Die Hard IV

[KaiserSoze]

AKA Diehard 4

I've loved all the Diehard films and this one looks fun too:

http://playlist.yahoo.com/makeplaylist.dll?id=1534690&sdm=web&qtw=640&qth=400

Yippee Ki Yah motherf!cker! :D


Edit: Kaiser's link is not there anymore. Here's a working one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IfRb-sWuDk

[Damien_Azreal]

Nice. Actually looks really good... a must see for me. :) Thanks for posting Kaiser.

[johndough]

Looks awful to me.
I don't want some dumb kid sidekick!
The whole point of John McClane is that he is fighting off the bad guys solo.
He did have a sidekick in the last movie, but at least the sidekick was effective, adult, funny, and Sam Jackson!

[Opus131]

A kid? Sign me out already...

[FullMetalJacket]

That link is sooo not working. And I can't find the trailer on ANY other site. :doh:

[FullMetalJacket]

Working link here-- http://s46.photobucket.com/albums/f126/cdarby1/Videos/?action=view&current=31196607.flv

I donno what to make of it. The action and the visuals look great, but they seem more like something you'd expect to find in a Transporter movie. All the ducking under flying cars doesn't quite hold with the gritty, more realistic John McClane that we're used to seeing. And I REAAAAAALLY don't know about having a dumb kid sidekick, especially Justin Long of all people...

Still, I love Bruce Willis, and he's proved before that he can salvage an otherwise unremarkable film (i.e., Hostage...although Tears of the Sun was so terrible that even he couldn't save it).

[johndough]

At least the sidekick isn't Seann William Scott.

[Damien_Azreal]

If they handle it right the kid could work out well, I'm not gonna sign off on the film because of a kid with Bruce in the trailer.

John McClaine had kids, maybe he is John's son or something... who knows. There are possibilities.

[Nessus]

I have no opinion, all I can figure from that is that cars blow up and there will be shooting.

[ZuljinRaynor]

That kid reminds me of Mac from the stupid Apple ads.

Looks cool... it's more Die Hard...

I just wanna hear good 'ole Yippie Kay Yay.

[Vivi]

That is the Mac guy from the Mac ads. Justin Long.

Anyway, that trailer gaves me chills. Can't wait!

[Nacho]

He's also from Jeepers Creepers and Waiting.

I wasn't really impressed. It got me excited but...I don't know...it was missing something.

[kylemf88]

Looks like a fun popcorn flick. The die hard movies haven't actually been good since the first one but I still enjoy watching them.

[ZuljinRaynor]

"Why are you so calm!? Have you done that before!? You're a PC!"
"Well, of course PCs actually have games and most of them involve all this stuff so I'm used to it."
/Mac goes to ride spinners.

Sorry. Now that I know I had to.

[Steve]

...I don't know...it was missing something.
We needed a Yippee Ki aye mother ****er in that teaser. ;)

[FullMetalJacket]

Looks like a fun popcorn flick. The die hard movies haven't actually been good since the first one but I still enjoy watching them.

Actually, while Die Hard 2 was definitely a weak entry, I thought Die Hard with a Vengeance was one of the best action films of the 1990s, along with T2, True Lies and Leon (although you shouldn't really call that an action film).

[Kev_Hectic]

Why is everyone calling him a kid? That guy from the Mac commercials is like what? In his 30's?

And watching the teaser, it's a little hard to say weather or not it will be good. But if it ends up being at the least, as entertaining as Die Hard with a Vengeance was, then I'll be happy.

Actually, while Die Hard 2 was definitely a weak entry, I thought Die Hard with a Vengeance was one of the best action films of the 1990s, along with T2, True Lies and Leon (although you shouldn't really call that an action film).

I actually liked Die Hard 2. I didn't think it was as good as the other two, but I thought it held up well as an action movie.

[Marty]

haha it looks pretty cool, and it also looks as if its only shit blowing up and no story

[X-Vector]

Well, the image of the US flag unfurling with the "live free" tag phrase right before it suggests to me that there may be too much of a 'Story'.
Also, the plot outline at IMDB states that John McClane and his JC, erm, hacker whizkid buddy are taking on a criminal group that attempts to "take down the entire computer and technological structure that supports the economy of the United States (and the world)", which just sounds far too grandiose for my liking.

The original was simply about one man trying to survive against highly unfavourable odds in a confined environment, which gave the movie an intimate directness that the two successors lack and that seems even more absent in this trailer.

[Vivi]

Which is why I think the first one is the best. Second film was kind of lame. Third flick had a good story + kickass action, and was well portrayed as an entire film. I'm looking forward to this one. Action action action. That, mixed with Bruce Willis, is a hard thing to top.

[SyntaxN]

More Die Hard...sold :cool:
2 wasn´t as good as 1&3 but still good.

[KaiserSoze]

POSSIBLE SPOILERS BE WARNED!










The "kid" was originally supposed to be his son but apparently the part was re-written as a computer hacker who has vital information/know how about the threat in the movie.

[Marty]

i also think the title is funny...

live free or.... DIE HAAAARD!!!11

i only really like the first, didnt care much for both the sequels

[Grande 3:16]

But... but... but... McClane is completely bald and isn't wearing a singlet. :mad:

Die Hard - brilliant action movie.
Die Hard 2 - not quite as good, but still a great actioner with possibly one of the best endings ever.
Die Hard With A Vengeance - possibly my favourite movie.

I've been hoping for years that they DON'T make a Die Hard 4, mainly because I loved #3 so much I wanted it to end on a high note. That teaser kind of raised my hopes a bit though.

[Grande 3:16]

Another problem... Michael Kamen is dead, so the music won't be as good either. :(

[Assault]

It's just a teaser dammit, you can't expect to know if there is a good story or not from it. The teaser doesn't show anything we haven’t seen before, it's just here to show us that a new Die Hard is coming and there is going to be action. That's it.

[Hudson]

More Die Hard!!

I just hope they keep the humor of the series, DH:WAV had awesome chemistry between Willis and Jackson.

[Twin]

right, so after this, rocky balboa and rambo 4, Arnie can quit his job as governer and get back to movies so that sly, willis and arnie can make that all out action flick before they all friggen die! :p

[johndough]

Justin Long isn't technically a kid, but everybody is a kid to John Effin McClane.
Unless they're 40+ years old.

[ZuljinRaynor]

[QUOTE=Grande 3:16;459306]Die Hard - brilliant action movie.
Die Hard 2 - not quite as good, but still a great actioner with possibly one of the best endings ever.
Die Hard With A Vengeance - possibly my favourite movie.
QUOTE]

QFT. DH1 was fantastic. DH2 wasn't as good, it had it's good parts but it is good. People say it sucked but nah, it was good. The ending rocked. Totally one of the best endings ever... nay... the best action ending ever.

[wayskobfssae]

File removed =/

[Ruger]

Obviously the original is the best, but I'll never understand the majority consensus that 2 was mediocre and With a Vengeance rocked. 2 at least kept the same style as the first one, while I always felt 3 looked like exactly what it was: A Lethal Weapon script re-purposed into a Die Hard film. For the record, I ****ing hate the Lethal Weapon movies.

My verdict on the new teaser: Too much CG. :mryuck:

[Telee]

Looks great, apart from the stupid sidekick.

[Kalki]

This didn't seem like a Die Hard movie.

[Needle]

What the hell is everyone complaining about? Those 1.2 seconds we've seen someone who appears to be younger than 30 in that teaser trailer? The HORROR!!1

[Tang Lung]

What the hell is everyone complaining about? Those 1.2 seconds we've seen someone who appears to be younger than 30 in that teaser trailer? The HORROR!!1

Because putting anyone under 30 in an already established movie franchise reeks of executives trying to appeal to the kiddies. Otherwise, what would be the point of putting a young person in a film? Young people suck.

[X-Vector]

2 at least kept the same style as the first one, while I always felt 3 looked like exactly what it was: A Lethal Weapon script re-purposed into a Die Hard film.

I agree with that and I also feel that it's too much of a crowd pleaser (the "Oh man WTF ROFLMAO" Harlem scene is an obvious example).

In a number of ways, I'd say Die Hard 3 is to Die Hard what Terminator 2 is to the original Terminator movie.

