DNF Multiplayer

[Micki!]

As we know, 3DRealms are mainly focusing on DNF's singleplayer mode...

And since it would be a shame only to have a great singleplayer experience, with a medicore multiplayer...
I thought that if there should be ANYTHING different from DNF's multiplayer compared to other games, 3DR should add at least this thing in DNF's mutliplayer mode: Humor and interactivity (sorry if you already have this in DNF... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif)
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As for humor i have this to add:

<font color="orange">- When kicking someone from a server, it should be like: "[Player's] ass got kicked because he teamkilled [player]"
- I want Duke quotes to be an option... Either Auto, Off or Manual (manual could be key assigned, like taunts... And Auto could also add a oneliner for each MP start... Although, it should be optional too)
- Many different skins, or even NEW models...</font>
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Please concider this idea 3DR... Most people would surely like it...

As for interactivity, it's self-explaining... This could include anytihing from Traps, to flushing toilets... the rest could be some stuff from the 'interactivity' thread...
That's all... Please post your unique MP ideas here... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

<font color="orange"> [NOTE: I want you to take this thread seriously, so please don't post too much silly stuff, that you know won't be in DNF... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif] </font>

[Descent]

Yeah, that would be really cool, but are they actually working on a multiplayer part?

[Micki!]

Descent said:
Yeah, that would be really cool, but are they actually working on a multiplayer part?


Yes... In fact, George once said that they had some fun with some Dukematches some time ago...
It also included them eating a Pizza together... But that's inrelevant... (anyone who can find that quote..?! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif)

[Descent]

Micki! said:

Descent said:
Yeah, that would be really cool, but are they actually working on a multiplayer part?


Yes... In fact, George once said that they had some fun with some Dukematches some time ago...
It also included them eating a Pizza together... But that's inrelevant... (anyone who can find that quote..?! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif)



Hmm this one?


George Broussard said:
>>12) What do you put on your pizza?

We ordered Dominoe'swhen we were in line for Episode 3 the other day. Got a large cheese, peperoni, and supreme.



I hope 3DR looks into this and actually adds some humor and interactivity into the MP mod, maybe even a co-op mod for the battlelord? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

[SyntaxN]

Anyone knows how players will be supported btw?

[Micki!]

SyntaxN said:
Anyone knows how players will be supported btw?



I know I know... Here's an example:
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Player 1: "Help, i don't have anymore weapons..!)
Player 2: "Don't worry, here's a pipebomb...)
Player 1: "Thanks i needed tha... BOOM!!!"
Player 2: "Sorry, forgot that the detonator auto changes after throwing one... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif"
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http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif Sorry, couldn't resist... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

[Descent]

Micki! said:

SyntaxN said:
Anyone knows how players will be supported btw?



I know I know... Here's an example:
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Player 1: "Help, i don't have anymore weapons..!)
Player 2: "Don't worry, here's a pipebomb...)
Player 1: "Thanks i needed tha... BOOM!!!"
Player 2: "Sorry, forgot that the detonator auto changes after throwing one... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif"
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http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif Sorry, couldn't resist... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif



HAHAHAHA, nice one!! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
But there can't be an auto detonator? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

[Micki!]

Descent said:

Micki! said:

SyntaxN said:
Anyone knows how players will be supported btw?



I know I know... Here's an example:
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Player 1: "Help, i don't have anymore weapons..!)
Player 2: "Don't worry, here's a pipebomb...)
Player 1: "Thanks i needed tha... BOOM!!!"
Player 2: "Sorry, forgot that the detonator auto changes after throwing one... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif"
---
http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif Sorry, couldn't resist... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif



HAHAHAHA, nice one!! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
But there can't be an auto detonator? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif



That's not what i meant... In Duke3D, your detonator is in use right after throwing a pipebomb... and the guy in my joke accidently pressed the trigger... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hhg.gif

Anyways... PLEASE START POSTING SOME STUFF!!! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

[Descent]

"Accidently" wow that's an interesting word! hahaha http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hhg.gif

[Mr.Sociopath]

in multiplayer they could do a abusive use of the shrinking feature.. a mode where a giant duke as to crush small opponnents which are trying to set giant trap for the duke or something.. or just survival..

a coop survival mode could be nice too.. it wouldn't be like "real coop" mode.. but only a mode where you fight hordes of ennemies(bots and/or other players playing roles of badass of their choice)

actually the possibility to choose between a good range of creatures..if not everyone, would be great..there could be good balancing to be done though.. maybe on the form of respawn-time.. if you want to be a battlelord, your respawn time would be of like 4 minutes.. respawn time for regular duke would be of 30 secondes.. respawn time of regular liz trooper , would be 20 seconds.. and protozoid slimer..like 1 seconds http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

..and actually unrelated, a mode(or simply an option) where there is no possibility of respawn is important to me..it always makes "life" more important..so it's more intense gameplay.. in vietcong i really liked multiplayer for the great number of no-respawn gameplay match..

else than that.. something like GTA-duke :multiplayer, would be great.. but i guess that won,t happen in that game..

but a level where we can ride free in a kind of big city, with at least respawning(if not, bought http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif) vehicules, and maybe some pedestrian, respawning or not..that would be nice.. but..man.. no geo-mod is in the game http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif..!!! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinyted.gif

also a scoreboard would be a nice thing to look at from time to time..with more detailed info..like number of killed pedestrian if any.. number of head shots.. groin shots..vehicules destroyed.. number of drank cola.. and all with titles associated..

and as in Kingpin(maybe other games did that ..don't know) when new skins and new maps were detected , it downloaded them automatically if the player allowed that feature.. I think it is great.. so everyone can access easily your stuff, view your personnalised character(mostly if we aren't forced to take duke in multiplayer), and play in your own map, so it is more player-friendly.. every multiplayerr games should have that..

i think that's about it for now..

[woodchunkz]

Well the spider bots from UT2K4 is a good idea. Since it will "definatly" be made from that engine I suppose that means less work.

[big fat lazy]

Micki! said:
<font color="orange">
- Many different skins, or even NEW models...</font>



Stripper skins!

[Mr.Sociopath]

big fat lazy said:

Micki! said:
<font color="orange">
- Many different skins, or even NEW models...</font>



Stripper skins!



don't forget auto-download(like kingpin http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif) custom-made nude skins (and maps of course..) feature!

[woodchunkz]

Yeah I have a homer skin in Kingpin. But instead of downloading the skins I imagine they would have stripper skins in DNF already http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[hell-angel]

In the 2k1 video we saw Duke operating a crane,IF that is still in I would like to be able to have a crane bombing match:
-pick up an explosive barrel (or something) with the crane
-swing the crane around and release the barrel on the right time to hit another crane with the barrel.
-Upon a hit the other crane explodes. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
-The last one in a crane wins. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[SyntaxN]

I don´t think they will build in such exotic mp modes, George also said that they don´t have the time to do that http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif


"UT2K4 took a full team a year and a half to develop. I think it's fair and safe to say that we won't go as far as they did in multiplayer. We just don't have the time or team size to do that."

[hell-angel]

SyntaxN said:
I don´t think they will build in such exotic mp modes, George also said that they don´t have the time to do that http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif


"UT2K4 took a full team a year and a half to develop. I think it's fair and safe to say that we won't go as far as they did in multiplayer. We just don't have the time or team size to do that."





I know, but it would be fun though. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

But personally I buy DNF for the SP version, the MP stuff is just an added bonus. If I want to play online, I play UT. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Micki!]

hell-angel said:

SyntaxN said:
I don´t think they will build in such exotic mp modes, George also said that they don´t have the time to do that http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif


"UT2K4 took a full team a year and a half to develop. I think it's fair and safe to say that we won't go as far as they did in multiplayer. We just don't have the time or team size to do that."





I know, but it would be fun though. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

But personally I buy DNF for the SP version, the MP stuff is just an added bonus. If I want to play online, I play UT. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



And if anyone is good enough in making mods, PLEASE INCLUDE THE ABOVE FEATURES!!! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[hell-angel]

Micki! said:

hell-angel said:

SyntaxN said:
I don´t think they will build in such exotic mp modes, George also said that they don´t have the time to do that http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif


"UT2K4 took a full team a year and a half to develop. I think it's fair and safe to say that we won't go as far as they did in multiplayer. We just don't have the time or team size to do that."





