Official Fallout 3 Thread Part 4

[Kalki]

Closed the last part due to size, which can still be reached here:

http://forums.3drealms.com/vb/showthread.php?t=33650

Second Part
http://forums.3drealms.com/vb/showthread.php?t=27653
First Part:
http://forums.3drealms.com/vb/showthread.php?t=17464

[Water12356]

I hear that the GOTY edition of Fallout 3 will have all of the DLC including mothership Zeta. I wish they would create a standalone DLC pack. (that contains ALL of them) I dont wana download it from GFWL if I dont have to.

[tvc 15]

Mothership z? when is done???

I don't think they have announced a release date, but I don't follow the news too closely.

and refresh my memory in FO1 or 2 New reno is las vegas?

New Reno's New Reno.

And "van buren" is "new vegas" or part of it...or inspired...

Van Buren is dead, but since FO3 had some references to it then so might New Vegas. If you're interested, there are loads of design docs for Van Buren over at NMA (http://www.nma-fallout.com/forum/dload.php?action=category&cat_id=61).

[Montykoro!]

@tvc thx! read all the design doc time ago... van buren is located in nevada no? maybe New vegas like you said take little parts of it...

(like the bomb 001 so much coincidence in broken steel)

[someguy2435]

Mothership Zeta comes out on July 28.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Mothership_Zeta_(add-on)

[Aegeri]

Mothership Zeta is sort of giving me that goofy bad vibe that OA did. OA did not turn out very well at all.

On the other hand what they have done since has managed to be a lot better (then again, that isn't inherently saying much by itself). The Pitt, Broken Steel and Point Lookout have all been pretty decent. I don't think the concept is that great though, but we'll see.

[Thief]

I'm curious about the total hard-drive space for the game plus all DLCs released so far? I'm thinking I'll just wait for the GOTY edition before diving in.

[Montykoro!]

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/87/dibujonxa.th.jpg (http://img40.imageshack.us/i/dibujonxa.jpg/)

All the DLC, some ss, no mods

[Thief]

Wow, that's a lot less space than I had imagined. Thank you kindly. :)

[Montykoro!]

The dlc are only "maps" but all the asset material and etc are in the "standart" installation...the dlc are 350-550 mb only... small if you ask me XD

any time :) have more games resting in my HD :p

[K100]

4 pics of Mothership Zeta:
http://fallout.bethsoft.com/eng/art/fallout3-screenshots1.html

[NutWrench]

Alien Blast rifle! :woot:

[peoplessi]

Great. I hope New Vegas is going along nicely :)

[Damien_Azreal]

I love the look of the aline weapons. :D They really nailed that retro look.

[Montykoro!]

August 3 For mothership Z.... interesting... my winter holiday starts that day... coincidence? Fate?

I want 2 more DLC!!!! the next one, in the capital wasteland involving vault 76 and vault 69...some disease and the cure, the vault 76 have the disease and the 69 the cure (maybe some tricky desicion involving the only man and the 999 womens) and the second one someting in the lines of Reilly's Rangers discover some interesting place (like a uncharted weapon store, high tech facility, R&D of robcop or Geneal atomics, maybe a early prototype of lliberty prime) and the Brotherhood, the outcast, and Reilly's Rangers battle for the control of the site... Help the small factions of Rangers? The Outcast? The Brotherhood (your best ally so far...)...

Keep dreaming Monty...

[someguy2435]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1kLHeI3s8Y

why does this exist

[NutWrench]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1kLHeI3s8Y

why does this exist

I know. I hate that kind of music.



;)

[Simon Charles]

I know. I hate that kind of music.

I couldn't scramble to turn that shit off fast enough. :mryuck:

[K100]

http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/9395/mothershipzetacryo02jpg.th.jpg (http://img32.imageshack.us/i/mothershipzetacryo02jpg.jpg/) http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/5878/mothershipzetadronecann.th.jpg (http://img27.imageshack.us/i/mothershipzetadronecann.jpg/) http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/4218/mothershipzetazetajpg.th.jpg (http://img32.imageshack.us/i/mothershipzetazetajpg.jpg/)

[Hudson]

I can't wait for the new content to be released on the PS3, consider my cash sold for each episode. :love:

As much as I hate to admit this, coming from a diehard FO1/2 fan.. FO3 captured much of the atmosphere and dialog that I was looking for. Story wise.. yeah they kinda re-hashed much of what was already done in previous games (pointed out by many), but the gameplay made up for it.