[X-Vector]

Young people suck.

I wholeheartedly concur (and I appreciate the irony), but that Justin Long fellow has only one and a half years to go before he's one of the good guys, so I'm not quite sure if he's the obvious 'kid magnet' choice.
I mean, shouldn't they have picked a Culkin in stead?

[Grande 3:16]

while I always felt 3 looked like exactly what it was: A Lethal Weapon script re-purposed into a Die Hard film. For the record, I ****ing hate the Lethal Weapon movies.Funny thing is, I always thought Triads would make great villains for a Die Hard 4. And then they ended up using that for Lethal Weapon.

[Karthik]

Working link here-- http://s46.photobucket.com/albums/f126/cdarby1/Videos/?action=view&current=31196607.flv

I donno what to make of it. The action and the visuals look great, but they seem more like something you'd expect to find in a Transporter movie. All the ducking under flying cars doesn't quite hold with the gritty, more realistic John McClane that we're used to seeing. And I REAAAAAALLY don't know about having a dumb kid sidekick, especially Justin Long of all people...

Still, I love Bruce Willis, and he's proved before that he can salvage an otherwise unremarkable film (i.e., Hostage...although Tears of the Sun was so terrible that even he couldn't save it).
That's because it's being directed by Len Wiseman(Underworld 1 and 2). Those movies had flying cars as well.....I think. Or maybe Hollywood is trying to ripoff Bollywood movies.

[Kalki]

Bollywood movies.

Please stop doing that! :insomnia:

[Scream]

Obviously the original is the best, but I'll never understand the majority consensus that 2 was mediocre and With a Vengeance rocked. 2 at least kept the same style as the first one, while I always felt 3 looked like exactly what it was: A Lethal Weapon script re-purposed into a Die Hard film. For the record, I ****ing hate the Lethal Weapon movies.

My verdict on the new teaser: Too much CG. :mryuck:

Couldn't agree more. I liked the first 2 because they had McLane all alone in a relatively confined space (office tower and airport) kicking ass. Then they had him running all over goddam NYC in the third one. The trailer and story for this one looks like it's gonna be an expensive episode of "24" with Bruce Willis instead of Kiefer Sutherland. Not necessarily a bad thing from an action flick perspective, and Bruce Willis is basically "Bruce Willis" in every action movie he's ever been in, but I preferred the feel of the first two. It'll be worth seeing regardless.

I also agree on the too much CG. I prefer stunts.

I can remember seeing the first of these in the theatre when it was released, BEFORE Bruce Willis was a big name star. My buddy and I were amazed to see David Addison kicking the crap out of Hans and crew in the Nagatomi building. ;) It was a hell of a ride. Watching it now, what always makes me laugh was that the phone lines got cut to the building and therefore nobody had any way to communicate with the outside world. Amazing how the world has changed in that regard in such a short time...

[Karthik]

Please stop doing that! :insomnia:
Think about it. You have people fying 10 feet from the ground after a few kicks and punches. Cars go flying sky high after going up a ramp.

[theRobot]

Obviously the original is the best, but I'll never understand the majority consensus that 2 was mediocre and With a Vengeance rocked. 2 at least kept the same style as the first one, while I always felt 3 looked like exactly what it was: A Lethal Weapon script re-purposed into a Die Hard film. For the record, I ****ing hate the Lethal Weapon movies.

My verdict on the new teaser: Too much CG. :mryuck:

Cause it wasn't meant to be Die-Hard 3.. It was just a script the screenwriter was trying to get made, and the person he sent it to just seen it as Die-Hard 3.. told him to see what he could pull off.. so the majority of the screenplay was kept the same and he tacked in McClane-esque events (he's always been a fan of Die Hard).. and tied in Simon with the baddie from part one.. Ta-Da DH3:WAV... I have the Box set: 1 2 and 3 in their collectors edition form (rent it and listen to the commentary on 3).. I have another to Add now :D

[Paroxysm]

Yeah the original script was titled "Simon Says" I believe.

[Ruger]

Yes, I have heard that version of events too, that it was just a spec script not connected to any pre-existing action franchise. But I also have read that it was being developed as Lethal Weapon 4. IMDB trivia on DH:WAV mentions this. It is more of a "buddy movie" than the first two Die Hards, which is another reason why I view it as being Lethal Weapon inspired or influenced, whatever the script started out as.

[Phait]

Not much a fan of the series but it's good to see Bruce back in action.

[Damien_Azreal]

I never viewed Die Hard 3 as a "buddy movie" because of the tension between the two. It was pretty obvious for most of the film that they really hated each other at key moments.
Samuel's character didn't really warm up to John until almost the end of the film. But yeah, I would've rather had John by himself again. But anyway, DH3 is a great film.

Hopefully they'll release a nice DVD boxed set once the fourth one is released.

[Ruger]

I never viewed Die Hard 3 as a "buddy movie" because of the tension between the two. It was pretty obvious for most of the film that they really hated each other at key moments.
Samuel's character didn't really warm up to John until almost the end of the film.

But you've just described the standard buddy movie formula.

"A hard-nosed cop reluctantly teams up with a wise-cracking criminal temporarily paroled to him, in order to track down a killer." (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083511/)

"Martin Riggs is an L.A. cop with suicidal tendencies and Roger Murtaugh is the unlucky police officer with whom Riggs is assigned. Together they uncover a huge drug-smuggling operation, and as their success rate grows so does their friendship." (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093409/)

...and so on. (http://www.imdb.com/keyword/buddy-comedy/) :hhg:

[Scream]

Yes, in just about every buddy movie ever made the buddies don't like each other through most of the flick and then have a good hug and a laugh at the end once they've killed everyone else.

[Hudson]

I loved DH3:WAV, just as much as the first two actually.

Damn, I want to watch that now.

[8IronBob]

Yeesh, they could've done a DH4 SOONER, no reason to wait 12 years before the next one... Unless this is going to be Live Free or Die Hard as if the other three Die Hards never happened, just like with Doom 3 over the other two.

[HenryJonesJr]

I have great expectations! Really looking forward to this one! :-)

[Grande 3:16]

I've been thinking about it, and I have a bit of a problem with McClane ducking under the flying car that lands on other cars. In every other Die Hard movie, McClane just about kills himself making sure that everybody else lives. But now it looks like bystanders are getting injured (killed? :confused:) so that McClane can live. To me it just seems a bit out of tune with the rest of the series. But I guess I'll have to wait and see.

Yeesh, they could've done a DH4 SOONER, no reason to wait 12 years before the next one... Unless this is going to be Live Free or Die Hard as if the other three Die Hards never happened, just like with Doom 3 over the other two.Die Hard With A Vengeance pretty much ignored Die Hard 2. And Holly still leaves McClane even though he's saved her life twice!

[theRobot]

She supposedly left because it was too stressful... that's why she left with the kids, as opposed to just leaving, and john keeping the kids. The movie tells you... how it was just a fight, and she packed and left and he just never called her to come back home and talk it over... that's why Zeus laughs at him.. for being so stupid.. "She's a very stubborn woman.." They aren't even divorced in the movie.. just separated.

[HenryJonesJr]

now...what's wrong with this picture? :D

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/1476/lfodhul4.th.jpg (http://img259.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lfodhul4.jpg)

[Commando Nukem]

now...what's wrong with this picture? :D

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/1476/lfodhul4.th.jpg (http://img259.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lfodhul4.jpg)

Its A. Subject to change. Or B. The movie takes place on the fourth (Woot, another movie to add to my birthday marathon.)

[Kalki]

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0337978/releaseinfo

[Grande 3:16]

July 19, not that far away. :)

[Vivi]

Well the June 29th date is correct for some countries.

[shiranui]

The quadrilogy should end with Mc Clane dying with big smile on his face, and an erection.

[Roger]

I loved DH3:WAV, just as much as the first two actually.

Damn, I want to watch that now.

Hey, look, I have the trilogy. Maybe I could watch all of them again for you... :o

I feel the same way, though. People who liked the first two but didn't like the third were just being overcritical in their typically pompous ways. ;)

[Vivi]

I liked the first, disliked the second, liked the third.

