is humanly possible.

Sony is portraied in a unversally and consistently bad light, all the while Microsoft and especially Nintendo are hailed beyond the skies.

Kristian, it's the follow-on miss-steps... the outright lies... the copying.... the testicle waving arrogance... the continual abusal of their customers.

Many companies have problems and lie and do all the stuff i listed above... just not normally in continual succession of events. In my memory only three companies have acted like they are king in every respect, lied and abused customers faith in the company: Microsoft, Apple and SONY.

All three draw great hate from the general tech and consumer arenas. All three continue to put out questionable products and lie about performance, release dates, availability and other stuff. And most amazingly all three still do very well commercially, though since the PS3 was announced SONY has been f*cking up more than usual and they are actually in some financial trouble. No company can continue to do what they do..... but they keep doing it. Believe me, no hate is ever entirely unjustified.

As for the price of the PS3. If you consider that most HD-DVD and Blu-ray drives are going to be £200 or so £450 isn't bad for a console added onto a disc drive. I personally won't be buying a PS3... but what annoys me anyway as i pointed out in my last post, why the heck does europe get shafted EVERY SINGLE TIME!

I can see it happening with the Wii too...

Dave-ros

09-06-2006, 04:51 PM

So why is Europe's launch being held back? Wouldn't be the hope that disgruntled Europeans will spend loadsamoney importing some of that limited supply of American PS3s, thereby making the Stateside supply go even faster and giving even more of an appearance of a "sold out" uber-console?

Or is it just that Japan invented it and America's the most important country in the world, so everyone else can just damn well wait until after Xmas :tinyted: :p

Odin

09-06-2006, 04:55 PM

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/8574/launch2793224pc4.jpg

Winner winner chicken dinner.

Orochi Avlis

09-06-2006, 05:03 PM

Sony is portraied in a unversally and consistently bad light, all the while Microsoft and especially Nintendo are hailed beyond the skies.
MS was bashed for the 400 price tag and it's lack of units tactic.
Nintendo was bashed for having a "weaker" console as well as the name.
It's just Sony's turn in the limelight.

Ehhm, what ? Overpromising ? The PS3 hasn't been released yet, so you can't complain about overpromising.
Your kidding, right?
'PS3 will kill PC gaming' ring any bells? We have yet to see anything so "revolutionary". You would think they would show something so awe inspiring.

You have to be a complete nitwit to pay $600 for a game console. That's ridiculous, and it doesn't even come with all the cables.
Well, they figured that if you have a HD TV already, you must have the cable.
Besides, if you have both a PS3 and a HDTV, I think 40 bucks isn't going to be a factor.

Apparently the first wave of games aren't going to run at 1080p, but either 1080i or 780p.

Duoae

09-06-2006, 05:03 PM

Actually that picture should show the V-sign ;)

Geir

09-06-2006, 05:40 PM

I don't understand how they could compete in this condition, but they probably will. I, as a future customer, will lose fate with more of these stupid attempts at whatever they are doing.

Paroxysm

09-06-2006, 06:05 PM

Sony is getting bashed ruthlessly this time because they're doing everything possible to get bashed. Their attitude and what seems to plain contempt for their customers "We will tell you what you want and you will like it!!". Lies upon lies on hardware and performance. Broken promises out the wazoo and a focuss on trying to position their entire company as the market leaders for tommorow insteed of just focussing on games. People don't really want to pay huge ammounts of money for the benifit of a company when it offers little for them.

The PS3 is a make or break deal for sony. If their blur ray trojan horse doesn't take off like they want they are screwed.

Of course I hated Sony before it was cool... :p

I thought that the big N was supposed to announce the official stuff around this time, weren't they?

On the 14th apparently

Hudson

09-06-2006, 06:27 PM

The PS3 is a make or break deal for sony. If their blur ray trojan horse doesn't take off like they want they are screwed.

Oh I agree completely.

Odin

09-06-2006, 08:42 PM

On the 14th apparently

Some people have stopped speculating on the release date and have started speculating on the release date of the release date.

Paroxysm

09-06-2006, 09:44 PM

It's been that for a while :P Nintendo is frustrating the **** out of us but at least all the dissapointments so far have been due to our speculation not anything they've said :P

Destroyer

09-06-2006, 11:38 PM

100K is low for Japan.

Dr. Kill

09-06-2006, 11:45 PM

Nice one Sony. :rolleyes:

IHerman

09-07-2006, 01:06 AM

Well I don't hate Sony, but it's getting rather pathetic now.

Personally I never bought a console, and don't really plan to get one, although the Wii looks extremely cool. It's just everything I read about the PS3.

There's nothing wrong with the ps, ps2 and psp, but now they seem to have aimed way too high, going with a technology that might not even make it as mainstream, with a console they've been announcing as a supercomputer with HD capabilities, and since then they've been downpimping it to prevent further delays, while Microsoft is already selling 360's and Nintendo has been announcing new features ever month.

seregrail7

09-07-2006, 02:37 AM

I just hope that come March they'll have a lot more for the European launch.