I know, but it would be fun though. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

But personally I buy DNF for the SP version, the MP stuff is just an added bonus. If I want to play online, I play UT. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



And if anyone is good enough in making mods, PLEASE INCLUDE THE ABOVE FEATURES!!! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif



http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif Please do. *beg* (that would be some serious modding though. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif )

[Asmodeusz]

One thing I surely hope will be in MP is a bot match possibility. I like to train on bots and get to know the map before playing on LAN.

[hell-angel]

Asmodeusz said:
One thing I surely hope will be in MP is a bot match possibility. I like to train on bots and get to know the map before playing on LAN.



They have said in the past that they said up death matches between bots to test the AI, don't know if that's still in though.

[SyntaxN]

That was in the 2001 version, but I hope they will include bots again!

[hell-angel]

SyntaxN said:
That was in the 2001 version, but I hope they will include bots again!



Yeah, I thought so, but I wasn't sure. thanks. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[woodchunkz]

Frankly I hate it when people creat games with bots online only. It is so ***** annoying. They just leave the game but it's still running with those annoying ***** bots. Singleplayer and Multiplayer are the same!! UGH it ***** frustraits me. If they were going to have bots then why not just put a "Bot match" thing in the main menu or a "Practice" in the main menu instead of getting the main server flooded with all these ***** annoying bot games!

[hell-angel]

woodchunkz said:
Frankly I hate it when people creat games with bots online only. It is so ***** annoying. They just leave the game but it's still running with those annoying ***** bots. Singleplayer and Multiplayer are the same!! UGH it ***** frustraits me. If they were going to have bots then why not just put a "Bot match" thing in the main menu or a "Practice" in the main menu instead of getting the main server flooded with all these ***** annoying bot games!



I agree, it's annoying, but for offline practice it's perfect. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[woodchunkz]

Hell yeah Hell angel. Finally someone agrees with me!!

[woodchunkz]

For some reason this auto posted the same mesage. Sorry, can't deleat http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[Tim. Just Tim.]

Yea I ****ing hate bots too. If your going to be playing against bots online, you might as well get offline and play single player.

[Micki!]

i wonder how the MP levels are in DNF..
Will they be UT like..?! Or maybe more freedom... I hope there are buildings which can be entered, and a logical 'limit' for the level... (Not some invisible wall in the middle of the desert...)

And i also wonder if there'll be any Vehicles in DNF's MP... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif If so, which one would you like to see..?
George..! I wouldn't mind if you stated anything of the above here... Please... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[SyntaxN]

What about object physics in multiplayer?
I think it is really usefull in CSS and in HL2 http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[hell-angel]

SyntaxN said:
What about object physics in multiplayer?
I think it is really usefull in CSS and in HL2 http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif



I assume that's in. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Micki!]

hell-angel said:

SyntaxN said:
What about object physics in multiplayer?
I think it is really usefull in CSS and in HL2 http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif



I assume that's in. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif


It has to... What is the meaning of getting a next gen physics engine when it's only used on player models..?!

P.S. I asked about vehicles... Don't you guys have any thoughts/guess's..?! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif
And what MP modes would be fun..?! I wonder if team-DM is fitting to DNF... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

[SyntaxN]

This stuff with the vehicles is a problem imo, they said they don´t have so much time, so I don´t think they will build something like onslaught!
I hope they will build in ctf, dm, tdm... the normal stuff, but at least one "advanced" thing should be in, something like assault or an objective based mode http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
They could use the vehicles there!
btw, are vehicles confirmed for the final version? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif
I don´t heared something about them since the 2001 version....

[Micki!]

Multiplayer on a Harley... That would rock... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
I hope they'll come up with thier own kind of MP mode (whatever that could be http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif)

[AdelaeR]

I think taunts like in Duke3D multiplayer should be in DNF but:

if anyone is allowed to taunt as much as he likes ... we'll all go mad hearing the 14-year olds taunting like raving lunies ... so basicly Duke should only be able to taunt whenever he has reached enough"charisma-points" or something like that ... so after a good killing-streak when your charisma reaches 100% you can then Taunt the other players on the server and say something like "I'm all outa gum!"

[someguy2435]

auto taunts like in UT http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Micki!]

AdelaeR said:
I think taunts like in Duke3D multiplayer should be in DNF but:

if anyone is allowed to taunt as much as he likes ... we'll all go mad hearing the 14-year olds taunting like raving lunies ... so basicly Duke should only be able to taunt whenever he has reached enough"charisma-points" or something like that ... so after a good killing-streak when your charisma reaches 100% you can then Taunt the other players on the server and say something like "I'm all outa gum!"



That's a quite good idea... I prefer 'frags' or 'points' instead of charisma though... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[Imfamous]

Micki! said:
As we know, 3DRealms are mainly focusing on DNF's singleplayer mode...





Thank goodness for that. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif I'm sick of companies half-assing SP and putting all efforts into MP.

As for vehicles in MP? I think that would ruin the fun that is what made Duke 3D's multi such a blast. Jetpack is the only vehicle I want.

[hell-angel]

Micki! said:
Multiplayer on a Harley... That would rock... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
I hope they'll come up with thier own kind of MP mode (whatever that could be http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif)



Capture the babe on harleys. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif

[Micki!]

hell-angel said:

Micki! said:
Multiplayer on a Harley... That would rock... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
I hope they'll come up with thier own kind of MP mode (whatever that could be http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif)



Capture the babe on harleys. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif

Yeah Capture the Babe is one of the MP mode suggestions...

Are there others..?! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif I really can't find anything that fits to a Duke game...

[guardian653]

I don't know about the rest of you, but I would like it if they added a co-op; just about everyone else have dm and tdm. Then again I would rather have a great sp experience http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Kristian Joensen]

Read the sticky. There will be no Co-op.

[Beelze]

Did we really need another multiplayer thread?

[hell-angel]

Beelze said:
Did we really need another multiplayer thread?



Yes, so we can talk about what kind of babes we want to capture on our harleys. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hhg.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dopefish.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Dutch]

I wonder if you get to ride a harley like in the old video...

[Beelze]

Why not resurrect one of the old multiplayer threads? If they're still retreivable, that is.

[Micki!]

Beelze said:
Why not resurrect one of the old multiplayer threads? If they're still retreivable, that is.



My thread is about making DNF's multiplayer different from other Multiplayer games (Read: my first post)... Non of the old MP threads had this... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif (i would have mentioned the 'different' part on the subject, but there wasn't enough space for it... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif)

[Contra]

oh man you knw what would be so funny? They could add this in single player too, after you kill your opponent, if you are nearby a tiolet, you can stick'em in an flush'em down lol.

[Micki!]

Contra said:
oh man you knw what would be so funny? They could add this in single player too, after you kill your opponent, if you are nearby a tiolet, you can stick'em in an flush'em down lol.


Yeah, to gain EGO/health... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

These kinds of taunts will most likely not happen though... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[Beelze]

Well, I saw nothing in your post that wouldn't have fit perfectly in any of the older MP threads. Oh, well...

[Gatinater]

The hell will multiplay. These days you either make a multiplayer game or a singleplayer game. And only few games can pull of COOP, such as the Novalogic games.

Deathmatch is obsolete and that's Duke's multiplay could offer.

[avatar_58]

Gatinater said:
The hell will multiplay. These days you either make a multiplayer game or a singleplayer game. And only few games can pull of COOP, such as the Novalogic games.

Deathmatch is obsolete and that's Duke's multiplay could offer.



Bullshit. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif Just look at FEAR. Great Deathmatch and the videos of Singleplayer look amazing. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif Deathmatch will be back, how do you feel its outdated? I would rather spend 1 round in classic deathmatch than 10 in a team based or major tactical game.

[hell-angel]

avatar_58 said:

Gatinater said:
The hell will multiplay. These days you either make a multiplayer game or a singleplayer game. And only few games can pull of COOP, such as the Novalogic games.