Overall, I'd rate them:

5/5
2/5
4/5

[Hudson]

Bruce Willis is a burned out cop.. on the edge..

[Mongorian]

The quadrilogy should end with Mc Clane dying with big smile on his face, and an erection.

yes yes YES

[Grande 3:16]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZo6H9lwjBs

Capitol Hill looks a bit Independence Day-ish.

[Damien_Azreal]

Now it's Die hard 4.0 huh... oh well, no matter what they call it I'll go see it.

[Grande 3:16]

I think that might be an international title or something. I saw that trailer last week and it was Live Free or Die Hard.

[Damien_Azreal]

Could be, either way I'm looking forward to it.

Definitely looks better than an early script idea i read about a few years ago... with McClane running around a jungle with army guys or some such shit.

[Jiminator]

saw the preview today. I never realized that you can take down a helicopter by driving a car up a small ramp to send it flying into the air to knock the helicopter down. yay hollywood! the visuals look nice if you can suspend disbelief and pretend it is happening in another dimension with different physics laws.

[Grande 3:16]

Definitely looks better than an early script idea i read about a few years ago... with McClane running around a jungle with army guys or some such shit.I read about that back around 1996. I think that just ended up being Tears of the Sun.

[Commando Nukem]

Oooh the badguys like... blew up the capital building.


Like. Damn.

[Phait]

I read about that back around 1996. I think that just ended up being Tears of the Sun.

Or fly an F-22 under a highway bypass between some concrete columns at a high enough non-stalling speed, barely meeting the ground. :rolleyes:

HD Trailers
http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/livefreeordiehard.html

[Needle]

I'm by no means not a friend of ridiculously over the top action movies, but why exactly did they feel the need to make this a Die Hard movie? As far as I can tell from the trailer, it couldn't be any more different from part one. McLane essentially became Schwarzenegger.

Also, I'm surprised how they manage to still give away way to much, even if it's a trailer for a movie that doesn't seem to be more than a roughly 100 minutes long action sequence.

[Water12356]

Lots of CGI, but it looks to be worth a movie ticket to see McClane kicking ass again!

[Damien_Azreal]

Kevin Smith has a small part in the movie. :woot: Now I'm happy. :D

[Steve]

Justin Long ... isn't he the guy that does the mac adverts? :eek:

[Hudson]

Yes, and considering this movie is about computer terrorists or whatever i'm hoping they make a reference to it :)

[Marty]

some of the scenes in the trailer remind me of True Lies

[Commando Nukem]

The official site STILL says Not Rated, and im pretty sure that the last time I checked the MPAA hasn't rated it on their site either... Hmm. We'll see. Hopefully Fox will see to reason. Bruce Willis was happy with this film up to now so hopefully the DVD will restore whatever is butchered... Its a pity though. :(

[Joe Siegler]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IfRb-sWuDk

The trailer link in the original post is now no longer valid. Here's a working one.

It looks like your standard sensory overload movie. Probably nothing terribly special, but it'll be an enjoyable couple of hours of watching stuff blow up, I imagine. :)

[Damien_Azreal]

Have they made up their minds about what version of the movie will be played in theaters? Will we get the R rated version that Bruce Willis loves and said is as good as the first movie?

Or will we get the watered down, ready for teeny boppers PG-13 version that has Bruce angry enough to threaten to not go to the release?

If the R rated cut is shown I'll see it in theaters, but if it's PG-13 I may ignore it completely.

[Joe Siegler]

No idea. If I had to guess, I'd say PG-13 in theatres, and then the other one as an "unrated" DVD or some marketing crap like that.

Official website still says unrated.

[hiob]

No idea. If I had to guess, I'd say PG-13 in theatres, and then the other one as an "unrated" DVD or some marketing crap like that.

Yeah that'll probably happen. I'll still watch it in the theatre if it's PG-13, gigantic explosions on gigantic screens ftw. :)

[Joe Siegler]

Yeah that'll probably happen. I'll still watch it in the theatre if it's PG-13, gigantic explosions on gigantic screens ftw. :)

Yeah, movies like that are great on gigantic screens.

[thefly]

Uh, no. Thank you, drive through.

The whole thing is likely going to be a pile of suck anyway.

[Joe Siegler]

It can still be great even though it's a pile of suck, depending on how the action goes, which was my point.

[Grande 3:16]

Looks like a good movie, just not sure if it's a good Die Hard movie.

[Damien_Azreal]

I'm trusting what Bruce said about the movie, that the original script they filmed (the R rated cut) is as good as the first film.
But he said the PG-13 cut is insulting and not worth being watched.

[Commando Nukem]

It can still be great even though it's a pile of suck, depending on how the action goes, which was my point.

...What? As a writer I find that insulting. Especially when we're talking Die Hard. This is the action film series that defined the modern action film. Intelligent, story, and character driven. Die Hard wasn't just Kaboom. It was a realistic potrayal of the situation.

The least they could do would be show some respect and make this an R.

[Karthik]

...What? As a writer I find that insulting. Especially when we're talking Die Hard. This is the action film series that defined the modern action film. Intelligent, story, and character driven. Die Hard wasn't just Kaboom. It was a realistic potrayal of the situation.

The least they could do would be show some respect and make this an R.
R-Rated movies don't make money like they use to. I guess US will get the PG13 version while the rest of the world will be watching the R-rated version(like those Charlie's Angels movies).

[FullMetalJacket]

R-Rated movies don't make money like they use to.

I guess you've never been to boxofficemojo.com and seen how much money The Matrix Reloaded, The Passion of the Christ, and 300 have made...

[Joe Siegler]

...What? As a writer I find that insulting. Especially when we're talking Die Hard. This is the action film series that defined the modern action film. Intelligent, story, and character driven. Die Hard wasn't just Kaboom. It was a realistic potrayal of the situation.

Sorry, it's Kaboom with some attitude. That's what the general public wants, and if that insults a writer, so be it. That's what the public wants. Mind candy.

[Hudson]

I'm trusting what Bruce said about the movie, that the original script they filmed (the R rated cut) is as good as the first film.
But he said the PG-13 cut is insulting and not worth being watched.

He said that? Oh man, here's hoping the R version makes its way out.

A PG-13 die hard?! :(

[XPM]

...What? As a writer I find that insulting.

Sorry, gonna try not to laugh here :p

[Nessus]

I think it'll be PG-13. This way they can get the teen crowd and then have something to offer when the DVD comes out, and these days it's all about the DVD.

I like the theater for these type of movies but it's getting less and less attractive. First of all I can watch Hi def widescreen in my house and the picture is arguably better than the theater. And I don't have to sit through commercials.

[Commando Nukem]

Sorry, gonna try not to laugh here :p

What the Hell is that supposed to mean?

Writers nowadays get shanked by Hollywood anyway. They write something thats generally pretty good, but then Hollywood strips out a lot of the story for "kaboom". Its not that audiences want it, most people I know are fed up with the shit hollywood force feeds the mindless masses. most of them will see it because its what they're told to see.

[FullMetalJacket]

A PG-13 die hard?! :(

That's almost as insulting as the PG-13 Alien vs. Predator. :doh:

[Grande 3:16]

Now it's Die hard 4.0 huh... oh well, no matter what they call it I'll go see it.Saw the trailer and some posters when I went to the movies today. Looks like the Australian title is Die Hard 4.0 :rolleyes:

I think it'll be PG-13. This way they can get the teen crowd and then have something to offer when the DVD comes out, and these days it's all about the DVD.Wider audience, more bums on seats, and more screenings per day. I guess Fox is still pissed over Fight Club.

[thefly]

Welcome to Generalization City, population: Commando Nukem, and his vague friends "they" "hollywood" "most people" "most" and "they." No need to cite specifics...it's what "some" of the "most" "good" writers do.

[Paroxysm]

[QUOTE=Grande 3:16;543014]Die Hard 4.0 :rolleyes:/QUOTE]

Why the roll eyes? The ".0" is lame but at least it's not the utterly retarded american title.

[Grande 3:16]

For years there was talk of a title being Die Hardest. That's better than 4.0

Hell, even Die Harderer would be better. :)

[Joel]

The trailer does look promising, but darn, Die Hard 3 is a hard act to follow.

