Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2

[Damien_Azreal]

We knew it was coming but here it is....

http://www.xbox360fanboy.com/2008/12/03/call-of-duty-modern-warfare-2-announced/

Discuss. :)

[Echo Black]

Setting matters little in the end, but I wish they'd go for something different. Pseudo-Iraq and WW2 aren't the only theaters of war available, you know.

[Damien_Azreal]

Agreed. But we'll have to wait and see how this one goes.... hopefully Infinity Ward are still behind it.

[Kev_Boy]

Who would've thought it'd ever get this far though, I mean Call Of Duty was good but I never saw 6 (or more) sequels kind of good.
Bravo to Infinity and Treyarch I suppose.. :)

[ZuljinRaynor]

Oh god.

[Komb.at]

Well at least that settles the rumors of a COD: Vietnam or 2048...
I'm all for modern warfare, at least the setting hasn't been beat to death like WW2..

[avatar_58]

Maybe not -

http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/56219

[Daveman]

Assuming it'll turn out to be true:

I want a better single-player campaign. The first Call of Duty was great, and it handled scripted things without infinite respawns like COD4 did. And I want them to get rid of the ******* martyrdom perk. I use it, don't get me wrong, but I'd rather I not have the choice, honestly.

[Sang]

Setting matters little in the end, but I wish they'd go for something different. Pseudo-Iraq and WW2 aren't the only theaters of war available, you know.

Oh wow. I can understand that people were complaining about WW2 being overused after like 4 or 5 games but they've made one game that has that Middle Eastern setting.. So I don't see how you can complain about that being an overused theatre of war.
Is this just complaining for the sake of complaining?

[sawn_off]

I think he's referring to military themed shooters in general, in which case the Middle East has in fact been frequented.

[Sang]

Well I think every developer has the right to present their vision of that theatre of war. Bad thing is most developers just rip off eachother's stuff but I'd say Infinity War is pretty original so no biggy.

[Echo Black]

Oh wow. I can understand that people were complaining about WW2 being overused after like 4 or 5 games but they've made one game that has that Middle Eastern setting.. So I don't see how you can complain about that being an overused theatre of war.
Is this just complaining for the sake of complaining?

Cannot I, and did not I, simply express my impressions of the setting? If it was not completely clear, I did not mean to frame my comment inside only of this particular series. The reason I'm voicing a "complaint" for matters not - what is uncanny to me is how the lack of a quickly-whipped interpersonal pretext will almost always manage to stir a flimsily supported retort, or indeed upset some.

[hanged_man]

Hopefully they stick to the middle east set. I think they're are the most fun and a lot better than the russian's and the most played online maps are the ones in the Middle East

[alexgk]

Imo, a new setting would be the best choice...

[Denz]

come on bring me WW1

[Vivi]

come on bring me WW1

It'd be you sitting in a trench majority of the time.

[jimbob]

falkland wars then perhaps? maybe a great battle with or against napoleon?

or perhaps south african civil wars?

[Daveman]

Vietnam. How long until they make it? It's intense enough to be a Call of Duty game but different enough to make it not a rehashed cash-in.

[Phait]

They need to go Hidden and Dangerous 2 route. Much less linearity, more replayability. H&D 2 spanked COD 2 in my book.

[ZuljinRaynor]

They need to go Hidden and Dangerous 2 route. Much less linearity, more replayability. H&D 2 spanked COD 2 in my book.

It's a different target audience. Call of Duty is about intense, in your face shooting with heavy reliance on scripted events and with arcade gunplay. It won't be Call of Duty if they do otherwise. :p

[Phait]

They can blend the two.

[Hellbound]

vietnam. How long until they make it? It's intense enough to be a call of duty game but different enough to make it not a rehashed cash-in.

agreed!

[slapnutz]

Not that I'm an expert on Vietnam but how would the publishers sell a product where the player isnt on the winning side?

[Phait]

Hypothetical game.

[Jokke_r]

whats the matter if you're on the winning side or not, you know you can win battles but still lose a war. I'd very much like to see a WW2 game played from the german perspective, or with a Winter War theathre played from the finnish perspective against overwhelming (yet badly prepared) russians.

Vietnam is very hard to do in Call of duty since, COD is mostly linear maps with scripted events. I don't think players would really like linear jungle maps. Jungle is supposed to be non-linear, i'd get pretty pissed if i'd be walking in canyons all the time. It would have to be atleast on the level of crysis in non-linearity.

[Karthik]

It's a different target audience. Call of Duty is about intense, in your face shooting with heavy reliance on scripted events and with arcade gunplay. It won't be Call of Duty if they do otherwise. :p
We should coin a new term for it. I officially call it "Hollywood style scripted shooter".

[Hellbound]

Not that I'm an expert on Vietnam but how would the publishers sell a product where the player isnt on the winning side?

Well, I would like to be on Vietcong side :mad: :cool:

[sawn_off]

It'd take forever to develop (or you'd see the same tree fifteen thousand times), it'd always take place around cliffs and tiny hills like Metal Gear Solid 3, and it's not fun walking into booby traps or getting picked off by people in trees you can't see.

[Phait]

That's just wrong :o

Well, I would like to be on Vietcong side

[Hellbound]

That's just wrong :o

Why? I always wanted to play as that 'evil' side. I dream about WW2 game where you are Wehrmaht or SS soldier nad shooting Americans, british and russian soldiers etc. Same goes for that I would like to be a Vietcong soldier!

[Phait]

If I need to explain why...

[ZuljinRaynor]

Wehrmaht
Fine.

SS
Wrong.

[peoplessi]

Not that I'm an expert on Vietnam but how would the publishers sell a product where the player isnt on the winning side?

Those who have balls for it, THQ for example with Relic's Company of Heroes: Opposing Fronts.

Fine.

Wehrmacht.

Wrong.

Waffen-SS would be, I think, what he meant.

[Hellbound]

Yeah, it's spelled Wehrmacht, but I think Zuljin thought about hmmm... morality of these two armies and playing as wehrmacht soldier isn't very politically incorrect, but as SS soldier - would be. And that's why I would like to play as SS soldier! :D

[sawn_off]

Man, imagine a world wherein we could have a thread about Call of Duty that doesn't do this.

[ZuljinRaynor]

Wehrmacht. Yeah, they are fine. Wouldn't mind playing one of them as long as it isn't killing Poles. :p



Waffen-SS would be, I think, what he meant. Yeah, I dunno... they're also like Nazi Nazis so they shared Hitlers beliefs. Especially considering they are volunteers. I don't think they should be played.

Yeah, it's spelled Wehrmacht, but I think Zuljin thought about hmmm... morality of these two armies and playing as wehrmacht soldier isn't very politically incorrect, but as SS soldier - would be. And that's why I would like to play as SS soldier! :D

No, SS is just more like... these guys are Nazis while the other guys are just normal guys who are part of the army who don't necessarily agree with Hitler.

[peoplessi]

Yeah, it's spelled Wehrmacht, but I think Zuljin thought about hmmm... morality of these two armies and playing as wehrmacht soldier isn't very politically incorrect, but as SS soldier - would be. And that's why I would like to play as SS soldier! :D

Waffen-SS is the combat arm of SS, for playing as SS - that wouldn't be too fun. Their exposure to combat was very limited. Waffen-SS on the other hand was a fighting unit, but their close ties to NDSPA would be hard to sell. Although, I can't see why making a Red Army games would be any different.

Wehrmacht is Luftwaffe, Kriegsmarine, Heer and Waffen-SS combined, although often used to describe Heer.

[ZuljinRaynor]

Although, I can't see why making a Red Army games would be any different.

Easy, you play as a conscript in COD, not a Stalinist. You play as a lowly guy who got drafted in to fight. You're not there massacring innocents or your own officers or whater.



Wehrmacht is Luftwaffer, Kriegsmarine, Heer and Waffen-SS combined, although often used to describe Heer.

Yeah, I mean Heer of course. :p

[peoplessi]

It's as easy to make a game for the Axis side then. Keeping the idealism aside.

[ZuljinRaynor]

It's as easy to make a game for the Axis side then. Keeping the idealism aside.

