Upcoming Earth Changes in 2012.

[Jeff]

Been poking around the net and it seems that there's some good hard scientific and astronomical evidence to back up this claim.

Some information on this can be found here (http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=1086063457618853214&q=12th+planet&total=70&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1), here (http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=4985958342353708846), and here (http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-966478343062748262). There are many different other sites which have information on this. Some people say it won't happen; some people say it won't be for another several hundred years. I just thought this might be something to bring to the table for people to know about. The date it is supposed to happen according to these Mayan people is December 21st 2012 at 11 AM. I know this might become one of those debate things and if it does, that's why it's in that submissions queue Joe put in.

Thanks for listening. :)

[wayskobfssae]

.... where's element 115?

[Dave-ros]

I'm sure Joe will draw comparisons with The Tenth Planet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tenth_Planet) -- except it's a bit after 1986. Typical, even the Cybermen are 26 years late ;)

Are there any textual links, or just Google/YouTube videos? Any peer-reviewed papers on the subject? I have heard of a "dark star" supposedly wandering the outer Solar System, that may have wiped out the dinosaurs -- is this the same thing?

[John]

I clicked on the first link and my computer automatically rebooted....:eek:


:( The aliens have invaded my motherboards.




It really did reboot, don't hate me for making a joke plz. :(

[Commando Nukem]

Been poking around the net and it seems that there's some good hard scientific and astronomical evidence to back up this claim.

Some information on this can be found here (http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=1086063457618853214&q=12th+planet&total=70&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1), here (http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=4985958342353708846), and here (http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-966478343062748262). There are many different other sites which have information on this. Some people say it won't happen; some people say it won't be for another several hundred years. I just thought this might be something to bring to the table for people to know about. The date it is supposed to happen according to these Mayan people is December 21st 2012 at 11 AM. I know this might become one of those debate things and if it does, that's why it's in that submissions queue Joe put in.

Thanks for listening. :)

That mayan calender thing doesn't mean a damn thing, as if a technologically inferior society had some huge premonisive power to detect the end of the world, and people say im crazy for believing in a God. But this one always gets me.

So the Mayan Calender ends on 2012... So? They had to pick a day/year to stop counting. They probably didn't think THEY were going to make it that long, and they didn't. What if the calender had ended on 1966, or 2224? It doesn't matter.

This is the same crowd that was screaming about Y2K and the end of the world, went got drunk, high and had a party, only to wake up the next day and go "Oh, but the real millenium is actually 2001!... Nothing bad happend either.

Just a buncha crap. If it happens it happens, if it doesn't it doesn't... and it probably won't.

[clayasaurus]

On a somewhat related note:

http://www.metatech.org/Art%20Bell%20Area%2051%20Call.mp3

hrm... :o

[HazMat]

how did this get through the filter? i am not going to your link because we all know what is going to happen here. the same thing that happens to the other humanoid planets out there. total enslavement by a evil secret military industrial complex. people enjoy your freedom and continue your art cause even when were gone those bastards will still use our art. they will think our songs are about them, ha ha ha. PIGS!

[Jeff]

So, it's just some guy playing a prank? Okay, so how do you explain all these professionals making the same claims? Or is it just some Y2K thing like you said that didn't happen?

[Sang]

Hehe, oh great, you tried to start a discussion but in your post you didn't even mention what the hell this is about, just linking to other sites.

[hell-angel]

That mayan calender thing doesn't mean a damn thing, as if a technologically inferior society had some huge premonisive power to detect the end of the world, and people say im crazy for believing in a God. But this one always gets me.

No calendar means a damn thing, but suffice to say that the mayan calendar was just as accurate as our calendar nowadays.

My wife is a mexican diplomat and doing culture and is currently doing a study about mexican history which includes ofcourse the mayans, so that is why I know. :)

So the Mayan Calender ends on 2012... So? They had to pick a day/year to stop counting. They probably didn't think THEY were going to make it that long, and they didn't. What if the calender had ended on 1966, or 2224? It doesn't matter.

Actually, they did, there are still a lot of mexican people who are direct descendants from the Maya's and are still speaking mayan and believing in the same gods and practicing the same rituals. Well, to a certain point of course, nobody is being killed anymore (I guess ;) )

This is the same crowd that was screaming about Y2K and the end of the world, went got drunk, high and had a party, only to wake up the next day and go "Oh, but the real millenium is actually 2001!... Nothing bad happend either.

Yeah, but a nice party it was ;) (Not that I believed in it, but it was still a nice party ;) )


Just a buncha crap. If it happens it happens, if it doesn't it doesn't... and it probably won't.

I couldn't agree more on this :)

[Sang]

I'm on a pretty slow computer here.. but I'd like to understand what you guys are talking about (but due to my PC being slow I can't check the vids) so could somebody actually mention what's being discussed here?

[Phait]

LEGEND HAS IT
That once the Mayan calendar ends (2012) so does the world.

[wayskobfssae]

I think the Y2K theory had more merit, being that we REALLY could have been F'ed had Russia not done a good enough job of updating their software.

Their nuclear arsenal all programmed to assume the command bunkers have been wiped out in the event the targeting computers go offline. Yeah... that could've been a very bad day for the world.

I am kinda curious about the pole-shift idea, but I haven't heard anything technical about why anyone thinks this is going to happen, or how.

[Tang Lung]

The world will not end in 2012 due to an ancient civilizations calender running out...

How on Earth can anyone believe something like that?

[wayskobfssae]

2012 will see the final version of Maya. It will be the end of the 3D world as we know it.

[Mr.Fibbles]

2012 will see the final version of Maya. It will be the end of the 3D world as we know it.
Thats 1. 2 more and you can't talk for the rest of the day. :D

The Mayan calender reaches 0; your point? Years on a calender are arbitrary. There are 4+ different calenders circulating all over the world. 3 in Jerusalem (Christian, Jewish, Muslim) and if there are any Chinese people there, 4.

However, it is possible that something will happen in the astronomical realm on the date which the Mayan calender ends because the Mayans had some complex systems based on the heavenly bodies.
Commando Nukem, I have to say that you are assuming that just because they are older and didn't have computers (at least in the sense we think of them) means they are technologically inferior. There are a lot of things that have taken us decades to figure out and some that we haven't figured out (ie the Pyramids, Sphinx, et al) from the Ancient World. Rome had running water and people were more sanitary in 100 than they were in 1000.

[ZuljinRaynor]

LEGEND HAS IT
That once the Mayan calendar ends (2012) so does the world.

And a new world begins...

[Jeff]

Hehe, oh great, you tried to start a discussion but in your post you didn't even mention what the hell this is about, just linking to other sites.