[FullMetalJacket]

The trailer does look promising, but darn, Die Hard 3 is a hard act to follow.

Seconded.

[John]

It can still be great even though it's a pile of suck

But Die Hard isn't just another crap b-action movie. It's not supposed to be just about "KABOOM! LOLZ".

[Commando Nukem]

Welcome to Generalization City, population: Commando Nukem, and his vague friends "they" "hollywood" "most people" "most" and "they." No need to cite specifics...it's what "some" of the "most" "good" writers do.

Your post is even less productive. Are you trying to argue that the content of films as far as story structure has gotten better? Are you trying to say im wrong or what?

What you want a list of executives? The fact is general terms are far easier then giving you a "hit" list, because the simple fact is MOST(As in not all) of the PEOPLE(executives, producers) holding the CASH(The true point of power in this industry, if you don't have the money to buy the stuff you need for the film, you can't make the film) are very exploitive and into those(Built strictly to get people into the theatre and spend their money) kind of movies. As Bruce Campbell said, "A" movies are now "B" movies and "B" movies are now "A" movies. Meaning most of the people dedicated to telling a story with any semblence of depth are in the independent arena. Hollywood IS and has become increasingly obsessed with making money over the last 15 years. At the close of the 90s the quality of films just started to decline in very obvious ways, that was because a lot of the creative talent moved on, or left. Most of the people active in Hollywood are new people.

[thefly]

No, I'm just saying you have a romantic view of the history of cinema. You generalize too much, and your notion, in your own words "the close of the 90s the quality of films just started to decline in very obvious ways" is naive, but understandable.

To me, you send a pretty worthless stance on saying "'I'M A WRITER I KNOW WHAT IS GOOD!" while not really being able to back up any credits.

Hollywood IS and has become increasingly obsessed with making money over the last 15 years.

I know it is not easy to look at history that goes beyond your life experience. "The last 15 years." You have no idea of film history.

[Paroxysm]

No! Don't you know in the beginning hollywood was nothing but a haven for the creative masters of the world cinema who were accountable to nobody but art and TRUTH!

:D

[Opus131]

Hollywood is going down mainly due the following:

1) It deserted it's adult audience.

2) It deserted it's conservative demographic.

3) Abandoned the code, which allowed directors and writers full creative control within the limits imposed where as now they have no control whatsoever, only an illusion of freedom.

4) It shifted from a predominantly male audience to an increased pandering to women (thanks to feminist political pressure), which is alienating males and is lowering standards for women are notorious for their bad taste in most things.

Did i miss anything?

[Hudson]

If it's rated PG-13 i'm just not going to go see it at the theater.

The amount i'll save on a ticket, popcorn and soda will buy the unrated DVD when it comes out this fall.

[Amakou]

The amount i'll save on a ticket, popcorn and soda will buy the unrated DVD when it comes out this fall.

Nice.

I will be very disappointed if it's rated PG-13...

~Amakou~

[Commando Nukem]

the thing I don't get is why can't Hollywood leave a trioligy alone? Trioligys are very good and theres no need to destroy that good 3 set with an extra fourth one that makes the series look like it has some tumor growing on it (Alien Resurrection comes to mind). It'll be one thing if Die Hard 4 tells a story that is truly compelling, but from the trailers its just gonna be, shoot, shoot, and shoot some more. I had a lot of high hopes for it when I saw the first few trailers, but after closer examination and hearing some of the interviews...etc im not so sure.


No, I'm just saying you have a romantic view of the history of cinema. You generalize too much, and your notion, in your own words "the close of the 90s the quality of films just started to decline in very obvious ways" is naive, but understandable.

To me, you send a pretty worthless stance on saying "'I'M A WRITER I KNOW WHAT IS GOOD!" while not really being able to back up any credits.



I know it is not easy to look at history that goes beyond your life experience. "The last 15 years." You have no idea of film history.

Excuse me i've gone back all the way to the first pictures with sound and come all the way back. It is evident to anyone who watches films, as the effects get better, the narrative slowly was sacrificed. At the end of the 90s it just slumped. CGI made it too easy to throw something together. ANYBODY can pick up a computer with decent hardware and start editing video together. (Enter : Fan Films, Followed by Conspiracy Films).

I never said I knew what was the end all, be all of "good". I merely said I know from the experience gathered from personal viewings and the bulk of the people I know as well as many of their friends. Most of whom happen to be in college or graduates, who are studying theatre, writing, english comprehension, screen writing, editing, film compositing, visual effects... Any field of movie making.

Besides how large a resume' do you need to see the blatant drop in quality of story of the last decade and a half or so?

[Paroxysm]

See the problem here is that as you've got older you become more critical of film so you see it as degrading when really you're just less accepting. Many people working in film theory do draw somewhat specific lines where there have been overall shifts in quality. I have never read of one talking about an overall shift in the 90's like you're talking about.

You know the film that did the most to damage the older system and create our current climate? Jaws.

[Steve]

Hollywood is going down mainly due the following:

1) It deserted it's adult audience.

2) It deserted it's conservative demographic.

3) Abandoned the code, which allowed directors and writers full creative control within the limits imposed where as now they have no control whatsoever, only an illusion of freedom.

4) It shifted from a predominantly male audience to an increased pandering to women (thanks to feminist political pressure), which is alienating males and is lowering standards for women are notorious for their bad taste in most things.

Did i miss anything?

Quoting as I completely ******* agree.

[Paroxysm]

Do we really have to address Opus' post? That women have bad taste and the Hays code was what kept the indutry creative? Really? TRULY!?

[Commando Nukem]

See the problem here is that as you've got older you become more critical of film so you see it as degrading when really you're just less accepting. Many people working in film theory do draw somewhat specific lines where there have been overall shifts in quality. I have never read of one talking about an overall shift in the 90's like you're talking about.

You know the film that did the most to damage the older system and create our current climate? Jaws.

Well no. That would work if a movie I once thought good, is now a movie I hate. Movies I liked when I watched them, I usually still like them, and I can appreciate the deeper elements. Problem is, hollywood likes to skip the deeper elements nowadays, and it shows. Its unfortunate, but its there.

[thefly]

Besides how large a resume' do you need to see the blatant drop in quality of story of the last decade and a half or so?

Yeah, I guess it is too much ask for something more than anecdotal evidence and broad generalizations. :doh:

[Paroxysm]

Well no. That would work if a movie I once thought good, is now a movie I hate. Movies I liked when I watched them, I usually still like them, and I can appreciate the deeper elements. Problem is, hollywood likes to skip the deeper elements nowadays, and it shows. Its unfortunate, but its there.

Actually I don't see how an unchanging oppinion about the films you grew up with discredits my point at all.

When was hollywood full of deep meanings in the majority of work? Was this the magical early 90's you speak so fondly of? Or maybe the long distant late 80's! I may sound a tad facetious because... well that's what I'm doing. Really what evidence do you have to point to films these days has any less "deeper elements" than they have in the past? Perhaps you're just watching the wrong films.

[Grande 3:16]

You know the film that did the most to damage the older system and create our current climate? Jaws.That's what I was gonna say. :tinyted:

(Well, I was gonna say "More like 32 years than 15 years", but you spelled it out ;))

[gt1750]

The trailer looks good, but I'm not digging those OTT effects. Might be seeing this though, I loved the first three (especially the third).

Oh, and when I was clicking through DH trailers, I found this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StuihXsyEqU&mode=related&search=
:)

[TBZ]

10 questions from fans to bruce Willis :)

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/32718

[Hudson]

Haha, that's pretty damn awesome of him :D

[Damien_Azreal]

I just want a damn rating for the movie. :( I mean it comes out in two weeks and it's still unrated.

[Phait]

R-13?

[big fat lazy]

I just saw a commercial and it said PG13. :mryuck:

[Damien_Azreal]

Seriously? :( Damn.

Well, guess I won't see this until an unrated DVD comes out.

EDIT: Yep, PG-13...

http://www.livefreeordiehard.com/index_site.html

Has the rating at the bottom of the screen. :(

[Phait]

I don't see why a rating should keep it from being a good movie though - it's just a cut of language and violence and sex. I admit, I prefer R films over PG-13, because I'm 24, not 13, 14, 15, 16 or 17. I kinda expect R films.

