Max Payne 2 announced [Archive]

Joe Siegler

05-22-2002, 02:49 PM

The much anticipated sequel to last year's smash hit Max Payne has been announced at E3 today, and guess what? It's "Max Payne 2". images/icons/smile.gif Take 2 announced today that Rockstar Games, in conjunction with Remedy Entertainment, has begun development of Max Payne 2, a sequel to the blockbuster hit Max Payne. 3D Realms will be producing Max Payne 2, as we did with the original Max Payne.

Originally developed for the PC by Remedy Entertainment and produced by 3D Realms, Max Payne debuted as an award winning and top selling PC game in July 2001. PlayStation®2 and Xbox(TM) versions of the game were shipped in December 2001, and both achieved immediate critical and commercial success. Global shipments of the Max Payne franchise have exceeded 2.75 million units to date.

Max Payne 2 is expected to ship in calendar 2003.

That's a quote from the full press release (http://www.3drealms.com/press/max2announced.html), which can be viewed on our site. Fans of Max Payne will be glad to know that there will be some continuing adventures for Max!

The Viper

05-22-2002, 02:52 PM

except they knew that already after reading the manual and the end credits images/icons/wink.gif
the real surprise is that RMD sold all the rights to take 2, including Max FX

bubba16409

05-22-2002, 03:24 PM

WOAH ! ! ! Am I reading this right ? No, I am not talking about max payne 2, but the fact that Joe gave a release date for a game that is in development by 3drealms ?

I almost fell over when I read there was an aproximate release date for one of their games.

Anyways MP2 is going to rule. Loved the first and am going to love the second.

mysteryperfecta

05-22-2002, 03:32 PM

Remedy and Apogee collected a cool $10 million in exchange for the rights. Congrats.

My question is, what does "in conjuction with" mean, in terms of MP2 being developed by Rockstar in conjunction with Remedy? Is it a console/pc split like the original Max Payne?

Guest

05-22-2002, 03:49 PM

Can I pre-order yet?
hahahahahaha

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Joe Siegler

05-22-2002, 04:13 PM

I didn't give anything - I just copied a Take2 press release. 3DR hasn't actually announced it. images/icons/wink.gif

Triste

05-22-2002, 04:20 PM

"...perpetual license to utilize proprietary technologies, including the Max Payne game engine and associated "Bullet Time(TM)" technology..."
Excuse my poor english, but does that mean they bought the engine or that they bought rights to use it ?

chrisg

05-22-2002, 04:23 PM

i bought the first one enjoyed it and if remedy is able to improve it for the sequel, i will happily buy that one as well. To me personally Improvement means more than 10 hours of gameplay and a better AI than just wait until i see max and then run for him guns blazing. But to each his own. I don't want to start a discussion here. Other than that best of luck for your next game images/icons/smile.gif .

Guest

05-22-2002, 04:39 PM

Originally posted by Triste:
"...perpetual license to utilize proprietary technologies, including the Max Payne game engine and associated "Bullet Time(TM)" technology..."
Excuse my poor english, but does that mean they bought the engine or that they bought rights to use it ?Take two now owns the max payne name and story and has right to use it. But they don't own the Max-FX engine, they can use it all they want though.

biXen

05-22-2002, 05:31 PM

Yup, well, Mad Onion also had the rights to use the engine, so let's hope Rockstar doesn't give some idiots the right to use it for something...

Bushido

05-22-2002, 06:03 PM

Awesome! Max Payne was and still is the best action game I've ever played! Nothing puts you in a John Woo movie like Max Payne!

PinpointMarxMan

05-22-2002, 06:20 PM

Yep, just read this on Gamespots E3 coverage, I loved Max Payne and im sure Max Payne 2 is going to kick ass as well, I wonder how the game will start....

sawn_off

05-22-2002, 06:42 PM

Boy, we all sound like we just got Max Payne again. So, Remedy's working with Rockstar, eh? And Rockstar made Grand Theft Auto 3, right? I'll be the n00b here and say "can u ride in carz in mp2?".

helstegt

05-22-2002, 06:48 PM

Joe, as I read that press release, 3D Realms will have no involvement in Max Payne 2 at all. Is that correct?

Homoludens

05-22-2002, 10:46 PM

w00t, w00t, w00t!!!!