The discussion is about those videos. The stuff to discuss is in there.

As for heavenly bodies and December 2012, look up Nibiru, or the name Annunaki.

[Telee]

That mayan calender thing doesn't mean a damn thing, as if a technologically inferior society had some huge premonisive power to detect the end of the world, and people say im crazy for believing in a God. But this one always gets me.

So the Mayan Calender ends on 2012... So? They had to pick a day/year to stop counting. They probably didn't think THEY were going to make it that long, and they didn't. What if the calender had ended on 1966, or 2224? It doesn't matter.

This is the same crowd that was screaming about Y2K and the end of the world, went got drunk, high and had a party, only to wake up the next day and go "Oh, but the real millenium is actually 2001!... Nothing bad happend either.

Just a buncha crap. If it happens it happens, if it doesn't it doesn't... and it probably won't.

Exactly how I feel.

[Mr.Fibbles]

As for heavenly bodies and December 2012, look up Nibiru, or the name Annunaki.

Pseudosciences and mythology being turned into science by arguably pseudo scholars. But that doesn't mean it isn't worth discussing.

By 2012, things will be more broken down and such. I suspect that in December 2012 some body in the News Media will get a hold of this and make it out to be so much bigger than it really is. If not, Tom Cruise will. Or Oprah.

[wayskobfssae]

I think the big one is gonna be 2142. A massive ice age is coming in which the survivors will kill one another in attempt to seize the last remaining pieces of habitable land.

[NutWrench]

I'm planning on cruising the post apocalyptic wasteland, looking for gasoline.

And Doritos.

[Mr.Fibbles]

I think the big one is gonna be 2142. A massive ice age is coming in which the survivors will kill one another in attempt to seize the last remaining pieces of habitable land.

War, war never changes. The end of the world occurred pretty much the way we predicted: too many humans, not enough space and resources to go around; the details are trivial and pointless, the reasons, as always, purely human ones. . . .

What's in 2142? I am looking forward to the day the sun explodes and consumes half the solar system as it goes super nova then dies out. Unfortunately, it will never know the joys of being a black hole.

[Tetsuro]

And a new world begins...
A new order!

[ADM]

2012 will see the final version of Maya. It will be the end of the 3D world as we know it.
Haha this made me laugh :p

I'm planning on cruising the post apocalyptic wasteland, looking for gasoline.

And Doritos.
We should have a 3DR meetup. Start enslaving the free world too.

[alexgk]

My aunt really believes this, and she's not Mayan.

[sawn_off]

I'm planning on cruising the post apocalyptic wasteland, looking for gasoline.

And Doritos.

You don't cruise it, stupid! It's a world of water! You sail it, in search of a fabled land, that is dry, and looks like the place from Lost, and Jurassic Park......

[Rider]

So is there any source that has more merit then 3 highly doubtful home-composed videos on the net?

'cause all they do is asserts a few facts (large people, ancient scripture in the form of a bible text) and then make up a fun story about giant man eating angel-babies and how their planet is going to sweep by ours and END TEH WORLD!

[wayskobfssae]

I've noticed books about it at the store and looked at the back of em but was never quite interested enough to actually buy one. I figure its nothing I couldn't catch on Art Bell on the right night.

I don't know anything about this Nibiru thing though. This is what I find interesting.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pole_shift_theory For some reason it has been referenced a lot with the Mayan Calendar ending. No clue why exactly. I never ONCE heard mutterings of this with Y2K.

[Tang Lung]

I seem to recall Nostradamus being quoted during Y2K, something about fire falling fom the sky. Again, people though the world was going to end, and then it didn't...again.

[Phait]

Negrodamus speaks truth however http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KewYOiB0uw

[Sang]

Well I watched one of the vids.. While I don't believe this 12th planet to be inhabited by biblical aliens - the actual idea of there being a 12th planet doesn't seem all that weird to me. Only thing I'm wondering is how, if there is one, it could've broken free from the Sun's gravitational pull?

Also how would this 12th planet passing us again cause huge earthquakes and tsunamis to form? Why would it disrupt magnetic forces? I mean, I thought it was the core of the earth that keeps this planet rotating, not some outside magnetic forces (and I don't see how a passing planet could influence the core)

[Commando Nukem]

Well I watched one of the vids.. While I don't believe this 12th planet to be inhabited by biblical aliens - the actual idea of there being a 12th planet doesn't seem all that weird to me. Only thing I'm wondering is how, if there is one, it could've broken free from the Sun's gravitational pull?

Also how would this 12th planet passing us again cause huge earthquakes and tsunamis to form? Why would it disrupt magnetic forces? I mean, I thought it was the core of the earth that keeps this planet rotating, not some outside magnetic forces (and I don't see how a passing planet could influence the core)

You're forgetting that the other object has a magnetic field.

Get two magnets with a decent strength to em, set one somewhere and throw the other one near it. They'll be drawn to eachother and most likely impact.

The closer two large magnetic bodies are brought to eachother the more they effect eachother.

The moon actually effects our tidal forces, just not nearly as much as a larger body would, its not very strong after all. Its the balance of the two magnetics fields that keeps the moon from drift away or crashing into us.

[Sang]

Well.. then only my question "how did it escape the sun" remains. It probably would have to have a great velocity (or a giant mass) to be able to do that.. But why would its velocity/mass be so big in that case?

[Dave-ros]

Who says it's escaped the Sun? It can just be on a very, very, very long elliptical orbit ;)

Better question: why is it the 12th planet?! We don't even have nine official planets any more! :p

[Sang]

Well if it would pass the Earth as closely as the vid makes me believe then one end of its orbit would be rather close to the Sun. So to get to the other end of the orbit it would have to get away from the Sun (and I'm wondering how that is possible)

[Dave-ros]

That's not beyond the realms of possibility -- there are comets that do the same thing, though perhaps not with quite the same period. In fact, the implication is that it's almost interstellar :eek:

[wayskobfssae]

If this planet is only 5 years out, wouldn't someone have noticed it by now?

[Dave-ros]

One idiot at the first YouTube link said he's been able to see it near the Sun for ages... which suggests it's mirroring the Earth's movements in its orbit, otherwise it wouldn't appear to stay near the Sun, would it?

I'm sure most people knew he was an idiot when I said "YouTube" -- not exactly the place for measured debate ;)

[wayskobfssae]

One idiot at the first YouTube link said he's been able to see it near the Sun for ages... which suggests it's mirroring the Earth's movements in its orbit, otherwise it wouldn't appear to stay near the Sun, would it?

That being the case would mean that its in a decaying orbit, spiraling closer to the sun every year, and just happens to perpetually be in conjunction during all this time. But then, how would it ever be able to make a pass near Earth if its always on the backside of the sun?