[Zom-B]

Oh, and when I was clicking through DH trailers, I found this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StuihXsyEqU&mode=related&search=
:)

Look here, see, this is a stick up, see. We're gonna take all the bearer bonds from the vault. Myah.

Lmfao, Loved it. As for Die Hard 4, i'll be going to see it out of curiosity. The Die Hard trilogy are top of the list on my favourite films, and when a sequel turns into a "protect-the-kid" flick, i usually lose interest.

[Damien_Azreal]

I don't see why a rating should keep it from being a good movie though - it's just a cut of language and violence and sex. I admit, I prefer R films over PG-13, because I'm 24, not 13, 14, 15, 16 or 17. I kinda expect R films.

Basically because they filmed an R rated film with a R rated script... and then cut it down to PG-13. If it had originally been written and filmed as PG-13 I wouldn't be as hesitant.
But cutting it down like that makes me nervous.

[Phait]

But why, would they cut out key scenes that are interspersed between violence or something? I wouldn't think so.

[Damien_Azreal]

I doubt they cut out key scenes.

But Bruce Willis loved the original cut of the film, said it was as good as the first film... but he is even upset about the PG-13 cut.

[Kev_Hectic]

Haha, that's pretty damn awesome of him :D

This one is better. About a month ago Bruce Willis was posting in their talk back section under the name Walter B...

http://www.aintitcool.com/talkback_display/32511#comment_1496541

People thought he was a fake it until Bruce went into some sort of video ichat with another talk back user to prove it was really him.

Basically because they filmed an R rated film with a R rated script... and then cut it down to PG-13. If it had originally been written and filmed as PG-13 I wouldn't be as hesitant.
But cutting it down like that makes me nervous.

I'm glad they went that route, instead of shooting it as a straight PG-13. That means we could see an unrated version for DVD... Hopefully.

[Hudson]

PG-13? So the single F-bomb will be used for "Yippee-ki-yay, motherfxcker"?

Yeah, I can see this working out well. McClain is now even further on the edge, even more burned out, but took some serious language correction courses to aid in his appearance and public reception!

[Damien_Azreal]

Yeah, I'm hoping for an uncut DVD so we can finally get the true version of the film.

[Hudson]

I just cannot imagine McClain getting beat in the face while shouting "Aww shoot" "Crap!" "Son of a beachball!" "Shucks!"

It wouldn't be so bad if his edgy language wasn't cemented as a staple of the character through the first three movies.

I'm not going to think about all the violence they had to cut.

[Damien_Azreal]

I know... part of McClain IMO is his personality and his use of profanity. He's always been a very vulgar guy, and for this to be PG-13 it seems like he's gone to sensitivity training or something.

[big fat lazy]

Yeah, I'm hoping for an uncut DVD so we can finally get the true version of the film.

Every movie and it's cousin has an unrated dvd these days, you think there's any chance this one won't?

[Hudson]

"Die Hard IV: Unrated Directors Cut - The Version You Should Have Seen In Theaters"

[Kev_Hectic]

I just cannot imagine McClain getting beat in the face while shouting "Aww shoot" "Crap!" "Son of a beachball!" "Shucks!"

It wouldn't be so bad if his edgy language wasn't cemented as a staple of the character through the first three movies.


Die Hard 2 TV edits: http://youtube.com/watch?v=a90Hj9lsEq4

The TV edited scenes from Die Hard With a Vengeance were even funnier/ worse. To bad I can't seem to find any of them.

[Karthik]

"Die Hard IV: Unrated Directors Cut - The Version You Should Have Seen In Theaters"
*6 months later*
Die hard IV: New Unrated Cut

*another year later*
Die hard 4: HD Unrated version

*2 years later*
Die Hard 4: HD Unrated version with more deleted stuff


Seriously they need to stop doing this.

[Grande 3:16]

I don't have a problem with PG-13 action movies, to be honest there's a few movies out there that I probably wouldn't have enjoyed as much if they had higher ratings. But a PG-13 Die Hard doesn't sound right.

Die Hard 2 TV edits: http://youtube.com/watch?v=a90Hj9lsEq4

The TV edited scenes from Die Hard With a Vengeance were even funnier/ worse. To bad I can't seem to find any of them.
"Rascal"? WTF?

In the TV version over here, when McClane is escaping out the top of the elevator and the reporter is asking for a few words, he says "Just a few words? Shhhhh!"

[Kev_Hectic]

Saw this posted elsewhere, two five minute clips of Die Hard 4:

http://www.kino-govno.com/?trailers&id=diehard4

First clip is the first five minutes of the actual movie. And the second clip is an action sequence with Bruce and Justin Long that looks like it takes place shortly but not directly after the first clip.

The opening clip was pretty meh, but the action scene looks OK.

[Hudson]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=a90Hj9lsEq4

Um.. why does John sound like a black guy in some of those lines?

[Edit]: And and old man?

[FullMetalJacket]

PG-13? So the single F-bomb will be used for "Yippee-ki-yay, motherfxcker"?

Yeah, I can see this working out well. McClain is now even further on the edge, even more burned out, but took some serious language correction courses to aid in his appearance and public reception!

Actually, Hollywood's getting more liberal these days. PG-13 films aren't necessarily limited to just one F-bomb anymore. I know that for a fact, because in Million Dollar Baby (which is PG-13) Clint Eastwood's character says "Motherf*cker" twice in one scene.

Yeah, I'm as disappointed in the PG-13 rating as the next guy, and hopeful for an unrated DVD. But to be honest, the first three Die Hards weren't outrageously violent to begin with. I mean, sure, they all had very high bodycounts, but in terms of individual deaths, the only graphic killings I can even remember were in the brief elevator shootout in Die Hard with a Vengeance (when you can see brains splattering), and when that chick used that sickle-blade-thingy to slice up that one security guard.

[FrozeN91]

[Edit]: And and old man?Because he is an old man. ;) Can't explain the "sounds like a black guy" part though..

[edit] Nevermind, I didn't watch the video.

[Marty]

ok after watching that dub version of DH2; LF or DH definitly needs a "Yippee-ki-yay, you rascal!"

its going to be really interesting to see how this one turns out with a PG-13 rating. maybe rob schneider will make a cameo.

lastly, i have alot more respect for "Beedub" for chatting with the fans

[big fat lazy]

In the DH3 tv version he says "yipee-ki-yay, my friend!"

[Karthik]

Malaysian version is by far the best "yipee ki-yay, *mute*". But you still can read his lips.

[Van Hamies]

In the DH3 tv version he says "yipee-ki-yay, my friend!"

HAHA :D
can't stop laughing

[Grande 3:16]

Um.. why does John sound like a black guy in some of those lines?Reminded me of the jive-talkin' black guys from Airplane! :D

In the DH3 tv version he says "yipee-ki-yay, my friend!"
I saw Samuel L Jackson being interviewed once, and he said for airline/TV versions of movies they replace the 12-letter MF word with "My friend". Haven't been able to accept "My friend" quite the same since then.

[big fat lazy]

Malaysian version is by far the best "yipee ki-yay, *mute*". But you still can read his lips.

Yeah I like it alot better when movies just mute the words.

[Commando Nukem]

Saw this posted elsewhere, two five minute clips of Die Hard 4:

http://www.kino-govno.com/?trailers&id=diehard4

First clip is the first five minutes of the actual movie. And the second clip is an action sequence with Bruce and Justin Long that looks like it takes place shortly but not directly after the first clip.

The opening clip was pretty meh, but the action scene looks OK.

Hollywood has still not grown up from the old way of showing "hacking" It looks ridiculous. However I will say the acting is mucho better then I was expecting. From this I must say I am quite suprised. Bruce Willis does a good job holding his own, so does Justin. Its not gonna win awards, but it looks like it will be at least comparable to the rest in the series.

[Grande 3:16]

Yeah I like it alot better when movies just mute the words.When Lethal Weapon 4 was on TV over here, they bleeped(!) the F words during the celphone discussion. That was the stupidest TV edit I've ever seen. :doh:

[Hudson]

I'd rather have bleeping than dubbing, but just cutting the words out seems best.

