Top Gun 2

[Ironside]

http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/07/22/film-british-gossip-endorsement-tom-cruise-should-make-top-gun-2/


I heard that Cruise will be the instructor this time with a smart ass hot shit female student who shows Cruise how to really stroke the flight stick.

[Karthik]

I wouldn't be surprised if they make out at 30,000 feet.

[Superczar]

http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/07/22/film-british-gossip-endorsement-tom-cruise-should-make-top-gun-2/


I heard that Cruise will be the instructor this time with a smart ass hot shit female student who shows Cruise how to really stroke the flight stick.

Oh I'm sure Tom has had plenty of practice playing with "flight sticks"...

[Ramen4ever]

Top gun was bad enough.. I can already see the upcoming direct to vhs release.

[Grande 3:16]

Top gun was bad enough.. I can already see the upcoming direct to vhs release.
A vh what now?

[wayskobfssae]

They're saying that making a Top Gun 2 would be a GOOD move for Cruise?

Whoever this guy is that made the report MUST be a Hollywood Exec.

"Top Gun 2" = instantaneous "Crash and Burn" IMO. Just one more pathetic attempt at digging a dead cow out of the graveyard because it once gave TONS of milk. And all they'll succeed in doing is creating something that doesn't even remotely deserve the title of Top Gun, and in the process, forever taint what is an almost perfect film. And that's just Hollywood. The fact that America has lost all of the 'good guy' feel that it had when Top Gun came out will just be another stumbling block.

I say let Top Gun remain as it is. But we know that will never happen, as long as even one moron in a high place sees potential in it.

Someone post the image of 'picard rubbing his forehead' pls.

I can only hope that The Sun is being as unreliable as it was when it published the "Inhabited Moon" hoax.

[Damien_Azreal]

A vh what now?

It was one of those things... a long time ago. You can find them in museums now.

[X-Vector]

And all they'll succeed in doing is creating something that doesn't even remotely deserve the title of Top Gun, and in the process, forever taint what is an almost perfect film. And that's just Hollywood. The fact that America has lost all of the 'good guy' feel that it had when Top Gun came out will just be another stumbling block.


As much as I love the eighties, Top Gun was a prime example of the simplistic and clichéd "jock" type Americana that was one of the less appealing elements of the decade.
The blu-ray review (http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/941/topgun.html) over at High-Def Digest is spot on in that respect.

I'm not a fan of the tomb raiding of eighties film classics that is so popular these days, but Hollywood can do what it wants with Top Gun.

[wayskobfssae]

As much as I love the eighties, Top Gun was a prime example of the simplistic and clichéd "jock" type Americana that was one of the less appealing elements of the decade.

Indeed it was, and I'm really not a big fan of that kind of film, I think the reason I have more praise for Top Gun is because it's one of the few times in which it was actually done well.

If I'm not mistaken, it's still ranked as the most quoted film in history. That's a pretty impressive cult status.

[X-Vector]

You mean it has the most lines that were quoted in other movies?

[wayskobfssae]

You mean it has the most lines that were quoted in other movies?

I mean in casual conversation.

[X-Vector]

How on earth can something like that be quantified?

[wayskobfssae]

How on earth can something like that be quantified?

Surveys, I'd assume.

[The Stinger]

http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/07/22/film-british-gossip-endorsement-tom-cruise-should-make-top-gun-2/


I heard that Cruise will be the instructor this time with a smart ass hot shit female student who shows Cruise how to really stroke the flight stick.

... and then they'll sing "Great Balls of Fire", have a good time and in the next scene they'll need to eject and Tom "Maverick" Cruise will die, the new chick will ride on her motorcycle with "You've Lost That Lovin' Feeling" in the background. *roll the credits*

Seriously though, Top Gun had one of the best theme songs: http://youtube.com/watch?v=KIq5x8-QL-o
and of course other great hits (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092099/soundtrack).

[razgriz]

... and then they'll sing "Great Balls of Fire", have a good time and in the next scene they'll need to eject and Tom "Maverick" Cruise will die, the new chick will ride on her motorcycle with "You've Lost That Lovin' Feeling" in the background. *roll the credits*

Seriously though, Top Gun had one of the best theme songs: http://youtube.com/watch?v=KIq5x8-QL-o
and of course other great hits (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092099/soundtrack).

