My real ghost story!

[LiquiD]

I know for most of us it comes down to belief. Do we believe it or not. Well I'm a skeptic and don't believe anything until i experience it myself. Aliens are still a myth and who knows, by probability it seems logical to see a possibility of alien existence. But ghosts are supernatural and thats just pfft... Well not lately!

So it started a few weeks ago. I had a vivid dream that a ghost was in the room. I could feel an eerie presence. By this i mean my body felt different an intensity, my skin, my body felt something. Like a physical instinct. I honestly felt scared. I woke up my heart racing. It was just a dream.

1st encounter: I was in the bathroom the shower curtain closed. And i felt the presence again behind me in the shower. I said in my head and under my breath to confort myself - If you're real then show me - prove to me you're real. You can enter my body. A flashback of whoopie goldberg from ghosts entered my mind so i humoured myself by saying it. Not thinking it could happen.

Last night: I was on my bed about to sleep and around 2am I was in a subcounscious state i presume. But I felt this eerieness I could feel something was behind me. I couldn't turn around immobilised by fear. My skin started getting goosebumps. My girlfriend sleeping next to me facing me asleep. She didn't wake up. I felt something pass through me and it freaked the hell out of me, my heart was racing. I stayed immobilised in bed and eventually fell asleep. I woke up wondering if it was a dream. But I am pretty sure the reality of it is that I had a ghost encounter.

I told my mum and sister today and they said my sister when she was young saw a ghost in the house too. I'm really curious if anyone else has experienced this or am i going crazy? I just needed to vent this out and give some people the facts and let them judge for themselves.

I don't believe ghosts are something we can see or touch but I do now believe that their presence definately can be felt somehow. It's freaky but it's opened my eyes and mind. Now i can't stop thinking about it.

[Sang]

I really wish ghosts were real - and maybe they are but I'll never be able to conclude anything until I experience it myself. Getting goosebumps doesn't necessarily mean there's a ghosts trying to enter your body.

[Dave-ros]

LiquiD, what you've had (other than the shower curtain moving by itself :eek:) sounds a lot like something I get occasionally -- where you wake up but your body doesn't, so for a short time you're paralysed, and for some reason experience a feeling of absolute dread. It's fairly common (I think it's one variety of "night terror"), and could well explain things like ghost encounters, demonic possessions and alien abductions that weren't witnessed by someone else -- it's whatever's "popular" at the time.

But on the other hand, I see no reason for ghosts not to exist -- maybe not as intelligent beings, but more as echoes of people who once lived in a place. Or maybe, as I theorised, humans are actually like "virtual reality" for beings in a higher dimension, and ghosts are the result of contact being terminated suddenly -- they're still trying to make a connection somewhere. Maybe some ghosts are even a cosmic DoS attack :o

[Phait]

I don't know that there are ghosts or not, but one explanation I thought of was this:

If reincarnation is real (which to me seems plausible, but I wouldn't call myself a believer of it) - perhaps ghosts would be the conscience of a dead person, before it found a (newborn) body to call it's home.

[RedSplat]

Ghosts, demons, alien abductions or belief in a god. All neuropsychological.
All 'supernatural' experiences can be reproduced by electrically stimulating specific parts of the brain.
So, blame it on the brain.
Forget about the supernatural, we don't live in caves anymore.
Read a book, do some research, experiment.
Or merely believe and follow, like the majority of the herd.

[Phait]

Oh the irony.

[Sang]

So if you've read a book that makes you an all-knowing guy? Perhaps the authors of certain books wrote their own views on things and not the general truth?

I can't deny that there's at least a part of me that believes in ghosts but until I can be absolutely sure that I have encountered a ghost (and not just a natural phenomenon or an "eye-witness" report) that part will be very small.

That said, I don't see any reason one can absolutely deny the existence of ghosts. I've watched some ghost-related shows on National Geographic and that is where my uncertainity comes from - What the pro-ghost guys say sounds like bogus. But the bad thing is, the counter-arguments of the skeptics are just as unfounded.

I remember a lady reporting she heard the cries of ghosts while diving through an ancient shipwreck. Plausible? Sure, if you have an open mind about that stuff. Undisputable? No, not really. A skeptic said the cries of the ghosts were just whales passing near the shipwreck. Plausible? Yeah - that's certainly a possibility. Undisputable? Well no, how can one be so sure there were, in fact, whales?

