Don't like the Harry Potter ending call a help line [Archive]

Sang

07-23-2007, 12:48 PM

I think it's unfair here that in the news this whole CAMPING OUTSIDE TO READ HARRY POTTER thing is "glorified", they're saying "well these are true Harry Potter fans :) :)". That's fine, but when it happens with games it's like "Jesus these are real nerds without a life video games are dangerous because of this addicting effect".

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Phait

07-23-2007, 12:52 PM

At a graphic design forum there's several independent, adult professional people that read the series... I can't believe it.

Kalki

07-23-2007, 01:53 PM

I have read the final book and thought it was very good, plot-holes notwithstanding.

But I've never camped out in queue for anything. Ever. Intarweb download queues are bad enough. I am sickened with the newspaper/media coverage this thing has got. Yeesh.

Paroxysm

07-23-2007, 06:57 PM

Final book was pretty good but the series ended very by the numbers in line with the heroes journey. Epilogue was sickening.

Phait: Why wouldn't you believe it? People enjoy pulp.

Damien_Azreal

07-23-2007, 07:11 PM

And considering the author simply wrote the first book to have an original story to tell her kids. I think the books are very well done, I've seen worse shit come from authors that have been writing for their entire life.

Phait

07-23-2007, 07:23 PM

Final book was pretty good but the series ended very by the numbers in line with the heroes journey. Epilogue was sickening.

Phait: Why wouldn't you believe it? People enjoy pulp.

"a magazine or book printed on rough, low-quality paper made of wood pulp or rags, and usually containing sensational and lurid stories, articles, etc."

HP is pulp?

ShakeItBaby

07-23-2007, 08:17 PM

I quite enjoyed the last book. Predictable, sure, but a solid and satisfying ending. I also thought it was well constructed overall with excitement and escalating tension.

Yatta

07-23-2007, 10:25 PM

I think the book was a masterpiece. The ending was excellent.

Also I'm glad to know a lot of other people in this forum have interest in the book and already finished it this fast, as I do and did. :D

Kalki

07-24-2007, 12:04 AM

Yeah well the book comments ought to be in the Pop. Media forum. :o

Paroxysm

07-24-2007, 12:19 AM

HP is pulp?
Since the terms original conception "pulp" has extended from simply the short adult fiction novels and magazines to be inclusive of all sorts of cheap yet entertaining media.

Phait

07-24-2007, 12:21 AM

Okay.

Anyway, it's just odd to see adults reading books for kids.

Yatta

07-24-2007, 12:28 AM

Okay.

Anyway, it's just odd to see adults reading books for kids.
Harry Potter is Bildungsroman, and hardly a book just for kids anymore once you're past the first three books.

Kalki

07-24-2007, 12:46 AM

Okay.

Anyway, it's just odd to see adults reading books for kids.
If I had time, I'd revisit all my old favorites. There's no real age-barrier for books. It's like comics. Or Star-Trek:TOS where you come to appreciate the hidden sexiness of the episodes as an adult. The Hobbit was a great children's book and is an excellent (and often preferable) precursor to the Lord of the Rings.

Not to mention reading books in general helps build your vocabulary...

Bildungsroman

Deth

07-24-2007, 01:14 AM

I started reading the Harry Potter books when I was younger. Being sixteen now, I don't really enjoy them, and have found that there are much better fantasy books out there.

My grandmother offered to get all the books for me when I was younger, so I don't have to pay for them, but I might as well read them.

ShakeItBaby

07-24-2007, 03:42 AM

Mind you, I thought the long awaited Ron and Hermione pash was handled a bit too anticlimactically.

Aegeri

07-24-2007, 04:05 AM

Mariamus

07-26-2007, 05:54 AM

I liked the last book. turns out a bunch of my theories were true ^_^

I didn't "camp out" for several days, but I did stand in line for an hour at the midnight release here in DK.
I met with a friend in Århus. She was dressed up as a hogwarts student Snape, and I was dressed as Tonks. (mostly becuase my hair is the odd color it is. plus I wanted to show up as someone people probably wouldn't come as. and I was right. I was the only Tonks. hehe)

wayskobfssae

08-01-2007, 01:32 PM

Help lines may not have been set up, but have been needed in the past for numerous obsessions. Suicides centered around the Beatles or the Spice Girls splitting up comes to mind...

Never camped out for anything, but I did show up at the theatre for Revenge of the Sith in the morning and the film didn't start till midnight. And it had nothing to do with trying to get better seats or making sure I got in at all. It was just plain fun. Had my costume and my saber, we dueled, we shot videos, got 'assaulted' by an "anti-nerd group" armed with glowing plastic baseball bats, joked around, debated, etc. It was a total blast! Can't see why Harry Potter would be any different. Who cares that it's geeky and childish if it's fun? Take a lesson from Peter Pan and just let go of BS social norms. If people are going to look down on you for being a Potter nerd, they're the ones who have issues. We could just as soon be a society that makes fun of people who watch Basketball, saying its only a children's game and anyone who plays or watches it after the age of 12 has serious issues. What's "Ok" and "Not Ok" is not defined by some cosmic power, but is merely whatever society feels is right at the time, and this standard changes as frequently as the tides.