The theme song rules!:cool:

[Superczar]

Yeah Kenny Loggins only other decent song besides the Caddyshack theme...

[Ironside]

Someone gave me Top Gun on dvd 5 years ago and it is still in its original wrapping. I just noticed that when I had a look at the case because of this thread. ha ha lol.

[wayskobfssae]

Danger Zone, Mighty Wings, and Through the Fire, were all on my "Songs to Frag By" playlist for years.

[Mountain Man]

I've never seen Top Gun, and there's probably little point now since I doubt it has aged particularly well. I remember when this came out when I was in highschool and it seemed like everybody was talking about it.

[wayskobfssae]

I've never seen Top Gun, and there's probably little point now since I doubt it has aged particularly well. I remember when this came out when I was in highschool and it seemed like everybody was talking about it.

Actually, if it was made today, probably the only noticeable differences would be

A. CGI fighter sequences instead of live footage/models
B. Hip-Hop music instead of 80's rock

[X-Vector]

Actually, it would probably turn out like this: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0382992/

[Nessus]

Must they call it top Gun 2? Couldn't they just give a regular name? When we all see the trailer with Tom Cruise as a flight instructor named Maverick I think we'll get the idea.

I bet they'll have an affair and then break it off but somehow FlightChick will get in trouble and force old Maverick to get behind the stick and pull out a miracle to save his gal. Avenging Iceman will also be on his mind because Iceman gets killed early in the movie.

I'd rather see a movie about the guys flying the predator drones: Slop Gun. Watch them eat potatoe chips and drink Mountain Dew.

[Altered Reality]

Must they call it top Gun 2? Couldn't they just give a regular name?
What's wrong with calling it Top Gun 2? It's the most logical thing to do, after tons and tons of sequels containing a subtitle instead of a numeral in the title.

[wayskobfssae]

Actually, it would probably turn out like this: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0382992/

I had high (no pun intended) hopes for that movie, thinking that it'd be the Top Gun of the new decade. I was sorely disappointed. And I'm usually a sucker for "super-machines that go haywire" stories.

[Mountain Man]

Actually, it would probably turn out like this: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0382992/
That was a terrible movie. I rented it for a buck and still felt ripped off.

[Daveman]

Well the military loved it the first time and they could probably use the good "publicity". I bet if this is real the military's jumping at the chance to give them lots of equipment to shoot with for free. That said, the original was absolutely terrible and I'm sure it would be this time, too.

[Commando Nukem]

Well the military loved it the first time and they could probably use the good "publicity". I bet if this is real the military's jumping at the chance to give them lots of equipment to shoot with for free. That said, the original was absolutely terrible and I'm sure it would be this time, too.

The military has helped Hollywood with all sorts of films about war, even the ones that portray our military in a poor light. What a ridiculous mean spirited statement.

[razgriz]

I've never seen Top Gun, and there's probably little point now since I doubt it has aged particularly well. I remember when this came out when I was in highschool and it seemed like everybody was talking about it.

Watch it. It is a popcorn flick. Back when producer Jerry Bruckheimer was cool.

Actually, it would probably turn out like this: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0382992/
*vomits* (only good things were Jessica Biel and Su-37's getting shredded.)


Now, if they actually go through with this, who do you think the fighter jet babe would be?

[wayskobfssae]

Now, if they actually go through with this, who do you think the fighter jet babe would be?

I'm probably way off my rocker, but for some reason Carrie Underwood comes to mind (IF she can act. Though with the way filmmaking is these days, it probably doesn't matter. They'd probably end up hiring Paris)

[X-Vector]

Though with the way filmmaking is these days, it probably doesn't matter. They'd probably end up hiring Paris)

What a horrible thought.

They should pick Sofia Vergara (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005527/) in stead.

[wayskobfssae]

Even the ones that portray our military in a poor light

Interesting... The U.S. Mil bowed out of helping with ID4 when they found out that Area 51 was part of the plot.

[Commando Nukem]

Interesting... The U.S. Mil bowed out of helping with ID4 when they found out that Area 51 was part of the plot.