Why we're so concerned about nudity and language on television yet show being getting decapitated on basic cable is beyond me.

[ryche]

Can anyone explain why all of a sudden movies are being released earlier than originally announced? Wasn't this and Transformers supposed to come out July 4 but now DH4 is coming out in June?? Awesome but just....didn't expect that. I think Pirates also came out a day early.

[Commando Nukem]

Can anyone explain why all of a sudden movies are being released earlier than originally announced? Wasn't this and Transformers supposed to come out July 4 but now DH4 is coming out in June?? Awesome but just....didn't expect that. I think Pirates also came out a day early.

Its been like that for awhile, but they probably pushed it up for economic reasons, or to avoid combating other films at the time. (A lot of people wouldn't go to the movies on the 4th.)

[Damien_Azreal]

So, who is going to break down and go see this next week?

I'm trying to hold off, but I've watch DH1,2, and 3 this week. And even though it's PG-13... watching the previous ones has made me want to watch the new film.

[Amakou]

I'll definitely see it. After I do, I'll post a mini-review.

~Amakou~

[Grande 3:16]

Why we're so concerned about nudity and language on television yet show being getting decapitated on basic cable is beyond me.Parents were complaining about Johnny Depp constantly saying "Bugger" in Pirates 2, but apparently didn't have a problem with dozens of people being killed and eaten by a sea monster. :doh:

[SonnyBonds]

I'm not sure I like how they've started milking all the old, retired cash cows these days.. but hopefully this one will be good, the Die Hard series is one of my all time favourite action series.

[SyntaxN]

Parents were complaining about Johnny Depp constantly saying "Bugger" in Pirates 2, but apparently didn't have a problem with dozens of people being killed and eaten by a sea monster. :doh:
It´s interesting that some parents apparently have nothing else to do than to complain about totally random crap.

[Scream]

Actually, Hollywood's getting more liberal these days. PG-13 films aren't necessarily limited to just one F-bomb anymore. I know that for a fact, because in Million Dollar Baby (which is PG-13) Clint Eastwood's character says "Motherf*cker" twice in one scene.

Yeah, I'm as disappointed in the PG-13 rating as the next guy, and hopeful for an unrated DVD. But to be honest, the first three Die Hards weren't outrageously violent to begin with. I mean, sure, they all had very high bodycounts, but in terms of individual deaths, the only graphic killings I can even remember were in the brief elevator shootout in Die Hard with a Vengeance (when you can see brains splattering), and when that chick used that sickle-blade-thingy to slice up that one security guard.

The guy getting stabbed in the eye with an icicle in the second one was pretty gross. :D

[TBZ]

Kevin Smith interviews Bruce Willis :)

http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/livefreeordiehard/willisinterview/

[Damien_Azreal]

I've always loved Bruce in interviews like these. He's such a laid back guy.

[Grande 3:16]

The guy getting stabbed in the eye with an icicle in the second one was pretty gross. :DYeah, I can't believe that didn't get trimmed in the TV version. The throat slashing was pretty gross too.

[Phait]

You're all a buncha women - I eat 3 meals a day watching surgeries on Discovery Health :p

not really

[Grande 3:16]

You're all a buncha women - I eat 3 meals a day watching surgeries on Discovery Health :p

not reallyI can watch those graphic (real) surgery shows on TV no problem... but then the (fake) surgery in Black Hawk Down just about had me upchucking. :mryuck:

[Damien_Azreal]

Well... with nothing else to do today we went and saw it. Just got back.

Honestly, not bad... it was very enjoyable. And was a good Die Hard film actually, not as funny as the previous ones... John seemed a bit more grounded, even darker in his attitude.
But it was funny at times.

Story wise, very good. And very believable (other than how they portrayed hacking) it was something you could believe could happen.

Action wise, it started pretty damn early on in the film and didn't let up. It was very violent and gritty. One scene towards the end seemed a little over the top, but for a Die Hard film it fit in.
And when john says "Yippee Ki Yay mother f**cker!" it fit so damn well. And the context of how he uses it is perfect. It didn't feel tacked on or out of place.

Over all, I liked it a lot. Very enjoyable, violent, fast paced with a good balance of action, humor and story. A good fourth Die Hard.

But not great, let me simply say a few things that did bug me. There where a few times (a lot actually) were you could tell lines had been ADR'd over to cover up an originally profane line.
There were a few scenes were it seemed they used CGI to remove some blood... to tone down violence. When a couple of cops where killed they fell back on a white cop car and as they fell they left no blood trail. But the white on the car seemed a bit brighter. May just be me. But Bon said she saw it as well. Plus a few other scenes where people were killed and the camera seemed as if it had been pushed in very close to their face so as to not show to much.

And finally, When John says "Yippee-Ki-Yay, Mother f**cker!" It's during a gun shot, and the shot seems as if it was intentionally loader than his line.

But finally, a good film. People who like Die Hard should enjoy it... it's not the best... but I think an Uncut DVD release could definitely make it much much better.

[TBZ]

Sounds good Damien, I'll probably go see it this weekend.

And if there is an Uncut/Unrated version of the movie when it hits DVD, I'll buy it without hesitation, because, it's DIE HARD! :p

[Phait]

How was Olyphant?

[Damien_Azreal]

Olyphant was great. After Willis he was the best in the film... a great badguy.

And, watching his face and eyes in this movie... he'll be able to nail that cold, heartless look for 47. He's got it down.

[Burfid]

Friggen awesome movie. My childhood is complete. They never have to make another movie ever again.:D

[8IronBob]

Heh, just surprising that Willis is still in that type of shape to do movies like this.

You'd think that he'd be getting a little too old to be doing any types of stunts like this.
What is he, like 55 - 60 years old now?

[big fat lazy]

He's 52 now.

[Needle]

Seen it. The plot was a mess, it had the most embarrassingly stupid "hacking" since The Net and McClane seemed to be channeling Will Smith at times, but I still liked it. It's essentially the bastard son of Die Hard 3 and True Lies, which is cool in my book, but might irritate some of the, uhm, die hard Die Hard fans.

[KaiserSoze]

Saw this today and it was great. I was a bit worried this would be a letdown ala Spider-Man 3 but was pleasantly surprised.

Damien covered alot of it and his opinions are similiar to mine.

I will say that all the people pissed off with the movie getting a PG-13 have nothing to worry about here. Lot's of violence and swearing and McClane has some great one liners along with killing the baddies off in classic McClane ways. :D

It's a very solid addition to the Diehard series and the plot is very timely.

One of the "big summer movies" that didn't disappoint me.

I definately recommend it.

[LeadBullet]

Kevin Smith interviews Bruce Willis :)

http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/livefreeordiehard/willisinterview/

Nice interview, but annoying as shit because it was the first interview I've seen that was edited like an action movie. Its two guys sitting down not really moving at all and having a calm conversation, yet the camera is cutting to a different angle every 2 seconds.

[Marty]

die hard Die Hard fans.
woohoo! someone finally said it! :D

i might see it when it comes out. i pretty much only like the first DH. the hacker crap in this one kinda pisses me off, judging by some of the clips I've seen.

[Scream]

Saw this today and overall enjoyed it, although I have to wonder if Kaiser and I were watching the same movie as the swearing was pretty much non-existent (I am quite sure there was only one f-bomb in the whole movie). I really don't need swearing to make a movie good, although I do feel there are times where it adds some realism, and gave the first Die Hard a gritty feel that this one lacks to some extent. Not a big deal, although like someone said earlier, it's a little irritating in spots where you can tell the dialogue was dubbed over to remove objectionable phrases. They had to re-work this a bit to get their PG rating I guess.

Very violent, although less graphic than previous films I think.

The action in these films gets more and more ridiculous with each sequel, and this one ratchets it up another notch, but it's all good fun. CGI was not over-used (my biggest worry), and where it was used it was well-done so that it didn't pull you out of the experience. For the most part, you couldn't really tell it was CGI. You just simply knew that it had to be as there would be no other way they could get a particular shot through conventional means.

