Brace for the Next Anti-gaming Wave

[akula65]

Montreal Shooter was a gamer (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060914/ap_on_re_ca/canada_college_shooting)

Sad.

[Mountain Man]

Yes, because we all know that video games can turn an otherwise well-adjusted individual into a homicidal maniac. :rolleyes:

The thing anti-video game pundits never stop to consider is that some individuals are drawn to violent video because they are homicidal maniacs.

[LeadBullet]

Yes, lets all make with the angry\rolleye faces and defensive game comments.

btw jak thompsin sux lol

[Kristian Joensen]

He played games, so what ? I bet he did a bunch of other stuff aswell, like breath so does breathing cause you to kill people ?

[Dr. Kill]

Sick and tired of this bull****. I play "violent" games all the time, and I never killed anyone. And I have a short fuse. These people are just a bunch of pussies, imho! :rolleyes:

[LeadBullet]

Maybe there will be a backlask against myspace as well given that some of the things quoted from his blog points to him being emo as well:

Anger and hatred simmers within me

[SyntaxN]

And once again the media tries to hide their incompetence and lack of knowledge about gaming with teh stuff the public wants to hear right now. Huge following guaranted :mryuck:

[Berntsen]

I can't wait to hear Jack Thompson's response to this. :)

[Karthik]

Yep, and the first people to fall for "video games kill people" are those who DON'T play video games.

[jimbob]

wel then, lets make a list of people who killed and didnt! play videogames, should be interesting :p

[Wamplet]

Wow, this guy really must have sucked like hell in his games.

A leet FPS gamer would have gone for chest and head shots and finished them off to make sure the people couldnt respawn.

I can see plenty of "gg noob" comments being said to him, when he played Halo and Postal Multiplayer.

[Assault]

...like breath...

I don't think you have the evidence to prove that, so that wont be valid in court. Sorry, you can't know if he ever breathed in his life.

[Joe Siegler]

Montreal Shooter was a gamer (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060914/ap_on_re_ca/canada_college_shooting)

Sad.

I think after Columbine, the effect of videogames in a shooting rampage has been lessened. Not to say the events shouldnt' be taken seriously, but unless someone blows up a school Al-Qaida style, and leaves a video confession saying "It's totally up to videogames - I blame nothing else"...

I doubt there can be much more said on the "shoot people up, blame games" angle, although I'm sure people will try.

[Drazula]

Video games do not create killers. Bad parents create killers. PERIOD!

[Joe Siegler]

Montreal Shooter was a gamer (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060914/ap_on_re_ca/canada_college_shooting)

Sad.

Video games do not create killers. Bad parents create killers. PERIOD!

It's never as black and white as that; you should know better.

[Tang Lung]

Ghengis Kahn liked to indulge in the odd session of GTA (the original, he wasnt around when 3 came out lol). A few reports have also suggested that Hitler listened to Maralyn Manson.

The article said he posed pics on something called vampire feaks.com or something. Why are we not blaming Bram Stoker for all this?. Oh wait, I remember..it's because he's dead, and you can't really get money out of a dead person (don't worry, they've tried).

[Wamplet]

and you can't really get money out of a dead person (don't worry, they've tried).

If they still have an estate, you can try.

Also, if they were buried with gold or jewelry you can dig that up. :o

[ishak540m]

Yeah but the video game they claim he was playing "'Super Columbine Massacre,' an Internet-based computer game that simulates the April 20, 1999, shootings at the Colorado high school by two students who killed 13 people and then themselves."

If someone is playing something like that, they have issues.

[Tang Lung]

Also, if they were buried with gold or jewelry you can dig that up. :o

Moral guardians and lawyers like Jack Tompson wouldn't dare try and dig up Bram Stoker. It would be like a Christian disrespecting God.

Yeah but the video game they claim he was playing "'Super Columbine Massacre,' an Internet-based computer game that simulates the April 20, 1999, shootings at the Colorado high school by two students who killed 13 people and then themselves."

They still class it as a video game, therefore all video games are evil. Kind of like how Cannibal Holocaust is pretty much the same movie as The Shawshank Redemption.

[Kev_Boy]

Yeah but the video game they claim he was playing "'Super Columbine Massacre,' an Internet-based computer game that simulates the April 20, 1999, shootings at the Colorado high school by two students who killed 13 people and then themselves."

If someone is playing something like that, they have issues.


Not really, just human curiosity.
When they decide to act it out, they have issues.

[Danule]

he should have chose to shoot up some hells angels instead, at least it would have done some good.

[Phayzon]

$20 says GTA is solely(sp?) blamed for this :)

[Kronx]

I think too much is unknown.

Can a video game be a factor in psychotic behavior? In a way, yes. I don't think video games cause the behavior, but I think a person who has mental stability issues might latch on to a video game and begin to become obsessed. It happens with just about everything.