I guess the Angels of Death will fire some gigantic manuvering thrusters at the optimal moment and shift its orbit...

[Dave-ros]

Are you saying it's the.............. Counter-Earth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter-Earth)?!? :eek:

[Mr.Fibbles]

12th planet, you say? First there were 9, then there was 8; and suddenly we have 12?!!

If it was 5 years out, even traveling at light speed, I think we would be able to see it coming closer; I mean, we can see the other end of the galaxy and that has to say something.
There would also be noticeable shifts in other planets orbits etc; and global warming does not count as "proof" that something is fidging with our magnetic field.

[Dave-ros]

I was once doing a project on the outer Solar System, and I read an article online (which should give you the first clue :p) that Uranus's magnetic field being extremely offset from its rotation axis "proved" there was a miniature sun inside. At this point I should have realised, but I pressed on, and read that this furthermore proved that the Garden of Eden was inside the planet. I felt like calling up the writer and saying "you're talking out of Uranus!" :doh:

[Mr.Fibbles]

Wait, wait, wait, are you saying that Uranus has a strange magnetic pull? That explains everything. . .

[wayskobfssae]

Wait, wait, wait, are you saying that Uranus has a strange magnetic pull? That explains everything. . .

Would this be a good time to crack a joke about bizarre sexual attractions?

[Nessus]

2012 holds a lot of astrological significance and the Mayans master astronomers that they were could predict alignments thousands of years into the future. That day will mean nothing, no natural event will take place and the world will keep on spinning.

The only real question is will an unnatural event take place? The billionaire rulers of our world who belong to the groups like Council on Foreign Relations, Bilderberg and the banking families often are members of organizations like the Masons and Rosicrucians and other similar groups. These people love to play with numbers, anagrams and astrological dates. And they have the money and power to do dam near anything. Will hey have a little fun that day?

My guess is nothing will come of any of this and it will be just another day.

[Nessus]

Oops, double post.

[HazMat]

ha ha i just set the year for my mod to take place in 2012. here is threadLOOK (http://forums.3drealms.com/vb/showthread.php?t=28601)

[The Red Slaughter]

No, it's not gonna end in 2012. It's going to end in October 23, 2077.

[Cubanito Loco]

People already spoke about a disaster on the year 2005, with the planets aligning and gravity *****n up...IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

[Nessus]

People already spoke about a disaster on the year 2005, with the planets aligning and gravity *****n up...IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

Heh, I remember that one, X-files even mentioned and the guy on the show wanted to live in Ohio because he calculated it the safest place to survive natural disaster.

The way I see it the only credible threat we face is a large asteroid or comet strike. That or a virulent infectious disease.

[Mr.Fibbles]

The way I see it the only credible threat we face is a large asteroid or comet strike. That or a virulent infectious disease.

Don't forget ourselves. One world leader gets Nuke happy, the whole world goes to Hell in a hand basket.

[HazMat]

Prsident Isenhower warned that the military industrial complex is quickly becoming our greatest threat as a civilization and they are hard at work taking over the key roles that rule the world. That was like 50 years ago.


edit, ok he said something like this as his last speech to the country as president, it was like his farewell warning.

iam not afraid of some religious freak in a cave with a bomb or some asteroid or some old calender. Palpatine said it best in Star Wars "those who gain power are afraid to loose power" and this would be even more so if the one in power had criminal affairs while in power.

[Destroyer]

eh this is still 5 years away. I will think about it in 4 years.

[wayskobfssae]

Palpatine said it best in Star Wars "those who gain power are afraid to loose power" and this would be even more so if the one in power had criminal affairs while in power.

*coughclintoncough*

*snicker*

[HazMat]

Clinton had a young lady under his desk, i am more afraid of a leader who dont have a young lady under his desk. that is hardly criminal. She was not there against her will or anything. the guy was normal. I wonder how many secretly gay dudes have held the office? Clinton wouldnt be on that list.
Why cant we have a leader who didn't go to yale? When was the last time we had a leader who didnt go to yale? What is so special about yale? Is there some kind of secret group or something there? Anywho "if" there is another election i bet you 1 dollar that the person went to yale. keyword there is IF.

[Mr.Fibbles]

A person who can't be committed and honest in a personal relationship, can't be committed and honest in larger matters such as policy and such.

My Grandad taught Law with Bill and Hillary at Arkansas University, and he says of the two, Hillary is the smarter. However, of the two, Bill is certainly the better speaker and more charismatic.

Supposedly being a Yale or Harvard or some other Ivy League school grad means you are smart or something. . . I don't buy it though.

[HazMat]

edited this post and bailed from this thread, peace out bra

[clayasaurus]

Is there some kind of secret group or something there?

Yes, there is. It's called "Skull and Bones" and both Bush and Kerry have admitted to being members of it on video.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/10/02/60minutes/main576332.shtml
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pUogbYkoHc

The goal of its group is to get its members in key positions of power.

[IHerman]

Life isn't that spectacular. It is what it is and stuff like this comes and goes all the time.

[Sang]

Anywho "if" there is another election i bet you 1 dollar that the person went to yale. keyword there is IF.

Uh, why IF? It's not like George W. Bush is just gonna change the constitution.

[wayskobfssae]

Yes, there is. It's called "Skull and Bones" and both Bush and Kerry have admitted to being members of it on video.

The goal of its group is to get its members in key positions of power.

I read about this terribly evil sinister group. The media circus made a complete joke of themselves by whining about Skull & Bones. You might as well claim that the YMCA is trying to take over the world. Only problem is the YMCA doesn't have a Villianish-sounding name that's so easy to point fingers at.

Better keep an eye out for those Hells' Angels. They're the couriers of Skull and Bones. :p

[clayasaurus]

What makes the Skull in Bones a little bit different than YMCA or Hells Angels is that they are not secret societies, and the president doesn't belong to them.

A speech from JFK that may change your views on secret societies: http://millercenter.virginia.edu/scripps/digitalarchive/speeches/spe_1961_0427_kennedy

An excerpt, for the lazy:

For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence--on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations.

its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried, not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed. It conducts the Cold War, in short, with a war-time discipline no democracy would ever hope or wish to match.

[Nessus]

For decades Skull and Bones has had some of the most powerful men in the country as members, they are hardly on par with Hells Angels.

The thing with Skull and bones is that they are pretty far down the chain when you start looking into the conspiracies of powerful men. The top of the pyramid is the banking families, the shareholders of the Federal Reserve who have raked in 100's of billions on that one racket alone. If you follow Ron Paul's campaign you'll' notice there is an organized effort by American media to keep him from public attention. The Federal Reserve shareholders hate his guts.