Duoae

09-07-2006, 03:39 AM

I just hope that come March they'll have a lot more for the European launch.

Not likely, more probable is that the european shipment will get cancelled and sent to the US and Japan as people clamor for it while businesses who ship the PS3 over to europe will get cease and desist orders from SONY....

Assault

09-07-2006, 04:11 AM

Sony's Playstation was the first console I had and I can hardly say anything bad about it.

When MS got into the console fight, everyone was bashing them "Look how big that sh*t is!" "Those controllers are for gorilla hands" and basically, as stupid as those remarks sounded, there was no end for the hatred towards MS coming into the console market.

Eventually, Xbox turned out to be a very good console. So as Sony is doing all kinds of really stupid and ignorant crap, if the eventually will deliver a good console (Which I bet the will), all this crap against them would fade... just like MS.

I wish I could get a PS3 and sell it on ebay for twice the price.

seregrail7

09-07-2006, 04:58 AM

There's going to be a lot of dissapointed kids come Christmas over here, anyway. A shop in town already had 25 pre-orders, all of them were going to be presents from Santa.

Foxy

09-07-2006, 04:59 AM

Echoing what's already been said above, Sony is ****ed. Getting an XBox 360 over a PS3 for Christmas was always an obvious choice, and now it's the ONLY choice. They've got no killer app and next to nobody will have a console. Guess where all the 3rd party devs are going to go? To the two consoles with good marketshare.

Thewho

09-07-2006, 07:30 AM

I never really understood all this Sony hate either. I can understand hatred for Microsoft because for most purposes you're forced to use their products whether you like it or not, but if you don't like Sony you're not forced to buy their products. If you don't like Sony don't buy from them it's as simple as that. It's wierd if you ask me.

Kristian, it's the follow-on miss-steps... the outright lies... the copying.... the testicle waving arrogance... the continual abusal of their customers.

I see comments like this all the time but how are Sony actually "continually abusing" their customers?

Duoae

09-07-2006, 08:56 AM

Abusing of the faith of their customers. Perhaps i should have gone back and edited. I realised i only put that part in the second time i used that "blame". Basically it relates a lot to the lies about product release, game/graphical ability etc...

MAT

09-07-2006, 10:16 AM

http://www.thisiswaiting.com/b3.jpg

alpha400

09-07-2006, 10:34 AM

I see comments like this all the time but how are Sony actually "continually abusing" their customers?

thats easy, they tell you that you will have your ps3 on nov.17 if you preorder now and give them 50bucks. so they took your money and then cancel the delivery to europe. So the global launch was a big fat lie!

and now imagine what they're doing with the money right now;)
they took millions out of the preordering!:mad: :brickwall:

edit:
www.thisiswaiting.com [/IMG]
great finding, mat! :-) love this site!!!!

Thewho

09-07-2006, 11:47 AM

thats easy, they tell you that you will have your ps3 on nov.17 if you preorder now and give them 50bucks. so they took your money and then cancel the delivery to europe. So the global launch was a big fat lie!
and now imagine what they're doing with the money right now
they took millions out of the preordering

Well, Sony doesn't actually take the money for pre-ordering. It's the retailers who take the money, so they can gauge how many units they need to bring in to fulfill all the pre-orders.

Duoae

09-07-2006, 05:46 PM

That's why when i preorder i always do so with shops that don't take any money for preordering.... i always thought it was a stupid practice...

alpha400

09-22-2006, 04:53 AM

finally the ps3 gets cheaper...:D

source (http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=4268&ref=y)

but only for japan, nothing changed in Europe or US...:(
seems like they're under pressure;)

Thewho

09-22-2006, 04:56 AM

Good news is that the 20Gb lower-end model has HDMI output now as well, and it's been confirmed for all territories.

alpha400

09-22-2006, 01:34 PM

Good news is that the 20Gb lower-end model has HDMI output now as well, and it's been confirmed for all territories.

This seems like some strange marketing from sony...
First tell 'em the cheaper one is crap, then punch the hdmi in the lower model...
Now you're no longer "forced" to buy the expensive one...

really, they have planed this all the time, just to have some good news before
launching...

avatar_58

09-22-2006, 02:04 PM

Well this way people think they are getting a deal. Lower the price, throw in some additions and suddenly people believe its worth the price tag. Despite the fact that it hasn't been released so the price/features were never final to begin with.

Its a good tactic.

shiranui

09-24-2006, 10:56 PM

Played a few PS3 games on Sunday.
All I can say is: Devil May Cry 4 alone may be worth the price of admission.
RESISTANCE FALL OF MAN was pretty impressive too.

The playable games at the show made for an impressive initial line-up, but I'm not sure how many of those will be launch titles.

Assault

09-25-2006, 02:35 AM

The Playstation 3 impressed me for the first time since it was announced. It's graphics seem just a bit above the Xbox360 and it seems to have a few good games. However, 600$ is not worth it at all, not to mention games might cost 70$ and above.

It's quite an investment and it still doesn't seem to offer something extraordinary that Xbox360 and Nintendo Wii wont.

With that said, Sony at least showed some good things at TGS.