We don't blame celebrities because they have a stalker. We don't blame tin foil because someone wraps it around their head. So why blame video games because someone becomes obsessed?

Someone with mental issues is bound to blur the line between video game and reality. It happens with every medium, TV, cinema, music and so on.Hell, I'm sure that some caveman got confused by the cavewall drawings and brained his brother (Og, thought deer talk!). But the real issue here is how to maintain mental health and social connections more than anything else.

[ZuljinRaynor]

$20 says GTA is solely(sp?) blamed for this :)

Nah, the Super Columbine Massacre RPG is.
http://www.columbinegame.com/

[Wamplet]

Nah, the Super Columbine Massacre RPG is.
http://www.columbinegame.com/

Not even worth $2, let alone $20.

[Mr.Sociopath]

Video games do not create killers. Bad parents create killers. PERIOD!

personally I'd say society create killers.. but as joe say it's not black and white.. though it comes close since "society" is so wide and include a lot of bad sh!t..

[Damien_Azreal]

Wow... they just talked about this on the news here. They showed footage of that Columbine RPG, Postal 2, and GTA:SA.

These news people are so damn funny. A killer played video games... so video games made him a killer. Well, that's a bit of a hypocritical way of looking at things isn't it. I bet some killers have played football, drank beer and washed tv... better do something about that as well.
What about the millions of gamers who have never so much as hurt another person.

[Karthik]

"There were never any friends," Louise Leykauf said. "He kept to himself. He always wore dark clothing."
So he was an introvet.

[Phayzon]

What about the millions of gamers who have never so much as hurt another person.

Most of us could probably get our asses kicked by a 4th grader! :o (Im not one of them)

[Jiminator]

does playing violent video games make you kill people?
does viewing porn make you rape people?
does waiting for DNF make you do strange things with small animals?

all of these arguments are stoopid. people are what they are. they do things
they enjoy doing. i don't believe that seeing something makes you want it. It is the other way around. Murder and violence have always played a huge part of life before video games and pron existed.

It is part of mans nature to kill other man, for what ever reason. complain about war all you like, but we enjoy it.

[Nessus]

I love how video gaming is a ten billion dollar industry and yet the press still treats it like some kind of counter culture thing when these incidents happen. A good portion of every male under 30 is a gamer.

[avatar_58]

"He is not a people person. He has met a handful of people in his life who are decent. But he finds the vast majority to be worthless, no good, conniving, betraying, lying, deceptive."

*shiver* My life in a nutshell. The difference is that I refuse to take the cowards way out. Life can't suck forever, eventually it balances out. ;) Shame he wasn't as clear headed.

[shiranui]

I hear that most rapists like pr0n.

[NetNessie]

Video games do not create killers. Bad parents create killers. PERIOD!

Periods create killers? :p

What is scary is that a lot of people from vampirefreaks.com used to hotlink images from my old website to decorate their own. I wonder if his blog did the same. :insomnia:

[Tang Lung]

does playing violent video games make you kill people?
does viewing porn make you rape people?
does waiting for DNF make you do strange things with small animals?


If any of those are true then that makes me Ed Gein :insomnia:

[Jiminator]

I hear that most rapists like pr0n.

yes, and 100% of them have been known to drink water at one time or another....

[Needle]

I love how video gaming is a ten billion dollar industry and yet the press still treats it like some kind of counter culture thing when these incidents happen. A good portion of every male under 30 is a gamer.
It's hardly in the interest of the traditional media to support video games or the internet. They are their biggest competitors.

Besides, it's been "common knowledge" for quite a while that video games are filthy and unhealthy and mainly for children. No one wants to be the first to officially change his mind about them after years of treating them like some kind of crack laced candy. They'll rather play safe and keep telling people what they already know: videogames bad.

[Hudson]

I still say the reasons for these shootings are not games, and it's not entirely the parents.. it's the social structure of the school system.

Kids are mean bastards, they segregate everyone possible and relentlessly pick on and harass specific individuals until they eventually snap and take out half the school.

There is only so much ridicule a person can take before they hit the breaking point.

If you want to blame any media it should be rap music. I'm sorry but having pre-teens listening to "music" explaining how cool and respectable it is to sell drugs, beat women and kill police officers is just not a good thing.

[gamejunkie]

I still say the reasons for these shootings are not games, and it's not entirely the parents.. it's the social structure of the school system.

Kids are mean bastards, they segregate everyone possible and relentlessly pick on and harass specific individuals until they eventually snap and take out half the school.

There is only so much ridicule a person can take before they hit the breaking point.

You hit the nail right on the head o/

[Zixinus]

If video games created homocidal maniacs, then the USA, alot of countries in Europe, a good partion of Japan, a good partion of China would be a warzone between video game players and those who don't play video games.

In case someone in the media bothered to notice, people gone on homocidal rampages BEFORE VIDEO GAMES WERE EVEN INVENTED!

And if anybody would dare to read the whole article, the guy was gonig nuts anyhow. Video games or not.

