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Guest
01-31-2002, 04:12 PM
ok, welp this is quite probably my over active imagination. But I can't help think there's something extra and under-lying about Max Payne.

A few reasons are that it's getting made in to a movie. This seemed weird as the 'main' story (though ok as it was) was nothing special. Guys loved ones are killed, guy gets pissed, guy kills all responsible. It wouldn't be much different to every other action film. So I thought why would they bother unless there was something else to Max Payne.
Also, there's already talk of a mp2. And the cliffhanger the 1st one ended on leaves me thinking the story is going to continue in the 2nd one.

Anyways, here is what I think max payne is truely about.

As most of you will know Valkyr was originaly meant to be a steroid like adrenaline pumping drug to give to fighters so they would be god like. But apparently we find that it never worked and just wacked out the users. That was until Max Payne.

Max Payne was the first success. He found out in the labs that the tests were being done in his area. Not on junkies. But him himself. And it was the first success. This people, is why there is the bullet dodge. This is why all max needs is pain killers. No medkits for him. The slow-motion stuff aint just a cool trick. It's a piece of the plot, showing that he is hyped up on a drug that gives him abilities no one else has.

But his wife found out that he was doing this so she had to be killed. We hear in the dreams her saying "I'm sorry max, I didn't mean to!" She's saying this because she stumbled on his secret and is going to be killed. He is ordered to by the boss woman. And she dies along with his baby.

See I don't think max actually knows this is being done to him. But after this it was too strong and started creeping in to his mind and he gets mad, he knows somehow Valkyr is the cause so he goes after him. His friend in the subway was about to tell him the truth I think. About Max himself. But he never got the chance.

When max is pumped full of Valkyr I think maybe it's rather an antidote type thing. They were trying to bring him off Valkyr because he was getting so strong. So in this state he was like a junky needing a fix, but was also closer then a sane mind before, and images of what really happened come in to his mind; his wife screaming at him, and he even shoots himself, showing that he's realising what really happened.

Now Mona. I believe mona was a 2nd succesful subject just like Max. That's why they started to team up. Also near the end when she gets shot and supposedly killed, max comes back to find her gone. And he says something like "It all became clear" this is where he really understands the truth. Mona was Valkyr which is why she didn't die, she quickly healed enough to be able to get away. Max now realises he's the same and that he killed his wife. At the end he just gives up and gets caught. Becuase he knows now that he killed his wife and he wants to be punished for it. He has nothing else to live for.

Also this is why Max has that crazed smile on his face all the time. He's doped up.

Anyways that's my rant. And I'm probably totally wrong. But that story woulda been so cool if it really was like that! It reminded me of Bladerunner. Where he's hunting cyborg things and throughout the movie it's hinted that he's one of them himself but no one coule tell for sure. Plots like that are the best, they leave you thinking about it ages after it. This would be awesome if max payne was really like this. Give a huge replay value to the game. And would also make a great movie images/icons/grin.gif
Hey I might be right? Don't ya think?
well it'd be a damn cool plot if it was anyway images/icons/tongue.gif

[ 01-31-2002, 04:17 PM: Message edited by: Pleutus ]

DarkShell
01-31-2002, 05:00 PM
Cool theory, but I reckon that they should have at least HINTED at it towards the end there. That is, hinted at it in a somewhat less cryptic way than what you described.

Bring on Max Paye 2 though images/icons/smile.gif I'm keen to find out what's next!

revenant100
01-31-2002, 08:17 PM
Hmm, where to begin...
Originally posted by Pleutus:
Max Payne was the first success. He found out in the labs that the tests were being done in his area. Not on junkies. But him himself. And it was the first success. This people, is why there is the bullet dodge. This is why all max needs is pain killers.No medkits for him. The slow-motion stuff aint just a cool trick. It's a piece of the plot, showing that he is hyped up on a drug that gives him abilities no one else has.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">He found the testing lab after he could do things like bullet time and use pain killers. He never used drugs before, so the whole bullet time thing is really unexplained, that's how Remedy wanted it.
But his wife found out that he was doing this so she had to be killed. We hear in the dreams her saying "I'm sorry max, I didn't mean to!" She's saying this because she stumbled on his secret and is going to be killed. He is ordered to by the boss woman. And she dies along with his baby.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">No, she found out about Valkyr, not Max ever using it. That's why Nicole Horne targeted her. The reason Max thinks he shoots her is because he feels guilty for her death. Had he not ignored her when she mentioned the memo about vikings, she would still be alive. That's why he pictured himself shooting her.
Also this is why Max has that crazed smile on his face all the time. He's doped up.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">More or less, it's because he needs some laxatives. images/icons/tongue.gif

I'm sure the story is free to all sorts of interpretations, except it has to have some limits on how far you can go. images/icons/tongue.gif

Guest
01-31-2002, 10:53 PM
hrm, I think you misunderstand.
I'm not saying that this is the real and only plot and everyone else is mistaken. I'm saying remedy might of intentionaly made it so there could be points made to each side so people could wonder "what if?"

Like I mean of course its obvious that max killing himself in the dream could be him blaming himself, and I know his wife was killed by Horne because she found out about Valkyr. But I'm saying it can be all looked on differently and it seems to fit together pretty well, which might mean it was intentional.

There's lots of things that could have 2 meanings. Another for instance is right at the start when max gets the phone call from Horne. And he says "help someones broke in my house call the police!" and she then replies "Good. I cant help you." and hangs up. If you follow the main story line I gues this would be her checking up that the thugs had done the job. But if you were thinking along my plot theory, it could be that max had just killed his wife and kid, and was meant to then errase it all from his memory through some kind of pre-mind control. And horne was ringing to check that had happened. So when he answered saying someone broke in, Horne knew he had forgotten and it had gone as planned.

I suggest people replay the game with all this in mind. It's pretty cool how many things could fit round this theory.

But anyways, I'm all in to this type of thing, ya know like Bladerunner, 6th sense, I love those kinda films where all through it there was actually a different plot line that worked along side the main one. I also see bunny rabbits and lolly pops in clouds tho images/icons/grin.gif

I'm just yet to see this kinda awesome plot in a video game. And max payne seems to be close on this. And its also going to be a movie. So perhaps this alternate plot will be revealed more in the movie. Then everyone would be like "woah! I never guessed that!" in the theatre, and run out and go play max payne again, or ones who dont have it buy it.

but if I am just ramblin (which I probably am) then please someone out there make a cool game with a wicked-plot-twist kinda thing like this. images/icons/grin.gif

p.s. About mona disapearing after she'd been shot, I can see no other reason for this other than my theory. How come max would suddenly say "It all became clear"? Other than my theory to it, I can't see any other reason behind it. If anyone can fill me in that'd be cool images/icons/smile.gif

biXen
02-01-2002, 01:22 AM
Pleutus: Now WHAT THE HELL are you talking about? images/icons/grin.gif

Xenomorph[nmtb]
02-01-2002, 03:46 AM
BLASPHEMY!