I only hope that since Bethesda has already started work on FO4 and Obsidian on FO:New Vegas (a company made from FO founders) that this works in the favor of the future of the universe.

[John]

Yeah I'm looking forward to the Obsidian project the most. :) Should be interesting what they can do with the FO3 game.

[peoplessi]

As much as I hate to admit this, coming from a diehard FO1/2 fan.. FO3 captured much of the atmosphere and dialog that I was looking for. Story wise.. yeah they kinda re-hashed much of what was already done in previous games (pointed out by many), but the gameplay made up for it.

Story wise, dialogue wise, they really fell flat. Just my opinion, there were times when it was borderline bad. This is the part that I didn't really like that much, there were good parts, but soon after that it was again something almost that felt fantasy. It showed that different people, from different mind sets, wrote Fallout 3 - in comparison to Fallout, or the maybe bit over-the-top Fallout 2. Most point the main storyline to be one of it's weakest links, in quality of writing - the whole father ordeal felt really pushed and rough. When most of the side-stories where rather good! Not consistent.

Atmosphere, well yes, that they did capture, and really well. That is the part I love in Fallout 3. It was very ambitious project, to bring Fallout from isometric 2D to 3D. It worked rather well, although - we can see the console limitations here and there with the assets. PC could have handled bit more detailed textures and models. Can't really complain much on the combat either, except a bit more aware and "intelligent" AI. It felt pretty good through out.

One thing that I have to say, is the DLC. It's like double-edged sword - some good some bad. Broken Steel is my favorite and it was essentially the only one that really tied into the game. Somehow, for me, when you release DLC after the game - I expect it to deliver something, something coherent that fits the world. After going through The Pitt - the pacing was off, and somehow it just didn't fit. Although I loved the ending, story-wise. It was good. Choices choices. Broken Steel felt balls out awesome, but maybe it went too overboard with the gear and stuff ;) Operation Anchorage... well... nothing good to say about that.

I just want to complain on the UI in a separate paragraph. There is no reason to leave PC UI un-touched - just felt like a slap in the face. Let the mod makers fix this, which should be correct right out of the box.

I only hope that since Bethesda has already started work on FO4 and Obsidian on FO:New Vegas (a company made from FO founders) that this works in the favor of the future of the universe.

I don't know how big their team is, so that might put so constraints on what they can do. Next Elder Scrolls game is under works, so FO4 might be ways out. but I hope lead writer is changed for FO4 and Emil Pagliarulo stays with Elder Scrolls. The times too fantasy themed overtones shadowed FO3, in my opinion.

Fallout 4 with id Tech 5 - hell yeah. You know, it would be great to have some cooperative or some MP aspects too. But rather have a solid SP experience than mediocre SP and lackluster MP.

Obsidian, yeah, I trust those guys. NWN2 they ****** up, let's be honest, the story didn't really catch on until Second Chapter - that's way too long tutorial with the basic fantasy crap you see in every game. BUT the expansions were great! Each in their own style. Alpha Protocol seems also nice, again new twists. As for New Vegas - it can't go wrong. Really, they are having a opportunity with Fallout once again. The thing that lacked in Fallout 3 - might just be "fixed" in this

[Aegeri]

As much as I hate to admit this, coming from a diehard FO1/2 fan.. FO3 captured much of the atmosphere and dialog that I was looking for.

They did nail the atmosphere and IMO they even nailed the sense of exploration (Especially in Point Lookout, which is really good). But their dialogue is atrocious, albeit in saying this it's a huge improvement for Bethsoft but they have a long way to go until they can write genuinely good dialogue.

They will hopefully improve. I am more excited about the Fallout being developed by Obsidian than anything Bethsoft may do in future.

[NutWrench]

When is Mothership Zeta coming out? (for the PC)

[Damien_Azreal]

August 3rd IIRC.

[NutWrench]

Thanks!

[Montykoro!]

Alien epoxi + Gauss rifle= +50% CND Wiii!

[ZuljinRaynor]

Did anyone else get a patch today?