[HazMat]

I read about this terribly evil sinister group. The media circus made a complete joke of themselves by whining about Skull & Bones. You might as well claim that the YMCA is trying to take over the world. Only problem is the YMCA doesn't have a Villianish-sounding name that's so easy to point fingers at.

Better keep an eye out for those Hells' Angels. They're the couriers of Skull and Bones. :p

This is a clear example of how they have goons everywhere keeping the finger on the pulse of society debunking truth. How much blood, how many tears, how many people will suffer because of the greed of these mega rich secret societies. We have become like the sleeping victim. The day that art dies is the day that they do..what they do...to us.

[wayskobfssae]

They're so secret that even CBS talks about them.

The day that art dies is the day that they do..what they do...to us.

Umm... what... dude, go play some Revolution X, cuz music is our only weapon against "the man" :p

[Jeff]

Are you guys talking about these multi-national corporations that my mom mentioned to me once? She's not a conspiracy nut, but she did take some political science courses and the like when she was getting her Bachelor of Social Work degree. Said they run the world and people like George Bush are their puppets they toy with.

[HazMat]

yeah music is good, the best is from the 70s before everything got commercialized. I think it is in the human nature for bullies to take over. Iam sure in the caveman days the big brute of the tribe took what he wanted. Were are just at a advanced age of the same thing. When you try to see around the corner where this is heading it is easy to see all of the human race or whats left of the human race serving one "industrial military complex". I am sure that if there are other humanoid worlds out there that they would go through the same thing. We are part of the universe and this is our evolution. I do feel however that after "the man" makes his finale grab for our enslavement the death of creating art will die for a long while. I just except it as evolution now and prey that there will be a future for my son. he is good at sports and it makes me happy to see him try so hard to be the best.

[Sang]

Guys guys.. focus? 12th planet plzkthx

[dan2091]

edit, oops... watching two threats at a time... so ashamed... Don't believe about all this by the way....

Only GOD knows when the end of the world will happen...

[wayskobfssae]

Satan knows too. Muahahahahahahaaaaaaaaah! :p

[Mr.Fibbles]

Satan is rooting for the Cubs. :p
He was rooting for the Red Soxs in 03 but the Cubs have to win a World Series too. Saddam is down there too.

[wayskobfssae]

Gawd, I keep forgetting that. Poor Satan must have a sore bum by now.

[Jeff]

Guys guys.. focus? 12th planet plzkthx

Think my fears have been put to rest about that. At least for now. Thanks guys.

[wayskobfssae]

Think my fears have been put to rest about that. At least for now. Thanks guys.

Planet 9 is the real threat. Mainly cuz it isn't planet 9 anymore. The disgrace is so unbearable that it's gonna commit murder/suicide, by crashing itself into Earth.

[Jiminator]

"sometimes you feel like a nut....."

[Jeff]

Planet 9 is the real threat. Mainly cuz it isn't planet 9 anymore. The disgrace is so unbearable that it's gonna commit murder/suicide, by crashing itself into Earth.

The 9th planet is Pluto isn't it? I can't remember. I know Earth is the 3rd one from the Sun.

[Commando Nukem]

The 9th planet is Pluto isn't it? I can't remember. I know Earth is the 3rd one from the Sun.

Okay class here we go!

http://www.ioncmaste.ca/homepage/resources/web_resources/CSA_Astro9/files/images/unit4/solar_system.jpg

Pluto is no longer a "planet" though (we miss ya bud! :( )

[Mr.Fibbles]

The 9th planet is Pluto isn't it? I can't remember. I know Earth is the 3rd one from the Sun.

My Very Educated Mother Just Served Us Nine (Pizzas)
Mercury Neptune Earth Mars Jupiter Saturn Uranus Neptune (Pluto)

[Cubanito Loco]

Venus?

[Mr.Fibbles]

I skipped that one. My bad. It must be the. . .yeah. It is Saturday night.

My Very Educated Mother. . .
Mercury Venus Earth. . .

[Dave-ros]

Change the end to "...Just Served Us Noodles" and you're fine ;)

However, even under the old cosmology of Pluto being the 9th planet, my question stands: what are the 10th and 11th planets? Or did the guy who came up with this theory think Space Battleship Yamato/Star Blazers was correct when it had a 10th planet (now an asteroid belt) and an 11th planet? :o

[wayskobfssae]

Change the end to "...Just Served Us Noodles" and you're fine ;)

However, even under the old cosmology of Pluto being the 9th planet, my question stands: what are the 10th and 11th planets? Or did the guy who came up with this theory think Space Battleship Yamato/Star Blazers was correct when it had a 10th planet (now an asteroid belt) and an 11th planet? :o

While they've been tossing around the new definition of planets, Ceres (our systems's largest asteroid) was being considered for planet status, and I feel like there was something else too but can't remember what.

[Jiminator]

the whole planet debate is stupid. some of jupiters moons are big enough to be considered planets, they just have the misfortune of orbiting jupiter instead of the sun.

[Mr.Fibbles]

the whole planet debate is stupid. some of jupiters moons are big enough to be considered planets, they just have the misfortune of orbiting jupiter instead of the sun.

There is nothing wrong with orbiting Jupiter, it is a fine gas ball. I think, maybe, we have the misfortune of orbiting the sun instead of Saturn (which is actually hotter than our sun)

[Nessus]

Wait a minute Jupiter is hotter than the sun? I know it has moons covered in ice, how far could they possibly be from the planet being that it is much smaller than the sun? They must be closer to Jupiter than earth is to the sun which would mean Jupter is generating way less heat than the sun is.

[wayskobfssae]

Wait a minute Saturn is hotter than the sun? I know it has moons covered in ice, how far could they possibly be from the planet being that it is much smaller than the sun? They must be closer to Saturn than earth is to the sun which would mean Saturn is generating way less heat than the sun is.

If Saturn is that hot, wouldn't be a hell of a lot brighter? And isn't one of the prime pieces of evidence against life in the outer rim that it's way too cold out there? Does this not include Saturn's moons?

[Nessus]

Exactly, there is no planet that generates anywhere near the suns heat.

[Sang]

Being as hot as/hotter than the sun doesn't necessarily mean all that heat is being radiated. Or something.

[thefly]

The thing with Skull and bones is that they are pretty far down the chain when you start looking into the conspiracies of powerful men. The top of the pyramid is the banking families, the shareholders of the Federal Reserve who have raked in 100's of billions on that one racket alone. If you follow Ron Paul's campaign you'll' notice there is an organized effort by American media to keep him from public attention. The Federal Reserve shareholders hate his guts.