Deathmatch is obsolete and that's Duke's multiplay could offer.



Bullshit. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif Just look at FEAR. Great Deathmatch and the videos of Singleplayer look amazing. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif Deathmatch will be back, how do you feel its outdated? I would rather spend 1 round in classic deathmatch than 10 in a team based or major tactical game.



Agreed, nothing beats a good death match in a fast map with instagib. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Cerberus_e]

hell-angel said:

avatar_58 said:

Gatinater said:
The hell will multiplay. These days you either make a multiplayer game or a singleplayer game. And only few games can pull of COOP, such as the Novalogic games.

Deathmatch is obsolete and that's Duke's multiplay could offer.



Bullshit. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif Just look at FEAR. Great Deathmatch and the videos of Singleplayer look amazing. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif Deathmatch will be back, how do you feel its outdated? I would rather spend 1 round in classic deathmatch than 10 in a team based or major tactical game.



Agreed, nothing beats a good death match in a fast map with instagib. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



also agreed, but objective can also be fun, like return to castle wolfenstein and mohaa http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
in return to castle wolfenstein you have immediate respawns! in one level of mohaa (omaha beach) too.
that makes it immediately fun http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

so for me, I like any multiplayer with immediate respawns http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[hell-angel]

Cerberus_e said:

hell-angel said:

avatar_58 said:

Gatinater said:
The hell will multiplay. These days you either make a multiplayer game or a singleplayer game. And only few games can pull of COOP, such as the Novalogic games.

Deathmatch is obsolete and that's Duke's multiplay could offer.



Bullshit. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif Just look at FEAR. Great Deathmatch and the videos of Singleplayer look amazing. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif Deathmatch will be back, how do you feel its outdated? I would rather spend 1 round in classic deathmatch than 10 in a team based or major tactical game.



Agreed, nothing beats a good death match in a fast map with instagib. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



also agreed, but objective can also be fun, like return to castle wolfenstein and mohaa http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
in return to castle wolfenstein you have immediate respawns! in one level of mohaa (omaha beach) too.
that makes it immediately fun http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

so for me, I like any multiplayer with immediate respawns http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif



in UT2k3 and 4 that are settings (I play 2k3, will play 2k7 when it comes out. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif ). But I also like immediate respawns. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Malgon]

Yeah I've played some online BF, which still sort of feels like DM on large scale, even though its supposed to be sort of tactical. But it was still a shitload of fun.
The only other multiplayer I've tried was the original doom. Classic DM! So thats quite a big jump in terms of time and gameplay. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Deathmatch maybe old but that doesn't mean it still isn't fun. FEAR is supposed to be sort of modernised and slick, and its still the old school style. Simple and just plain old fun, thats DM for you. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Might have to play some DM, old school style one day soon, maybe some D3D. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[hell-angel]

You can try and trick DM as much as you want, but in the end it allways comes down to this:
If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move....Shoot it anyway.

I really love this DM philosophy http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Malgon]

Excellent. It's simple, and thats what makes it fun. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Theres time for technical multiplayer, but theres always time for DM.

[Mr.Sociopath]

hell-angel said:

avatar_58 said:

Gatinater said:
The hell will multiplay. These days you either make a multiplayer game or a singleplayer game. And only few games can pull of COOP, such as the Novalogic games.

Deathmatch is obsolete and that's Duke's multiplay could offer.



Bullshit. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif Just look at FEAR. Great Deathmatch and the videos of Singleplayer look amazing. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif Deathmatch will be back, how do you feel its outdated? I would rather spend 1 round in classic deathmatch than 10 in a team based or major tactical game.



Agreed, nothing beats a good death match in a fast map with instagib. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif




i wanna instagiiiiib...and no immediate respawn unless with limited lives..meddling kids(whatever that means http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinyted.gif) will get even more annoying if they always respawn fast..and it would like open the door to extreme spawn kill, which is lame....

...I miss the original unreal tournament with instagib in last man standing.. :'(
and i'm tired ...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[hell-angel]

Mr.Sociopath said:

i wanna instagiiiiib...and no immediate respawn unless with limited lives..meddling kids(whatever that means http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinyted.gif) will get even more annoying if they always respawn fast..and it would like open the door to extreme spawn kill, which is lame....



Not if you respawn at a random location. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif and with UT they solved with invulnarability unless you took shot at someone or a few seconds had passed. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif (Good solution IMO. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif )



...I miss the original unreal tournament with instagib in last man standing.. :'(
and i'm tired ...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz



It's in 2K3 and 4 as well I believe.

Good night. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[colmtourque]

Deathmatch is obsolete




Heritic!!!!!!!!!

I'd love to see a good old fashion DM in duke. Team DM, Capture the Flag, Assault, all good and fun, but a good DM is always a pleasent diversion.
<trashtalk>Oh and I'll own all you punks </trashtalk>
<Continue Trash Talk>

[Mr.Sociopath]

hell-angel said:
and with UT they solved with invulnarability unless you took shot at someone or a few seconds had passed. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif (Good solution IMO. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif )





yeah good enough..
but then i,d hope the spawning player couldn't kill while he is invulnerable.. cause it can suck both ways http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

hell-angel said:

myself said:
...I miss the original unreal tournament with instagib in last man standing.. :'(
and i'm tired ...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz



It's in 2K3 and 4 as well I believe.

Good night. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



I didn't know.. I didn't like 2k3 's feeling enough at first sight(felt too much like quake 3's headless chicken running everywhere, while we shoot peas with a big fat rotating pea-canon), so I stopped playing the unreal tournaments..
and when i wrote the zzzzzzz-thing it was morning.. I just felt very tired http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[hell-angel]

Mr.Sociopath said:

hell-angel said:
and with UT they solved with invulnarability unless you took shot at someone or a few seconds had passed. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif (Good solution IMO. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif )





yeah good enough..
but then i,d hope the spawning player couldn't kill while he is invulnerable.. cause it can suck both ways http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif




You can kill but it doesn't suck since your invulnarability ends when you shoot, so it's only one kill at the most and then only when you have a good/lucky shot. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif




hell-angel said:

myself said:
...I miss the original unreal tournament with instagib in last man standing.. :'(
and i'm tired ...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz



It's in 2K3 and 4 as well I believe.

Good night. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



I didn't know.. I didn't like 2k3 's feeling enough at first sight(felt too much like quake 3's headless chicken running everywhere, while we shoot peas with a big fat rotating pea-canon), so I stopped playing the unreal tournaments..
and when i wrote the zzzzzzz-thing it was morning.. I just felt very tired http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif



Well, it's better then Quake3 by far IMO. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

But we are getting of topic here. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I just hope DNF will have a good MP feeling. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Micki!]

hell-angel said:

I just hope DNF will have a good MP feeling. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



I hope DNF will have a different Multiplayer feeling... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[hell-angel]

Micki! said:

hell-angel said:

I just hope DNF will have a good MP feeling. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



I hope DNF will have a different Multiplayer feeling... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif



As long as it feels good it's fine by me. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif


Actually, I just want to feel DNF. (That way it's done and I can play it. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif )

[astrali]

Lets be really radical here.
Those amongst us that actually played Duke 3D, both single player, and multiplayer, will remember the things that brought us to love that game, and which made it stand out above the competition.

My two cents goes like this:-

LEAVE THE F**KING DUKEMATCH ALONE!

If you want ctf, play counter strike.
If you want assault, play UT.
If you want (enter game mode here), play (enter game here).

I want the duke just as he was. updated, yes, but just as he was.
Duke match was the most fun you could have with your clothes on.

http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Webnut73]

astrali said:
Lets be really radical here.
Those amongst us that actually played Duke 3D, both single player, and multiplayer, will remember the things that brought us to love that game, and which made it stand out above the competition.

My two cents goes like this:-

LEAVE THE F**KING DUKEMATCH ALONE!

If you want ctf, play counter strike.
If you want assault, play UT.
If you want (enter game mode here), play (enter game here).

I want the duke just as he was. updated, yes, but just as he was.
Duke match was the most fun you could have with your clothes on.

http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



Heh! Agreed! Nothing like hearing your roommate cursing loudly and bashing his keyboard due to death by a well placed trip mine. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif MUAHAHA!