Oh, and did I mention w00t?

George Broussard

05-23-2002, 12:19 AM

>>Remedy and Apogee collected a cool $10 million in exchange for the rights. Congrats.

Heh, re-read the press release images/icons/wink.gif The stock alone is worth about $25 million now. All told, the deal should generate over $40 million when it's all said and done.

nyne

05-23-2002, 12:28 AM

40 million!! images/icons/shocked.gif

3D Realms....short on cash...?

I think not!

biXen

05-23-2002, 01:34 AM

Originally posted by George Broussard:
>>Remedy and Apogee collected a cool $10 million in exchange for the rights. Congrats.

Heh, re-read the press release images/icons/wink.gif The stock alone is worth about $25 million now. All told, the deal should generate over $40 million when it's all said and done.Jesus H Christ. There's no need to tell anyone that Take 2 thinks that Max Payne is the wave of the future... If you talk to them, tell them they can buy my fansite for some hundred thousands, on sale... images/icons/grin.gif

mysteryperfecta

05-23-2002, 09:31 AM

Joe Siegler

05-23-2002, 11:38 AM

Originally posted by helstegt:
Joe, as I read that press release, 3D Realms will have no involvement in Max Payne 2 at all. Is that correct?Wrong. We are producing Max Payne II the same way we produced Max Payne I. I covered this on the front page of the 3DR site.

Guest

05-23-2002, 03:39 PM

So both Rockstar and Remedy are developing the sequel. Now does that mean that Remedy's importance in the project has decreased?

Is Rockstar now making the biggest decisions?

fractalgp

05-23-2002, 04:07 PM

Originally posted by Joe3DR:
Originally developed for the PC by [...]Am I reading stuff into this, when I'm thinking this will be primarily a console release, then a PC release? Rockstar is primarily a console developer, no?

I'm so goddamned sick and tired of the "nextgen consoles" getting all the good games first.

[ 05-23-2002, 04:08 PM: Message edited by: fractalgp ]

Co11

05-23-2002, 04:19 PM

Rockstar did announce that they will not be having a pc release until 2004... Hopefully what will happen is that rockstar will have a hand on the console versions and remedy will do the pc ones.. images/icons/smile.gif

Joe Siegler

05-23-2002, 04:29 PM

To my knowledge, Max Payne 2 is a PC game first.

sawn_off

05-23-2002, 08:30 PM

When will there be a site? Will it have Multiplayer? Will you be able to Drive cars? Will it be like Max Payne + Driver 2 + Grand Theft Auto 3? When is it coming out? Ghaa!

Heheh, this may be what we'll be induring with n00bs. But I WOULD like a site.

RollingBrass

05-23-2002, 09:25 PM

Rockstar isn't a PC game developer. If I'm not mistaken, DMA made all the GTA games. Rockstar was either the publisher (As a sub-division of Take2) or the console-porter.
Now, where was I? Ah...a few questions:
 What's the release date? When will you release a screenshot? Will you add multiplayer to the game? How do I get out of the burning restaurant in the sequel? What about moving?! 

[ 05-23-2002, 09:28 PM: Message edited by: RollingBrass ]

SkavenRMD

05-24-2002, 12:38 AM

Am I reading stuff into this, when I'm thinking this will be primarily a console release, then a PC release? Rockstar is primarily a console developer, no?Max Payne 2 is primarily a PC game.

Rockstar Canada will take care of the PlayStation 2 port like last time, and Rockstar NY provides us with authentic source material (voice actor performances, photos). We can have a bit higher production values this time around, so players (and especially reviewers) no more have to endure a cast of characters that look like Finnish geeks and their girlfriends. images/icons/smile.gif

biXen

05-24-2002, 03:24 AM

Originally posted by SkavenRMD:
Rockstar Canada will take care of the PlayStation 2 port like last time, and Rockstar NY provides us with authentic source material (voice actor performances, photos). We can have a bit higher production values this time around, so players (and especially reviewers) no more have to endure a cast of characters that look like Finnish geeks and their girlfriends. images/icons/smile.gif So you WON'T farm the work on Max Payne 2 out to cheap Korean programmers? I sure as hell hope not, or I'm coming up there to teach you a lesson. images/icons/wink.gif

But it looks to me like Remedy now can afford to do two projects at once, so I bet you are putting the new mappers and stuff on Max Payne 2 and working on some suppa leet Doom III beater yourself. Carmack hasn't got a chance vs the gang of suppa leet Finnish demosceners images/icons/grin.gif When he's wasting time in his Ferrari you boys be working on da bomb game...