I dont see how that counters what I said. ID4 also portrays the USAF and USMC in a positive light. That would have been great "publicity" for them too.

[razgriz]

(IF she can act. Though with the way filmmaking is these days, it probably doesn't matter. They'd probably end up hiring Paris)

Ugh.

I'm thinking for some crazy reason that Kristin Cavallari (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1738059/) (15 minute MTV "star")is going to get the part.:doh:

Sure, she is a cute blond, but can she act? Maybe for comedies and teen movies.

[Daveman]

The military has helped Hollywood with all sorts of films about war, even the ones that portray our military in a poor light. What a ridiculous mean spirited statement.
Sure, but they don't usually do it free of charge. They threw all kinds of equipment and advisers at the film to basically make it a military wank-off film. Hell, the Navy even set up booths outside movie theaters to recruit teenage boys who had just seen the movie, and recruitment shot up quite a bit. Regardless of the politics, the movie was (and a sequel undoubtedly would be) a pile of shit. And I don't see how it would be "mean spirited"? Like the military-industrial complex is some kind of sensitive child that always gets picked on? :confused:

[Mr_Diffrence]

Someone post the image of 'picard rubbing his forehead' pls.

http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/5892/facepalmgw1.jpg

[Commando Nukem]

Sure, but they don't usually do it free of charge.

And? Its not exactly cheap stuff we're talking about.


They threw all kinds of equipment and advisers at the film to basically make it a military wank-off film.

They "threw" advisers and equipment at the film to ensure accuracy in where they could. Hollywood does often ignore this advice in favor of the story however. Particularly depending on whatever is going to make them the most money, during the 80s that was pride in ones country.


Hell, the Navy even set up booths outside movie theaters to recruit teenage boys who had just seen the movie, and recruitment shot up quite a bit.


Whats so bad about that? You aren't forced to join. :)


And I don't see how it would be "mean spirited"? Like the military-industrial complex is some kind of sensitive child that always gets picked on? :confused:

You're implying the military itself is somehow a defaultly insidious organisation, not the "military-industrial" complex. The military-industrial complex is nothing more than civilian companies building and designing weapons for the military. More exactly, the military-industrial complex is the relationship shared between the two. Which has nothing to do with the United States Army/Marines/Air Force/Navy sending personnel/experts/equipment to be part of a film or TV series. :)

[wayskobfssae]

Whats so bad about that? You aren't forced to join. :)

*coughfalseadvertisingcough*

[Commando Nukem]

*coughfalseadvertisingcough*

Considering i've dealt with dozens of recruiters over the years, in and out of the recruitment office, I've never seen any particular misleading information given. The biggest one i've heard people complain about is ridiculous, and thats "They didnt station me where they said they would!!" No shit? It's the military, not travelocity. They're going to put you where they need people.

[X-Vector]

Whats so bad about that? You aren't forced to join. :)


The US military must be going soft then, because I don't see any proper reason why people shouldn't be.

IMO any red-blooded young American male that refuses to serve his country is either a hippie or a commie and is therefore not mentally fit to make that decision anyway.

[Malgon]

I've seen a bit of the first one but I don't really remember all that much. Is it worth watching?

[X-Vector]

If you're not expecting more than well produced 80's cheese, then I guess it is.

[ShadowsWake]

The theme song rules!:cool:

I LOVED the Topgun theme song. . .
it's a beautiful thing to play on guitar. ^___^

Actually, I love Topgun itself. THe ifrst time I watched it was when I was 7 or 8 years old I think, and MAN. . .the music, the aerial dogfights, the chracters, the attitude, the passion!!!! Oh man. . . to this day I still love that movie. I like it even more now that I can actually understand what's going on.

I would really be interested in seeing a Topgun 2, assuming they give it the respect it deserves and don't try to turn it into a special effects driven frag fest that throws any sort of captivating characters, dialogue and storylines out the window,like the movie "Stealth" did so well. Don't get me wrong, I really did like the action scenes in Stealth, but because everything else was practically non existant, there was nothing really memorable about any of the characters or anything. In Top gun, however, it isn't the action I remember, it's Maverick, and everything he went through.