Also, from tales I hear, High School is a place where one can lose it pretty fast. Not everybody can bare being humiliated and maid fun of by arrogent jerks and not snap.

[Odin]

Yeah but the video game they claim he was playing "'Super Columbine Massacre,' an Internet-based computer game that simulates the April 20, 1999, shootings at the Colorado high school by two students who killed 13 people and then themselves."

torrent plz


I still say the reasons for these shootings are not games, and it's not entirely the parents.. it's the social structure of the school system.

Kids are mean bastards, they segregate everyone possible and relentlessly pick on and harass specific individuals until they eventually snap and take out half the school.

There is only so much ridicule a person can take before they hit the breaking point.

If you want to blame any media it should be rap music. I'm sorry but having pre-teens listening to "music" explaining how cool and respectable it is to sell drugs, beat women and kill police officers is just not a good thing.

winner winner chicken dinner

[Orochi Avlis]

If video games created homocidal maniacs, then the USA, alot of countries in Europe, a good partion of Japan, a good partion of China would be a warzone between video game players and those who don't play video games.

In case someone in the media bothered to notice, people gone on homocidal rampages BEFORE VIDEO GAMES WERE EVEN INVENTED!

And if anybody would dare to read the whole article, the guy was gonig nuts anyhow. Video games or not.

Also, from tales I hear, High School is a place where one can lose it pretty fast. Not everybody can bare being humiliated and maid fun of by arrogent jerks and not snap.
Don't you know that you don't need facts when you can go on cheap emotions to tell the news.

And also don't you know that because it never happened to them (reporters, pundits and viewers) it has to be something else at fault because we live in such a utopian society where everybody gets along and doesn't suffer from anxiety, stress or other issues.

[Hudson]

torrent plz

You don't need a torrent:

http://www.columbinegame.com/

[Damien_Azreal]

They showed the game on the news... looks like shit.

[Babe]

I have played Quake III for more then sixteen thousand hours in my life. But never killed a frog till today. And besides seeing actual blood makes me pale and sick and feel like loosing my senses. But I still play Quake III. And absolutely love it.

Those who blame computer games for violence, have no idea about games. They like to blame everything for real life violence - violent movies, shooter games etc.

What actually makes people violent then, in my opinion, a number of reasons. The person has that inside urge to do something totally bad, bad parenting doesnt stop that, and then when he gets the right company ( wrong company for society's purpose) and the right opportunity, right resources and he/she thinks the time is right, well then they go for it. Never believe a person can be a rapist by seeing porn, or a shooter by playing computer games. Thats just lame argument. Dont think Osama ever played Quake III for even a single hour !

[Good ol' Scotty]

I didnt think that one was that bad at all, the most it did was hint that playing a game might have been one of the factors. It mentions a lot more stuff relating to him being an emo/goth and generally ****ed up.

"He was a good son" Ha! You mothers, eh?

Anywho we've always got that little chart thing thats in a lot of actual studies that shows a drop in young crime rate from 1995(or 7) to 2004 which is the time when games got cool :p

[NetNessie]

http://www.columbinegame.com/

Dear lord, they used RPG Maker for that.

[hell-angel]

He played games, so what ? I bet he did a bunch of other stuff aswell, like breath so does breathing cause you to kill people ?

Yes, because peopl that don't breath don't life so they can't kill :p

Still, sad that it's going this way again :(

[Sang]

If you want to blame any media it should be rap music. I'm sorry but having pre-teens listening to "music" explaining how cool and respectable it is to sell drugs, beat women and kill police officers is just not a good thing.

Isn't Postal 2 "about" this as well?

Besides, rap music sounds so crappy most of the time I don't think any killer will get the message before he turns it off :D

[Hudson]

Isn't Postal 2 "about" this as well?

Sure. Postal 2 is all about glorified over-the-top violence, and it's probably the most offensive game ever made.. however it's audience was limited to people with a computer capable of running it, and having to buy the game. Rap music is very easily downloaded via P2P and broadcast on radio stations all across the world.

Also, impressional (mainly black) youth usually look up to these people as idols and relate to them because they all claim to have rose from the gutter (where many youth are, or think they are) to fame and fortune.. by of course selling drugs and shooting people.

In Postal 2 you're a deranged maniac living in a fictional town in bumfxck arizona populated with the most annoying people in existance and easy access to some of the most rediculous weapons ever made.

I'm not in any way, shape, or form saying Postal 2 is incapable of impressioning people.. but Rap music has a much easier hook.

[NetNessie]

People who listen to rap don't have the intelligence to kill someone anyway.

[Damien_Azreal]

It doesn't require much intelligence shoot someone. Watch the news... you'll be amazed at how many stupid people kill someone everyday.

[Sang]

People who listen to rap don't have the intelligence to kill someone anyway.

They certainly do, they just don't have the intelligence to not get caught afterwards ;)