And if it includes multiplayer in any way... I'll kill ya... images/icons/grin.gif

The Viper

05-24-2002, 03:29 AM

Originally posted by biXen:
Carmack hasn't got a chance vs the gang of suppa leet Finnish demosceners images/icons/grin.gif When he's wasting time in his Ferrari you boys be working on da bomb game...Carmack is still the guru. Just look at that new DOOM 3 vid. I am absolutely certain that Max 2 cannot compete with the tech.

biXen

05-24-2002, 04:03 AM

Originally posted by The Viper:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by biXen:
Carmack hasn't got a chance vs the gang of suppa leet Finnish demosceners images/icons/grin.gif When he's wasting time in his Ferrari you boys be working on da bomb game...Carmack is still the guru. Just look at that new DOOM 3 vid. I am absolutely certain that Max 2 cannot compete with the tech.<hr /></blockquote>I didn't say Max 2 you fool, I said "the other new project"... which they sure as hell can afford to work on images/icons/smile.gif

BobTheDog

05-24-2002, 04:08 AM

Originally posted by SkavenRMD:
...no more have to endure a cast of characters that look like Finnish geeks and their girlfriends. images/icons/smile.gif Hehe. Will Payne still look a bit constipated? images/icons/tongue.gif

fractalgp

05-24-2002, 04:10 AM

Yeah, Markus Stein was making real 3D engines when Carmack was loved for his 2.5D Wolf/Doom engines.

Go Stone! Stone! Stone! images/icons/wink.gif

(meant as a reply to bixen's post)

[ 05-24-2002, 04:24 AM: Message edited by: fractalgp ]

The Viper

05-24-2002, 04:52 AM

Originally posted by biXen:
I didn't say Max 2 you fool, I said "the other new project"... which they sure as hell can afford to work on images/icons/smile.gif yeah whatever. If "the other game" comes out 2003 I'm certain it can't compete with the DOOM 3 tech.

But knowing RMD there's no way the would release 2 games in the same year images/icons/wink.gif

SkavenRMD

05-24-2002, 05:25 AM

Hehe. Will Payne still look a bit constipated? images/icons/tongue.gif Of course we have to be faithful to the true spirit of the original. We just need to find an actor who has developed the facial musculature for this demanding task. graemlins/hhg.gif

Ninja

05-24-2002, 06:18 AM

Faithful?

/me tries to imagine the legions of Max Payne fans demanding that the constipated face of Max return in the sequel or else...

Sorry Skaven, I just don't see that happening images/icons/wink.gif

Are any major tech updates (I mean like much higher polygon counts etc) planned for Max Payne 2?

Guest

05-24-2002, 06:21 AM

Originally posted by The Viper:
Carmack is still the guru. Just look at that new DOOM 3 vid. I am absolutely certain that Max 2 cannot compete with the tech.No he's not. Doom III is just another polygon pusher. The secrets in the content.

The Viper

05-24-2002, 06:27 AM

and that is not true. It's not the amount of polygons that matter in DOOM3, it's the amazing lighting system.

Guest

05-24-2002, 06:54 AM

Originally posted by The Viper:
and that is not true. It's not the amount of polygons that matter in DOOM3, it's the amazing lighting system.C'mon. You know what I mean. Further more that lighting system means squat without decent content. I'll go so far as to say Doom III is probably the least impressive piece of junk to come out of Id for some time. It's also a waste of space to launch it at something so mundane as Doom. I'm not just saying that. I'm actually pretty annoyed that so many people have rolled over so easily.

The Viper

05-24-2002, 07:42 AM

well to me it seems to be the most impressive horror FPS ever. If you aren't impressed then by all means don't be. I sure as hell am

Invertol

05-24-2002, 08:22 AM

Must everything compete with DOOM3 images/icons/confused.gif

biXen

05-24-2002, 08:30 AM

Originally posted by Max Diablos:
I'm not just saying that. I'm actually pretty annoyed that so many people have rolled over so easily.Rumours are that The Viper often rolls over this easily...