[ShadowsWake]

The US military must be going soft then, because I don't see any proper reason why people shouldn't be.

IMO any red-blooded young American male that refuses to serve his country is either a hippie or a commie and is therefore not mentally fit to make that decision anyway.

In my opinion, I think that's a very narrow minded view. I have a friend in the US military, and he brought up the fact to me that refusing to join the army doesn't mean you're refusing to serve your country. As long as you're doing something good for your country and it's citizens ( which can be something as simple as serving Pizza at Pizza hut, which helps feed your fellow americans with tasty food) then you're serving your country.

In my personal opinion, any red-blooded american male who believes the only way to serve his country is to fight, kill and die for it, is not mentally fit to open his mouth.

But that's just my two cents.

[X-Vector]

http://a2.vox.com/6a00c2252704628e1d00d09e836d72be2b-320pi

Col. Jessup is not amused.

which can be something as simple as serving Pizza at Pizza hut, which helps feed your fellow americans with tasty food

I am amused, though.

[wayskobfssae]

IMO any red-blooded young American male that refuses to serve his country is either a hippie or a commie and is therefore not mentally fit to make that decision anyway.

... Commies? Dude... what decade are you living in?

And it doesn't take a Hippie to realize how little U.S. wars have accomplished in the past 50 years. Maybe some people just want to fight in a war that will actually make a difference in the end, rather than something that results in the U.S. beating down a country, and then rebuild it, which results in the U.S. having even less money, resources, and lives, and a more rotten global reputation, than it did beforehand. Yeah, that feels like a great way to "serve" your country.

[wayskobfssae]

Considering i've dealt with dozens of recruiters over the years, in and out of the recruitment office, I've never seen any particular misleading information given. The biggest one i've heard people complain about is ridiculous, and thats "They didnt station me where they said they would!!" No shit? It's the military, not travelocity. They're going to put you where they need people.

That's not what I'm talking about. They didn't have to mislead anyone, the film did it for them.

Seriously, recruiting for the Navy at the end of a Top Gun screening is about as fair as a college trying to grab new Bioengineering students in a crowd who's just seen Jurassic Park for the first time. It's feeding on all sorts of unrealistic expectations in the minds of people who haven't even come down off the rush yet.

[Commando Nukem]

That's not what I'm talking about. They didn't have to mislead anyone, the film did it for them.

Seriously, recruiting for the Navy at the end of a Top Gun screening is about as fair as a college trying to grab new Bioengineering students in a crowd who's just seen Jurassic Park for the first time. It's feeding on all sorts of unrealistic expectations in the minds of people who haven't even come down off the rush yet.

Sounds like individualism is being projected away from the self. People need to keep their expectations in check and be real about things like big life decisions.

[wayskobfssae]

Sounds like individualism is being projected away from the self. People need to keep their expectations in check and be real about things like big life decisions.

Spoken like a true used car salesman.

[Ramen4ever]

A vh what now?

My point exactly, "Top .. what now?" What the hell is top gun??? They'd probably have better luck with making an under siege 3 or Street Fighter: The Movie II (Ultra extreme edition).

Sorry for the late reply but I completely forgot this thread even existed lol.
I think Tarantino summed up Top Gun perfectly. :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHklGtW3rwU

[Daveman]

And? Its not exactly cheap stuff we're talking about
And? Studios have the money to pay for it, normally. The military jumped on the chance to give it to them for free in Top Gun. I don't see how your response is in any way a rebuttal? :confused:

They "threw" advisers and equipment at the film to ensure accuracy in where they could. Hollywood does often ignore this advice in favor of the story however. Particularly depending on whatever is going to make them the most money, during the 80s that was pride in ones country.
Oh please, there was nothing accurate about the movie whatsoever. They threw the equipment at them to encourage the studio to make the movie "sexy". It's not exactly a conspiratorial crackpot theory to say that the military likes working with Hollywood when it's for their own good. They jumped at the chance to help with Top Gun just like they did with The Green Berets. Both are a half-step away from propaganda.