Don't forget the five Jew bankers that control international finances.

[Jiminator]

for jupiter, it radiates twice the amount of energy that it receives from the sun.
Of course considering how far out it is, that is not a lot of energy for its satellites.

explanation here:
http://www.geocentricity.com/ba1/no70/jupenerg.html

it would be good to terraform them one day.
hopefully man is not all there is within a dead universe...

[wayskobfssae]

for jupiter, it radiates twice the amount of energy that it receives from the sun.
Of course considering how far out it is, that is not a lot of energy for its satellites.

it would be good to terraform them one day.
hopefully man is not all there is within a dead universe...

Not really hard to fathom, considering how active Jupiter is and how much gas and pressure there is on such planets. Apparently if you could look at it without the sun around, you'd see that Jupiter also mildly emits its own light.

I've heard numerous times that gas giants are "wannabe" stars, but they have nowhere near enough material to work with.

[HazMat]

I heard from some homeless guy who was washing my windscreen that Jupiter will someday suck up another helium planet then light up like a star. I would have to think the solar system is indeed capable of becoming a binary system someday.

[Nessus]

Don't forget the five Jew bankers that control international finances.


How could I forget? Everytime banking is mentioned you make sure and remind us. As if all discussions of the role of the banking houses in pushing us towards globalism should now be silenced because you said "5 Jew bankers."

[wayskobfssae]

Meh, who cares if its the "jew bankers" or not. Just generally nuking capitalism would solve plenty of the world's problems.

[HazMat]

edited this post then ran in fear from the mayn calander because of its influence in operation cloverleaf

[Mr.Fibbles]

I just want to be the first to say that this thread has gone a bit too far down the anti-semetic route and I do not approve.
This is about the Mayan calender and the coming "end" in 2012.

[thefly]

How could I forget? Everytime banking is mentioned you make sure and remind us. As if all discussions of the role of the banking houses in pushing us towards globalism should now be silenced because you said "5 Jew bankers."

You are just afraid of the real truth. You try to convince yourself with pathetic conspiracy ideas when the truth has always been there looking you in the face. The best place to hide the truth is in the open. You play into their hands. So sad. I pity you.

[rockmanekuzu8]

You think that's scary, check out the LUCIFER PROJECT at my page video:

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=rockmx8

[Commando Nukem]

You think that's scary, check out the LUCIFER PROJECT at my page video:

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=rockmx8


Lets Recap.

NASA, is purposely screwing with planetary bodies by detonating hujass(OMFG x3168012351951278512.7 sizes bigger then our biggest detonated nukes! OMFG OMFG OMFOGMOMOMG!) bombs on em.

NASA is going to kill millions (it'll be billions because A. Radiation does not descriminate and B. Radiation does NOT descriminate, if a radiation SHOWER occurs you can blanket entire areas as no mans land. Billions, not millions.).

So what you're saying is a no BS organisation like nasa devoted to space exploration and discovery is purposely going to cause a gigantic gravitational, radial and explosive change in our solar system? Risking the destruction of the human race?

Sorry. don't by it, The people at NASA are smarter then any of us. Just because you can sit behind a computer and edit footage together with ominious/sad/mysterious music and these "fun fact" trivia line ups does not mean that NASA INTENDS to agitate the creation of a second star within our system.

Heres the question. What would they gain? They'd wipe most of us out and destroy nearly all the life on Earth in the process, not to mention wreck havoc with the gravity of all planets in the process.

Y'know what rockmanekuzu8 go back to talking about how awesome Duke is, you were funny then. Now you just sound damn crazy. Whether you edited it or not, you posted it. Thats far enough acrossed the line.

Then again, when none of this happens it'll either be "we managed to convince them to not by bringing their conspiracy to the surface!!!!!" or "---" Silence.

Nuts.

[wayskobfssae]

You are just afraid of the real truth. You try to convince yourself with pathetic conspiracy ideas when the truth has always been there looking you in the face. The best place to hide the truth is in the open. You play into their hands. So sad. I pity you.

Ok dude, you can put on a white hood or something and go hunt down the Jew Bankers. I'll sit here and laugh when the video clip of the attack chopper that gunned down your Anti-5-Jew-Banker-Death-Squad.

Actually maybe they won't do it that way. They're so filthy rich that they'll just dump stacks of $1.00 bills on you until the weight of it crushes you. And then since they're so rich and can afford to lose billions, they'll pour gasoline over it and ignite it, just to make sure everyone at the bottom of the money pile is really dead.

[Dave-ros]

Project Lucifer... wasn't that the aliens' plan in 2010: Odyssey Two? :hhg:
They dumped loads of Tycho Monoliths into Jupiter and turned it into a small star, enough to heat up Europa to allow life to develop... and the people of Earth called the new star "Lucifer", unless I'm misremembering :o

[Nessus]

Lucifer actually translates to "light bringer" or "light bearer."

Anyone who is interested in the astrology surrounding why 2012 is important and you don't understand astronomical concepts like the precession of the equinoxes there is a great video that shows it all simply while also showing how Christianity is based on Sun worship and the old Pagan religions.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/intel/showdoc.aspx?i=3038&p=15
Just open that link and fast forward to 10 minutes in where it really starts, the whole first section is about astrolonomy and it's relation to religions both ancient and modern. The rest of it after that is conspiracy stuff.

[Mr.Fibbles]

how Christianity is based on Sun worship and the old Pagan religions.

Essentially all religions are based on Sun worship, or at least sky deities. The Jewish religion was originally rooted in that, with YHWH as the Sky/Storm god and as the most powerful. The rainbow is His bow, lightning being His weapon.

Christianity is rooted (based) in Hellenized Judaism (Judaism after Alexander). By that time, Judaism had more fully developed Monotheism and was only minutely, if at all, influenced by the local Roman/Greek/Egyptian religion.
There is obvious influence of Platonic thought in Christianity (particularly by the 2nd and 3rd century). But there is no evidence of paganism in the "orthodoxy" of Christianity. Early ideas formulated from Neo Platonic thought (namely Arian) were polytheistic in thought and were condemned (namely in the Council of Nicaea of 325).

In brief (and not to continue a breach from the topic):
They should do more research before making claims.

Also, the link is to a computer part you were buying. That said, I am answering to the quoted statement, not the video I haven't seen because it isn't linked.

[oak man]

The world will end when I say it does :cool:

[Nessus]

Also, the link is to a computer part you were buying.

:doh: Although as far as posting a wrong link goes it could have been much worse. . .

Here is what I meant to post http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

Fast forward the first ten minutes, it's all fluff and then ignore the rest of the video once it switches to modern times. The exposition of Christianity's basis in the sun and astronomy is very well done here.