The "Mac Guy" sidekick was ok, although it's tough to measure up to Samuel L Jackson from the 3rd film. Nevertheless, he did a decent job. I have to agree that the "hacking" BS was a little irritating, but not as bad as some films that employ computers as the big bad mysterious evil. The inclusion of Kevin Smith in the cast seemed somewhat unnecessary, but not a big problem. Guess someone involved in production must be his buddy or something. Sort of along the lines of Bruce Campbell in the Spidey flicks.

The sequence with the fighter jet at the end was pretty dumb, but I guess by that point you've pretty much shut off the reality part of your brain and should be willing to suspend disbelief just enough to get through it without throwing popcorn at the screen.

Anyway, if you liked the other Die Hard flicks, you'll like this one.

[ryche]

I liked it.

[8IronBob]

Yeah, I'm waiting for this to come to the cheapie theaters to watch this... It sounds like a worthwhile movie, but I'd much rather spend no more than $3 - $5 on it, as opposed to $10 - $15 like the first-run theaters...

[KaiserSoze]

Saw this today and overall enjoyed it, although I have to wonder if Kaiser and I were watching the same movie as the swearing was pretty much non-existent (I am quite sure there was only one f-bomb in the whole movie).

Well, I'm referring to a few "asses", "damns", some "shits" and the "f bomb". They were few and far between but I'm pretty sure I heard all those.

Either way, didn't really make a difference to me as I was more glued to the action than anything. :)

Fun movie.

Also the final scene with the Jet vs Mcclane was over the top ridiculous but then again, almost all of the Diehards have had scenes like that. It just felt a bit too much like the "True Lies" scene with Arnold fighting the jet for my tastes. I think Wiseman and Willis could have come up with something different but it was a nice set piece.

[Damien_Azreal]

Yeah, Bon said that the possibility of something like that happening was almost none. But I responded that most of the situations McClane finds himself in are that way.

She agreed.

While it was very over the top... it didn't seem entirely out of place in a Die Hard film.

Was I the only person that enjoyed Kevin Smith's cameo in the film? True it wasn't needed, and it didn't really push the story forward a whole lot... but there were a few key story parts in there and it was very funny.

[Scream]

I didn't care about Kevin Smith's appearance one way or the other. As a general rule I like him as a personality, and he's a decent filmmaker. I just didn't think he really added anything, but he didn't really take anything away either.

As far as over the top stuff in Die Hard films go, the first one was still the most realistic of the bunch. They've gotten progressively sillier. Enjoyable, but silly. :)

Quite a difference between this latest one and the first one when it comes to technology. In the first one they cut the phones to the building under siege, and nobody could contact anyone (no cell phones). :)

[Damien_Azreal]

I know, I watched all the three previous films prior to seeing DH4. I love the first one, absolutely the best of the series... it was violent, dark, gritty... funny and extremely entertaining.
And the fact that it was an ordinary guy, not some special forces guy or super soldier type guy, just a regular guy (cop even) caught in extreme circumstances.

The second was okay, I loved the idea behind it... the setting was great. But it just doesn't have the same heart the first one did. It was still very entertaining and funny.

The third is great, definitely the second best in the series. Mostly due to having the original director back... and the way Bruce Willis and Sam L Jackson worked off of each other was great.

As for the fourth film, I think it did suffer a bit from having yet another new director. Lacking any characters from the previous films and having a PG-13 rating.
But all in all it was still a great Die Hard film and did what the other films did very well. Showed a regular guy in extreme situations.
I would have to say I liked DH4 better than DH2.

[Scream]

I think I feel the same as far as preferences. None measure up to the first, but the 3rd was my favourite aside from it. I liked the other cops in that one (his captain, and Graham Greene was good as well) and it had a more realistic feel to it than the second or the fourth, neither of which had much of a supporting cast.

[8IronBob]

Well, I'm referring to a few "asses", "damns", some "shits" and the "f bomb". They were few and far between but I'm pretty sure I heard all those.

Either way, didn't really make a difference to me as I was more glued to the action than anything. :)

Fun movie.

Also the final scene with the Jet vs Mcclane was over the top ridiculous but then again, almost all of the Diehards have had scenes like that. It just felt a bit too much like the "True Lies" scene with Arnold fighting the jet for my tastes. I think Wiseman and Willis could have come up with something different but it was a nice set piece.

Well, if you remember With A Vengeance, that, too, had a lot of potty mouth stuff in there, too. I mean, it just adds character. That was just John McClane at his best, this is just the icing on the cake, here...

[Wamplet]

I thought it was great.

I thought the guy in the plane was Phait the entire time. The guy had skills.

[Phait]

God damn right :D

[Kev_Hectic]

When John says "Yippee-Ki-Yay, Mother f**cker!" It's during a gun shot, and the shot seems as if it was intentionally loader than his line.


Yeah... I'm the "cker" part sounded like it was drowned out from the sound of the gun blast, like he was saying "Yippy-ki-yay-mother-fu---" *BOOM!*

As for the movie, I liked it. Sure the F35 jet was over the top, but I didn't seem to care at that point. Each Die Hard movie from the second one up has been trying to out do it's predecessor with more over the top action sequences.

I did feel like the lack of an R rating hurt it a bit though. I mean, I still liked it, but to me, it just lacked a bit of the "Oomph!" that the previous films had. It was a bit odd seeing John McClane hold back on the cussing. But I'm sure we'll see an unrated directors cut on DVD in a few months.

My only other real problem, was that the main villain was about as flat as the one from part 2. Neither of them compare to Hans or Simon from the first and third movie.

[8IronBob]

Yeah, that never occured to me why the third one is where you had revenge on the Gruber family, because that seemed to be the true sequel to the first one where you killed Hans, the second Die Hard just seemed to be a filler, or unless he was in D.C. trying to return home to N.Y., that's my only guess as to why DH2 was made the way it is.

[Damien_Azreal]

Well, the first and second films had the same director. So they seemed to have a better connection.

[8IronBob]

Yeah, hard to believe that it's almost 20 years between the time the Die Hard series started until now with the fourth, and possibly final Die Hard movie with Willis as the spotlight character.

[Damien_Azreal]

Actually he said he would do a fifth film. ;)

[8IronBob]

Can't believe that he's not getting too old for this type of action already...

[Wamplet]

How was Olyphant?

I thought he did a great job and the preview before the movie showed him in the hitman movie, so i may see that one now.

Why did Vin leave it? :confused:

[Vivi]

Well, the first and second films had the same director. So they seemed to have a better connection.

No, the first and third films had the same directors. John McTiernan.

[Amakou]

No, the first and third films had the same directors. John McTiernan.

So the second had a different director?

No wonder it sucked....

~Amakou~

[The Dukenator]

So the second had a different director?

No wonder it sucked....

~Amakou~
Basically yeah. McTiernan directed Hunt for Red October instead.

[Damien_Azreal]

No, the first and third films had the same directors. John McTiernan.

That's what I meant, don't know why I typed first and second. If you look at a post I did higher up on the page you'll see I got it right in that one.

Don't know what the hell I was thinking when I typed the other one.

[Thief]

Just saw it. Pretty good movie. Some of the action set pieces were insane and Timothy Olyphant is the best villain after Hans Grueber. Willis though seems more like a machine than a human after all the shit he pulled in this one. Hoping for an Unrated/Director's Cut of the DVD.

I saw the Hitman trailer on the big screen and couldn't help but wonder if anyone in the theatre knew Hitman and the Die Hard IV villain were the same actor. I might of heard one person call out, 'It's Hitman!'.

[Wamplet]

Willis though seems more like a machine than a human after all the shit he pulled in this one.


I was thinking that he reminded me of the Terminator throughout the movie as he kept spitting out one-liners and then was constantly chuckling and grunt in glee after each explosion or crash. It was like he was 70 years old and smiled in relief as he pooped his pants.

Kinda funny. :D

[Damien_Azreal]

I took it as he was desensitized to it now... and just went along instead off starring in disbelief.

Still, it felt more solid and was more entertaining than part two.

[echotree]

I liked this movie more than I liked "Transformers"...
I only mention that because those are the only two recent movies I have seen....

However, "Live Free or Die Hard" is a very cool addition to the Die Hard stories. The suspense factor was the only thing lacking; but then again, these days it almost seems like there is a desensitization of human injury that wasn't there in the early 90's.