CTF...Assault...Co-op... To me, they are all overdone, not to mention incredibly redundant. Duke doesn't chase flags and he's not a team player. DNF doesn't need any of those play mode to be good.

Of course, I'm pretty easy to please. Hell, I'd be happy if DNF were nothing more than an FPS version of Manhattan Project with DukeMatch included. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[SyntaxN]

DM is ok, but at least one innovative mode should be in imho!
And for the Quake 3 bashers, you just aren´t skilled enough for really fast, basic deathmatch http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Emultra]

Webnut73 said:
...Co-op... To me, they are all overdone, not to mention incredibly redundant...



Oh, you need to tell me where you buy games.
Co-op redundant? It is the most rare of the best gameplay modes ever, today.

There's something to be said for having to go back to eight year old games for good co-op (spare Serious Sam and a few more).


And deathmatch will never become obsolete. It is the purest form of multiplayer competition, and the everlasting place where the best of the best settle their scores.

[Mr.Sociopath]

SyntaxN said:
And for the Quake 3 bashers, you just aren´t skilled enough for really fast, basic deathmatch http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif


http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinyted.gif

edit:

and yeah ..coop "is".."reeally" .."overdone" in games.. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinyted.gif

[Emultra]

It belongs among the most precious features that are now lost legacy.

[Doppelgofer]

i just have to say that i think to this day that dukematch was and still is the finest deathmatch i've ever played

[Dax]

I hope they have multiplayer for DNF. Duke Nukem3d's muliplayer was so kick ass. I loved the shrink ray and being able to mine teleporters and never have the mines wear out was so cool.

[Tim. Just Tim.]

Im not interested in Co-op at all. It might have been neat, but not worth all the extra work and time needed to do it correctly. Id rather they just spend that much more time and effort making the Dukematch cooler.

One thing I really like in games is when there are significant differences in gameplay between single player and multiplayer. For example the weapons do different things, and have different damage ratings than in single player. I also like when there are separate levels just for multiplayer that you wont find in single player. Sure, if you spend 6 months putting awesome design and detail and thought into a wicked single player map, then yea it would be a waste not to re-use it in multiplayer, but also I like when there are specific deathmatch only type maps.

Also I hope there is a good rating/ranking system for online play, that keeps track of TONS of details, not just the amount of kills/deaths, but also stuff like headshots, body shots, 'bootings', kills by explosion, favorite weapon, and more!

And most importantly, I hope you guys find a way to make cheating impossible, or at least really hard. Maaaan I hate cheaters.

[Tim. Just Tim.]

astrali said:
Lets be really radical here.
Those amongst us that actually played Duke 3D, both single player, and multiplayer, will remember the things that brought us to love that game, and which made it stand out above the competition.

My two cents goes like this:-

LEAVE THE F**KING DUKEMATCH ALONE!

If you want ctf, play counter strike.
If you want assault, play UT.
If you want (enter game mode here), play (enter game here).

I want the duke just as he was. updated, yes, but just as he was.
Duke match was the most fun you could have with your clothes on.

http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



Amen, sister http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[hell-angel]

astrali said:
If you want ctf, play counter strike.




DNF will have CTB (Capture the babe, or rescue the babe) in stead of CTF. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif Or at least, it should have. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[ReidV]

Since everyone is talking about co-op, I thought I would just throw this in.

I know they will not be putting in a co-op mode but I REALLY do hope that they at least ship with the ability for mod/map makers to put co-op functionality in their work.

I know that a mod maker can just put in the functionality in by himself, but having it in already would save a lot of effort that could be put into just making the maps better.

[hell-angel]

I believe the have said they didn't do that, they want to focus on things that they know work. co-op will take up valuable time, even if it's not supposed to be official and they rather spend that time on something usefull. (i.e. something other then co-op. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif )

[Micki!]

*BUMP*

I thought about DNF having a special 'points' system MP-mode, where you win by getting the highest score in 'special kills points' instead of frags..! For instance, you kill someone with a RPG which gives you a special bonus, because it's... well... more exagerated than regular gun-kills, because the player gets blown into pieces rather than falling lifeless to the ground... The same goes of course, for the Shrinker, Freeze-ray, or any locational damage, like blowing the head off a player with a single shotgun blast..! Or when killing a player in a special moment/location, like throwing a pipebomb at a player who's 'regaining' health at the toilet..! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

This game mode would also be a pretty cool addition with vehicles in MP..! (but i doubt there's any vehicles in DNF's MP though..!)

Come on and post your own wacky ideas in here..! You wouldn't want DNF to be one of those games which has Multiplayer, just to 'have it'..?! do you..!?

[stockboy]

Micki! said:
Multiplayer on a Harley... That would rock... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
I hope they'll come up with thier own kind of MP mode (whatever that could be http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif)



that would be badass! road rage style combat

[colmtourque]

You know that has been something missing a lot of games.

Also a good rocket DM (complete with that one well hidden nuke...I know that was more shadow warrior but always wanted to see it in Duke)

Speaking of Duke there used to be a multiplayer level call 'Jail', anyone seen it.

[roryok]

Micki! said:

hell-angel said:

Micki! said:
Multiplayer on a Harley... That would rock... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
I hope they'll come up with thier own kind of MP mode (whatever that could be http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif)



Capture the babe on harleys. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif

Yeah Capture the Babe is one of the MP mode suggestions...

Are there others..?! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif I really can't find anything that fits to a Duke game...



Capture the babe! that would totally rock. Like CTF, say you're trying to hide in a corner of the opposition base, and then your babe starts babbling about something, and gives away your position!

[Micki!]

roryok said:

Micki! said:

hell-angel said:

Micki! said:
Multiplayer on a Harley... That would rock... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
I hope they'll come up with thier own kind of MP mode (whatever that could be http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif)



Capture the babe on harleys. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif

Yeah Capture the Babe is one of the MP mode suggestions...

Are there others..?! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif I really can't find anything that fits to a Duke game...



Capture the babe! that would totally rock. Like CTF, say you're trying to hide in a corner of the opposition base, and then your babe starts babbling about something, and gives away your position!



Hehe... Makes you wish you were'nt the carrier... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hhg.gif

[hell-angel]

roryok said:

Micki! said:

hell-angel said:

Micki! said:
Multiplayer on a Harley... That would rock... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
I hope they'll come up with thier own kind of MP mode (whatever that could be http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif)



Capture the babe on harleys. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif

Yeah Capture the Babe is one of the MP mode suggestions...

Are there others..?! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif I really can't find anything that fits to a Duke game...



Capture the babe! that would totally rock. Like CTF, say you're trying to hide in a corner of the opposition base, and then your babe starts babbling about something, and gives away your position!



I definately like that idea. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif

edit: I think it should be "save the babe" because Duke doesn't capture the babes, he saves them. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Micki!]

I forgot to add this in my first post:
I'm also sick of games that get a lower score in reviews, just because the MP part... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mryuck.gif

There HAS to be SOMETHING new in there... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dopefish.gif

[hell-angel]

I hear ya, or how about reviewers who only like those real-life shooters and then review a game like quake4 (or DNF) and give it a low score because it's not real enough or not innovating enough. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mryuck.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mryuck.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mryuck.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mryuck.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mryuck.gif

(I don't think there are enough http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mryuck.gif images allowed to accurately describe my opinion about that. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mryuck.gif)

[Micki!]

hell-angel said:
I hear ya, or how about reviewers who only like those real-life shooters and then review a game like quake4 (or DNF) and give it a low score because it's not real enough or not innovating enough. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mryuck.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mryuck.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mryuck.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mryuck.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mryuck.gif

(I don't think there are enough http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mryuck.gif images allowed to accurately describe my opinion about that. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mryuck.gif)



I know...
It's stupid that people review games by content...
In reality, it's all about the game being funny/interresting/feels good...

And multiplayer..! If some game gets 9/10 because the singleplayer rocked, but the Multiplayer sucked, would it then mean that the game would have gotten 10/10 because ONLY the singleplayer was there with no MP, since it doesn't contain any bad stuff..?! (MP that is)...
It bothers me, because some reviewers actually rate games that way...