[Sang]

I asked some astronomes (is that the right word? You know, people who know a lot about space and shit) about this issue today and they said it's bullcrap.. SO LET'S ALL TRUST THE EXPERTS BLINDLY, nothing to see here k thx

[wayskobfssae]

Anyone ever see this before?

The Red Planet is about to be spectacular!

This month and next, Earth is catching up with Mars in an encounter that will culminate in the closest approach between the two planets in recorded history. The next time Mars may come this close is in 2287. Due to the way Jupiter's gravity tugs on Mars and perturbs its orbit, astronomers can only be certain that Mars has not come this close to Earth in the Last 5,000 years, but it may be as long as 60,000 years before it happens again.

The encounter will culminate on August 27th when Mars comes to within 34,649,589 miles of Earth and will be (next to the moon) the brightest object in the night sky. It will attain a magnitude of - 2.9 and will appear 25.11 arc seconds wide. At a modest 75-power magnification Mars will look as large as the full moon to the naked eye .

Mars will be easy to spot. At the beginning of August it will rise in the east at 10p.m. and reach its azimuth at about 3 a.m.

By the end of August when the two planets are closest , Mars will rise at nightfall and reach its highest point in the sky at 12:30a.m. That's pretty convenient to see something that no human being has seen in recorded history. So, mark your calendar at the beginning of August to see Mars grow progressively brighter and brighter throughout the month.

Share this with your children and grandchildren.

NO ONE ALIVE TODAY WILL EVER SEE THIS AGAIN

I have seen this frigging thing circulate EVERY summer for at least the past 5 years, and it has always been BS.

[Nessus]

Anyone ever see this before?


I have seen this frigging thing circulate EVERY summer for at least the past 5 years, and it has always been BS.

Didn't that actually happen just a few years back? I seem to remember Mars being at it's closest point pretty recently, I remember looking at it in my yard.

[wayskobfssae]

Didn't that actually happen just a few years back? I seem to remember Mars being at it's closest point pretty recently, I remember looking at it in my yard.

Technically Mars did reach a closest point but barely moreso than any other time Mars has swung close to Earth. Nothing very spectacular about it. It'd be like advertising 100,000 meteors per hour during the Leonid storm.

[Nessus]

Well yes and no, it's the closest in 60,000 years.

"The Red Planet is getting progressively closer to Earth with each passing night, and consequently it will slowly appear to grow larger and brighter [story/animations]. By late August 2003, when it will be about 191 million miles closer, the reddish point of light in our night sky will appear more than six times larger and shine some 85 times brighter than it appears now.

At 5:51 a.m. EDT on Aug. 27, 2003, Mars will be within 34,646,418 miles (55,758,006 kilometers) of Earth. This will be the closest that Mars has come to"



But... It's gets close every 17 years or so and yeah the last one was the closest in a long time but only by about 3% closer than in the it was in the 1980's, not really much of difference as far as looking with a telescope goes. Still it's kind of cool.

[Dave-ros]

When it says in the link that Mars would look as big as the Moon to the naked eye, did they mean it would look that big through a telescope, or that in the sky it would appear as big as the Moon does?! I'm sure Mars never gets close enough to look like anything other than a red/pink point of light to the naked eye ;)

[hell-angel]

You know, I remember the pentagon saying that in 2012 the netherlands will be underwater for more then 50%.

My guess is they are wrong as usually. ;)

[hell-angel]

:doh: Although as far as posting a wrong link goes it could have been much worse. . .

Here is what I meant to post http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

Fast forward the first ten minutes, it's all fluff and then ignore the rest of the video once it switches to modern times. The exposition of Christianity's basis in the sun and astronomy is very well done here.

Yeah, that one is pretty good. It also takes a small crack at the other religions but mostly at Christianity.
The rest is still interesting though and there might be some basic truth in it, although not completely of course. ;)

[Sang]

You know, I remember the pentagon saying that in 2012 the netherlands will be underwater for more then 50%.

My guess is they are wrong as usually. ;)

I doubt it'll be that big but a lot of The Netherlands is below sea level (at least I think so?).. Global Warming would make the sea level rise, thus much of The Netherlands would be flooded, non?

[hell-angel]

Well, although most of the netherlands is below sea level. The water still has to rise several meters because of the dams and dykes (no, not the womens ;) ) and the incredibly big waterpumps we have laying around.

Besides, all the water was once taken out by simple windmills. I think the netherlands is pretty save. Saver then most countries I guess ;)

Still, some parts might be flooded but that is to prevent cities to be flooded :)

[Sang]

Well it's true that the Dutch have really great protection from the sea.. but (in the event that...) - will it be enough?

[Mr.Fibbles]

New Orleans thought it was safe too. . .

[hell-angel]

Well, we can handle a few meter. Not 10 meters or so though ;)

As for New Orleans
1) We don't have tornado's (yet ;) )
2) We are far better with water (protection and control) then the U.S. sorry, but that is the way it just is. You may think we are not but we are. Still, we have to be on guard though because water is very tricky and the battle will never be won. ;)

[wayskobfssae]

I still keep wondering how Manhattan would fare if somehow a Category 4 managed to make landfall that far north.

[Commando Nukem]

2) We are far better with water (protection and control) then the U.S. sorry, but that is the way it just is. You may think we are not but we are. Still, we have to be on guard though because water is very tricky and the battle will never be won. ;)

No, sorry its not. ;)


I reiterate what I've said previously. 2012 is just another date. Nothing will change at midnight January 1st 2012. Nothing. We'll wake up. most of us hung over, and the rest of us laughing our asses off because we knew nothing bad would happen. Good luck cleaning up the broken glass after the end of the world party imho.

[wayskobfssae]

Why is it always assumed that if a certain year will be an armageddon-bringer that it MUST happen on New Years Day? :p

[Destroyer]

haha good point.

[biXen]

We'll all die in a clog of CO2 from big uglyass SUVs long before that :P

[Sang]

No, sorry its not. ;)


What is not? Water isn't tricky?

[Mr.Fibbles]

What is not? Water isn't tricky?

He is talking about US superiority. . .

Water is tricky, it does things to your vision. I see the fish, but I can't hit the fish. Tricky water. . .

[Commando Nukem]

Why is it always assumed that if a certain year will be an armageddon-bringer that it MUST happen on New Years Day? :p

Because Hollywood says so!

We'll all die in a clog of CO2 from big uglyass SUVs long before that :P

OH NOES! NOT THE ESS U VEES!

He is talking about US superiority. . .

Water is tricky, it does things to your vision. I see the fish, but I can't hit the fish. Tricky water. . .