[ZaphodB]

Yeah, I did. And it seems to have fixed a few bugs, in that I can now actually exit the game without having to "end process" in the task manager.

[Damien_Azreal]

Yes, few very small bug fixes... mostly just preparing the game for the release of Mothership Zeta.

[Acid]

Looking forward to the Fallout New vegas Obsidian a doin, more so then Fo4 , cant wait to see what they do, (hopefully be isometric view again and with better death animation's then in Fo3, blood mess perk got boring.)

[Damien_Azreal]

I actually prefer the first person view myself. :)

[ZuljinRaynor]

I prefer the third person view in FO3 but isometric is my view of choice, not cause of Fallout, but cause I love Turn Based Tactics games and they are usually isometric. :p

[Aegeri]

So long as they do it well I don't mind what they do. I don't really feel Fallout 3 got the FPS based combat very well (minding mods on the PC version really help it out, sadly I own the 360 version). I would much prefer a decent isometric based system, regardless if it is turn based or real time. Alternatively, much improved FPS combat mechanics would be a good start.

[K100]

Mothership Zeta Trailer:
http://bethblog.com/index.php/2009/07/31/mothership-zeta-trailer-and-team-diary/

[NutWrench]

That Mothership Zeta trailer doesn't excite me too much, but then I felt the same way about the Point Lookout trailer and it ended up being my favorite add-on.

[axion]

If I decide to buy the GOTY edition with all the DLC included, how does it work for me giving away my old copy since it's attached to my GFWL ID?

[Simon Charles]

Fallout 3 updating on Steam -- for me anyway. Wanted to play but Steam wouldn't start it, 'game not available'. 3 reboots later and now it's downloading stuff. Slow as hell.

[NutWrench]

I've already added points to my Live account, so I'll be all set tomorrow when the Mothership Zeta DLC becomes available (they're charging 800 points, or about $10)

[NutWrench]

Downloading Mothership Zeta . . .

[ZaphodB]

Downloading Mothership Zeta . . .

Been doing that since 7am, and it's only 304MB in size, and I'm only half-done.:(

[ZuljinRaynor]

If I decide to buy the GOTY edition with all the DLC included, how does it work for me giving away my old copy since it's attached to my GFWL ID?

It isn't tied, at least, I don't think it is as the game prompts you to input your Live Key whenever you try to go online with the copy for the first time. I installed the game on my desktop, clicked sign it, it asked for the key, then let me use my Live account. I went though the same process when I installed it on my laptop. The account part is after the key. So you should be fine at giving it away to someone.

[Montykoro!]

Finish Mothership Z...

Expect so much... and the result is a Meh...

[NutWrench]

I agree. It was ok. You get some really nice weapons out of it but the writing was terrible. Most of the questions are left unanswered. Why were people being abducted? (You don't waste hundreds of years collecting humans just to make a few hybrids). What was the medical procedure they performed on the player at the beginning? Why did another alien ship show up at the end? (I was completely confused for a while about what I was seeing. Are we all on a shuttle, now? Is the ship we're on transforming somehow? Ohhhhhh, now I get it. It's ANOTHER alien ship.) And here's another question. I DISABLED that friggin super cannon before I reached the bridge. How is it that 2 minutes later, it's working just fine against the other alien ship?

Why is 90% of the ship is off-limits once I complete the main quest? Considering that there are still unique weapons and a Perk hidden in those areas, whose brilliant idea was THAT? (The same guy who hid the Energy Weapons Bobblehead in the Enclave Base, probably). How am I going to keep my new weapons in good repair? Where is my Alien Epoxy dispenser machine? Harrumph!

This DLC felt much more like Operation Anchorage: a very linear endurance test.

[Montykoro!]

Another question... I fired the death ray to the earth... No karma?

The Best DLC: Broken steel, Point lookout, The pitt, Operation anchorage (the history is FAR better than the stupid mothership Z) and mothership Z

[someguy2435]

Operation Anchorage was a lot of fun. Screw the haters.

[ZuljinRaynor]

I agree.

[Damien_Azreal]

Anchorage is fun, it's just incredibly linear. It's biggest flaw was how linear it is... it stands out in Fallout 3, and doesn't always feel like it really belongs.
Plus, given that Fallout 3 does not have the greatest gunplay out there... it can make a linear shooter experience (like Anchorage) feel a bit stiff.