A good Example is the Battlefield Games... The 'singleplayer' is actually nothing special... It's more like a 'training ground'... But still, people complain about the AI being too stupid... of course it is... IT'S A FRIGGIN' DEDICATED MULTIPLAYER GAME..! what did people expect from a MP ONLY game..?! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dopefish.gif

Anyways... that was all... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

[Croco]

I hope they do the multiplayer part of DNF great. I have played to many with mediocre multiplayer game (Doom 3, Unreal Tourment, CoD, even BF2 after a few days, etc...). The best ones I have played are...

1-2) Counterstrike (yeah, I know, I put it up 2 times)
3) MoHAA
4-99) None!

However I havn't played any DN multiplayer game.

Why are CS so great? It's because it has interresting challanging objectives, in a good natural way.

1) There are more than one way to win the map (2 places to plant a bomb for example) which naturally spread out players around the map. This is very well done in many CS and in some MoHAA maps. Let us be able to solve objectives in 2 or max 3 ways.

2) The objectives feel real in CS and MoHAA, and aren't patetic capture the boring unatural flag or holding the base for 30s to capture it (like in BF2) while the opposite team capture another base of yours, so it becomes a running around in circle syndrome (as in UT and BF2).

3) Tactical combat... You don't feel it's a rush toward your goal all the time so it in the end feels very repetive. You need to feel that you can calm down a little too. You feel that in CS because valve lets you have an advantage while moving slowly.

4) You need in a natural way take a break so you can chat a little, like in CS or MoHAA objectives. If you die you need to wait until the map is finished.

5) Smaller interresting maps countra large one where you need to run alot or even use vehicles. Large maps becomes more than often overwhelming. I hope 3Drealms stay with smaller maps.


Suggestions on objectives, just to give you some ideas...
=======================================

* Open a locked door (if you have the key) so you can destroy the science lab or factory. A random player of opposite team has the key which you can pick up if you kill him, but you must do it before any other enemy pick it up of course. You can also open it by planting a bomb there. An ammo room have probably the tools you need for that. 2 NPC can also have the keys so not everyone are in the same place, so people are naturally spread out.

* Open up 1 of 2 safes and steal the document, by placing a bomb (if you fetch enough explosives from the ammo room which is probably heavily guarded) or by capture 1 of 2 NPC (located at different places) which the opposite team must guard and bring him to the safe he owns which he is forced to open for you. If any team kill him that team loose. The one who have the document must after that succeed to reach one location.

* Capture at least 1 of 2 enemy NPC scientists and bring them to 1 of 2 vehicles (scientists and vehicles are located at different places). The team who kills a scientist loose of course.

* Destroy a bridge by either planting bombs in 1 of 2 places (or by capture an adjacent smaller ship (and pull a lever to navigate the ship forward) so it crashes and destroys the bridge).

* Destroy 1 of 2 heavy weapon system, radar or whatever.

* Liberate at least 1 of 2 NPC prisoners.


Other stuffs...
==========

"Drugs" which we can use with different effects, like you grow so you becomes really big and strong (bonus to close combat damage and armor) but easier to hit.

[roryok]

Micki! said:
edit: I think it should be "save the babe" because Duke doesn't capture the babes, he saves them. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



Yes. My Bad.

Save the babe! Hear hear!

[JackpotDen]

roryok said:

Micki! said:

hell-angel said:
Capture the babe on harleys. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif

Yeah Capture the Babe is one of the MP mode suggestions...

Are there others..?! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif I really can't find anything that fits to a Duke game...



Capture the babe! that would totally rock. Like CTF, say you're trying to hide in a corner of the opposition base, and then your babe starts babbling about something, and gives away your position!



Capture the babe was done on postal 2

http://www.macologist.org/files/images/p2/snatchsample.jpg

[Micki!]

roryok said:

Micki! said:
edit: I think it should be "save the babe" because Duke doesn't capture the babes, he saves them. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



Yes. My Bad.

Save the babe! Hear hear!



I didn't say that...
You can tell that by the 2 missing peiods in the end... And also, there's no smiley... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[roryok]

Micki! said:
I didn't say that...
You can tell that by the 2 missing peiods in the end... And also, there's no smiley... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



Yeah Sorry about that. I deleted the wrong set of quote brackets!

me = n00b!


And The Lord saidLet there be n00bs, and give them a break if they make the odd mistake here or there!



http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Micki!]

roryok said:


And The Lord saidLet there be n00bs, and give them a break if they make the odd mistake here or there!



http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif



Haha..! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
But seriously, does anyone else care about the MP having some of DNF's potential gameplay in it..?!

[roryok]

Micki! said:
But seriously, does anyone else care about the MP having some of DNF's potential gameplay in it..?!



Hell yeah, I'm tired of developers skimping on the multiplayer. Hell, max payne didn't even HAVE multiplayer. Thats just criminal in this day.

There are two things that should really be laboured on in the multiplayer:

1) Playability. Original game types are all well and good, but if the basic gametypes (DM/TDM/CTF/AS) aren't properly implemented, all the extra gametypes in the world don't matter a toss. Having said that, I'm confident 3dr will deliver on this aspect, considering they practically invented deathmatch with dn3d

2) User Maps. Nowadays every FPS seems to have a map editor released with it, and thats a good thing. There was a time when only dn3d & unreal had decent development tools available. Epic saw a niche and went for it, and it paid off big time. The tools are extensive, powerful and well supported, and UT fanmade content quality often surpasses that of some development studios as a result. 3dr needs to encourage fan content as much as possible. Shouldn't be hard since they're using the epic tools to begin with!

Hell, 3dr practically invented Deathmatch with dn3d

[Micki!]

roryok said:

Micki! said:
But seriously, does anyone else care about the MP having some of DNF's potential gameplay in it..?!



Hell yeah, I'm tired of developers skimping on the multiplayer. Hell, max payne didn't even HAVE multiplayer. Thats just criminal in this day.

There are two things that should really be laboured on in the multiplayer:

1) Playability. Original game types are all well and good, but if the basic gametypes (DM/TDM/CTF/AS) aren't properly implemented, all the extra gametypes in the world don't matter a toss. Having said that, I'm confident 3dr will deliver on this aspect, considering they practically invented deathmatch with dn3d

2) User Maps. Nowadays every FPS seems to have a map editor released with it, and thats a good thing. There was a time when only dn3d & unreal had decent development tools available. Epic saw a niche and went for it, and it paid off big time. The tools are extensive, powerful and well supported, and UT fanmade content quality often surpasses that of some development studios as a result. 3dr needs to encourage fan content as much as possible. Shouldn't be hard since they're using the epic tools to begin with!

Hell, 3dr practically invented Deathmatch with dn3d



I was actually refering to the MP part containing some stuff from the SP, to make it different http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif... (Interactivity in MP, that would rock http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif)

But your statement isn't out of topic at least... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[roryok]

Micki! said:
I was actually refering to the MP part containing some stuff from the SP, to make it different http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif... (Interactivity in MP, that would rock http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif)

But your statement isn't out of topic at least... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



Oh - I thought you said MP should have gameplay!

My bad. Again.

I guess I'm just a bad man....

As for interactivity in MP...
Yeah that'd be awesome.

[Micki!]

roryok said:

Micki! said:
I was actually refering to the MP part containing some stuff from the SP, to make it different http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif... (Interactivity in MP, that would rock http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif)

But your statement isn't out of topic at least... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



Oh - I thought you said MP should have gameplay!





Don't wory... Interactivity, is a part of the gameplay... So it's not completely wrong...
I'd just love to see what stuff that could be done in MP battles...
I can alredy imagine this to happen:
---
Level: Hollywood Holocaust

*Palyer 1 and Player 2 are watching a movie...*
Player1: "Hey, go get some popcorns P2"
Player 2: "Whaa..!? Not now, were in middle the best part of the movie..!"
Player 1: "I don't care, it's your turn to buy some..."
Player 2: "No way in hell i'm gonna miss this part... Get it yourself..!"
Player 1: "Hey, we made a deal by watching this movie together, instead of fragging each other... I payd a big bucket of popcorn for you, you better get mine now..!"
Player 2: "Make me, it's not like you're.."
*BOOM!!!*
**Player 1 frags Player 2 with a pipebomb**
*player 2 Spawns at Popcorn machine*
Player 2: "Crap..!"
---
I'd love to record that event..! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[hell-angel]

Micki! said:

roryok said:


And The Lord saidLet there be n00bs, and give them a break if they make the odd mistake here or there!



http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif



Haha..! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
But seriously, does anyone else care about the MP having some of DNF's potential gameplay in it..?!