Yeah. That is all you have to do and it IS fine. Some people would still probably be up in arms but serious, most people in the war had nothing to do with ideals.

[Phait]

I'd like to see a game where one of the forced German citizens makes a break and fights alongside an American.

Reminds me of stories of WW2 pilots from both sides who would get to interview eachother after the war in their old age, and actually befriended eachother.

[Stevey Boy]

I think they should do 'Nam and itd be cool to fight as the 'cong IMO I mean its only a game, right?

[Echo Black]

People that get offended at the idea of playing as WW2 Germany in a game are the ones that cannot separate entertainment from reality. Shooters often glorify the act of killing, yet nobody gives much of a shit - But all it takes is a slightly unsavory context to make people uneasy and moralist about it.

I wouldn't mind playing as the goddamn Hitler Youth in a game - Doesn't make me accept their ideals, nor it sways my moral resolves one bit.

[Phait]

Such entertainment is just questionable.

[Echo Black]

Not any more questionable than getting a thrill from watching a movie like, say, "Hostel". Or, to mention something that's also based on real facts, "The Zodiac".

[Monkey Butler]

Such entertainment is just questionable.

I don't think it's questionable in terms of morality or whatever (although much more 'questionable' than a game fighting as a Viet Cong soldier) but I'm not really sure why anyone would want to play as a member of the Waffen-SS. I'm not so sure the comparison to something like Hostel is valid, because there at least there's the "I wonder just how gory it's going to be?" appeal. I don't think there'd be anything like that in a game playing as an SS soldier - the actual gameplay wouldn't be much different, and I can't really imagine an FPS, let alone a CoD, having a compelling enough story so that playing as a Nazi didn't come off either as an insensitive gimmick or as a cliched ploy so that half-way through the player can see the error of his ways and defect and single-handedly win the war for the Allies.

[Hellbound]

Echo Black has the point.

Throwing away all controversial sides, I would really like to play as AK soldier - it was the world's biggest ever underground army, made in Poland. Yeah, being guerilla would be very cool and actually I can't remind any fpp game where you could be a part of underground resistance.

[Daveman]

wor with a Winter War theathre played from the finnish perspective against overwhelming (yet badly prepared) russians.
I've been asking for this game for over a year. :(

Anyway whatever controversy there would be playing as a regular German soldier, there would probably be more if they put you as a Vietcong. Though there shouldn't be controversy either way, really, because a lot of the VC were in the same boat as the German/Russian/British/Finnish/American soldiers in WWII.

[Telee]

I think they should do 'Nam and itd be cool to fight as the 'cong IMO I mean its only a game, right?

Vietcong 2 had a Vietcong campaign (although it was very short and kinda boring, unfortunately).

[peoplessi]

I don't think it's questionable in terms of morality or whatever (although much more 'questionable' than a game fighting as a Viet Cong soldier) but I'm not really sure why anyone would want to play as a member of the Waffen-SS. I'm not so sure the comparison to something like Hostel is valid, because there at least there's the "I wonder just how gory it's going to be?" appeal. I don't think there'd be anything like that in a game playing as an SS soldier - the actual gameplay wouldn't be much different, and I can't really imagine an FPS, let alone a CoD, having a compelling enough story so that playing as a Nazi didn't come off either as an insensitive gimmick or as a cliched ploy so that half-way through the player can see the error of his ways and defect and single-handedly win the war for the Allies.

You could, well maybe not in CoD you couldn't, present missions that aren't that decisive in the whole scheme of things. Base them on real history, as Relic did in Company of Heroes: Opposing Fronts. They made the campaign revolve around "Operation Market Garden". In that way it wouldn't be too "questionable". Even for Waffen-SS, you don't have to make it political, they fought battles too, not handing out pro-Nazi flyers. For example I doubt that the Finnish Waffen-SS division had nazism in mind when they joined.

[Monkey Butler]

But the backlash wouldn't be worth it, would it? I mean, why play with the hornets nest of allowing players to be Nazis if they gameplay is going to be similar to playing as an Allied soldier and if the story isn't going to touch on any of the ideology?

[peoplessi]

Guess it wouldn't, but that's just due the preconveived misconceptions people have on said subjects. For a CoD game it wouldn't work, it has always been a happy story about happy "good"side/allies dude winning the war alone :)

[0marTheZealot]

A WW2 game as the Wehrmacht or the SS would be awesome.

Some of the best fighting regiments of the entire war were from the Waffen SS. The 1st and 2nd Divisions were particularly elite with more Knight's Cross Holders' coming from Das Reich than any other division in the war. The KCH was basically the Medal of Honor on steroids. For example, Michael Wittman, a famous tank commander, basically stopped an entire army by himself and "only" received swords to his Knight's Cross.

[ReadOnly]

Clin Eastwood made a film about japanese soldiers fighting americans. And before him there were films about German forces fighting.

Plus, Phait said about "entertainment". Games starting to be move more and more towards art-like stuff. The first "cutscene" in CoD4 wasn't entertainable as you watched people die on streets when you were being trasported for an execution.

Btw, having a game where german soldier fights alongside americans... Man, that would be so CHEESY.

I've just remembered. When playing in Manhunt people were "offended" by the brutal kills and not by the fact that you're playing a serial killer.

I'm all for a freedom in expression and let others to decide. SS may be a risky stuff, but playing a normal german soldier - why not?

Oh, it would be great playing a german when the soviets are attacking Berlin. Maybe it would be not an entire game, but the segment. And at the end you die looking as soviets raising their flag over Reichstag meaning you and your fellows failed.

[SpinX]

Isn't infinity ward sick of that call of duty crap? always the same missions where you have to take out artillery, tanks etc... etc...

[Phayzon]

I wouldnt mind a CoDMW2. I loved CoD4's multiplayer, the weapons are pretty damn fun to use. Thats one of the reasons I cant get into CoDWaW, the guns just arent as fun to use. Long story short, I want to keep whoring out my M16 and M40 :)

[0marTheZealot]

I have to say, this is one of the most convoluted gaming titles I've ever seen.

[Hudson]

I hope this game is more than 5 hours long :o

[Ironside]

H&D 2 spanked COD 2 in my book.

This is because your a single player gamer. Multiplayer is where Iam at, I love fighting real combatants. H&D was a great sp game but CoD4 is both a great sp and mp game which attracts more gamers. :)

edit, opps I thought you were talking about cod 4, my bad.

[hellchicken]

I wouldn't mind playing as the goddamn Hitler Youth in a game - Doesn't make me accept their ideals, nor it sways my moral resolves one bit.

Ha, exactly my thinking. Let us play as the f***ing Wehrmacht or the SS in a CoD game, now that would be a refreshing change in a WW2 shooter for once. It certainly worked in Company of Heroes: Opposing Fronts.

But I do realize we'll not get such a game because unfortunately there are too many idiots around who actually can't separate reality from entertainment and would turn such a game into a f***ing tool for their hate-mongering propaganda BS campaign.

But as for MW2, any infos on that yet? I suppose it would be a direct continuation of MW1?! Again with the deserts and arabs and russians asf.?

[Cleric]

^I hope it's not a direct continuation. As fun as it is, I actually stopped playing CoD4 multiplayer because I was getting sick of the setting. Give me some more varied locations in the next game - would it be too much to ask for some nice, pure white snowy levels? Those are always my favorite in any game.

[Phait]

*cough* H&D 2 *cough*

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/1827/37165274cl0.jpg

[hanged_man]

I'd like to see a game where one of the forced German citizens makes a break and fights alongside an American.

that would be considered Treachery and i don't think it sounds right for an honest German citizen to fight his own people for the sake of strangers who are destroying his towns and raping his women, no matter how bad their leaders were.

[Cleric]

Well, I'm sure that not every German civilian would have agreed with the Nazi party. I mean, hell, even some of the Nazis themselves wanted Hitler dead, and came pretty close to doing so.

[Ironside]

that would be considered Treachery and i don't think it sounds right for an honest German citizen to fight his own people for the sake of strangers who are destroying his towns and raping his women, no matter how bad their leaders were.

OMG dude the Americans weren't destroying German towns and raping German women. What history book is that in? I think you mean the Russians.