So I'm hovering in-between, waiting to be convinced by either "party" ;)

[wayskobfssae]

Ghosts, demons, alien abductions or belief in a god.

Let it be known that the first blow here was struck not by religion...

[Commando Nukem]

Someone already answered this mans question. Its a random spark of paranoia with an onset of half-sleep. Its quite common if you have an odd sleeping schedule, or intake too much caffiene, or are stressed, or do not get a good nights sleep... and many other things can cause it as well.

It is when the concioucness awakens and the body does not. My mother and I have both expierenced it on various occasions. Trying to fight it can sometimes generate odd movements in the body. It is better to not fight it and just relax, and close your eyes. You'll usually wake up a short time later with no ill-will.

i've been able to open my eyes, look around in a very blurry state... everything feels extremely heavy... that is why it is not genuine paralysis... if it was you wouldn't feel ANYTHING. Sometimes poor circulation in the neck can cause this too.

As for Ghosts,Demons and God... Neither proven nor not proven. It takes faith,however with Ghosts there are indeed some scientific studies into their existance, and some very unexplainable energy readings/eletric disturbances found on various wavelengths with no apparent cause.

As for Alien abductions, its entirely possible and there is indeed lot of evidence out there if you do your research... Bob Lazar being one of the most believable men to claim to have seen Extraterrestrial craft during a job at Site 4 I believe it was. Anti-gravity.

[Rider]

I have a friend, and she can occasionally be talking to someone, and suddenly there's "something" next to that person, who then starts to share information about the person she's talking to. Most of these things turn out to be true too.

It's just what you want to believe, a lot of people would have a hundred different logical conclusions about this scenario that don't involve ghosts/spirits/whatever ;)

[ShakeItBaby]

Thought I heard a little girl's voice say "Hello?" in my bathroom the other day. It freaked me out, but I figured it was probably just the door creaking and suggestibility.

[wayskobfssae]

Even for people who don't believe things that go bump in the night as being ghosts, I don't see why its so easy to rule out these phenomena as simply being hallucinations or imagination running wild. There could just as easily be creatures that exist in a different dimension that our senses are only capable of slightly detecting. Doesn't mean they have to be the undead or angels.

[motionblur]

So if you've read a book that makes you an all-knowing guy? Perhaps the authors of certain books wrote their own views on things and not the general truth?


Yes - some may have their own view. But some of those people (the ones I'd rather trust) have done research before they've just written something down. No one has the ultimate knowledge about everything and anything. And even the people who are experts in physics, chemistry, evolution theory or what ever know that things we might think of as fact today may change by evolution of technics and such.
However - as I was saying: they did research and can prove their theories.

[RedSplat]

Oh the irony.

What? Did i post something stupid again? :D

[peoplessi]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis

[wayskobfssae]

However - as I was saying: they did research and can prove their theories.

LOL like how they "proved" that out-of-body experience is all just a trick of the mind by using virtual reality to trick the mind into thinking it was having an out-of-body experience?

http://mysteriousuniverse.org/?p=1475

[Syph]

There are no absolutes in life. Keep your mind open to all possibilities and you can never be wrong

[groovie]

You can enter my body.


Umm... Yeah I wouldnt go around saying this out loud.

[JobivanHiob]

believe it or not. But it is a fact that you had this special "contact".
I do believe in "ghosts" and in reincarnation too. :)
some years ago i had some of those experience e.g. that an other invisible "person" is in the room.
And Red Splat there are things you can't explain scientifically that would be just too easy. Always remember you need to take an other perspective, human mankind isn't the crown of evolution.

[JobivanHiob]

There are no absolutes in life. Keep your mind open to all possibilities and you can never be wrong

wisely spoken, man.

[Llama Gibbz]

Captain Howdy?

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/4910/exorcistef7.jpg

[Commando Nukem]

believe it or not. But it is a fact that you had this special "contact".
I do believe in "ghosts" and in reincarnation too. :)
some years ago i had some of those experience e.g. that an other invisible "person" is in the room.
And Red Splat there are things you can't explain scientifically that would be just too easy. Always remember you need to take an other perspective, human mankind isn't the crown of evolution.