Yes of course, that's why I said that duke should have save the babe instead of capture the babe. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

I do like the line from Postal though:
You have their Ho, get her into bed. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif

[Micki!]

hell-angel said:

Micki! said:

roryok said:


And The Lord saidLet there be n00bs, and give them a break if they make the odd mistake here or there!



http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif



Haha..! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
But seriously, does anyone else care about the MP having some of DNF's potential gameplay in it..?!



Yes of course, that's why I said that duke should have save the babe instead of capture the babe. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

I do like the line from Postal though:
You have their Ho, get her into bed. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif



Have only tried Postal 2 Demo... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[hell-angel]

Micki! said:
Have only tried Postal 2 Demo... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif



Well, it's a fun game, not great, but fun. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[roryok]

yeah it had some good ideas alright, but it was just badly made.

[Tim. Just Tim.]

Theres been lots of threads on multiplayer but i dont recall any of them specifically addressing cheating.

anyway what do we know so far?
- no coop
- different modes? possibley capture the babe?
- max players? 32? 64?

I assume that DNF will run quite smoothly online, since it will use netcode at least as good as Unreal's, which in my opinion is the best.

as far as cheating, will there be any steps taken to prevent it ? As far as i know, the only sure-fire way to prevent wall hacks is to perform all the visibility calculations on the server for each client, which I think would be totally impractical.

Is the only real way to prevent cheating to play with people who you know and trust not to be cheating? If thats the case, maybe we should create a DNF forumers clan now for all us hardcore folks who have been patiently wating for this game. If we wait until after the game is realeased, this forum will be full of thousands of noobs and we wont be able to distinguish who the believers are, who were here before the release.

[Montykoro!]

mmmm maybe "punkbuster" ? or similar... then a cheksum for the files? (if you modify someone the cheksum will divert from original...)
Encripted engine? no body can "mod" the engine...

[Little Conqueror]

I've been trying to think of a way to prevent cheating in one of my own games. Checksum seems to be the way to go, as well as permanently making certain variables read-only. I have a long way to go before I can prevent 1337 hax0rz from stopping my game, but 3DR probably is keeping all of this in mind and has people already working on it. I'd rather they not spill the beans on whatever anti-cheatiing mechanisms they use as well.

[Micki!]

I reckon someone would want to make a DNF-Cult server (available for all forum members though) there we could setup rule and such... Like MP clans...

[Tim. Just Tim.]

im not sure what punkbuster is or what it does or how it works,

but for cheats like wallhacks and aimbots, i dont see how you can prevent them. They have to do with manipulating data after its already on your machine.

I have a cheat for counterstrike that you run before starting up the game, and it hooks into the directX graphics code somehow, to draw things differently (transparently for example). It doesnt change any files but rather runs in memory, so I dont know if a checksum would be effective.

The problem with cheats is that the developer doesnt just have to make the game cheatproof for the average gamer. The developer has to make it cheatproof against the smartest and best hackers in the world. Because once one person has figured out how to cheat, anyone is able to cheat.

[Little Conqueror]

Tim. Just Tim. said:
im not sure what punkbuster is or what it does or how it works,

but for cheats like wallhacks and aimbots, i dont see how you can prevent them. They have to do with manipulating data after its already on your machine.

I have a cheat for counterstrike that you run before starting up the game, and it hooks into the directX graphics code somehow, to draw things differently (transparently for example). It doesnt change any files but rather runs in memory, so I dont know if a checksum would be effective.

The problem with cheats is that the developer doesnt just have to make the game cheatproof for the average gamer. The developer has to make it cheatproof against the smartest and best hackers in the world. Because once one person has figured out how to cheat, anyone is able to cheat.



There are ways to protect against memory-resident exploits and hacks. I also would guess that there are ways for a game to forcibly override some of these as well.

[hell-angel]

Little Conqueror said:

Tim. Just Tim. said:
im not sure what punkbuster is or what it does or how it works,

but for cheats like wallhacks and aimbots, i dont see how you can prevent them. They have to do with manipulating data after its already on your machine.

I have a cheat for counterstrike that you run before starting up the game, and it hooks into the directX graphics code somehow, to draw things differently (transparently for example). It doesnt change any files but rather runs in memory, so I dont know if a checksum would be effective.

The problem with cheats is that the developer doesnt just have to make the game cheatproof for the average gamer. The developer has to make it cheatproof against the smartest and best hackers in the world. Because once one person has figured out how to cheat, anyone is able to cheat.



There are ways to protect against memory-resident exploits and hacks. I also would guess that there are ways for a game to forcibly override some of these as well.



There is, writing your own rendering code (not utilizing DX and such). http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif But even then it would be a pain. I think that Micki's idea is the best, simple set up a password protected server for trusted players only. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Micki!]

hell-angel said:

Little Conqueror said:

Tim. Just Tim. said:
im not sure what punkbuster is or what it does or how it works,

but for cheats like wallhacks and aimbots, i dont see how you can prevent them. They have to do with manipulating data after its already on your machine.

I have a cheat for counterstrike that you run before starting up the game, and it hooks into the directX graphics code somehow, to draw things differently (transparently for example). It doesnt change any files but rather runs in memory, so I dont know if a checksum would be effective.

The problem with cheats is that the developer doesnt just have to make the game cheatproof for the average gamer. The developer has to make it cheatproof against the smartest and best hackers in the world. Because once one person has figured out how to cheat, anyone is able to cheat.



There are ways to protect against memory-resident exploits and hacks. I also would guess that there are ways for a game to forcibly override some of these as well.



There is, writing your own rendering code (not utilizing DX and such). http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif But even then it would be a pain. I think that Micki's idea is the best, simple set up a password protected server for trusted players only. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif



I have now quoted you...
You might think it's because you just mentioned me, but that's not quite it...

REMEMBER THE "!"!!! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinyted.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinyted.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinyted.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hhg.gif

J/K, imo, this is the ONLY secure way to have a fair game...
It all could be setup privately (MSN, or some chatboard for users only) if we want to make some big meeting... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[ZuljinRaynor]

Sign me up for the Clan. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Micki!]

ZuljinRaynor said:
Sign me up for the Clan. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



Go sign up the cult then... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinyted.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[ZuljinRaynor]

Micki! said:

ZuljinRaynor said:
Sign me up for the Clan. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



Go sign up the cult then... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinyted.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif


How do I do that, eh? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dopefish.gif

[Micki!]

ZuljinRaynor said:

Micki! said:

ZuljinRaynor said:
Sign me up for the Clan. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



Go sign up the cult then... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinyted.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif


How do I do that, eh? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dopefish.gif


That's easy... As you may have noticed, some members here have a similar symbol on their avatar... (some have the whole symbol AS avatar like Hell-Angel, Kristian Joensen, or Dudemiester) These people are a member of the cult...

What you have to do, is to add this symbol somewhere on your avatar (like mine is placed down in the corner)
If you want, you can modify it with different colors, or something... (or ask if someone will do it for you) The symbol has to be clear, and noticable... and you van place it anywhere you want... As long as it can be recognized as the cult symbol (text and stuff is not necessary)

Ahem, yeah, we were talking about cheating in multiplayer..?! I still vote for my suggestion as the best solution atm...

[ZuljinRaynor]

Hmm, new HL2 skin idea.... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I vote for DukeBuster. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[pec]

Tim. Just Tim. said:
as far as cheating, will there be any steps taken to prevent it ?



There is a bunch of effective anticheat / antihack server mods for Unreal and UT (e.g. Kerberos, Nephthys, Hackbusta 3, UProtect), so I'm sure there will be some skilled Unrealscripters coding ones for DNF too.