Whats so bad about that? You aren't forced to join. :)
It doesn't reflect a certain collaboration between the filmmakers and the military? It doesn't strike you as a little dishonest that the military would capitalize on the predicted success of the film and recruit young people after such a blatantly inaccurate representation of military life? Say that it's not that bad, sure, but don't try to say that it's not dishonest.



You're implying the military itself is somehow a defaultly insidious organisation, not the "military-industrial" complex.
You're assuming that there's no such thing as malevolence on the part of the US government and military; an assumption that the past 50 years of foreign policy clearly contradict.
The military-industrial complex is nothing more than civilian companies building and designing weapons for the military. More exactly, the military-industrial complex is the relationship shared between the two. Which has nothing to do with the United States Army/Marines/Air Force/Navy sending personnel/experts/equipment to be part of a film or TV series. :)
How is that not related? The military is part of the military-industrial complex, with profits from wars. The military wanted increased recruitment from the movie that makes war seem exciting, sexy, self-indulgent, and fun. The military-industrial complex got a good image from the success of the film. Who do you think provided the equipment? Who do you think provided the advisers?

Sounds like individualism is being projected away from the self. People need to keep their expectations in check and be real about things like big life decisions.
Yes, let's not blame the military for capitalizing on the deception they helped create.

[Commando Nukem]

Spoken like a true used car salesman.

Hey im just saying, if people were more aware of their choices and thought things through, we'd have a lot less babies being born, murders, robberies... and all around dumb people on this planet. If you get suckered into something and you didnt think it through, didnt make sure it was what you wanted, thats your fault. Either way the lesson is learned, either via experience or through observation of who you can and cannot trust.

I'm not saying I dont make dumb choices, or that mistakes cant be made, its just something like joining the military, or any career path, should not be something you decide after watching a MOVIE. "Hey, I just watched Doctor Ross save a drowning child on ER! I want to be a doctor now!"

Im not saying Top Gun was a great movie. I enjoyed it growing up, its got a good message. I just have a problem when people want to try and put the way the movie portrays the military ON the military... Yet nobody seems to defend the military when they are portrayed in the extreme opposite of the spectrum by other films.

[Daveman]

Hey im just saying, if people were more aware of their choices and thought things through, we'd have a lot less babies being born, murders, robberies... and all around dumb people on this planet. If you get suckered into something and you didnt think it through, didnt make sure it was what you wanted, thats your fault. Either way the lesson is learned, either via experience or through observation of who you can and cannot trust.

I'm not saying I dont make dumb choices, or that mistakes cant be made, its just something like joining the military, or any career path, should not be something you decide after watching a MOVIE. "Hey, I just watched Doctor Ross save a drowning child on ER! I want to be a doctor now!"
Personal responsibility is great, but just saying people should have more responsibility doesn't solve the problem. There are systems of manipulation out there that need to be objected to. The military misleading people about military life and then recruiting them immediately afterwards, for example.

Im not saying Top Gun was a great movie. I enjoyed it growing up, its got a good message. I just have a problem when people want to try and put the way the movie portrays the military ON the military... Yet nobody seems to defend the military when they are portrayed in the extreme opposite of the spectrum by other films.
Well, there is a huge backlash against it most of the time, actually. There aren't too many films which portray the military in a truly bad light. It's quite the opposite, for the most part. Hell, there's even backlash when people in other countries portray the American military in a bad light. Remember Kurtlar vadisi - Irak (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0493264/)?

[wayskobfssae]

Hey im just saying, if people were more aware of their choices and thought things through, we'd have a lot less babies being born, murders, robberies... and all around dumb people on this planet. If you get suckered into something and you didnt think it through, didnt make sure it was what you wanted, thats your fault. Either way the lesson is learned, either via experience or through observation of who you can and cannot trust.

Actually, applying the "People shouldn't be so stupid" argument as an excuse for legitimizing the morality of recruiting moviegoers is no different from a Murderer saying "He should've been smart enough to duck" or a robber saying "They should've installed a better alarm system" to justify their actions. I'm not picking on the military about this. I'd say the same thing about anyone who pulled a stunt like that.

[Commando Nukem]

The difference here is the military is not forcing you to walk in, sit down, listen to them talk, read the fine print, sign your name, and join the military.