But it's still fun.
So far I've only played Anchorage and The Pitt, but I look forward to getting all the other DLC. :) Not sure if I should just buy the other three DLCs (thirty bucks) or buy the Game of the Year edition when it's released for 50.

[ZaphodB]

I enjoyed MZ, far more than the pitt. were questions left unanswered? yes, because they are aliens, and we don't think like them, nor would we understand if given an answer. Thought the exploration was fun, and there was lots to explore. Also several combat sequences were pretty intense, as you would expect being on something of it's size. My only disappointment was areas closed after you finished it, I did not understand the necessity of this. Makes me want to replay it just to hoard everything off the levels before they are locked out.

[Aegeri]

Operation Anchorage was a lot of fun. Screw the haters.

If you like boring linear corridor shooters with terrible combat and nothing that makes Fallout 3 actually good, then well, yes.

The DLC released after OA is far superior. The only thing worthwhile about OA is the shock sword and the Chinese Stealth suit. Albeit, both of those are so ridiculously overpowered that it feels a bit like cheating. I would skip OA unless you are really obsessive about collecting everything you can or like really crappily done corridor shooting.

Mothership Zeta was alright, but the fact it locks you out of a whole bunch of areas was really a surprise and very annoying. Makes most of the things in the DLC useless because you can't use them. It also seems very buggy (see Nuts post for some examples like the cannon: I can swear that's a bug).

[ZuljinRaynor]

Point Lookout is the worst DLC out of TES4/FO3. I rather pay $10 for ******* Horse Armor than the $10 I payed for Point Lookout.

Operation Anchorage is the only one I haven't regretted at all. The Pitt, some regret as all the new items in it, besides the shotgunlike laser rifle, suck.

[someguy2435]

I don't hate Point Lookout as much as Zulie but I do think that Operation Anchorage was lots of fun. Designed to be more like a shooter, things are guaranteed to be linear to a point. It's not like you couldn't go off and explore - you'd usually find stuff like health stations or ammo. I also liked that they tried to make it more of a challenge so you can't just spam stimpaks and expend ammo like crazy. The items you got were really powerful, though, like the power armor that never degrades and the stealth suit. The shock sword isn't all that great except against robots; shishkebab is superior.

The Pitt is, without question, the worst DLC out of the whole bunch. Yes, it brought back the more non linear structure of regular Fallout 3, but damn it was short and also sucked. Hooray moral ambiguity, but you still don't see much immediate consequences for your actions. Also, the ton of armor variants were only useful when you didn't have your stuff, which was maybe 20 minutes tops. Laser shotgun > all. The Perforator/Infiltrator I didn't find as useful as I'd hoped.

Looking back on Broken Steel, I think the only real reason to get it was level 30. The ending was definitely better and fleshed out, but basically forced you into joining the Brotherhood of Steel. They should have explored an quest line where you might be able to join the Enclave, but it might have been equally lame. Also, the new level cap pretty much ensures you're getting 10s and 100s across all of your stats with little/no effort.

I absolutely loved having a new map to explore in Point Lookout, since the regular Wasteland map is useless after you explored it once. It is so ridiculously difficult until you get the Superior Defender and Ghoul Ecology perks, though. Seriously Bethesda, why can Tribals in loinclothes withstand more shotgun headshots than armored Enclave soldiers?

I haven't gotten far in Mothership Zeta, but it's not too interesting I think.

[NutWrench]

My only disappointment was areas closed after you finished it, I did not understand the necessity of this. Makes me want to replay it just to hoard everything off the levels before they are locked out.

That bugged me, too. There is a really awesome Perk in the Armory firing range: +20% Damage with Alien weapons (when you complete a firing range exercise. I missed it the first time through, so I restarted a new character a few days ago). There's also a full-auto version of one of the Disintegrator rifles hidden in there.

[peoplessi]

Point Lookout is the worst DLC out of TES4/FO3. I rather pay $10 for ******* Horse Armor than the $10 I payed for Point Lookout.

Operation Anchorage is the only one I haven't regretted at all. The Pitt, some regret as all the new items in it, besides the shotgunlike laser rifle, suck.

