Since people are talking about bringing Duke Nukem Forever back from the dead...

[Bad Asp]

...I've gotta post this.

There's a certain cancelled game I want uncancelled that doesn't have even a tiny fraction of the support that Duke Nukem Forever is getting.

You'd think that with two certain companies, Lucasarts and Telltale Games, working together on the new Monkey Island games, they'd work together to resurrect this game.

I speak, of course, of "Sam and Max: Freelance Police".

Why is it that so many people are talking flak about this game nowadays? It seems every message board I go to, people are talking about how glad they are that this game is cancelled, and they tell me that the game is "too old", and that there is "no point in resurrecting a long-dead project". I don't think those people would say the same thing about DNF!

And it really infuriates me that the voices of Sam and Max in this game, Bill Farmer and Nick Jameson, are getting one of the rawest deals. First, this game gets cancelled, then the other game they voiced those characters (Sam and Max Hit The Road) is no longer sold in the United States, then they don't get invited to voice Sam and Max in the new episodic series because Telltale replaces them with cheap locals who, in my opinion, sound HORRIBLE. That makes me so angry.:mad:

I would really appreciate it if all those people out there who are supporting Duke Nukem Forever would support this game as well. In fact, now that Lucasarts and Telltale are working together, there's NO reason this game SHOULDN'T get any support at all! If Lucasarts uncancelled that game, it'd be the ultimate act of redemption for them. It's because they cancelled that game in the first place that a lot of people don't trust that company nowadays.

Who agrees with me on this?

[Sang]

Who agrees with me on this?

Not me, because I never heard of the game. What's wrong with the new Sam & Max episodes?

[Bad Asp]

Not me, because I never heard of the game. What's wrong with the new Sam & Max episodes?

:brickwall:

I JUST TOLD YOU that they used cheap, horrible-sounding actors to voice Sam and Max instead of the original ones! Is this how it's going to be on every single forum I go to? Jeez!
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[Needle]

Yes! It's time we all unite and free our favorite adventure games from the corporate clutches of Telltale and guide them back into the loving arms of Lucasarts!!!!1

[Bad Asp]

Yes! It's time we all unite and free our favorite adventure games from the corporate clutches of Telltale and guide them back into the loving arms of Lucasarts!!!!1

:doh:
Lucasarts is the company that is sitting on the rights to "Sam and Max: Freelance Police"! It's been in development hell FOR FIVE YEARS! It needs to be released NOW! If anything, it should be released from the corporate clutches of LUCASARTS!

[Amakou]

:doh:
Lucasarts is the company that is sitting on the rights to "Sam and Max: Freelance Police"! It's been in development hell FOR FIVE YEARS! It needs to be released NOW! If anything, it should be released from the corporate clutches of LUCASARTS!

Sarcasm (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm).

~Amakou~

[Paroxysm]

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Lucasarts is the company that is sitting on the rights to "Sam and Max: Freelance Police"! It's been in development hell FOR FIVE YEARS!

No it hasn't been. "Development hell" implies it's in development. It got taken out the back and shot long ago.

[lordlonelobo]

Yeah, when something gets cancelled, the likelihood of it getting reversed is slim, and it seems irrelevant to bring up DNF, because it has been getting developed for twelve years. It's not like they cancelled it in '99 and just now people are wanting to bring it back.

[vcatkiller]

I wouldn't mind seeing it back myself. The likelyhood of this happening? Next to not at all.

[Crosma]

I JUST TOLD YOU that they used cheap, horrible-sounding actors to voice Sam and Max instead of the original ones! Is this how it's going to be on every single forum I go to? Jeez!
Probably. The current episodic actors are actually better (in my opinion), and this is the only point you've raised. You're going to need a more substantial argument.

Many of the developers of Freelance Police left for Telltale, and some old LucasArts pros were already there. They've got a solid team and far more creative freedom than LucasArts would allow. I can't think of any reasons why the original project would have worked out better than what we ended up with.

[Bad Asp]

Probably. The current episodic actors are actually better (in my opinion), and this is the only point you've raised. You're going to need a more substantial argument.

Well, in my HONEST opinion, the current episodic actors are a slap in the face to all that work Bill Farmer and Nick Jameson put into voicing the characters. That's like a big fat middle finger right there! YOU DON'T THROW THE ORIGINAL ACTORS UNDER THE BUS. They're like celebrities. Bill Farmer is the current voice of Disney's Goofy, and Nick Jameson is not only a famous musician (he's been a member of Foghat) but he's also been on Lost and 24. If the current episodic actors really were better, then other studios would hire them to work on other projects, and I checked imdb, and I don't think they've done any recent work other than Sam and Max.

Many of the developers of Freelance Police left for Telltale, and some old LucasArts pros were already there. They've got a solid team and far more creative freedom than LucasArts would allow. I can't think of any reasons why the original project would have worked out better than what we ended up with.

I can think of plenty:

1. Better voice acting for Sam and Max
2. It's longer
3. More minigames
4. More items
5. A better storyline, maybe
6. About two years were spent working on this game, as opposed to less than a month each for the current ones
7. Cancelling this game caused several bonds of trust with Lucasarts to be broken, and uncancelling that game would allow the company to be trusted again
8. The entire Sam and Max community does not consist entirely of people who only want to buy the episodic games
9. STOP PRESSURING ME!!!

[Sang]

Well congratulations on coming up with 'arguments' that are either irrelevant or complete speculation. You thinking the voice actors are crap is valid but that alone does not warrant calling a game shitty. (though obviously when I made my first reply I missed you saying that :o)

[Bad Asp]

Well, maybe they wouldn't be just "speculation" if people actually put effort into bringing that Freelance Police back from cancellation instead of just leaving it for dead.

[Artigkar]

You think the sam and max episodes VA are terrible?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXLmcjWUjUU

seen this before?

What you think of those voices there?

[Crosma]

1. Better voice acting for Sam and MaxYour opinion. I disagree. I don't see why it matters what other work they've done. What matters is the work they are doing.

2. It's longerA season of episodes costs about the same as the full Freelance Police would. Yet each season is longer than a single full-length adventure game typically is.

3. More minigamesDoubtful. The episodes have loads.

4. More itemsI'm not sure what your point is. More items = more quality? Erm...

5. A better storyline, maybeEach season has a lengthy story-arc. Kinda moot one there.

6. About two years were spent working on this game, as opposed to less than a month each for the current onesWell, they're different beasts aren't they. You've over-exaggerated and under-exaggerated to make the development time seem more disparate though.

7. Cancelling this game caused several bonds of trust with Lucasarts to be broken, and uncancelling that game would allow the company to be trusted againSort of. Truth was that LucasArts' internal culture had killed any chance of it being any good. The marketing types couldn't understand why the developers were even thinking about their old franchises. After all, adventure games sales were (and still are) in the toilet.

See. This is the problem. LucasArts is not capable of making the game you want. Every person who worked on LucasArts' adventure games has since moved on. A large number of these LucasArts veterans are at Telltale.

8. The entire Sam and Max community does not consist entirely of people who only want to buy the episodic gamesIf you want a full-length game then just play a season from start to finish. It's much the same thing.

9. STOP PRESSURING ME!!!You can't just announce an unsubstantiated position on a forum and expect people to just say, "Ok cool, how insightful."