[Cleric]

*cough* H&D 2 *cough*


Are you trying to imply that H&D 2 has snowy levels for me?:D

[Klaus Kinski]

Eh, buddy, you can't fight a war without destroying towns.

[Ironside]

Eh, buddy, you can't fight a war without destroying towns.
I dont think it was the Americans agenda to destroy the infrastructure over there. We took out the war machine not the civilians, that's what I was referring to. It is well documented who the Germans were afraid of. I just watched a doco called Germany's apocalypse about the end days of the war. It is clear that the Russians were the ones deliberately destroying towns and raping young girls.

[hanged_man]

I dont think it was the Americans agenda to destroy the infrastructure over there. We took out the war machine not the civilians, that's what I was referring to. It is well documented who the Germans were afraid of. I just watched a doco called Germany's apocalypse about the end days of the war. It is clear that the Russians were the ones deliberately destroying towns and raping young girls.

and they were allies with the Russians, that makes them committed with the same crime. Thank god we saw that happening in today with Iraq, they've destroyed the infrastructure and done awful things to bring them to the stone ages and they've done the same thing to Germany and to Japan, the nuclear bombs were unnecessary and they were about to win war and they could have done it without completely destroying those cities

[jimbob]

war is a bad thing, and bad things happen during a war. so just be glad its over so we can make videogames about it.

and be glad those videogames dont show half of the things that really happend during the war.

[Ironside]

It is a shame what Hitler did to Germany and Europe, likewise what the Yakuza inspired Japanese government did to Japan and the south Pacific. We all should be thankful that brave men and women were there to stop the spread of war. I do feel for the Japanese people because unfortunately it took the complete destruction of some of their war factories and the cities they were located in for their government to immediately surrender.

Fact, the USA used German intelligence and German plans to outmaneuver the Russians following ww2 during the cold war.

[Cleric]

and they were allies with the Russians, that makes them committed with the same crime. Thank god we saw that happening in today with Iraq, they've destroyed the infrastructure and done awful things to bring them to the stone ages and they've done the same thing to Germany and to Japan, the nuclear bombs were unnecessary and they were about to win war and they could have done it without completely destroying those cities

I have to disagree with your first statement. How is that logical at all? How are the American forces at fault for what the Soviets did? Is it just because they were fighting on the same side? If I recall, after the war Berlin was divided, with half of it dominated by the Soviets. It was the US that supplied the Germans with provisions when the wall was built.
Sure, the US and Russia were both fighting to stop the Nazi war machine, but their views on what to do afterwards clashed dramatically. That's what created all of that tension, and that set the grounds for the Cold War. They were fighting for the same thing, but in very different ways.
I don't see how one nation could be at fault for another nation's actions. By your logic, Japan could have said it was Britain's fault that Hiroshima was destroyed because they were our allies.

[Echo Black]

This is gonna sound crazy, but I hate how often a new CoD releases! The new one (well, the IW ones) always buries the developing multiplayer community of its predecessor. CoD2's MP was brilliant, but it died too soon. CoD4's is going strong (World at War didn't affect it all), but this Modern Warfare 2 is sure to extinguish its community when it arrives.

[Cleric]

All I hope for is (like I said before) varied environments and continuation of the gore seen in WaW :)

[Daveman]

I have to disagree with your first statement. How is that logical at all? How are the American forces at fault for what the Soviets did? Is it just because they were fighting on the same side?
Legal guilt and personal responsibility are two different things. The fact is, the Soviet advance into Eastern Germany is one of the worst war crimes in history and it still goes untold because high school history books can't be so complicated as to show that both the Nazis and the Soviets were pretty bad. And the US didn't do anything to try to stop what was happening, even though they were likely aware of it. I'm not saying the US is responsible, but some shame should be felt by all the Allied nations for such a terrible atrocity.

Anyway, if Phait is going to keep plugging H&D2, I'm going to keep plugging the Winter War! I just read this (http://www.amazon.ca/Winter-War-Soviet-Finland-1939-1940/dp/0811724336), it's amazing.

[Ironside]

CoD4's is going strong (World at War didn't affect it all), but this Modern Warfare 2 is sure to extinguish its community when it arrives.

Yeah I know. They better be smart about this new modern warfare game and stick to the same gameplay that makes cod4 such a outstanding game.

[ZuljinRaynor]

and they were allies with the Russians, that makes them committed with the same crime.
Even though the Soviets were on the Allied side and did get aid from the States, they had their own agenda and were only allied in the sense that they have the same enemy. Race to Berlin mean nothing? Who ever was gonna get there first would dictate more.


Japan, the nuclear bombs were unnecessary and they were about to win war and they could have done it without completely destroying those cities

As much as I hate the atom bomb, you do realize why they used it right? Japan was going to fight until they couldn't fight anymore. I don't like the fact that they used it but there was rational. They saw it as less deaths. Otherwise it would be more and more fighting and bloodshed before Japan finally gave up.

[hanged_man]

They saw it as less deaths. Otherwise it would be more and more fighting and bloodshed before Japan finally gave up.
Less death from the american's side, don't convince they cared about the innocent japanese people.
Anyway, i don't see this as the good vs the bad, and the good won the war, both sides had their hidden agendas and the supposedly "good" side had committed several war crimes in many parts of the world (for example, they've helped in stealing a country from the righteous owners and giving it away to some stranger and that land would be called Palestine). My post will probably get edited for stating these facts.
And the french, the english and the americans have committed war crimes and killed many innocent people and claiming them as the good side sounds a bit silly for me.

[Cleric]

^First of all, get off your high horse with the "My post will probably get edited for stating these facts" remark. Second, what does the Palestine argument have to do with World War 2? That took place before 1920.

A lot of people died during WWII, and among the dead were a lot of innocents. A majority of those civilian deaths could be, and are, considered "war crimes". Each side of the conflict was guilty of some degree of unethical behavior, but that doesn't mean that the U.S. forces can be lumped together with the Nazi party. Like it or not, people will always refer to the Allies as "the good guys" because they were the lesser of two evils.

Legal guilt and personal responsibility are two different things. The fact is, the Soviet advance into Eastern Germany is one of the worst war crimes in history and it still goes untold because high school history books can't be so complicated as to show that both the Nazis and the Soviets were pretty bad. And the US didn't do anything to try to stop what was happening, even though they were likely aware of it. I'm not saying the US is responsible, but some shame should be felt by all the Allied nations for such a terrible atrocity.

Good point. Well played :)

[hanged_man]

^First of all, get off your high horse with the "My post will probably get edited for stating these facts" remark. Second, what does the Palestine argument have to do with World War 2? That took place before 1920.
What does it have to do with WW2 !!! it's one of the major results of the allies victory in WW2 and no it didnt happen in 1920, the jewish immigration might have started during those years (during the english occupation) but this thievery was completed right after the the 2nd world war (at 1948 to be more accurate). Anyway, enough with politics.
and i wonder how Modern Warfare 2 will be like compared to the upcoming Medal of Honor, i've read a rumour once that it will be very much the same and during modern time and to be set somewhere in Afghanistan.

[0marTheZealot]

I dont think it was the Americans agenda to destroy the infrastructure over there. We took out the war machine not the civilians, that's what I was referring to. It is well documented who the Germans were afraid of. I just watched a doco called Germany's apocalypse about the end days of the war. It is clear that the Russians were the ones deliberately destroying towns and raping young girls.

errr, the US indiscriminately bombed much of Germany, the best example being the fire bombing of Dresden.

[peoplessi]

So much offtopic talk, I am wondering how Call of Duty 6 will differ from 4th. Since the theme seems to be still the same, how much innovation they can have in the franchise? Modern Warfare was a fresh spin, but another one of same league feels more or less like nothing new.

[Klaus Kinski]

Oh, there's a lot you could do with a modern setting. I'd like to see some special forces fighting in a large city, think "Heat". Although, that wouldn't work in a US setting, so it would probably the SAS taking down terrorists, preferably in London. :)
I would also like to see additional playable nations other than the US and UK. Maybe some other europeans this time. Spain? France?