Only one I didn't regret was Broken Steel - yet one has to get a "fix" of Fallout 3 - they could have sold me new mountains for Fallout 3. It doesn't really matter what they release as DLC as it's bound to sell a lot either way.

In hindsight a BIG expansion, 1, would have been better than 5 with no relation to one another.

[ZuljinRaynor]

Yes, an expansion pack would've been better. Shivering Isles for example was much higher quality than all the DLC of TES4. Also SI felt more polished and more like the vanilla Oblivion experience.

[Montykoro!]

Found the Waste Disposal.. see the corvega in "mint" condition WOW... i can't found

Experimentation Lab
Research Lab
Weapons Lab

:(

[Aegeri]

Also SI felt more polished and more like the vanilla Oblivion experience.

Which was probably why it was so terrible :p

I think that the Fallout 3 DLC has been fairly worthwhile. I really enjoyed the difficulty that point lookout offered and some of the new tough monsters in Broken Steel were very welcome for me.

Mothership Zeta wasn't that fun though now I've finished it :(

[razgriz]

Should I or shouldn't I buy Point Lookout and Mothership Zeta?

It has been awhile since I've fired up Fallout 3 on my PC (again, more bugs from Fallout 3).

I enjoyed Broken Steel, The Pitt, and Operation Anchorage.

[NutWrench]

Should I or shouldn't I buy Point Lookout and Mothership Zeta?

It has been awhile since I've fired up Fallout 3 on my PC (again, more bugs from Fallout 3).

I enjoyed Broken Steel, The Pitt, and Operation Anchorage.

Yes. Get them both. I would save playing Point Lookout for last, though. I think it's the best of the DLCs.

I was having a lot of problems with Fallout 3 until recently. The game would crash from time to time and wouldn't exit properly. A couple to times the computer would actually blue screen and I'd have to restart. After I went into my cards drivers and changed all the settings to 'Quality', the problems went away. :)

[tvc 15]

Saw this this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05akmWwvzBQ) in a NMA newspost (http://www.nma-fallout.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=51458).

Trivia: Bethesda won the GDC Best Writing award.

[someguy2435]

game journalism
ha

[Aegeri]

Saw this this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05akmWwvzBQ) in a NMA newspost (http://www.nma-fallout.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=51458).

Trivia: Bethesda won the GDC Best Writing award.

That certainly made my day.

[NutWrench]

I liked this comment the most:
Great post!!

I think that the bulk of the problem when it comes to gaming "journalism" stems from the fact that the bulk of advertising dollars for gaming websites come from gaming companies themselves.

Not hard to make the jump from A) getting money from a gaming company to B) not slamming their product a short time later.

The only time we'll get decent, unbiased gaming journalism or reviews is when the websites that hire the writers are able to sustain themselves outside of the industries advertising dollars.

I think this guy nailed it: it's about not biting the hand that feeds you. Gaming "journalism" (such as it is) is not a self-funding organization. That's why we have so many of these uncritical, fawning reviews. That kind of reporting doesn't help folks who are seeking an unbiased opinion.

[ZuljinRaynor]

Moria has the worst written dialog ever. I'll take engrish over her retardisms.

[someguy2435]

Hot little potatoes!

:doh:

[Montykoro!]

More fallout!!!!! where is Fallout 4? or Vegas!!!! :(

[evanazzo]

I'm stuck. Beginning to broken steel. Any help? I can't move or shoot or do ANYTHING. I can only turn around and listen to fawkes say this over and over again.

This is where I am stuck
http://i579.photobucket.com/albums/ss234/EvanAzzo/Stuff/th_Fallout32009-09-1318-00-27-98.jpg (http://s579.photobucket.com/albums/ss234/EvanAzzo/Stuff/?action=view&current=Fallout32009-09-1318-00-27-98.jpg)
http://i579.photobucket.com/albums/ss234/EvanAzzo/Stuff/th_Fallout32009-09-1317-44-14-39.jpg (http://s579.photobucket.com/albums/ss234/EvanAzzo/Stuff/?action=view&current=Fallout32009-09-1317-44-14-39.jpg)

[Hudson]

Did you try reloading?

[evanazzo]

Did you try reloading?