Hey, I have an idea... Lets just totally demilitarise. Lets just be pacifists. We've already accomated those who dont want to join by getting rid of the draft or mandatory service, lets just take it to the next step and not have a military at all! Brilliant! :)

Top Gun is a movie, a mediocre 80s movie. If anyone joined up because they thought the movie was accurate (Pro or Con, I dont care, Hollywood DOES tend to make the military out to be a monster on the INDIVIDUAL level.) Its their fault if they were dissappointed with what they got.

That begs the question. I haven't heard anyone saying they WERE dissappointed by joining the navy after seeing Top Gun or any other movie.


and Daveman, you're wrong. Aside from Irak and "Redacted" not too many anti war and anti military movies get lashed by anyone. They either tank at the box office because people are tired of it. Or they become a "Platoon" "Thin Red Line" "Jarheads." The Marines have this thing called the 10%. I've spoken with a few who think Hollywood has the 10% mixed with the 90%.

[Daveman]

You think the movies you listed are anti-US military? The only movie I can think of that would actually fit into that classification would be G.I. Jane, and that's a bit of a stretch. The movies you listed aren't critical of the US, they're critical of warfare as a whole. Yes, they're pacifist movies, but it's no different than a pacifist movie about any other nation's military. It doesn't count as "bad press" for the military if the message speaks out against violence and warfare on the whole. The fact is that most movies with the military in them glorify the service and cast the US as heroes. I'm not saying that's always misplaced or that it's evil, but when the military goes out of its way to help create a misleading image of what military life is like with the goal of boosting recruitment, you can expect a lot of people to call that underhanded.

[Commando Nukem]

You think the movies you listed are anti-US military?

Yes I do, and they are. Look at the characters they portray within those movies. In Thin Red Line the main commander is a depressed selfish facist who doesnt care how many of his men get killed as long as he gets a promotion or an award. You've got characters wall-to-wall who are seemingly unintelligent, most of any military strategy seems absent, many other characters make remarks that imply the military during world war 2 fought for nigh anything except "property."

Jarheads? Similar, the soldiers lack any sense of discipline or training, they act on emotion more then training, military strategy and procedure is seemingly non-existant, and again, many of the soldiers are portrayed as ignorant.

Platoon? Potheads, rapists, village burners, no sign of military discipline at all. Everyone who isnt a coward or a criminal is smoking excess amounts of pot. The only characters who seems to have ANY humanity are Keith Davids character and Elias.

Now to try and steer back on topic... I don't think that a Top Gun 2 is needed anyway, there was nothing left unresolved in the first film that needs to be continued. This just seems to be a cash-in for the 80s nostalgia going around. Of course they can always find a contrived way to continue something like this, but honestly its not going to work unless they totally do something thats NOT what Top Gun was. Those who like Top Gun like it for the reasons most others seem to dislike it. So... No, I just cant see this being anything but splatter on the wall.

[Steve]

This thread takes my breath away :cool:

[Daveman]

Alright, fair enough, let's stay on topic, but for the record, the target of criticism in Platoon was the draft system rather than the military itself. That was pretty clear.

Anyway, Top Gun 2...god I hope not.

[wayskobfssae]

This thread takes my breath away :cool:

Best post! :D

[Marcos_Edson]

Best post! :D

True. :D

[Malgon]

If you're not expecting more than well produced 80's cheese, then I guess it is.

I guess I'll get to it eventually then.

[Ironside]

The muslamic tourists don't have fighter jets so I wonder who will be the bad guys.

[wayskobfssae]

The muslamic tourists don't have fighter jets so I wonder who will be the bad guys.

They have Boeings...

[Daveman]

Holy shit man, too soon :D

It would probably be about Iran or just an ambiguous evil country, like the first one.

[Nessus]

The biggest problem is that none of our current conflicts are with anybody that has an Air Force. Did anyone even get a plane off the ground in either Iraq or Afghanistan in the last five years?

[wayskobfssae]

The biggest problem is that none of our current conflicts are with anybody that has an Air Force. Did anyone even get a plane off the ground in either Iraq or Afghanistan in the last five years?

If you want to see a good approximation of the air war in Iraq, watch Iron Eagle. :D