[ZuljinRaynor]

If they're gonna have a stupid campaign like that American one in COD4, please just make it one campaign. It's not the fact how it ends that bugs me, it's the fact that I didn't give a crap about any of the USA NPCs. In COD1 and COD2 I did, not here.

[Ironside]

errr, the US indiscriminately bombed much of Germany, the best example being the fire bombing of Dresden.

Yeah it is damn good that we stopped those nasty German civilians!

on topic, the inclusion of playable vehicles would be great! (so we can kill all those civilians properly)

[peoplessi]

Oh, there's a lot you could do with a modern setting. I'd like to see some special forces fighting in a large city, think "Heat". Although, that wouldn't work in a US setting, so it would probably the SAS taking down terrorists, preferably in London. :)
I would also like to see additional playable nations other than the US and UK. Maybe some other europeans this time. Spain? France?

They could, but would they? :) That's the key, if it's as the name suggest a "more-of-the-same" I'm very dissappointed. CoD4 SP was good, nothing special. It also had a lot of stupid design things, like the last big battle... Maybe they got bored? The flying missions as a gunner were something cool and different. But including vehicles... it might not turn out as people envision it. Especially the MP, which is the keything people look in CoD4 - the majority buys it for the MP.

[Klaus Kinski]

Well, who would've thought the CoD franchise would simply switch to imaginary, modern condflicts?
I think the franchise has the potential to surprise us although, cynic me, it'll probably work out the same way CoD 2 did compared to the first. A bit new stuff but all in all the same. Not that I'd be terribly disappointed or something...

[Scream]

But including vehicles... it might not turn out as people envision it. Especially the MP, which is the keything people look in CoD4 - the majority buys it for the MP.

They had vehicles in 2 and 3, both single and multiplayer, and they were fun. I don't know why they couldn't do the same in a modern setting.

[Ironside]

Yeah I had alot of fun in 3 jumping in a jeep and driving like a mad man across the battlefield. Mind you I would get killed but it was fun nonetheless.

[Klaus Kinski]

They had vehicles in 2 and 3, both single and multiplayer, and they were fun. I don't know why they couldn't do the same in a modern setting.

CoD2 had no drivable vehicles in SP.

[peoplessi]

They had vehicles in 2 and 3, both single and multiplayer, and they were fun. I don't know why they couldn't do the same in a modern setting.

I don't remember any vehicles in MP, maybe there where some tanks map, but I haven't played them :)

[Scream]

CoD2 had no drivable vehicles in SP.

Hmmm, perhaps you're correct. I thought there were, but maybe I'm getting it confused with 3. Been a long time since I played CoD2.

I don't remember any vehicles in MP, maybe there where some tanks map, but I haven't played them :)

It may have not been in 2 (I'll defer to Klaus' memory on that :)). They definitely had all kinds of them in 3. My favourite was the motorcycle with sidecar in capture the flag where one guy could drive and the other could grab the flag and hop in the sidecar and they'd both beat it back to their base. Would quite often come up against the enemy team in a tank unfortunately. :mryuck:

[Ironside]

One great thing about this series is the ping I get out here. Most games I ping out and get kicked cause Iam so far away but not in COD.

[peoplessi]

Scream, that might be since I haven't played 3, only 1 and 2, oh and four.

[Scream]

I know a lot of people dissed 3 as they feel that nobody but Infinity Ward can make a good CoD game, but I really enjoyed it. The single player was solid and fun, and the multiplayer was my favourite of any CoD.

[Klaus Kinski]

*sigh*
I'm an idiot! CoD2 had of course a drivable vehicles! The tank mission in Africa! How could I forget about that?!
:doh:

[Damien_Azreal]

*sigh*
I'm an idiot! CoD2 had of course a drivable vehicles! The tank mission in Africa! How could I forget about that?!
:doh:

I was just getting ready to post that, and then I scrolled down and saw your post. :)

[Steve]

I found this pretty funny: :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S12z6hxa5cw&eurl

[Kalki]

I found this pretty funny: :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S12z6hxa5cw&eurl

Yes it was :D

[Mr Bear]

first teaser released. not much, but.....

HD:
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/47178.html

SD:
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/47179.html

[Ironside]

That teaser suxed balls. And I'm a fan!

[peoplessi]

I think it was pretty neat, as a teaser. But then again, it didn't reveal anything. Since my expectations for CoD6 are "more of the same" that teaser didn't do much. Well made, but people expect nothing less from company size of Infinity Ward.

[ZuljinRaynor]

So it's called Modern Warefare 2. **** you IW. Don't do stupid shit like this. We don't need anymore ****** up series names. First Blood, Rambo: First Blood Part Two, Rambo 3, Rambo... things like this are comepletely stupid. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 works much better than this crap they are pulling. /rant

[JackpotDen]

Oh god.

QFT.

COD is starting to be the Friday 13th of games.

"COD IN SPACE!"

[Mr.Fibbles]

first teaser released. not much, but.....

HD:
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/47178.html

SD:
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/47179.html

so...I should have watched that with a computer with speakers right? I'll have to do that when I get back to my house.

Anyway, as long as they don't have the same type of buzz kill ending as the first one everyone dies; you get nuked before that though, which was cool but still sucked
and I would like a longer lasting more dedicated SP campaign...I know people are all about Co-op and what not these days, but some people don't like little kids screaming about their mother.

[ZuljinRaynor]

German SS soldier or an officer maybe

SS means murdering civilians, committing atrocities oh and BELIEVING IN HITLER'S IDEALS. Give me a regular German soldier, not some ****head from the SS.

[Mr.Fibbles]

Give me a regular German soldier, not some ****head from the SS.

/ZuljinRaynor is taken in custody.
He will not be back, so don't wait up.

SS were elite soldiers, maybe no necessarily in total agreement...but yeah. I'm not sure what the discussion was about (nor do I care) but I am pretty sure no game that lets you be a SS would be published anywhere, certainly not in Germany.

[Ironside]

Just as long as I can be a Mexican drug lord armed with a Barret light 50cal sniper rifle. :D

[Damien_Azreal]

I'm not a fan of them dropping the "Call of Duty" title either.

If this is just Modern Warfare 2, is this game really Call of Duty 6, or is Treyarch going to take over the CoD series now? What the hell?

Teaser was interesting, but it didn't show shit. So it's hard to get interested in it.

[Mr.Fibbles]

I am actually intrigued by the trailer... from what I gathered based on the visuals and the sounds:
Sounds like a hold up/hostage situation going on on the 2nd floor of a high rise. (ala Die Hard)

Of course this would make sense when you consider the epilogue of Modern Warfare (1) where you were part of a team going to rescue a hostage on a plane in flight. That said, I am feeling this will lead into a story not too dissimilar from the last one but hopefully longer (of course).

[Ironside]

This really should be a solid game. I dont see how they could fu*k it up if they stick to their guns.

[hellchicken]

I'm not a fan of them dropping the "Call of Duty" title either.

If this is just Modern Warfare 2, is this game really Call of Duty 6, or is Treyarch going to take over the CoD series now? What the hell?

Teaser was interesting, but it didn't show shit. So it's hard to get interested in it.

I get the impression that they are trying to spin-off Modern Warfare as its own series, and really, I always thought that the (sub-)title "Modern Warfare" was kind of stupid. What's that all about anyway? Will we get a Cod: Ancient Warfare or Future Warfare next? :p


And the teaser did nothing for me, but I am still anticipating a sequel to CoD 4.

[Steve]

Horrible teaser I must say. However, IW are great devs so we'll see :)

[SpinX]

Its a horrible teaser... the effect is maybe cool and well made... but any film director or editor has to ask himself the question... What does this effect mean and is it in realtion with the game...

In this case they never thought about it, it was probably the editor that went to the boss of infinity ward :"Hey, I know a cool effect in after effects!''

[hellchicken]

I want to know if Price is still alive. They dont make it clear at the end of cod4. :mad:

Isn't Price the S.A.S.-guy with the mustache?

If so, he's in every IW produced CoD game.

[Mr.Fibbles]

I want to know if Price is still alive. They dont make it clear at the end of cod4. :mad:

I don't know but I know they have him getting CPR....
also, the epilogue has his voice, right?