Sleep. Paralysis.

You have a very negative view of human kind, on this planet we are the most advanced creature to exist. How? We have the capacity to dominate over all other life. That makes us superior to all other life on this planet as we have the capacity to take it, change it and remake it with our knowledge. That doesn't imply anything in the morality realm, but it does put us in the highest place of responsibillity on our shoulders, and THAT puts us at the top of the evolutionary chain as far as this planet is concerned.

wisely spoken, man.

Just because it sounds poetic does not mean it is true. There are lots of absolutes in this world. Right is right, wrong is wrong. We're born, we live, we die. Those are definates.

[thefly]

Ve are sa masta vace! o/ o/ o/



1st encounter: I was in the bathroom the shower curtain closed. And i felt the presence again behind me in the shower.

Whoa. Kinky ghost there.

[Syph]

Just because it sounds poetic does not mean it is true. There are lots of absolutes in this world. Right is right, wrong is wrong. We're born, we live, we die. Those are definates.

Right is right and wrong is wrong only from a personal perspective. It could be the total opposite to someone else. And who's to say what we do is really life. There could be so much more to it, possibly previous to birth and after death. Everything people think is based on their own experiences in the aforementioned "life". Nobody knows anything for sure. But then again... I could be wrong ;)

[Commando Nukem]

Right is right and wrong is wrong only from a personal perspective. It could be the total opposite to someone else. And who's to say what we do is really life. There could be so much more to it, possibly previous to birth and after death. Everything people think is based on their own experiences in the aforementioned "life". Nobody knows anything for sure. But then again... I could be wrong ;)

That is inaccurate, however Right and Right and Wrong and Wrong are still defineable even if you want to play the perspective card. People still, who are not insane(Hint: People are insane, and have an opinion, don't COUNT) have a generally similar view of right and wrong. Lying, Stealing, and Mudering are generally the ABCs of a balanced persons morality. The Vagueness is in who follows thier own morality (See : Hypocrisy)

Im breathing a Hydrogen Oxygen Pollutant mix... You still wanna say we don't know things for sure?

Im Caucassion. Im Male. Im 19. I don't know much about higher math. I don't have many books, yet I enjoy reading. I used to think I had something of a similar "Ghost" encounter to the original poster, then I read about sleeping paralysis a few years back and that feeling of having a Ghost (fear) in my room went away.

These are all facts... Im not seeing how there aren't things we KNOW for sure. It just seems like a stab at being poetic without actually having a wholey firm basis for the perception. Sure somethings are based on perception, but there are also somethings that you just plain don't KNOW and must learn about to understand. That doesn't mean your findings are "false"... Afterall our technoligy WORKS, how the HELL do you think that happend? Luck and Chance? No, try Trial and Error. Scientists and Mathetmaticians, Thinkers, learners, Formulators and inventors have brought us everything through scientific study and industrial development. It works, thats a fact... What was learned in the research can be applied and work, so that means its all true, and IS right. Scientists do the research to understand things... I mean are you going to turn around and say that we "don't actually know the Earth is round" for the sake of being arguementive? There is a point where being "open minded" actually becomes close-mindedness.

Sometimes the effect of a nerve being pinched is JUST the effect of a nerve being pinched. Everyone wants to be a hero, to have a great experience, a contact. Meet Aliens, Meet Ghosts... Unfortunatly it rarely ACTUALLY happens. I happen to believe in both, but if theres a scientific or medical explination that fits im not about to believe the paranormal if the normal fits.

[Sang]

When Syph said what he said I'm sure he was referring to supernatural/unsure stuff like this. Even though things like the existence of ghosts are almost impossible to prove, doesn't mean it can't be there.

Sure, science is advanced, but I'm sure there is still progress to be had - and maybe during that progress science will be able to prove the existence of ghosts/god/whathaveyou.

[Commando Nukem]

When Syph said what he said I'm sure he was referring to supernatural/unsure stuff like this. Even though things like the existence of ghosts are almost impossible to prove, doesn't mean it can't be there.

Sure, science is advanced, but I'm sure there is still progress to be had - and maybe during that progress science will be able to prove the existence of ghosts/god/whathaveyou.