What? I can't have my smug now? He can but I cannot? Whats a little harmless smug against neurally allied nations?

[Mr.Fibbles]

What? I can't have my smug now? He can but I cannot? Whats a little harmless smug against neurally allied nations?
I did not say that you were being smug, I just said that you were talking about the US being the bestest nation. I can see how the ". . ." can be taken as negative towards you, but it wasn't meant that way.
I am all for US superiority, I just wish we had it in other places. Like the economy for example. The US economy sucks right now. I still can't believe the US dollar is worth less than the Canadian dollar?!
There are other things the US should focus on in the superiority department. I guess safety from water is a good one.

[wayskobfssae]

I guess safety from water is a good one.

Safety from Capitalism would be better. :D

[Commando Nukem]

Safety from Capitalism would be better. :D

Capitalism is safer then a democratic republic. Capitalism is sum of efforts, democratic is majority rules. Together it is the sum of the majority rules the efforts. :)

[Mr.Fibbles]

I thought it was the rich rule?

[Sang]

Capitalism is safer then a democratic republic.

But.. isn't the US a capitalist democratic republic?

[wayskobfssae]

But.. isn't the US a capitalist democratic republic?

They got the layering backwards. Democracy should control the Capitalism. Instead, Capitalism controls the Democracy.

[Nessus]

I still keep wondering how Manhattan would fare if somehow a Category 4 managed to make landfall that far north.

Pretty badly. The subways would flood, that alone would cost a fortune. Then you would have all of the broken windows and facades torn off of high rises, billboards, it would be a mess. Not to mention NYC is filled with very old trees and they're all next to power lines because both the trees and power lines are everywhere. We wouldn't even need a hurricane, one good storm with 70mph+ winds would cost NYC and long island an astronomical amount of money to cleanup just the tree and powerline damage alone. We haven't had a good storm in a long time which would make it all the more worse.

[John]

That mayan calender thing doesn't mean a damn thing, as if a technologically inferior society had some huge premonisive power to detect the end of the world, and people say im crazy for believing in a God. But this one always gets me.
.

Yeah, i'm sure Jesus was enjoying his gameboy and mp3 players.

Heh, sorry, I'm not even disagreeing with you, but what you wrote here is ironically mindbaffling. That's right, mindbaffling.


Also, political system =! economic system. (In reference to your "capitalism is safer than democratic-republic") That may be hard to see by today's standards but they are not the same.

[Nessus]

I find discussions on capitalism and democracy amusing in regards to the modern day United States. It's all just words. We are a country run by shareholders of the Federal Reserve Bank and the corporations and entities that have grown up around it. Until people are willing to deal with that fact it's not going to make any difference who gets elected.

[clayasaurus]

I could, in a way, keep this thread on track by mentioning, there are a lot of theories about 2012, and I'm sure some of them are disinfo, and some of them are genuinely interesting. Here are 2 interesting one's that kind of coincide.

Ian Xel Lungold - Talks about consciousness and the meaning of what the Mayan calender means for humanity. If you notice a quickening of time, if you feel like things are moving a lot faster than is normal, these video's will explain why.

Part 1: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8689261981090121097
Part 2: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-567329528148516232

Michael Tsarion talks about consciousness, psychology, and what the year 2012 means for our system.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8545585184878490822

Enjoy ;)

[thefly]

I find discussions on capitalism and democracy amusing in regards to the modern day United States. It's all just words. We are a country run by shareholders of the Federal Reserve Bank and the corporations and entities that have grown up around it.

TFJB!

[HazMat]

what is the owl on the dollar bill for? who are those old dudes who circle the owl in robes with young men? would they really use biological weapons in a grasp at total world power? Stay tuned to the history channel for a complete recap of the twenty first century.

[Nessus]

TFJB!

Yep, Tryanny Focused Jail Bait. The secret cabal of larcenous lolitas determined to sink the republic.

[December Man]

Teh end of teh werld is comeng! Oho noese! Git buck and runf!


:p

[ShakeItBaby]

There are other things the US should focus on in the superiority department.

Fatassery?
Monotonous celebrity worship?
Sexual hypocrisy?
Televangelist scamming?

Oh wait... :)

[wayskobfssae]

Sexual hypocrisy?

Not disagreeing you, whatever it is you're probably right, but I'm trying to think up a clear definition of this and failing miserably :p

[Commando Nukem]

Fatassery?
Monotonous celebrity worship?
Sexual hypocrisy?
Televangelist scamming?

Oh wait... :)

1. Some are, most of the people I know keep themselves in relatively good shape. My parents not withstanding, and I myself am only about five pounds over the weight for my age. I've got a good exercise routine which helps.

2. I know of no one who actually worships celeberties. In fact, most of us spend the better part of our time laughing at them, and wondering just how the Hell they get away with Half the stuff they do (Britney just ran over ANOTHER dudes foot... Why isn't this woman in jail?)

3. Im not even quite sure I know what this means.

4. Well come on, every nation has this situation. You choke their power just by not watching or contributing, if people by into it, it is only they that are corrupted. You just ignore what they do and it has no effect on you.

As for 2012, some say the end of the world is coming. I being a believer know it says in The bible that some of us will be called away, body and soul to the heavens, and the rest will endure the destruction of Earth. I happen to be of the crowd that thinks this can be averted based on how we conduct ourselves... and by averted I mean indefinately postponed based on how sinful or sinless we are. The more we let immorality plague us, the closer our end becomes. This is true both scientifiical and religiously speaking. Thinking about it, with every "right" we give to one group, we tie the hands of the rest, and as that happens we are making more and more laws harder to defend, and making it harder to punish people who commit crimes. We're making it easier to commit crimes, we're starting to teach our extremely young people things they just cannot handle at such a young age, we're taking rights away from parents and giving them to the government. Taking land rights away from citizens and giving it to corporations... Its all wrong. If there was anything I could agree with Ron Paul about, its that citizens should not have to worry about their rights to THEIR land.

[wayskobfssae]

2. I know of no one who actually worships celeberties. In fact, most of us spend the better part of our time laughing at them, and wondering just how the Hell they get away with Half the stuff they do (Britney just ran over ANOTHER dudes foot... Why isn't this woman in jail?)