[ZuljinRaynor]

He died in Call of Duty 1 and came back in Call of Duty 2 because I believe the Call of Duty 2 campaign was before the Call of Duty 1 campaign.

Don't know why the brought that ******* back. Foley and Moody from the American campaign were much better characters, the only ones remotely who had anything great to say in both CoD and UO.

[Damien_Azreal]

Yep.
The events in CoD2 take place before CoD did.

I really liked Price in CoD4, in the previous games I didn't give a shit about him. But in CoD4 he's a much more interesting character... maybe it's that you play a level or two as him... but I don't know.
I hope he lives on for MW2.

Hmm, you mean the level in the jet? I thought it was Gaz' voice.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Gaz died in the end. Might be a spoiler, but considering the game came out in 2007...he gets shot in the head during the final scene.

[Sayantan]

I liked the teaser too. Slightly fresh than the rest of those. :o

[peoplessi]

I hope the game features endlessly spawning enemies, that's a must have feature in every modern shooter :)

[predefined]

Haha what a great teaser! Love it! And all it does is teasing...obviously :)

[Mr.Fibbles]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Gaz died in the end. Might be a spoiler, but considering the game came out in 2007...he gets shot in the head during the final scene.

I'm pretty sure everyone dies but you...it is a major buzz kill.

[bobthefish]

holy crap! STOP MAKING COD GAMES
JEEZ
they cant justify making a new one each year like EA with sports games...

[Echo Black]

I didnt know cod2 took place before cod1. Where did you get that from? From the dates of the journal entries at each loading screens?


...Er, one can infer that by possessing a basic knowledge of world history. COD2's British and North American campaigns both reach their climax during the Allied invasion of Normandy (Which started on June 1944). These are the Caen and Pointe Du Hoc missions, respectively. The Russian campaign ends before these, and the final mission of the game (the Rhine River crossing) takes place a few months after these, in 1945. Most of COD1's events take place either at a later timeframe or roughly at the sime time as COD2's last mission (give or take a few months). Notice how COD1's major missions are the Battle of Berlin (which was the last battle on the european theatre of WW2), Battle of Warsaw, etc. There are some missions that take place earlier, most of them around 1943 if I recall correctly, but the crux of the game's events occur later than COD2, historically.


EDIT: All of COD1's epilogue missions take place after COD2, too.

[ZuljinRaynor]

Tommy, you wouldn't remember Moody or Foley since you don't like America. :p

[Steve]

Hmm, when did i say that? I may not like certain aspects of it, true.

You don't like apple pie? APPLE. PIE? :mad:

Communist.

[Daveman]

You wouldn't like the internet since you don't know jokes. :p

[Steve]

You wouldn't like the internet since you don't know jokes. :p

Hey, Steve's funny. Steve's funny :mad:

Now about that new COD. Yeah, it's going to be cool :cool:

[Daveman]

No, I meant tommy vercetti. Zulie was joking and he didn't seem to notice it.

[Steve]

No, I meant tommy vercetti. Zulie was joking and he didn't seem to notice it.

Quote people damn it.

:ted:

[Gryph]

Multiplayer video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBJcOy6iuUc

[Cleric]

That is such a badass idea. I can't wait to see what other killstreak perks there are.

[Micki!]

Seems pretty damn sweet :D

[SpinX]

I hope this game has a decent story for a change that justifies all the scripted explosions etc... I only loved COD and COD2 thusfar... they had no story, I know, but they were decent and the formula wasn't milked...

[joey007]

Yeah, at first I was a little disappointed that COD: MW2 wasn't coming to the wii. But then I realized it'd be a whole lot better for the PC than wii, especially the DS

[ZuljinRaynor]

$60 on PC!! **** YEAH Activision! Wooo! :woot:

[joey007]

Rox your Sox off.:rolleyes:

[ZuljinRaynor]

Hell yeah!! Activision is SOOOOOOOOOOO COOOOOOOOOOL! They know this game is gonna sell so they're gonna add $10 onto the price on the PC and not give us the collector's edition. Cool!

[Sang]

They have a vision and they act upon it :)

[Cleric]

"To all of the PC gamers out there, thank you for helping us make Call of Duty into the powerhouse series it is today when we began it years ago to your delight. To show how much you all really mean to us, we're going to let you buy the PC version of Modern Warfare 2 for ten dollars more than any other newly released PC game! Thank you for your support - now go shoot some computer generated Russians in your dark, poor man's basement while we go swimming in our pools that YOU paid for!"

[Damien_Azreal]

"To all of the PC gamers out there, thank you for helping us make Call of Duty into the powerhouse series it is today when we began it years ago to your delight. To show how much you all really mean to us, we're going to let you buy the PC version of Modern Warfare 2 for ten dollars more than any other newly released PC game! Thank you for your support - now go shoot some computer generated Russians in your dark, poor man's basement while we go swimming in our pools that YOU paid for!"

Plus, we're making it even better. No collector's or limited edition of any kind. We love you PC gamers, and want you to enjoy the over priced, regular version of the game you just bought!


F**k em. I'm not getting MW2. Activision can shove it, I can really see why id Software wanted away from them.

[Gryph]

I remember when Doom 3 was sold for $55 at launch. :p

[superevilcube]

I was planning on buying it on the PS3 which is $59.99 anyway, but I hope this trend for PC games doesn't catch on. I was actually really surprised when I saw the $60 price tag on the PC version since practically every new PC game retails for $50.

[Telee]

I'll just grab a used copy off ebay/amazon after it's been out for a while.

I can't see the price tag dropping for years, unfortunately.

[Damien_Azreal]

I remember when Doom 3 was sold for $55 at launch. :p

I got Doom 3 at launch for 50. Don't know what places were selling it for 55, but it wasn't every store.

[ZuljinRaynor]

I recall some stores doing the same thing with Half-Life 2. It wasn't many though,

[Hudson]

I was planning on buying it on the PS3 which is $59.99 anyway

Yeah, same here. I am surprised though about the $60 price tag for the PC version. It's only http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/4206/emot10bux.gif difference though.

[ZuljinRaynor]

If this is the only $60 PC game you see amount a sea of $50 ones, then yeah, it's a big difference. They didn't do this cause the game cost them more to make... they did it cause they know they can rake in a lot more money.

[Damien_Azreal]

Yeah it is only 10 bucks... not much money, no. But... why do it for one game only? Wolfenstein is coming out in two weeks, why not 60 there as well?

Raising the price for one game, just because of it's popularity... kind of a dick move IMO. And then, making the collector's editions (both version) console only, not giving those choices to PC gamers... again, dick move.

It's not just the price thing that's upset me, it's everything about how Activision is handling this. Yes, big money in gaming now is in consoles... but hell, don't cut PC gamers back on options because a game will sell more units on consoles.
Plenty of PC gamers will buy the special editions as well. I was ready to buy the Hardened edition.

[Acid]

Sounds like they want more people to get the console version of it.. **** em. ive played all the cod games on pc and thats where they will stay.

[Telee]

Only CoD game I played on console was CoD2, and I may get that again on PC.

Excluding the console-exclusive ones.

[Damien_Azreal]

Only CoD game I played on console was CoD2, and I may get that again on PC.

Excluding the console-exclusive ones.

I've played all of the them except the PS2/XBox ones and World at War. I can't bring myself to get WaW considering how much I did not like CoD3.

[Telee]

I'm sure if I played CoD3 before CoD2 I would have really liked it. Unfortunately, it was just more of the same.

I didn't get very far before I stopped playing.

[Damien_Azreal]

Same here.
It's not... bad, but it's not great. It feels like unused bits from CoD2.

[Acid]

Give Cod WaW ago, its not that bad. I rather enjoyed it.. and you get to unlock a zombie killing level at the end of it. :)

[Monkey Butler]

$60 on PC!! **** YEAH Activision! Wooo! :woot:

Yeah it must suck being able to buy games so cheap.
Try paying at least US$85 for any game in Australia.

[Paroxysm]

If you're paying $100 AUD for games you need to shop at different stores. Only shitty EBGames and similar charge that much generally.