Opus131

08-01-2007, 02:36 PM

Who cares that it's geeky and childish if it's fun?

That's a woman point of view. From a rational (masculine) perspective it's geeky, childish and quite frankly, embarrassing. Everybody engaging in such behavior should be shot on sight for the sake of a saner society...

Damien_Azreal

08-01-2007, 03:43 PM

That's a woman point of view. From a rational (masculine) perspective it's geeky, childish and quite frankly, embarrassing.

What an incredibly close-minded, almost sexist thing to say Opus.

Opus131

08-01-2007, 03:57 PM

What an incredibly close-minded, almost sexist thing to say Opus.

It's the bloody truth and you know it.

BillyD

08-01-2007, 04:39 PM

LOL people still care what Opus says and reply to his garbage posts? :doh:

Wayskobfssae, sorry to say but don't hold your breath. Sports in general have been favorable in the eyes of societies since they began. I think Harry Potter will fall out of fashion long long before basketball or any other sport will. Nothing wrong with adults reading the books; more adults need to read something.

Damien_Azreal

08-01-2007, 05:03 PM

It's the bloody truth and you know it.

Actually, believe it or not, I disagree with you. :eek:

People are allowed to do whatever they want... read, watch, and listen to whatever makes them happy. Dress up and camp out for a release... I don't care.
If they want to do it, and it makes them happy... good for them. People should do what they enjoy.

Tis people with rather close minded views on the world that make more and more people hide away and not be themselves. :( I say be yourself, and if someone thinks your an idiot for doing... to bad. You didn't do it for them anyway.

ShadeEX

08-01-2007, 05:23 PM

Everybody engaging in such behavior should be shot on sight for the sake of a saner society...

Ummm NO they shouldn't. Last time I checked it was a free country..

Wich means people are allowed to dress up and camp out for a new book if they so please..

Further more it's just a book.. Shure it may not be William Shakespeare but different people have different tastes..

And liking Harry Potter dosn't make you less of a person..

Opus131

08-01-2007, 06:09 PM

People are allowed to do whatever they want... read, watch, and listen to whatever makes them happy.

Nonsense. Pure feminine relativism. A great society is built upon ideals, things all people should strive to achieve and fight for when challenged. This has been the very building block of western civilization since it's inception, and it's the reason we went as far as we did.

A world where self indulgence becomes paramount and all ideals are eschewed in exchange of mere personal gratification, the road to barbarism and decadence becomes wide open, and that's where we are headed right now.

Phait

08-01-2007, 06:11 PM

Feminine this/that. Do you hate your mother? :p

Damien_Azreal

08-01-2007, 06:16 PM

Nonsense. Pure feminine relativism. A great society is built upon ideals, things all people should strive to achieve and fight for when challenged. This has been the very building block of western civilization since it's inception, and it's the reason we went as far as we did.

A world where self indulgence becomes paramount and all ideals are eschewed in exchange of mere personal gratification, the road to barbarism and decadence becomes wide open, and that's where we are headed right now.

Opus, your logic.... it's amazing you've managed to get by in life with such narrow views. As such, I wash my hands of this thread.

Ignorance I can stand, but idiocy... no.

Opus131

08-01-2007, 06:31 PM

Ummm NO they shouldn't. Last time I checked it was a free country..

My ass. This is the country of liberty, which equals freedom from oppression and persecution, not freedom to indulge in whatever petty personal whim no matter how pointless or wasteful. That's not freedom, that's called parasitism. Don't forget that our civilization is running on a limited lease. The US alone consumes 80% of every available natural resource, and for what, so that a bunch of vapid consuming whores can waist their life pursuing every childish and stupid shit that happens to take their fancy at any given moment?

Think about it for a second. With that kind of natural expense we should have been pushing human progress to it's limits, instead, we have created a global parasitic upper class bent of consumption and self indulgence. The last few things of value we produced are now nearly a century old, and the way things are going they'll probably be forgotten in a few generations, then what?

Opus131

08-01-2007, 06:35 PM

Shure it may not be William Shakespeare but different people have different tastes..

Au contraire, some people have taste, others have none. This is not the issue however. Problems arise when the latter think their opinion is as valid as the first.

Mister_Anderson

08-01-2007, 06:41 PM

Yay! Opus offers an opinion!

My care factor vanishes. :rolleyes:

ShadeEX

08-01-2007, 06:44 PM

And you have taste.. sigh..

Seriously your'e acting like Mortimer McMire, thinking your ohh so smart and better than everyone when in reality your not..