Would YOU put a deity in jail? Seriously though.. you think nobody's worshipping these people? *cough* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDDEhLw1PVI

And whaddya know, after this little fiasco that twerp gets granted his own reality show. I seem to remember that the holy books say martyrdom and fanatisicm will be greatly rewarded. What a wonderful world we live in. :doh:

[Commando Nukem]

Would YOU put a deity in jail? Seriously though.. you think nobody's worshipping these people? *cough* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDDEhLw1PVI

And whaddya know, after this little fiasco that twerp gets granted his own reality show. I seem to remember that the holy books say martyrdom and fanatisicm will be greatly rewarded. What a wonderful world we live in. :doh:

That ... "guy"(?) is just a crybaby. I never gave him the time a day, and all the people who parody him are giving him fuel. The guy is a freak, and overt-emo and just needs to be ignored, his opinion just needs to not be given such publicity. What about the other side of the story? What about all these things that most of these celebs do, like DUI and so forth, and get off SCOTT FREE. If it were any of us middle classers, we'd be thrown in jail for a few days, fined... We would not walk away scott free.

[ShakeItBaby]

Not disagreeing you, whatever it is you're probably right, but I'm trying to think up a clear definition of this and failing miserably :p

Yeah, probably an unclear choice of words. The concept I was thinking of was the bizarre dichotomy (that's probably a clearer word than hypocrisy) where half the population hangs all out for hookers and strippers and porn, and the other half gets on the phone to their lawyers the minute Janet Jackson has a wardrobe malfunction on TV.

Anyway, whichever interpretation leads to the conclusion that I'm just taking the piss for a joke, that's the correct one. :D

[Sang]

Speaking of jail and celebrities.. Whatever happened with Paris Hilton? She was in jail for like a week or something. On one side people want to treat everyone equal but then there's dumbasses that say "oh you're just throwing Paris in jail because you hate her".

Myself I can't take any Hollywood celebrity seriously (outside of their movies, but even then) which is why I refer to them all as "Fags". ;)

[John]

You could make an argument that some bands were "worshipped" in the 60s...like, oh I don't know, a british invasion band who forgot to comb their hair. :p Or a bluesy man who sang others' songs and shook his hips. :D


There are obviously some smart actors/actresses out there with intelligence and common sense, it's just you won't see those people doing anything stupid on camera so you don't hear about them that much. It's usually the typical "britney/paris/etc." crap.

[wayskobfssae]

I vaguely seem to remember something about a special suicide hotline being created in GB when the Spice Girls split up..

[Dave-ros]

Don't remember it happening when the Spice Girls split up, but you'd be forgiven for thinking the world had ended when Diana died -- ugh, the hypocritical outpouring of grief from people and tabloids that had been calling her a filthy whore the night before! :doh:

(Which makes me wonder if the same thing will happen when Paris stands too close to a radiator and melts :p)

[Tang Lung]

Don't remember it happening when the Spice Girls split up, but you'd be forgiven for thinking the world had ended when Diana died -- ugh, the hypocritical outpouring of grief from people and tabloids that had been calling her a filthy whore the night before! :doh:


Talking of conspiracies..

Actually..the only conspiracy about Diana's death that I think is real is that the Media would find one person crying about it and report it as 1000 people..

[Dave-ros]

No! It was the Duke of Edinburgh in a white Fiat! :p

[wayskobfssae]

Don't remember it happening when the Spice Girls split up, but you'd be forgiven for thinking the world had ended when Diana died -- ugh, the hypocritical outpouring of grief from people and tabloids that had been calling her a filthy whore the night before! :doh:

(Which makes me wonder if the same thing will happen when Paris stands too close to a radiator and melts :p)

Anna Nicole Smith:

During life... filthy whore who exploited the lust of the world to its fullest
After death... poor frightened little girl who had a stroke of bad luck and just needed a big hug from someone (or insert now cliche'd lyrics of famous Elton John song for Marylin Monroe then rewritten for Princess Dianna)

Yeah, the media will have us bawling and circling all the way around the block the drop flowers at the place where poor Paris has her fatal DWI crash.

[ShakeItBaby]

When Diana died, my girlfriend at the time was living with a male roommate who turned out to be the freakiest celebrity fan I've ever seen. This guy was full on bawling his eyes out for WEEKS, wearing an Akubra hat with photos of Diana stapled to the hatband, photos all over his bedroom walls, he even made a cake with RIP DIANA iced all over it, no exaggeration. He was a total (but hilarious to watch) twist. Makes that Leave-Britney-Alone guy look like a respectable art critic.

My own reaction to the Diana death:

Mum: Did you hear about Diana? She's dead!
Me: Diana who?
Mum: Princess Diana!
Me: Oh. Right. <shrug> Okay. <resume playing Quake>

:)

[Nessus]

You could make an argument that some bands were "worshipped" in the 60s...like, oh I don't know, a british invasion band who forgot to comb their hair. :p Or a bluesy man who sang others' songs and shook his hips. :D


Very true. But the celebs back then had a bit more substance at least to me looking back on that era. There are people with substance and intelligence today but are they as famous as their counterparts of years ago? The mainstream is clearly in bad shape. Who is the modern equivalent to John Wayne, Clint Eastwood and Charles Bronson? Who could play those roles today and make us believe it? Is there anyone with the charisma of Elvis, Sinatra or Marilyn that has their level of fame? It's like Hollywood and the media go out of their way to promote mediocrity.

[Theonewayman]

I could, in a way, keep this thread on track by mentioning, there are a lot of theories about 2012, and I'm sure some of them are disinfo, and some of them are genuinely interesting. Here are 2 interesting one's that kind of coincide.

Ian Xel Lungold - Talks about consciousness and the meaning of what the Mayan calender means for humanity. If you notice a quickening of time, if you feel like things are moving a lot faster than is normal, these video's will explain why.

Part 1: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8689261981090121097
Part 2: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-567329528148516232

Michael Tsarion talks about consciousness, psychology, and what the year 2012 means for our system.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8545585184878490822

Enjoy ;)


First thanks for the videos they are a cool to watch, i only saw the first two i must say but i learn a bite from them, now in the end of the talk ( the part were Ian IMO lost any credibility) Ian talked about ET's and that in 2006 we would contacted them but were are they? I didn't saw them and we are in the end of 2007, talking of 2007 he said it would be the year when all means of mechanical transportation would be put aside by the invention of Tele-Transportation (Startrek) but were is it? He also said that by 2010 time travel will be a reality but from IMO that is bull****. Oh and i also forgot that he said that 2006/2007 would be the year of free energie for everyone but unfortunately he and the Mayan shamans were wrong. :doh:

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I didn't saw them and we are in the end of 2007, talking of 2007 he said it would be the year when all means of mechanical transportation would be put aside by the invention of Tele-Transportation (Startrek) but were is it? He also said that by 2010 time travel will be a reality but from IMO that is bull****. Oh and i also forgot that he said that 2006/2007 would be the year of free energie for everyone but unfortunately he and the Mayan shamans were wrong. :doh:

Either that or Texaco was reading the prophecies too and decided to murder the inventors when they were still children.