[Monkey Butler]

Same deal with the US though - if you're paying full retail (like people are whinging about here) you're a sucker.

[ZuljinRaynor]

I pay full retail for many of my games.

[hanged_man]

60$ !!! they're giving more and more reasons for PC gamers to pirate games and it's definitely a dick move

[SpinX]

well, if a new lord of the rings film comes out, or a harry potter film, the filmstudios should ask double the ticket price, activision should tell them before its too late...


**** activision!

[Kalki]

I haven't played Modern Warfare yet because of the local release price(bought GTA4 and Crysis instead). Although I now see it's cheaper on ebay now. I enjoyed the demo so I'll check it out after I'm done playing through the other games I have.

MW2 might turn out to be a similar story but I can wait.

[Echo Black]

Before anyone points out, I'm very much aware there's a MW2 thread (http://forums.3drealms.com/vb/showthread.php?t=33839) already active. However, posting this there would be borderline trolling (according to IW's forum rules, it is!), seeing how everyone is excited about the game over there. So I'm trying not to party poop. Not to mention this seemed...Scandalous enough to warrant its own thread. Damien, if I messed up, join the threads or something. :dopefish:

Anyways, this is the ******* funniest shit ever. Nothing else needs to be said.

http://www.infinityward.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=13

There's a bunch of threads on the matter over there.

Confirmed on a podcast by 402, a member of the IW staff apparently.

Welcome the new age of gaming.

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/1263/douchebagzy.jpg

[someguy2435]

So it uses a lobby system like on consoles? Oh boy, that stuff always sucks.

[Phayzon]

*Sigh* I'm thinking of just getting the console version now since I know plenty of people with an Xbox360 that don't have capable PCs...

[Hudson]

No dedicated servers.. for a PC game? What the hell are they thinking?

[Danule]

hahahahahhahahahhhah AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHHAAHhAhHAHA

[Damien_Azreal]

No dedicated servers.. for a PC game? What the hell are they thinking?

Monolith ran into this with FEAR 2. But that was a decision made by the deal between Warner Bros and GameSpy.

Lith tried for a few months to get approval for dedicated servers, but just couldn't swing it.

But, for this game, it seems like such a huge mistake... specially since CoD4's MP was so huge.

[Feared]

But, for this game, it seems like such a huge mistake... specially since CoD4's MP was so huge.

Correct, was.

:mad:

[Damien_Azreal]

Was? It's still going pretty damn strong.

[hanged_man]

oh god, who make those stupid decisions !!! it's definitely not a technical limitation then why they do it !!

[Feared]

Was? It's still going pretty damn strong.

Not ModernWarefare 2, CoD4 will survive for sure though.

MW2 on PC most likely will be tossed aside like COD3 or COD5.

[Boo Boo Juice]

Not ModernWarefare 2, CoD4 will survive for sure though.

MW2 on PC most likely will be tossed aside like COD3 or COD5.

I seriously doubt it will get tossed aside. Call of Duty is similar to Halo. Just, ya know, COD's are actually good games.

Anyway, people still play Call of Duty 4. A lot. And they know that game by the name Modern Warfare. Modern Warfare 2 will NOT get tossed aside. If that happens then I will eat my own underwear.

[ZuljinRaynor]

It will be tossed aside on PC.

[Feared]

I seriously doubt it will get tossed aside. Call of Duty is similar to Halo. Just, ya know, COD's are actually good games.

Anyway, people still play Call of Duty 4. A lot. And they know that game by the name Modern Warfare. Modern Warfare 2 will NOT get tossed aside. If that happens then I will eat my own underwear.

I know people still play CoD4.
I played it for 4 hour's today and there are 14 thousand server's which are all DEDICATED!

I'm not saying MW2 will get tossed aside by the name but by the fact there are no Dedicated Server's which is what this thread is about.

That's 14 Thousand less server's on MW2 not to mention you will be forced to play official un-modified game-types.
People don't seem to understand how many COD4 server's are modified and how much they are moderated.
I'm not even going to mention how many hacker's this will bring in when server's won't be moderated.

[Phayzon]

I'm about ready to toss the PC version as an option. Better graphics and superior controls would be awesome to have, but if its going to suck I'll just grab a console version and play with my real life friends.

[Feared]

I'm about ready to toss the PC version as an option. Better graphics and superior controls would be awesome to have, but if its going to suck I'll just grab a console version and play with my real life friends.

Better Graphics? Superior Controls?
Since when, I don't think they mentioned any major change's to the engine at all.

If I'm wrong please show me as I don't see anything on a heavily modified engine or even slightly modified.

[Phayzon]

Better Graphics? Superior Controls?

1920x1080 (and the possibly ability to turn Bloom off) > 720p. KB + Mouse > Gamepad.

[Feared]

1920x1080 > 720p. KB + Mouse > Gamepad.

Ah, I mis-understood you. :)

[Phayzon]

It's all good ;)

[MegaMustaine]

Does it take a lot to program the game for dedicated servers? I guess I don't get why PC games are leaving this feature out. It is becoming increasingly common.

[Steve]

Does it take a lot to program the game for dedicated servers? I guess I don't get why PC games are leaving this feature out. It is becoming increasingly common.

Because PC gamers ARE PIRATES! Why should these companies pay for servers when all PC gamers pirate their games? For pirating games, NO SERVERS FOR YOU!

I don't see it that way. I'm sure the head guys at Activision do indeed see it that way.

[Boo Boo Juice]

I was going to get this on PC rather than Xbox because the xbox version is 60 bucks. Now I just found out that the PC version will be 60 as well. Looks like I might not be able to get this as quickly as I had thought.

I'll also probably just pick up the xbox version if the PC version is 60. Most of my friends will be playing on xbox anyway. I just don't play FPS's online all that much.

[Jokke_r]

wait what? I don't understand what they're saying here? What do they mean with dedicated servers? Infinity Ward official servers or what? Or that it's not server based at all, how the hell is that supposed to work? I don't get it. Or are they saying there won't be an ability for users to set up dedicated servers? Why not? Makes absolutely no sense at all.

[Paroxysm]

Eh I was going to play it anyway. **** you Bobby.

[Feared]

wait what? I don't understand what they're saying here? What do they mean with dedicated servers? Infinity Ward official servers or what? Or that it's not server based at all, how the hell is that supposed to work? I don't get it. Or are they saying there won't be an ability for users to set up dedicated servers? Why not? Makes absolutely no sense at all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_server
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peer-to-peer_wiki

The server's will be shit, it would take hour's to find a server that doesn't Lag or Shit on you.
No more 32 Slot server's, etc.

( Edited due to improper information )

[ZuljinRaynor]

wait what? I don't understand what they're saying here? What do they mean with dedicated servers? Infinity Ward official servers or what? Or that it's not server based at all, how the hell is that supposed to work? I don't get it. Or are they saying there won't be an ability for users to set up dedicated servers? Why not? Makes absolutely no sense at all.

MP is gonna be all listen servers over P2P.

[Feared]

MP is gonna be all listen servers over P2P.

Are you sure?
From what I heard on the IW forums was that they will all be hosted by IW.
They would be Dedicated server's but they will not release any type of Public dedicated server.

Maybe I'm wrong, though.

[Echo Black]

Are you sure?
From what I heard on the IW forums was that they will all be hosted by IW.
They would be Dedicated server's but they will not release any type of Public dedicated server.

Maybe I'm wrong, though.

Jesus, you manage to not understand the simplest crap :confused:. What he means is that players themselves will not be able to set up dedicated servers, only listen servers. If you don't know what that means and why it sucks, use google or something.

[ZuljinRaynor]

All IW is hosting is the lobby/matchmaking system through IW.net.

Once in game, it's Listen Servers and P2P.

[Feared]

Jesus, you manage to not understand the simplest crap :confused:. What he means is that players themselves will not be able to set up dedicated servers, only listen servers. If you don't know what that means and why it sucks, use google or something.

Alright, since you got your panties in a knot.
I already knew that, thank you very much.

I was not sure if IW was hosting server's as well.
You know for a choice, I wasn't asking anything about the topic.

If you were trying to make me look like a idiot then you failed.
I do fine just by myself.