Skaven: So you won't use Sam Lake for Max Payne 2? That sucks, I hate changing actors, that's the sign of a bad movie, changing actors for the sequel, that's like swapping Arnold in T3 for Vin Diesel... ugh... the horror... the HORROR!!!

[ 05-24-2002, 08:31 AM: Message edited by: biXen ]

Cathome

05-24-2002, 09:08 AM

Originally posted by biXen:
So you won't use Sam Lake for Max Payne 2? That sucks, I hate changing actors, that's the sign of a bad movie, changing actors for the sequel, that's like swapping Arnold in T3 for Vin Diesel... ugh... the horror... the HORROR!!![/QB]In my opinion, just less and less people will buy MP2 with new actor. And will it be MAX PAYNE? MP has done plastic operation...

SkavenRMD

05-24-2002, 09:32 AM

Skaven: So you won't use Sam Lake for Max Payne 2?Actually nothing in this regard has yet been nailed down. I just couldn't resist telling a stupid joke. images/icons/grin.gif

And remember: Speculation is futile™. graemlins/wid.gif

fractalgp

05-24-2002, 11:36 AM

Futility is not an obstacle.

oh, and bix: Vin Diesel r0x0rz your s0x0rz, OK? images/icons/wink.gif

biXen

05-24-2002, 01:15 PM

Vin Diesel is an average actor which happened to be chosen to be a "star". Man that movie XXX that's coming with him looks like total trash. Bah... images/icons/tongue.gif

Well Skaven old friend, I'll pin it down for ya, Sam Lake IS Max Payne, and you tell those other bastichs that if that doesn't happen then you ain't comin to my place for them ho's anymore... doh, I've been playing GTA3 a bit too much, excuse me... I'll go back to playing...

sawn_off

05-24-2002, 02:13 PM

Oh no! No Sam Lake? Not even for the comic scenes? Baskinator will kill us!

sawn_off

05-24-2002, 02:19 PM

Max Payne 2 should use the Quake 3 engine. Or maybe DNF images/icons/grin.gif

Anyway, it should NOT use the Quake 3 Arena engine like Jedi Knight 2, as I STILL don't understand jack about QE Radiant. I don't know how people can call it "easy to mod". Maybe I just need time. And add some better Beretta sounds! I hear the sounds in Hitman were very realistic.

The Viper

05-24-2002, 02:51 PM

Originally posted by biXen:
Rumours are that The Viper often rolls over this easily...It's vipe for you. And you should know .... lova boy

Tonebender

05-24-2002, 04:21 PM

So development of MP2 starts now? I thought, since MP1 took so long to make, Remedy were already finishing the sequel before the first game came out. Then MP2 would come out in about six months after MP1, when the reviewers were moving on to other games... images/icons/smile.gif

biXen

05-24-2002, 06:09 PM

Originally posted by sawn_off:
Max Payne 2 should use the Quake 3 engine. Or maybe DNF images/icons/grin.gif

Anyway, it should NOT use the Quake 3 Arena engine like Jedi Knight 2, as I STILL don't understand jack about QE Radiant. I don't know how people can call it "easy to mod". Maybe I just need time. And add some better Beretta sounds! I hear the sounds in Hitman were very realistic.I sure hope this is a sarcastic comment. DNF uses the Unreal engine. And why would Max Payne 2 use a worse engine than MAX-FX? images/icons/tongue.gif

MaxED is also superior to QE Radiant and whatever those other thingies are, the possibilities are endless... In 200 years when I master it I'll rule images/icons/grin.gif

Hatch

05-25-2002, 11:19 AM

YeZz!! Max Payne 2!!! Bwahaaahaaahaaaa!!! Don't look I'm dancing!!! O__o I told you not to look! I can't wait..... Joe are we there yet?

sawn_off

05-25-2002, 04:33 PM

I WAS joking about using the Quake 3 Arena engine. Obiously the DNF bitz0rz was a crack. Anyways, I'd hope to see a slightly modified MaxED. And It'd be nice if they could clear some of the road for modders.

Gryph

05-28-2002, 11:22 PM

Oh shit! I'm late in posting!!!