Well there are various cameras and recording equipment that can pick up odd electrical disturbances and field fluctuations(a isual example would be an "orb") These displays exist, but whether or not they are ghosts is nearly unprovable. The only way I can see to even prove that would be to initiate some kind of a direct contact, which right now is basically impossible. Thats merely the technoligy limiting us, not that its permantly impossible.

[Sang]

Yeah, that's what I meant. Things that are unprovable now -- well, perhaps they are unprovable because of limitations in knowledge or technology. But that could change.. Sure science has come a long way since the Stone Ages but we're still not omniscient.

[ADM]

I've seen a ghost/spirit. When I was about 12 I woke up to this lady standing next to my bed looking down at me. She was made up of little glowing thingies and they made the shape of this lady.

All I remember though is having this feeling of happiness wash over me and I remember smiling and then falling back to sleep.

It was really weird because I thought I'd freak out if I saw one but it actually turned out to be one of the best feelings I've ever experienced.

So yeah I'm definitely a believer now.

[Sang]

It's eyewitness reports like that that make me believe there are indeed ghosts. But then I see some rebuttals of a sceptic and then the balance shifts again..

For example someone could say "You were 12, perhaps your imagination was wild" (;)) and I'd think "hmm perhaps there are no ghosts?"

Like with everything, I'd have to see it for myself to really believe it.

[Dave-ros]

ADM, was that "happiness" a kind of cosmic peace and understanding, or... something more appropriate to a growing boy seeing a woman in his bedroom? (Depends how old she was, I suppose) :o

[ADM]

ADM, was that "happiness" a kind of cosmic peace and understanding, or... something more appropriate to a growing boy seeing a woman in his bedroom? (Depends how old she was, I suppose) :o
uh, that's just wrong. Do you get turned on by sparkling lights?

[wayskobfssae]

ADM, was that "happiness" a kind of cosmic peace and understanding, or... something more appropriate to a growing boy seeing a woman in his bedroom? (Depends how old she was, I suppose) :o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-tKYYya_2I

[Syph]

That is inaccurate, however Right and Right and Wrong and Wrong are still defineable even if you want to play the perspective card. People still, who are not insane(Hint: People are insane, and have an opinion, don't COUNT) have a generally similar view of right and wrong. Lying, Stealing, and Mudering are generally the ABCs of a balanced persons morality. The Vagueness is in who follows thier own morality (See : Hypocrisy)

Im breathing a Hydrogen Oxygen Pollutant mix... You still wanna say we don't know things for sure?

Im Caucassion. Im Male. Im 19. I don't know much about higher math. I don't have many books, yet I enjoy reading. I used to think I had something of a similar "Ghost" encounter to the original poster, then I read about sleeping paralysis a few years back and that feeling of having a Ghost (fear) in my room went away.

These are all facts... Im not seeing how there aren't things we KNOW for sure. It just seems like a stab at being poetic without actually having a wholey firm basis for the perception. Sure somethings are based on perception, but there are also somethings that you just plain don't KNOW and must learn about to understand. That doesn't mean your findings are "false"... Afterall our technoligy WORKS, how the HELL do you think that happend? Luck and Chance? No, try Trial and Error. Scientists and Mathetmaticians, Thinkers, learners, Formulators and inventors have brought us everything through scientific study and industrial development. It works, thats a fact... What was learned in the research can be applied and work, so that means its all true, and IS right. Scientists do the research to understand things... I mean are you going to turn around and say that we "don't actually know the Earth is round" for the sake of being arguementive? There is a point where being "open minded" actually becomes close-mindedness.

Sometimes the effect of a nerve being pinched is JUST the effect of a nerve being pinched. Everyone wants to be a hero, to have a great experience, a contact. Meet Aliens, Meet Ghosts... Unfortunatly it rarely ACTUALLY happens. I happen to believe in both, but if theres a scientific or medical explination that fits im not about to believe the paranormal if the normal fits.

I'd like to let you know that what I said before is what I'd like to think. My actual beliefs are quite different, much along what yours seem to be. Factual and scientific. I personally don't believe in any religion or afterlife, but there's absolutely nothing I'm convinced 100% on. There's always some chance of error as unlikely, or as far of a stretch as it is. I simply reserve the right to change my mind. Although deep down I feel that the reasonable explanations are right.