Didn't anyone notice that John didn't beat down the surviving pilot of that jet? In any other Die Hard picture, that pilot would have been bruised bad...

The film had most of the Die Hard elements: John becomes involved not by choice, he constantly is doing things that he doesn't want to do but MUST do. It becomes personal. The plan remains simple. He gets his ass kicked (by a gorgeous FBI infiltrator)

the make-up is probably the best yet.

In a way, it is somewhat refreshing to not have the hero's speech inundated with profanity. (listen to Die Hard 2 as a comparison)

Mr. Kevin Smith, albeit an extremely popular face, turns out in the film to be a character unlike anything we have ever expected from him. He has some strong potential as an actor.

Who wouldn't want to be in a Die Hard movie. I think he felt the same, and has a fantastic agent.

btw, the circus stunts rival the latest James Bond Movie. Don't you think?:cool:

[Phait]

Didn't anyone notice that John didn't beat down the surviving pilot of that jet?


Were there 2 pilots?

[Scream]

Were there 2 pilots?

No, I think he just meant that the pilot survived, and John didn't beat him down.

Why would he anyway? The idea was that the guy was fooled into trying to take out the truck, and that John understood that. The pilot was just following orders. Plus, the guy ejected a zillion miles away from where John was when the jet "landed", and John had other things to do, so it's not like he was going to go looking for him.

I feel stupid even discussing it, quite honestly. That whole scene was so stupid. :D

[Damien_Azreal]

But yet it still worked in the context of a Die Hard film.

But I agree with Scream here, in the context of the film and that situation... the pilot had done nothing wrong. He had been tricked into attacking the wrong person... he was a good guy.
And John would have gone way out of his way to kill him... plus John would have killed an innocent.

[mon2908]

That's because it's being directed by Len Wiseman(Underworld 1 and 2). Those movies had flying cars as well.....I think. Or maybe Hollywood is trying to ripoff Bollywood movies.

Same method like in all previous Bond movies push the effects this far from realism that the movie isn't worth watching anymore, if you prefer a good story more than any good effects.

Still waiting for the Bourne Ultimatum before I move my ass in the cinema.

[IHerman]

Worthy sequel to the Die Hard series.

I really enjoyed it. Quite a good story for it's genre and cool action that goes over the top, but not too far. Bruce still has it and the sidekick wasn't annoying like they usually are.

The computer stuff in it is total BS, but luckily they don't degrade to all kinds of endless Star Trek/24 tech talk no one cares about.

[Scream]

The computer stuff in it is total BS, but luckily they don't degrade to all kinds of endless Star Trek/24 tech talk no one cares about.

God I HATE that in 24. I wanna kill someone everytime they start spouting that BS.

Jack: "Quick Chloe, open the USB to the firewall bandwidth so I can demodulate the dynamic encryption port!"

Chloe: "Ok, ok...it's done."

[Telee]

Saw it the other day - I liked it more than Die Hard 2 and 3 but Die Hard 1 still remains the best.

[8IronBob]

Yeah, Die Hard 3 seems to be a lot more like GTAIII or TC: NY as far as how the movie seems to play out. I mean, Bruce and Zeus hijack cars, try to do missions that Simon and the Police Commissioner sends them on. Seems like it was movies like this that influenced Rockstar to do a game like GTAIII. I'm hoping that DH IV will bring more game ideas sooner than later.

[Karthik]

Just finished watching DH4. In terms of plot it's better and more memorable than Transformers. In terms of action sequence, I prefer Transformers. In comparison with the other movies in the Die Hard movies I think it's up there with 3. The first....is of course.....the best in the series.

Anyway did anyone notice how Winstead resembles alot like Bonnie Bedelia? Spooky!

[The Dukenator]

I'm not gonna jump into a shit storm and see this film as I hate the theaters nowadays. I will see it later on unrated DVD.

[Ruger]

Wasn't planning on seeing it, but when I found out my mom's new place is near a drive-in theatre(!) that was showing it, I decided to go, mostly for that rare drive-in experience. I was reasonably entertained for the first half, but once the bad guys' secret plan was revealed I lost interest.

The terrorist action as cover for robbery really is wearing thin by now. It's not like Die Hard movies always need to be about robberies; 2 was about rescuing a corrupt South American General from being extradited to the US. I also couldn't help but think of Hans' line from the first flick, "If you steal six hundred dollars, you can just disappear, but if you steal six hundred million they will find you... unless they think you're already dead." How exactly the hell were the Die Hard 4 baddies supposed to get away with this? What were they gonna do with their "billions"? Leave the planet? At least Hans had a halfway clever escape plan.

One nice thing, like Karthik said, the chick they cast as McClane's daughter bore a passing resemblance to Bonnie Bedelia, so you could believe there was some family resemblance. Though I'm sure that was purely coincidence.

[FullMetalJacket]

I thought it was a very, very solid movie. I'd say I still like the first movie the best, then this movie and the third one are tied, and the second movie is the weakest.

I really don't get there this whole "John is an invincible killing machine" thing is coming from. He gets his ass kicked constantly and gets hurt bad, just like in the other three movies. He's covered in blood, he's grunting and groaning, he's limping, and for crying out loud he even shoots himself and definitely reacts in a painful manner. Some of his stunts might seem a little over the top (like driving a car into a helicopter) but I didn't think any of them were much more implausible than jumping off an exploding roof, barefoot, while tied to a fire hose.

I love all the Die Hard movies. :love:

[Damien_Azreal]

Just watched the Uncut version... oh yeah.... that is how it should've been. Me and Bon counted, and they said f**k easily over 25 times, a lot more violence and blood when they shoot people.

Overall a better film. I may never watch the PG-13 cut...ever, the uncut version just feels more like a Die Hard film.

[Paroxysm]

I really don't get there this whole "John is an invincible killing machine" thing is coming from.
Constantly falling distances that would kill him, launching a car at a helicopter, driving a truck trough the walls of a building into an elevator shaft. He basically had a fist fight with a ******* jet(hyperbole).

He may be beat up and blood but none of the other die hard films went anywhere near that stupidly over the top.

[Damien_Azreal]

The Die Hard films were always over the top, and true the first was the most realistic and grounded one... but they got more and more out there with each film.

But I still consider this one much better than Die Hard 2, but not as good as Die Hard 3.

[hellchicken]

The Die Hard films were always over the top, and true the first was the most realistic and grounded one... but they got more and more out there with each film.

But I still consider this one much better than Die Hard 2, but not as good as Die Hard 3.

I agree 100% to that. It's 1, 3, 4, and then 2 for me.

Personally I very much enjoy LFoDH, even not having seen the Unrated cut yet. Can't wait till they release that one here. :)

[Karthik]

Just a fair bit of warning about the unrated version
the blood is CGI.

I'm starting to think that Fox is running some kind scam by releasing watered down movies for theaters and making a quick buck by releasing original and unrated versions of the movie therefore doubling their profits. If this trends continue I wouldn't be surprised if big budget R-rated movies playing in theaters will be a thing of the past.

[hellchicken]

Just a fair bit of warning about the unrated version
the blood is CGI.

I'm starting to think that Fox is running some kind scam by releasing watered down movies for theaters and making a quick buck by releasing original and unrated versions of the movie therefore doubling their profits. If this trends continue I wouldn't be surprised if big budget R-rated movies playing in theaters will be a thing of the past.

According to this site http://www.schnittberichte.com/schnittberichte_special/diehard4.php (sorry, it's all german) the blood has been digitally removed for the PG13 cut and they say it's been restored for the Unrated version.

[Llama Gibbz]

Enjoyed the unrated version.
Effects were unbelievably over top.
But i was expecting that and is what i pay to see in action film.

Also why do they think a side kick is always needed?

[Bludd]

I really liked the film, except for the jet fighter part. I found that to be really dumb.

Other than that, the scene where he kills that ninja chick was highly satisfying.

[FullMetalJacket]

I don't really consider the nature of the blood a spoiler--I have no problem with CGI blood. In Running Scared, there were no squibs at all. Every single bullet impact was digital, and it was damn convincing. Required like a year of postproduction to pull it off though, I heard.

[The Dukenator]

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