Nephthys is a very neat antihack mod for Unreal 1 servers. It is able to detect and automatically block DoS and DDoS attacks!!! It protects Unreal servers from many attacks like (distributed) repetitive join/query attacks, zombie bug attacks and fixes several bugs in the Unreal server network code. It also logs IP addresses and allows moderators to kick or ban players who cause problems.


ZuljinRaynor said:
I vote for DukeBuster. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif



DukeBuster sounds nice for a name of an anticheat/-hack mod. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[Mr.Sociopath]

need nude cheat

[Kristian Joensen]

"There is a bunch of effective anticheat / antihack server mods for Unreal and UT (e.g. Kerberos, Nephthys, Hackbusta 3, UProtect), so I'm sure there will be some skilled Unrealscripters coding ones for DNF too."

These are written in Unrealscript ? If that is the case they MIGHT be portable to DNF since one of the few things DNF stil uses from the Unreal Engine IS Unrealscript.

[pec]

Kristian Joensen said:
These are written in Unrealscript ? If that is the case they MIGHT be portable to DNF since one of the few things DNF stil uses from the Unreal Engine IS Unrealscript.



Yeah, they're written in Unrealscript. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[EDIT]
However, some of these mods (e.g. hackbusta 3) are stripped down (no script / source code available) and heavily protected from decompilation with unknown techniques.

[pec]

[EDIT]
Okay, for security reasons I won't go into detail how to strip script text from .u mod packages, how to protect mods from decompilation, how to break that protection and other elite stuff. All I can say is that I will try to port some of the best anticheat/-hack mods from Unreal to DNF..... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

When the time comes and DNF is gonna be released you can join the project if you think that you have the scripting skillz to assist me.

[Gatinater]

You can't stop cheaters. Not as long as the games are built on easily modified and manipulated software. And since protocall is blind it's easy to spoof.

Punkbuster and other anti cheat programs will work to an extent, but it won't take long for someone to figure out how to overide it or blindside the protocall.

There's people out there that make money on the side by making mods and trainers to help players cheat.

The only reliabe cheat prevention is to play LAN with people you can trust. As it seems within the past few years cheating has exploded.

[Cerberus_e]

hi, I've got those leet h4x for DNF on my computer ready for the release, but shhhhhhhh don't tell it to anyone else.

[ZuljinRaynor]

Cerberus_e said:
hi, I've got those leet h4x for DNF on my computer ready for the release, but shhhhhhhh don't tell it to anyone else.


Kill! KILL IT!

[BabyFace]

Little Conqueror said:

Tim. Just Tim. said:
im not sure what punkbuster is or what it does or how it works,

but for cheats like wallhacks and aimbots, i dont see how you can prevent them. They have to do with manipulating data after its already on your machine.

I have a cheat for counterstrike that you run before starting up the game, and it hooks into the directX graphics code somehow, to draw things differently (transparently for example). It doesnt change any files but rather runs in memory, so I dont know if a checksum would be effective.

The problem with cheats is that the developer doesnt just have to make the game cheatproof for the average gamer. The developer has to make it cheatproof against the smartest and best hackers in the world. Because once one person has figured out how to cheat, anyone is able to cheat.



There are ways to protect against memory-resident exploits and hacks. I also would guess that there are ways for a game to forcibly override some of these as well.



Well, as for aimbots - these are, technically, proxy servers (the ones I know, at least) which manipulate the data stream. If there are anti-cheat-measures which check the system for any such running processes, then a determined cheater could just use a second PC as a (real) proxy. The whole communication is then streamed over that second PC where the data manipulation takes place.

Ok, may sound a bit far-fetched (or expensive), but I'm just saying that I don't think that cheating on the client can ever really be prevented. As long as the user is in control of his system, he can manipulate everything, including the anti-cheat-software itself.
http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[Kristian Joensen]

Pec, maybe 3D Realms has already written something similar themselves.

[pec]

Kristian Joensen said:
Pec, maybe 3D Realms has already written something similar themselves.



Let's hope so. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

The best FPS in the world should also ship with the best network protection imo.

[Roger]

Tim. Just Tim. said:
im not sure what punkbuster is or what it does or how it works,



It seems to have a reputation as one of the more reliable pieces of anti-cheating software used in games.

[Dukefan24]

As far as I know all populary online games have a bunch of cheaters. Cheating should be possible with all games though. Altrough many new online games have special people that will check for cheaters as a job, still the most unsupported online games can easely become a cheat fest because of trainer programs. Overall it's very simple, DNF wouldn't have annoying cheaters if the game is still supported.

[Wamplet]

Tim. Just Tim. said:

Is the only real way to prevent cheating to play with people who you know and trust not to be cheating?



Yes

[Joe Siegler]

Tim. Just Tim. said:
as far as cheating, will there be any steps taken to prevent it ? As far as i know, the only sure-fire way to prevent wall hacks is to perform all the visibility calculations on the server for each client, which I think would be totally impractical.



Do you think we're really going to announce our intentions in this regard NOW and a) commit to said plan, and b) give folks a headstart in thinking on how to attack it? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Shlubalubs]

Yes. so that when i start loosing i can say "EEEK!, OMG J00 f****7, ! N0 J00 HAXD, J00 8E77E 7AKE !7 0FF 8EF0RE ! 7E11 ADM!N http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinyted.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hhg.gif

[Kalki]

Joe3DR said:

Tim. Just Tim. said:
as far as cheating, will there be any steps taken to prevent it ? As far as i know, the only sure-fire way to prevent wall hacks is to perform all the visibility calculations on the server for each client, which I think would be totally impractical.



Do you think we're really going to announce our intentions in this regard NOW


If ever. You could maintain A51 on that even after release.

[Joe Siegler]

If ever. You could maintain A51 on that even after release.



That too, but I wasn't gonna say that. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[aaBlueDragon]

As for Duke3D, multiplayer was played while all players
are playing the Main character Duke Nukem but
the only diffrence between all players during a multiplayer
game was the color of the clothes he was wearing.

In DNF i expect being able to set the Character
for online playing but not only duke with
diffrent clothes colors,
it would be awsome if there will be an option
to chose to play as a Pigcop
or some other monsters,and the edf soldiers
and some other chars we dont know yet..

point is, if multiplayer game will be played only
with duke char, the game will miss something.

[Micki!]

When the game is out, i want someone to port the model of the Battlelord into a MP model... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif

Anyways, that would be a cool thing...
Many games even have REALLY different models... Like some kind of four legged creature with a mounted weapon on it... Or a Kangaroo with a baby Kangaroo holding the weapon... Or even a walking EYE with hands as feet (Quake 3 http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif)

I'd love Octabrains as MP models in DNF... Since it seems to work well in many otehr games... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[SLV Taxi]

General Graves and Chuck Norris.

[Micki!]

^^
Complete with Cigar, and Roundhouse kicks... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[pec]

Micki! said:
Or a Kangaroo with a baby Kangaroo holding the weapon...



Haha! Which game is that?

[Denz]

Tommy.

[Micki!]

pec said:

Micki! said:
Or a Kangaroo with a baby Kangaroo holding the weapon...



Haha! Which game is that?



No game... It's a hillarious character Marty Invented as an enemy (for fun) for DNF... I did a couple too, but those were made in MSpaint (and are gone) http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif
Here's (http://www.duke4.net/images/fanart/marty/4.jpg) the pic i'm refering to...

[Mr.Sociopath]

nakid ladies

[ewolf]

Different colored dukes is good enough for me! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[KaiserSoze]

Mr.Sociopath said:
nakid ladies



http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Or at least scantily clad strippers.

Hmm. Multiplayer characters I'd go with:

Pigcops, EDF soldiers, Octobrains, Strippers, Bombshell and robots.

[Water12356]

Micki! said:

pec said:

Micki! said:
Or a Kangaroo with a baby Kangaroo holding the weapon...



Haha! Which game is that?



No game... It's a hillarious character Marty Invented as an enemy (for fun) for DNF... I did a couple too, but those were made in MSpaint (and are gone) http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif
Here's (http://www.duke4.net/images/fanart/marty/4.jpg) the pic i'm refering to...