[Dave-ros]

Thanks for that, Ways -- pretty much what I was on about, for ADM's purposes. Succubi FTW :D

[bobthefish]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis

thats quite a condition.
ide never want to suffer something like that

[Commando Nukem]

thats quite a condition.
ide never want to suffer something like that

Its not something I certainly look forward to on the occasion it happens, but its not too bad. I mean it usually only lasts a few seconds and feels like part of a nightmare. Once its over you just wake up, sometimes in a bit of a panic. (Like the sensation of having your head held under water).

[Dave-ros]

That's it exactly -- there have been times I've felt like a ghost is trying to smother me or something :eek: :insomnia:

[Oasiz]

Been in sleep paralysis also, I don't recommend on looking forward to it. It is no fun at all. There was a moving 'thing' that moved from my room trough the wall to another room (also featuring a loud hysterical laughter) and after that I was so scared to even sleep. I was about 10 years old back then. I couldn't move, scream or close my eyes. All was real and it was like a ultimate nightmare. Oh, and have fun if you get to have one.

[Sang]

...Dude. I want sleep paralyisis, it sounds awesome.

[Dave-ros]

No you don't, you really don't, it's teh sux0r :eek: :insomnia:

Actually, one time it happened to me twice in one night -- and both times I woke up because I'd suddenly dreamed something so bizarre that I knew it was a dream and jerked back into wakefulness... before my body. Argh!

[Commando Nukem]

...Dude. I want sleep paralyisis, it sounds awesome.

Yeah, No you don't man. Its not awesome. The first time I experienced it I thought I was dying. you try to move a limb and it weighs a thousand pounds, or just won't move at all. Its not pleasant. But out of the many things you can experience in life (losing a limb/actual paralysis/asmpha attack/heart attack/ seizure/prolapse/stroke) its not the worst. Then again its not going to kill you so...

No you don't, you really don't, it's teh sux0r :eek: :insomnia:

Actually, one time it happened to me twice in one night -- and both times I woke up because I'd suddenly dreamed something so bizarre that I knew it was a dream and jerked back into wakefulness... before my body. Argh!

How long ago was that?

[wayskobfssae]

Does sleep paralysis always result in bad hallucinations? You'd think once in a while you might experience something a bit nicer.

[Dave-ros]

That particular incident was somewhere around 2001-2 -- oddly enough, I can remember that the soap opera Neighbours featured a character named Lance, who was trying to get with a girl who was as much of a sci-fi fan as him. Yes, I was unemployed and living with my mother at the time :hhg:

I've been having sleep paralysis since I was a teenager (I remember waking up, lying face-down in bed, feeling my heart throb harder and harder, and then I tried to move and couldn't... argh!), but haven't had it in a while. Will probably suffer again tonight... damn poetic justice :tinyted:

[Commando Nukem]

Does sleep paralysis always result in bad hallucinations? You'd think once in a while you might experience something a bit nicer.

My first experience had a man who looked similar to Noah/Jesus of that era. Y'know Robe/beard standing there looking outward at something. very odd vision. He LOOKED like a ghost.

But most of the time there are no visions accompanied with the experience, it just kinda happens and then you wake up.

[Sang]

Yeah, No you don't man. Its not awesome. The first time I experienced it I thought I was dying. you try to move a limb and it weighs a thousand pounds, or just won't move at all. Its not pleasant.

Oh perhaps it'll be scary but that doesn't mean it can't be awesome. I mean, afterwards I'd be like "HOLY SHIT! THAT WAS UNREAL!" and I'd feel so awesome for having experienced that.

[Commando Nukem]

Oh perhaps it'll be scary but that doesn't mean it can't be awesome. I mean, afterwards I'd be like "HOLY SHIT! THAT WAS UNREAL!" and I'd feel so awesome for having experienced that.

...Its not a natural thing. Its like when a program performs an illegal operation. Its NOT a good thing. Its not the norm, and its not something you'll sit there after experiencing and go "dude, that was awesome."... Its not one of those adrenaline rush things like skiing, skydiving, doing any mind altering agents... Its just plain a reminder that the human body can give out and that we all have a limited time here. At least for me it was a very humbling experience. Not being able to move,speak or even cry out = not fun.