Multiple times. Even left it on over night. Nothing D:

[NutWrench]

You should have an AutoSave at the point where you entered the Purifier.
Does that save work?

[evanazzo]

I didn't enter. Fawks did.

---------- Post added at 07:21 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:09 PM ----------

I just tried it again by sending the bitch in. No luck there either. D:

[ZaphodB]

Walk forward and just keep pushing him, he'll eventually move.

[evanazzo]

Zaph and I fixed this this morning. I had to update to the 1.7 patch.

[0marTheZealot]

So long as they do it well I don't mind what they do. I don't really feel Fallout 3 got the FPS based combat very well (minding mods on the PC version really help it out, sadly I own the 360 version). I would much prefer a decent isometric based system, regardless if it is turn based or real time. Alternatively, much improved FPS combat mechanics would be a good start.

The problem with Fallout 3's combat is that the movement is totally off in scale. Guys would dash across the screen at 40 MPH and it made it very difficult to track. You practically needed the Grim Reaper's Sprint to do the high level content. Once you do get that perk though, the entire game is a cakewalk, you can literally clear out a room without taking a single point of damage.

[NutWrench]

Falcon Punch! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDcFdiersSM)

[Water12356]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1B5T9Jr7pY0&feature=related

This one is better. :p

[Thief]

I'm going to be receiving my copy from Ebay next week at the latest, just wondering if there are any essential mods I should look into downloading?
I'm still looking to play the game the way it was meant to be played, so no quest changing mods, additional pickup/perk mods, gameplay adjusters etc...just looking for some ... enhancement mods is the way I'd put it I guess.

Examples being the Natural Environments mod, or the Illumination Within mod for Oblivion.
I'd welcome and appreciate any suggestions. Thanks!

[NutWrench]

I recommend Repair Rethought which lets you use a wider variety of scrap material to repair your armor and weapons.

If you get any of the official add-ons, I'd recommend Broken Steel and Point Lookout.

[Boo Boo Juice]

You guys are making me want this on PC, but I want to wait and see if the GOTY edition will hit steam. I played through this on xbox, but I'd like to play it on PC with some mods and such. Seems like it would be more fun.

[Damien_Azreal]

I'm waiting to see how stable the Game of the Year Edition is. :) I may trade up from my original retail release.

[Hudson]

I am, without a doubt. Especially considering that Bethesda finally fixed the AA and draw distance issues with the PS3 version.

Sure, I'll sell my vanilla copy for $25 (probably all Gamestop will give me, if not much less) and pay an additional $25+ for the base game all over again for a free $50 worth of DLC.

[Damien_Azreal]

Well, I own the PC version... and it'll only be worth trading up if Bethesda fixed the various memory leaks in the current PC version.
If they've fixed those... hell yes I'll trade up, but if not... or they just release a patch that addresses them, I'll stick with what I've got.

[Thief]

So in the US you can still trade in used PC games? Canadians lost that convenience a long time ago.
Thanks for the suggestion, NutWrench. Anyone else have any mod suggestions?

[axion]

I'll probably just give my original copy away and buy the GOTY edition for all the DLC.

[Simon Charles]

So in the US you can still trade in used PC games? Canadians lost that convenience a long time ago.

Really? When did we lose that? Didn't get the memo.

[Thief]

Hmm, thought it was pretty widespread. :confused:
All EB Games/GameStops have stopped accepting PC game trade-ins for well over a year now (in Ontario, at least).

[Hudson]

So in the US you can still trade in used PC games?

Not in the last five years you haven't, at least on the east coast and the "heartland" of the USA.

[someguy2435]

Hmm, thought it was pretty widespread. :confused:
All EB Games/GameStops have stopped accepting PC game trade-ins for well over a year now (in Ontario, at least).

it's been like that since 2006-2007

[NutWrench]

This mod looks pretty cool. It gives you a Captain Falcon follower, complete with Falcon Punch. (Go to 2:20 onwards in the vid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Or0dleOxe8) if you don't want to waste a lot of time)

[Rellik66]

here's a handy bit of info: The GOTY edition comes with 2 discs, the first is regular fallout 3 and the second installs all the official DLC.

What's really cool is if you have the steam version of fallout 3, you can use disc 2 and install all the DLC addons without going through the GfW crap.