BUT WOOHOO!!! Let the waiting begin!!
Where RollingBrass!!?? I see biXen already. How are you good chap!?

My life is now officially gone till the game is done.

RollingBrass

05-28-2002, 11:48 PM

HUZZAH! GK is back!

nyne

05-29-2002, 12:27 AM

Originally posted by RollingBrass:

What about moving?! Rumor has it that movement has been taken out of Max Payne 2 in favor of a new "Random Fart Joke" feature.

[ 05-29-2002, 12:27 AM: Message edited by: nyne ]

SkavenRMD

05-29-2002, 12:45 AM

Must everything compete with DOOM3 images/icons/confused.gif Yes. The Supah Sekrit Rewlz of the L33t include (among others) the following statements:
 Every game must compete with, and be compared to DOOM. This rewl was recently revised, the previous entrant being Quake, and the entrant before that DOOM. Every game must have multiplayer or it sux0rz. If DOOM 3 will not have multiplayer, this rewl will be revised. Every consequent game must immediately have the fancy feature that is present in some new game, such as GeoMod, or it will sux0rz, since the feature is now "standard". Except if the game is DOOM. If you need better hardware to play the game, it sux0rz - unless the game is DOOM, in which case you must immediately buy new hardware to play it or you sux0rz. If the game crashes due to overclocking, the game sux0rz. Except if the game is DOOM, in which case the stoopid ovahclockah sux0rz. The higher the texture's resolution is in the screenshots, the better the texture is. Period. Ignore all other factors. The larger the exact number of individual weapons, levels, monsters and frames of animation, the better the game. Period. Ignore all other factors.
I'm sorry. I shouldn't be posting here when I'm feeling jaded. images/icons/blush.gif
Oh yeah, the disclaimer, just in case: This post does not represent my employer's opinion. It represents my opinion.

RollingBrass

05-29-2002, 01:02 AM

images/icons/grin.gif
So very true, IMO.

Also, there'd better be a cod weapon in MP2. You don't want to make biXen cry, now do you?
Also, Charleton Heston should run into the scene randomly and scream something either about "Soylent Green being made of people" or "damn dirty apes," then just running off.
Moving is probably the lowest on the priority list, I would imagine.

Joker

05-29-2002, 01:13 AM

Originally posted by RollingBrass:
 What about moving?! Remedy never did answer that question, did they? images/icons/grin.gif

The Baskinator

05-29-2002, 01:13 AM

I wonder if Max Payne 2 will incorporate some new butt technology. I remember some of the members being displeased with Max's "coned butt". images/icons/grin.gif

SkavenRMD

05-29-2002, 01:31 AM

Remedy never did answer that question, did they? images/icons/grin.gif But we did. We promised there definitely will be moving in Max Payne, and we even delivered!

I wonder if Max Payne 2 will incorporate some new butt technology. I remember some of the members being displeased with Max's "coned butt". Max's butt... Lara's bust.. do I see a connection here?

Co11

05-29-2002, 01:34 AM

Dude, skaven's on to us.. images/icons/smile.gif I'm kidding! I still play hyperiums and it's mostly text based.. so beat that Mr. Smarty pants.. images/icons/grin.gif

I still love making max payne maps by the way... so stil with maxed, it's awesome
I'd pay another $50 for the editor,it's that great!

Joker

05-29-2002, 01:46 AM

biXen

05-29-2002, 01:50 AM

Heeeey, GK is back, nice to see you man images/icons/smile.gif

RollingBrass: We definately need a Cod weapon. Gotta slap those bitches into order. And I sure as hell hope Remedy doesn't steal my Heston and Darth Vader ideas, heheh... me and my stupid spoof ideas...

Skaven: The downside of Max Payne being so good is that you spent all your resources on mainly what you need for the game. Erm... the downside being that for the modders. There's no water/swimming, there's not a good outdoor optimization, and some other stuff. You should correct this now that you have the time, and mr leet Jaakko can make MaxED even better images/icons/smile.gif

SkavenRMD

05-29-2002, 02:09 AM

Well, I can't comment more specifically yet, but since we focus on the single player experience, we have to let the game and its story dictate what kinds of things we're going to implement.