[Dave-ros]

Yeah, I remember when it happened as a teenager, I tried to scream and just heard my voice groaning in the distance :insomnia:

I'm sure that just makes Sang want it to happen even more. Okay then, how about this: if you get sleep paralysis, it means you suck! Ask Bludd, he gets it all the time. It also means you don't want DNF to be released, and in extreme cases it means you're ghey :p

[Burfid]

I used to get that feeling a lot when i was younger. I'd wake up in the middle of the night and swear something was starring at me and i'd start to sweat and panic and usually when i finally opened my eyes to see if anything was actually there my eyes would still be adjusting from suddenly waking up and I would actually see stuff like billowy figures moving towards me or objects on the floor would be moving around and I'd freak out.

But after a few years it just stopped happening so I know it wasn't ghosts just my mind playing tricks on me.:)

[Sang]

At least for me it was a very humbling experience. Not being able to move,speak or even cry out = not fun.

That's because you're a wuss! ;) (just kidding)

But.. it still sounds awesome, even if I'll be scared shitless.

[LiquiD]

By the way this wasn't my first supernatural experience...

Once i had a dream when i was 15 that some kid was getting attacked and was bleeding and looking down at the tiles near black vision from his perspective...

1 year later... I lived it.... It was the ultimate dejavu. I got attacked at the beach by 6 guys. I had a massive street fight. And the moment I was hit and looked down at the tiles with near black vision looking at the blood on my toe i realised this is the ******* dream i had a year ago. It freaked me out moreso than the situation. I swear i thought i was gonna die. I thought that was a near death flash back that you get. Strangely enough I said **** this and fought back and managed to get out of it in spite of that dream. Maybe that dream was infact the reason i fought back. I could have died.

[Sang]

Yeah I did have many déjà vu feelings myself. Dunno how those are caused. I had one 2 days ago actually when I was doing some homework.

edit: After reading about Déjà vu's on Wikipedia it mentions it's just your memory f*cking up.. but I don't think so. When I dream sometimes I see images of a situation (which I later encounter in real life, giving me the déjà vu feeling). I'm a 100% sure these all occured in dreams (and not an "anomaly of the memory"). Of course when you ask me immediately after (before I came across said situation) I won't remember it, but when I do come across it I'll think "hey I dreamt this wtf?"

Aside from that I wonder how on earth you got into a fight with beach bums :p

[Commando Nukem]

Yeah I did have many déjà vu feelings myself. Dunno how those are caused. I had one 2 days ago actually when I was doing some homework.

Its the Baader Meinholfs. The brain looks for patterns and finds them, via memor and experience.

This like a "bug" in the brain, the price we pay if you will, for intelligence. The brain seeks patterns.

[DeeperThought]

So, to sum up. If you suddenly get scared for no particular reason then that's proof of ghosts. If you remember seeing a woman floating over your bed one morning right after you wake up, then that's proof of ghosts (it couldn't possibly be because you weren't fully awake yet). And, of course, deja vu is supernatural. :p

[LiquiD]

I don't remember trying to prove anything... And dejavu might not be supernatural but thats how i categorised it at the time. But ask me in 100 years when we're dead. :O

[Commando Nukem]

Yeah I did have many déjà vu feelings myself. Dunno how those are caused. I had one 2 days ago actually when I was doing some homework.

edit: After reading about Déjà vu's on Wikipedia it mentions it's just your memory f*cking up.. but I don't think so. When I dream sometimes I see images of a situation (which I later encounter in real life, giving me the déjà vu feeling). I'm a 100% sure these all occured in dreams (and not an "anomaly of the memory"). Of course when you ask me immediately after (before I came across said situation) I won't remember it, but when I do come across it I'll think "hey I dreamt this wtf?"

Aside from that I wonder how on earth you got into a fight with beach bums :p

It is more likely that the "dreaming future" bits is some form of human instinct, or a trait evolving that is only "flickering" on and off. The brain then connects the "memory" of the dream with what is happening at the time. This is why Deja Vu happens, but iti s also possible to misremember things retroactively, and your brain can assume the new version of the memory is truth. Our brain has recently been proven after all to be non-linear, which is unlike a computer on so many levels, but still very much of a process of patterns.