Also, @Zuljin
Thank's for clearing that up, I was not sure.

Edit:
Who's filtering me text!
RAWR! The government invaded mah forums?

[Jokke_r]

What the hell is a listen server? This all sounds very weird to me and i'm no novice to online gaming, been doing it for 10 years. But i haven't bumped into anything like this before.

All online games i've played have either been set up on a dedicated server or usually when playing on a lan we have one guy hosting a game on his computer. I've never bumped into other implementations of online gaming. Why would one use a P2P method where every single player would need to upload data to every other player in the match vs simply uploading to the server which then distributes the data to all the players, and how can it be p2p it still needs to be centralized somehow, how else do you find games.

This is bonkers.

[ZuljinRaynor]

A listen server is when you host a server and play on it at the same time.

Here is some more info. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_server)

[Feared]

What the hell is a listen server? This all sounds very weird to me and i'm no novice to online gaming, been doing it for 10 years. But i haven't bumped into anything like this before.

All online games i've played have either been set up on a dedicated server or usually when playing on a lan we have one guy hosting a game on his computer. I've never bumped into other implementations of online gaming. Why would one use a P2P method where every single player would need to upload data to every other player in the match vs simply uploading to the server which then distributes the data to all the players, and how can it be p2p it still needs to be centralized somehow, how else do you find games.

This is bonkers.

Yeah, it's centralized around the main host which is the player with the best connection.

Listened server's are server's being run by the match creator ( the host/player ).
Dedicated server's are server's being ran at a serverbox/database which was made for running server's.

Basically there will be no good server's, every server will have high ping and will probably only have up to 12-16 slots max.

[Echo Black]

If you were trying to make me look like a idiot then you failed.
I do fine just by myself.


I would not have to try, considering you took Phayzon's "superior graphics and controls" comment as indication of PC-exclusive engine changes on a game which, as anyone can tell by reading the OP, is being consolized...:doh:

But let us stay on topic.

[Jokke_r]

Yeah, it's centralized around the main host which is the player with the best connection.

Listened server's are server's being run by the match creator ( the host/player ).
Dedicated server's are server's being ran at a serverbox/database which was made for running server's.

Basically there will be no good server's, every server will have high ping and will probably only have up to 12-16 slots max.

A dedicated server does not need to be run on an actual server machine. Most games have dedicated server software which you can run on any PC really. Only thing which makes a dedicated server dedicated is the fact that you're not playing on it at the same time. I don't see this as a problem if they don't release dedicated server software later there will most likely be a third party hack for it.

[Hudson]

I expect a 3rd party hack in less than an hour after it's release.

It's going to break the "Doom 3 Duct-Tape" record.

[Sang]

lol @ activi$ion

[ZuljinRaynor]

A dedicated server does not need to be run on an actual server machine. Most games have dedicated server software which you can run on any PC really. Only thing which makes a dedicated server dedicated is the fact that you're not playing on it at the same time. I don't see this as a problem if they don't release dedicated server software later there will most likely be a third party hack for it.

They aren't going to be releasing it. Cause otherwise the netcode won't be P2P based.

[Jokke_r]

They aren't going to be releasing it. Cause otherwise the netcode won't be P2P based.

I don't see why you couldn't run a dedicated host even if the netcode is P2P (idiotic) There are more benefits of having a dedicated host than just low ping such as stability and uptime. Seriously the guy at IW that came up with this idea should be lobotomized, it's the dumbest thing i've heard yet.

[Feared]

A dedicated server does not need to be run on an actual server machine. Most games have dedicated server software which you can run on any PC really. Only thing which makes a dedicated server dedicated is the fact that you're not playing on it at the same time. I don't see this as a problem if they don't release dedicated server software later there will most likely be a third party hack for it.

Yes but the dedicated server software is meant for real server host.
Not a bunch of kid's who want a server to be cool and a few hours they realize they can't host due to shit internet and or lack of port forwarding.

There is no reason for anyone to host a dedicated server on there machine.

[Jokke_r]

We often run Dedicated servers on our LAN tournaments

[Feared]

We often run Dedicated servers on our LAN tournaments

Yeah that's cool, I did forget to mention LAN.
I was thinking it, I just didn't bother writing it down. ;)

[Duke's New Chainsaw]

This sure is changing the future of online gaming!

:woot:

[Feared]

This sure is changing the future of online gaming!

:woot:

:dalek:

[Danule]

the single player campaign might still make this game worth buying.

[Feared]

the single player campaign might still make this game worth buying.

You mean download errr... legally.

:widjoe:

[ZuljinRaynor]

the single player campaign might still make this game worth buying.

For $60? Yeah right. Since it will be just as long as COD4's SP which was a short 4 hours.

[Danule]

ah well.... i guess ill download it. serves them right. UBUAAHHHA LEGALLY of course... ;);):0:0:);0;);));););0:

[Sang]

There is no reason for anyone to host a dedicated server on there machine.

lol, wut

You are confusing "dedicated servers aren't useful" with "a ton of people don't know what the hell they are doing".

[Feared]

lol, wut

You are confusing "dedicated servers aren't useful" with "a ton of people don't know what the hell they are doing".

Oh sorry, thanks for correcting me.

[Sang]

No proble-- wow wait did sarcasm almost go undetected? :p

[Feared]

No proble-- wow wait did sarcasm almost go undetected? :p

I was being serious. ;)

[ReadOnly]

For $60? Yeah right. Since it will be just as long as COD4's SP which was a short 4 hours.

MW1 was worth it. And I have never played it online.

[Damien_Azreal]

CoD4 felt like a ripoof IMO. The single player is top quality yes, gripping and tense... but insultingly short and incredibly scripted (which makes replays far less entertaining).

For 50 bucks, CoD4 was definitely pushing the line. And 60 for MW2... that's past the line. :)

[Feared]

CoD4 felt like a ripoof IMO. The single player is top quality yes, gripping and tense... but insultingly short and incredibly scripted (which makes replays far less entertaining).

For 50 bucks, CoD4 was definitely pushing the line. And 60 for MW2... that's past the line. :)

Not if you are ReadOnly. ;)

I agree though.
I only ever buy Call of Duty for the multiplayer. ( I say that but I own CoD4 PC and 360 which is funny because I don't have Xbox live )

[sawn_off]

The multiplayer came out all right but the PC version was screwed then too. Punkbuster was a mess, and tons of people wanted to disable airstrikes and helicopters but couldn't.

50 player, hardcore team deathmatch was a great time (except for said airstrike spam) and now they're killing it.

Funny to think people were playing games of Tribes with 128 people more than a decade ago...

[ReadOnly]

CoD4 felt like a ripoof IMO.
Maybe you had an opportunity to rent it. I hadn't.

[Feared]

The multiplayer came out all right but the PC version was screwed then too. Punkbuster was a mess, and tons of people wanted to disable airstrikes and helicopters but couldn't.

50 player, hardcore team deathmatch was a great time (except for said airstrike spam) and now they're killing it.

Funny to think people were playing games of Tribes with 128 people more than a decade ago...

See some people enjoy that many people in one game.
I don't, I love 16-24 slot's, it's perfect for me.

It's intense but not so intense to the point of where it's just a mass killing fest.

That's no fun in my opinion, I like strategy, rather than running and gunning every corner.

P.S I like the Airstrike/helicopter's so I don't see how PC got screwed, CoD4 was very much PC friendly.

[Danule]

CoD4 felt like a ripoof IMO. The single player is top quality yes, gripping and tense... but insultingly short and incredibly scripted (which makes replays far less entertaining).

For 50 bucks, CoD4 was definitely pushing the line. And 60 for MW2... that's past the line. :)

it took me so long to get through the single player campain cause i played in it on hard... that sniper part was insane.

[ZuljinRaynor]

MW1 was worth it. And I have never played it online.
I disagree. And I haven't played it online either. I've only played World at War online. And I also payed only $30 for WaW. That was worth it. $50 for MW1 would be stretching it. $60 for this trainwreck? Forget it.

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See some people enjoy that many people in one game.
I don't, I love 16-24 slot's, it's perfect for me.

It's intense but not so intense to the point of where it's just a mass killing fest.