Opus131

08-01-2007, 06:49 PM

Feminine this/that. Do you hate your mother? :p

Ha, shame tactics. The very definition of womanly behavior. The logical leap behind the notion that contempt for overtly feminine traits among contemporary males at large equals contempt for women (even my own mother. BTW, i realize you are speaking in jest, i'm just making a point here) is a breach of one of the most powerful rights among intellectual discourse throughout history: the power of dissent.

Sadly, in a society dominated by feel good moralistic make believe and political correctness it's obvious that any form of disagreement towards the status quo is seen as the outpourings of an evil and abject personality rather then being accepted for what it is, an intellectual digression. That is, it's not because i feel there's some logical fallacy among our current views and upheld standards against which i feel the need to speak (even if i end up being proven wrong), it's because i'm an inconsiderate chauvinist pig who's too morally deficient to understand, right?

I don't know about you, but that feels dangerously close to a full blown Big Brother dictatorship. If you don't accept what we say then you have failed as a moral and upright individual. Is this close to Stalinist propaganda or what?

Opus131

08-01-2007, 06:55 PM

And you have taste.. sigh..

Obviously, yes. Of course, i didn't inherit this gift by default on account of my superior intellect, i had to work for it.

Then again, in a society where everything is centered around instant gratification, having to work to enjoy higher forms of entertainment sounds like a waste of time, doesn't it?

Seriously your'e acting like Mortimer McMire, thinking your ohh so smart and better than everyone when in reality your not..

I'm acting like a rational individual, it is you who are getting overly indignant because of it, much like a woman would. Do i convey a recurrent theme here?

Phait

08-01-2007, 06:56 PM

I don't know, I didn't pay attention in history.

Everytime you write you seem to put a bit too much effort into coming across intelligent, when you could just say outright what you mean. It's a bit annoying having to read your stuff twice to make sure I'm understanding it.

*EDIT* YOur above reply to ShadEX is extremely pompous, unless you're being sarcastic. But god damn..

ShadeEX

08-01-2007, 07:00 PM

Ignorance I can stand, but idiocy... no.

Quoted For Trouth

And with that I leave this thread..

Opus131

08-01-2007, 07:18 PM

Everytime you write you seem to put a bit too much effort into coming across intelligent, when you could just say outright what you mean. It's a bit annoying having to read your stuff twice to make sure I'm understanding it.

I've been reading some pretty archaic literature as of late, i think i may be on a poetic streak (whether i got the vocabulary for it or not, bear with me, English is not my first language, and i'm not much of a poet to begin with).

I've always been of the opinion modern English is a blank, sterile form of communication anyway. People knew how to express themselves better in the old days. The language was plainer, and each argument was conveyed with greater incisive force.

Here's what George Orwell has to say about language:

http://www.ourcivilisation.com/decline/orwell1.htm

And here's the last thing i read today before logging in this board:

http://www.theabsolute.net/misogyny/onwomen.html

Makes sense now? :P

Destructor

08-01-2007, 07:47 PM

I tend to agree with Opus131. The best works of art (i.e. films/books) usually aren't popular. The most popular can be regarded akin to fast food. They can be easily digested but they don't provide much nourishment. Also, making such a hullabaloo about one "franchise" limits one's accessibility to a whole greater world of literature or what-have-you. Why does society make such a big deal about Harry Potter when there probably are a ton of books out there people would enjoy reading more? You can say that at least people are reading. But what's so special about reading anyway? It's not the process of reading that provides stimulation, it's what you ARE reading.

ShakeItBaby

08-01-2007, 09:14 PM

I've just ordered a Sony Reader ebook gadget from the states. It's gonna rock. I've read more than 3,000 books in my life (I average 2 or 3 books a week) and this device will really increase my reading. Gutenberg collection, here I come...

Paroxysm

08-01-2007, 09:17 PM

Ha, shame tactics. The very definition of womanly behavior.

You are amazing

Phait

08-01-2007, 09:28 PM

Nooooo don't coddle his ego! :D

Destructor

08-01-2007, 10:19 PM

Opus131

08-01-2007, 10:24 PM

You are amazing

As the longest standing troll of this forum, i think that's an understatement. :D

Higher Game

08-01-2007, 10:58 PM

Actually, I think popular taste was once better, since many people actually did respect the Dutch painters, etc. It was originally the trendy critics who promoted trashy modern art. Today, the populace now celebrates the talentless garbage called art, and now it's the stodgy critics who want to revive the old style. Well, not the ones who get columns in The Village Voice or other feminist/gay rags, it's mostly bored internet trolls. :D

Women were kept in marriage better when it was about practicality and reality (male values) instead of "adventure" and romanticism (female values). Romanticism means sleeping with the plumber for most women and high art means Harry Potter to the masses. These mindsets have always existed in weak people, but at the very least the practical values of the past kept them in their place. Now people only want short term McComfort, not the genuine pleasure of rising up to a worthy ideal.

"the bourgeois prefer comfort to pleasure, convenience to liberty and a pleasant temperature to the deathly inner consuming fire." -Herman Hesse

Opus131

08-01-2007, 11:02 PM