But then, this didn't stop Kenneth Yeung from adding Kung Fu to Max Payne. images/icons/wink.gif

RollingBrass

05-29-2002, 02:18 AM

My craaaaazy friend says that you guys aren't developing the game, rather it is the folks who make Smugglers Run, and that you're relation to the game is that of "supervisor" like 3D Realms with the first. Is he crazy?

The Baskinator

05-29-2002, 02:48 AM

Joker

05-29-2002, 03:26 AM

"You see, your crazy friend never heard of the food chain..."

http://forums.3drealms.com/images/ted/TedChain.jpg

PetriRMD

05-29-2002, 03:31 AM

Originally posted by RollingBrass:
My craaaaazy friend says that you guys aren't developing the game, rather it is the folks who make Smugglers Run, and that you're relation to the game is that of "supervisor" like 3D Realms with the first. Is he crazy?I'll refrain from commenting your friends mental health, but here's how this works:

Remedy is working on the game, and the whole team is focused on making Max2 a game which pushes (again) the gameplay and tech envelope.

However, Rockstar is actively taking part in the production process. As we have access to their resources, we can push the production values even higher with stuff like character casting, photography, voice-overs and so on. They're extremely professional and efficient, so we really enjoy working with them.

3D Realms is still very involved with the game as well, with Scott and George overseeing the project.

Rama

05-29-2002, 05:37 AM

Finally we get some solid answers images/icons/smile.gif
IS it just me or has Skaven got a bit too much time to spend on the computer images/icons/cool.gif
Im not complaining though graemlins/wid.gif images/icons/wink.gif

Patch

05-29-2002, 11:34 AM

Will it have a "first person view option"? If not, I'll pass.

RollingBrass

05-29-2002, 11:36 AM

Originally posted by Joker41_54:
"You see, your crazy friend never heard of the food chain..."

http://forums.3drealms.com/images/ted/TedChain.jpgHeheheh...that's one of the ones I made. images/icons/grin.gif

The Viper

05-29-2002, 01:16 PM

Originally posted by Patch:
Will it have a "first person view option"? If not, I'll pass.hehe thanx for visiting. I'm sure you'll find another game to like (there's many games out there)

[ 05-29-2002, 01:17 PM: Message edited by: The Viper ]

biXen

05-29-2002, 05:12 PM

Would Matrix be cool if you watched everything from Neo's eyes? Hell no, what does anyone want First Person view for... insane... INSANE I TELL YA!!!

A short interview with Santino, the main character in my mod NMTB:

biXen: Santino, how come you guys aren't moving your lips when you speak.

Santino: We talk with our mouths closed so that the feds can't use lipreaders.

biXen: AHH, that explains the whole thing.

images/icons/smile.gif

Bushido

05-29-2002, 05:34 PM

Originally posted by SkavenRMD:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Remedy never did answer that question, did they? images/icons/grin.gif But we did. We promised there definitely will be moving in Max Payne, and we even delivered!

I wonder if Max Payne 2 will incorporate some new butt technology. I remember some of the members being displeased with Max's "coned butt". Max's butt... Lara's bust.. do I see a connection here?<hr /></blockquote>Yeah I remember that. Remedy seriously raised the bar on moving. I can recall pushing the "W" key and watching Max actually move forward. It was breathtaking... images/icons/grin.gif

RollingBrass

05-29-2002, 10:44 PM

Yes, but if you died, you'd stop moving. I think it was a bug. God damned lazy Remedy images/icons/mad.gif images/icons/tongue.gif

Ninja

05-30-2002, 03:21 AM

If there's not a FPV option in Max Payne 2, someone will make a mod that adds it in...there's one out for Max Payne, the EEP mod I think.

Gryph

06-01-2002, 06:49 PM

Thanks for the welcome biXen and RB! images/icons/smile.gif

Well I was very pleased when I saw moving in Max Payne. I expected nothing less from Remedy.

Hey, I think Max Payne 2 should feature dual Desert Eagles and ultra-realistic gore! ;-)

Do any of you remember when Skaven told us that Sam Lake(or someone from Remedy) went to LA for business reasons...do you think the game might take place in LA...hmmm...could be.

I wonder what new cool features Remedy and Rockstar can think of to put in this game. I hope they put some of the stuff they weren't able to in the first one.

And don't worry about multiplayer guys...