That's no fun in my opinion, I like strategy, rather than running and gunning every corner.

P.S I like the Airstrike/helicopter's so I don't see how PC got screwed, CoD4 was very much PC friendly.

Call of Duty is an arcade shooter, not a tactical shooter.

I only ever played World at War in Hardcore mode. I hate waiting around. I enjoy quick kills and quick deaths.

[ReadOnly]

I disagree. And I haven't played it online either.

Wait, what? For me the game was worth $60. You can't disagree with that.

[Feared]

I disagree. And I haven't played it online either. I've only played World at War online. And I also payed only $30 for WaW. That was worth it. $50 for MW1 would be stretching it. $60 for this trainwreck? Forget it.

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Call of Duty is an arcade shooter, not a tactical shooter.

I only ever played World at War in Hardcore mode. I hate waiting around. I enjoy quick kills and quick deaths.

Since when was it a arcade shooter?
I always thought Call of Duty was a tactical third person shooter.
It's always been listed under tactical...

I payed 40$ for MW1 and 20$ for MW1 on PC.
I don't bother playing the 360 version at all...

Obviously the style of game-play is personal preference.
You guy's can have all the 32-64 slot server's you want, I'll stick with my 16-24 slot.

Gotta love those crouch only server's. :)

By the way guy's, stop complaining about the price, buy it used for xbox and if you are on PC wait for a steam sale.

[ReadOnly]

Since when was it a arcade shooter?
I always thought Call of Duty was a tactical third person shooter.
It's always been listed under tactical...


Your trolling is too obvious.

[slapnutz]

So is this right so far?

Dedicated servers gone.
Price bumped up to same as consoles, $60.
What about mod tools and sdk?


Personally the SP was ok, nothing great. However we pretty much thrashed it at our local LANs which made it worth the price.

Since when was it a arcade shooter?
I always thought Call of Duty was a tactical third person shooter.
It's always been listed under tactical...

Go play Rainbow Six: Ghost Recon on PC.

[ZuljinRaynor]

Since when was it a arcade shooter?
I always thought Call of Duty was a tactical third person shooter.
It's always been listed under tactical...

LOL. Tactical Third Person? Good job. :D

[Paroxysm]

Your trolling is too obvious.

The sad thing is if you check his posting history it doesn't seem like he is trolling. He genuinely seems to think these things.

[SpinX]

they just don't want to sell to PC gamers anymore...

[Orochi Avlis]

Wasn't going to buy it before this bomb was dropped, definitely not going to now.

Good job Activision. Bumped up the price, and taking away one of the features that was a staple in PC gaming.

No mods, no dedicated servers, how could think they this was a good idea? "People will still buy it because it's Call of Duty!" "More monies for us! Because we don't support mods, people will have to buy our maps!"

[Karthik]

Curious but is the PC version being outsourced to Beenox?

[Kit]

For $60? Yeah right. Since it will be just as long as COD4's SP which was a short 4 hours.

The cheek. I just checked and the PC version is £35-£40 here. :confused:

I've never played CoD online so I'm not concerned about the dedicated server fiasco, but sticking a £40 price tag on a game with 4 to 5 hours of gameplay is absurd - Resi 5 is only £18 and L4D II is going to be £25.

[Damien_Azreal]

Maybe you had an opportunity to rent it. I hadn't.

PC gamer. ;) Can't rent PC games, I bought CoD4 for PC for 50 bucks... and when I finished the single player the next day... yes, I felt ripped off.

Wait, what? For me the game was worth $60. You can't disagree with that.

Yes, I (we) can disagree with that. We can disagree with your opinion. We're not saying your opinion is wrong, just that we don't agree and think differently.

And given that IW has said MW2's single player will be the same length "Possibly shorter for skilled players"... 60 bucks is way to much. They seem to have forgotten that a LOT of gamers buy and play games for the single player, not the MP.

[SpinX]

doom 3 and half life 2 were the last games with a single player gamelength that were long enough...

Modern warfare 2 is the transformers 2 of the gaming industry... there is so much wrong or unoriginal, but it is a huge crowdpleaser for the average gamer...

[Feared]

http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?dedis4mw

kkthxbai

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LOL. Tactical Third Person? Good job. :D

I could have sworn I said First person.

I may have said third person by accident, I was just playing Splinter Cell so...

[Damien_Azreal]

An online petition... yeah, that will make Activision change their mind and fix everything. :rolleyes: :p

[Jiminator]

sometimes failure is a good thing. but I suspect there are too many fanbois for it to fail

[Feared]

An online petition... yeah, that will make Activision change their mind and fix everything. :rolleyes: :p

I know, they're shaking in there boot's right now. ;)

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sometimes failure is a good thing. but I suspect there are too many fanbois for it to fail

Yeah as long as the failure doesn't include taking away proper server's.

[Damien_Azreal]

sometimes failure is a good thing. but I suspect there are too many fanbois for it to fail

It would be nice to see the game fall flat on it's face, but there's little to no chance of that happening.

[Sang]

Yes, I (we) can disagree with that. We can disagree with your opinion. We're not saying your opinion is wrong, just that we don't agree and think differently.

You'd think by now people would understand the whole thing about opinions and what can and can not be disagreed with. :p

[Phayzon]

Dedicated servers gone.
Price bumped up to same as consoles, $60.
What about mod tools and sdk?

Oh yeah, you cant have those either...

[Jiminator]

It would be nice to see the game fall flat on it's face, but there's little to no chance of that happening.
Really? UT3 comes to mind as a good example of that. It came out as a sucky limited product. It was reworked, tied to steam, and rereleased with a bunch of maps. I think its still a failure, but maybe if I actually downloaded my steam copy I would find that is not the case.

for software developers/publishers, the entire system has become monetized. They have become like cell phone companies, figuring out if they do x it will result in y additional profit because z happens.

if you want to make a difference then speak with your money, spend it elsewhere with companies that do not engage in those practices.

[Steve]

You'd think by now people would understand the whole thing about opinions and what can and can not be disagreed with. :p

I disagree.

[Hudson]

Activision doesn't give a damn about people bitching about dedicated servers. They're going to sell their product any way they want to bring in the most money. This way map packs will have to be purchased for PC users, and all versions are getting "equal treatment across the board".

Good job on pissing off just about every dedicated PC fan you had.

[ReadOnly]

PC gamer. ;) Can't rent PC games, I bought CoD4 for PC for 50 bucks... and when I finished the single player the next day... yes, I felt ripped off.

Rents are only available for console games? Makes sense.
I played it on 360, btw.


Yes, I (we) can disagree with that. We can disagree with your opinion. We're not saying your opinion is wrong, just that we don't agree and think differently.

Nope. I said it was worth 60$ for me. You can't say it wasn't. Basically, I was stating a fact, not an opinion.

[sawn_off]

Also note: DICE sez: lol (http://kotaku.com/5384290/dice-makes-hay-with-dedicated-server-controversy), noobs.

[ZuljinRaynor]

Nope. I said it was worth 60$ for me. You can't say it wasn't. Basically, I was stating a fact, not an opinion.

Wrong. Why? Because I can think that is wasn't worth the $60 for you. I can think that you are missing some knowledge and thus your opinion is lacking info. This is of course hypothetical cause if you think it was worth it for you fine, it's your $60, not mine. I shouldn't care how other people spend their money. It's their money, their choice, their purchase.

[SpinX]

Also note: DICE sez: lol (http://kotaku.com/5384290/dice-makes-hay-with-dedicated-server-controversy), noobs.

nice quote :) hope it reaches infinity ward... Where's Wieder to "defend their decision"?

Almost 100000 signs on petition... is quite impressive already...

[ReadOnly]

nice quote :) hope it reaches infinity ward... Where's Wieder to "defend their decision"?

That's the last thing he needs. And he's level designer(I think), not IW's spokesman.

[Feared]

What's sad is everyone who is against MW2 will most likely still end up buying the wretched game.

The Call of Duty franchise should just die, as well as Battlefield after there new game's.

[Sang]

CoD games are good games, they shouldn't die. The only that thing that should die (or at least be replaced) is that Bobby Kotich demon thing.