[Sang]

It is more likely that the "dreaming future" bits is some form of human instinct, or a trait evolving that is only "flickering" on and off. The brain then connects the "memory" of the dream with what is happening at the time. This is why Deja Vu happens, but iti s also possible to misremember things retroactively, and your brain can assume the new version of the memory is truth. Our brain has recently been proven after all to be non-linear, which is unlike a computer on so many levels, but still very much of a process of patterns.

..wot?

[Buzzer]

Ah the "old hag". I allways experience this when i take a long nap after work, say 2-3 hours. Then when i go to bed, i'm almost certain i'm going to be freaking out all night, half awake, half asleep, paralysed...it doesn't happen anymore lately tough, since i've started sleeping at regular hours.

[wayskobfssae]

It is more likely that the "dreaming future" bits is some form of human instinct, or a trait evolving that is only "flickering" on and off. The brain then connects the "memory" of the dream with what is happening at the time. This is why Deja Vu happens, but iti s also possible to misremember things retroactively, and your brain can assume the new version of the memory is truth. Our brain has recently been proven after all to be non-linear, which is unlike a computer on so many levels, but still very much of a process of patterns.

I really can't tell if you're making a case for or against precognition here.

[DeeperThought]

I really can't tell if you're making a case for or against precognition here.

He's saying precognition is bunk, and offering an alternative explanation. It did sound very sober though, so it's hard to be sure.

[LiquiD]

Ok this is becoming a joke, I had another dream of the same ghost. It keeps entering my body and i keep freezing... Unable to move or screem or fight back no matter how hard I try. Freaky.

[Dave-ros]

If this ghost starts saying in your head: "Bwahaha, fool, you believed those nerds you met on teh Intarnetz when they said I was just 'sleep paralysis'!!!!1", then you can get worried :eek: :insomnia:

[LiquiD]

It's quite eerie and i get confused when i wake up cause it seems so real when i'm dreaming it that I can't tell if i'm dreaming or not. But its not a good feeling being frozen with fear. I guess thats where i should realise its not real. Cause i've never been frozen in fear. I usually can at least fight back or RUN! :O

It reminds me of Jason Scott Lee's movie Dragon with the dream of that demon he has to conquer with the nun chaku's (nun chucks). Do i have to beat the ghost and how?

[wayskobfssae]

If this ghost starts saying in your head: "Bwahaha, fool, you believed those nerds you met on teh Intarnetz when they said I was just 'sleep paralysis'!!!!1", then you can get worried :eek: :insomnia:

And ya gotta be careful what strange phenomena you talk about in here. Half of 3DR's forum members are MIB agents. ;)

[JeremyGritton]

I've experienced sleep paralysis about 10 - 15 times in the last 7 or so years. I'm going to have to go with the majority on this one, it's a pretty awful experience.

It normally occurs when I wake up from a nightmare but my body is still unresponsive. I feel an 'ominous presence' over me or surrounding me, sometimes accompanied with a light hallucination (voices or other sounds). In a few instances I have even felt pressure pushing down on me or from my side.

Calling out for help results in a barely audible groan. Fighting the feelings of paralysis only seems to make it drag out longer, although that's the natural reaction. If I try to fight it, the experience can drag on for up to a minute. So the best solution is to hold tight for a bit and the feeling gradually returns as I fully awaken.

It seems to occur the most during stressful times. Also, I don't know if this is a coincidence or not, but I never started having these experiences until after I had started training myself to lucid dream. While I don't actively lucid dream now, I still get sleep paralysis.

[Commando Nukem]

It seems to occur the most during stressful times. Also, I don't know if this is a coincidence or not, but I never started having these experiences until after I had started training myself to lucid dream. While I don't actively lucid dream now, I still get sleep paralysis.

Odd things are bound to happen when you change your sleeping schedule/attempt things that the body doesn't do naturally at various rates... etc. Sleeping is a very odd part of human life, the recharge... if it doesn't go right with batteries and things of that nature, the batteries usually don't hold their charge... with humans if we don't keep a standard sleeping habit (Thats why i don't sleep IN on weekends anymore) these glitches are gonna happen.