In the Tekken series, one of the unlockable fighters is a momma Kangaroo with a baby in the pouch!

[hell-angel]

Micki! said:

pec said:

Micki! said:
Or a Kangaroo with a baby Kangaroo holding the weapon...



Haha! Which game is that?



No game... It's a hillarious character Marty Invented as an enemy (for fun) for DNF... I did a couple too, but those were made in MSpaint (and are gone) http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif
Here's (http://www.duke4.net/images/fanart/marty/4.jpg) the pic i'm refering to...




http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif That enemy should defintately be in DNF in a secret level. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif Or else in a Jazz Jackrabbit game as an end boss. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Kalki]

ewolf said:
Different colored dukes is good enough for me! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif


Wesley Snipes is back in the running and this is not even a DN movie thread! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Halcyon]

I want to play Gus. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinyted.gif

[Micki!]

OF COURSE!!!
Remember every player is able to do kicks (mighty boot)...
So this enemy would be a logical choice to use in MP... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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[Gatinater]

That's what I was thinking. Chuck Norris. And perhaps we could singe his beard off and he will exclaim "NOOOOO!" In some wierd slow motion and poorly Choreographed animation just like in every movie he has ever acted in. Then he could go on some indian dream quest.

Mr. T should be a multiplay character and so should the Fonz. The taunts alone would be awsome. Kill a guy as Fonzie and you could go AYYY, WOAWA, You are a dweeb or NERD ALERT.

[Micki!]

Gatinater said:
Kill a guy as Fonzie and you could go AYYY,

[baff]

What about Duke in a loin cloth all oiled and glistening?

Any takers?


Different outfitted dukes could be alot of fun.
YMCA appeal aside......

You could dress him as a Cowboy or a Floridan in one of those Hawain shirts, or a marine or a copper.
Even better, mix'n'match.

You could have quit a lot of fun dressing your Duke.
Best of all would be a duke costume generator like in City of Heroes.

If you included a Duchess character too, many girls would buy this game just for the multiplayer dressing up stage.

[hell-angel]

Gatinater said:
That's what I was thinking. Chuck Norris. And perhaps we could singe his beard off and he will exclaim "NOOOOO!" In some wierd slow motion and poorly Choreographed animation just like in every movie he has ever acted in. Then he could go on some indian dream quest.

Mr. T should be a multiplay character and so should the Fonz. The taunts alone would be awsome. Kill a guy as Fonzie and you could go AYYY, WOAWA, You are a dweeb or NERD ALERT.



yeah, and kill someone as Mr. T and say:
That must helluva hurt sucker.

http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Amakou]

"I pity da foo' who tries to kill me"

~Amakou~

[roryok]

"I predict pain..."

[someguy2435]

KaiserSoze said:

Hmm. Multiplayer characters I'd go with:

Pigcops, EDF soldiers, Octobrains, Strippers, Bombshell and robots.



Duke vs. strippers in multiplayer mode. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Malgon]

I agree that these characters should at least be standard for multiplay. Hopefully there will be a few surprise ones, maybe the developers? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Micki!]

Malgon said:
maybe the developers? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif



Hehe, Q3A's last patch (1.32 point release) contains some models of the game designers... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Gibaholic]

I'd rather just have different colored pants than stupid stuff like Half Life 1 dm had with zombies and scientists and other assorted crap.

[Nessus]

I think every NPC in the game should be available for multiplay. To me one of the great falings of every multiplayer game to date is the lack of variety in playable characters, it's damm nea impossilbe to play a game with your freinds where everyone has a character that is a representation of themselves. DNF whill likely have a huge and diverse cast of characters who could solve this problem if they were in multiplay.

[gt1750]

Some NPCs, enemies and characters from classic Apogee/3DR games.

[Micki!]

gt1750 said:
Some NPCs, enemies and characters from classic Apogee/3DR games.

Cosmo perhaps... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hhg.gif
I mean, Duke did make an appearance in His game...

Would be cool to have Max Payne, but that's VERY unlikely... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif I don't think 3DR are going to "Merge" two of thier IP's like this...

[Kalki]

But Max is no longer their IP.

[hell-angel]

Kalki said:
But Max is no longer their IP.



That is correct. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Personally I would like some of the enemies (where possible) and NPC's. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Micki!]

Kalki said:
But Max is no longer their IP.



Really..?
That makes it even more unlikely to see him in MP... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Maybe as a Cameo, but surely not as a playable character...

Perhaps someone could transfer the Max Payne 2 model into DNF when it's out... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

[RedSplat]

It has been asked several times if there will be different characters for multiplay.
It was my first lame question/thread on the DNF board i think.

It went something like this...
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ME: It'd be nice to have plenty of characters for MP.
Multiplay with just DukeNukems sucks.

JOE3DR: Agreed
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That was in 2001..hehe.

But everyone wants to play as Duke so wouldn't we still end up with servers full of Dukes. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif

[Halcyon]

RedSplat said:
But everyone wants to play as Duke so wouldn't we still end up with servers full of Dukes. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif

He, that kinda reminds me of this CAD-Online comic. (http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php?d=20040521) http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Kalki]

Funny comic. Perhaps in the new Dukematch we'll have to earn the right to play as Duke. A big-head mutator with a character change is a nice way to avoid servers being overfilled with Duke models. I see out-of-the-box DNF multiplayer moving beyond teamplay and trying to empower the individual player again in a very "Duke" way.

[Anomalous Entity]

Description for Big Head Mutator: As the players kill their opponents, their ego gets the better of them and they start becoming a big head, literally. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

That is if anyone can get around to making a decent DNF MP for us...

[hell-angel]

Anomalous Entity said:
Description for Big Head Mutator: As the players kill their opponents, their ego gets the better of them and they start becoming a big head, literally. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

That is if anyone can get around to making a decent DNF MP for us...



?? You do know that MP will be in DNF?? So their is no need for anyone (outside 3DR of course http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif ) to create DNF MP. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[lonestar]

RedSplat said:
But everyone wants to play as Duke so wouldn't we still end up with servers full of Dukes. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif



you could limit the amount of one same character per server and make them in different colors/clothes to choose from. this would also limit the retard-factor. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[hell-angel]

lonestar said:

RedSplat said:
But everyone wants to play as Duke so wouldn't we still end up with servers full of Dukes. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif



you could limit the amount of one same character per server and make them in different colors/clothes to choose from. this would also limit the retard-factor. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif



Yeah, give him different outfits (like a cowboy duke) and such. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Also, a lot of us wants to play as a pig cop or (especially Cerberus_e) a battlelord. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Orochi Avlis]

The Warcraft King would make an awesome multiplayer character.

[DavoX]

hell-angel said:

Also, a lot of us wants to play as a pig cop or (especially Cerberus_e) a battlelord. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



Knowing modern games i think that playing with the battlelord would be like playing with the cyberdemon in doom3, i really hope they make it really big http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif . (but harder than the cyberdemon, hell that was one easy boss right there)

[Micki!]

hell-angel said:

lonestar said:

RedSplat said:
But everyone wants to play as Duke so wouldn't we still end up with servers full of Dukes. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif



you could limit the amount of one same character per server and make them in different colors/clothes to choose from. this would also limit the retard-factor. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif



Yeah, give him different outfits (like a cowboy duke) and such. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Also, a lot of us wants to play as a pig cop or (especially Cerberus_e) a battlelord. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



Yeah, that would be cool...
Different models, with different skins... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[baff]

RedSplat said:
But everyone wants to play as Duke so wouldn't we still end up with servers full of Dukes. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif



Not me, I want to play as baff in a baffsuit like I do in City of Heroes.

My neice can't work out how I get inside the computer.


The skin editor in Warhammer 40k is pretty flexible too. My Imperial guards also dress as (Emperor) baff.

[Roger]

I call dibs on Caleb and Jesse Custer. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

[Micki!]

It would be cool if Duke could wear that Cowboy-like outfit like on the N64 Zero Hour game box..! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
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[Big poppa]

Stormtroopers.

[Micki!]

Big poppa said: