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ReadOnly

07-28-2009, 11:12 PM

Oh, man... Now I really hate Twilight. But not because of teen girls or something. Because I keep hearing whining from others(on internets) about how bad Twilight is or something like that.

Haven't watched it, though. But now I plan to. Probably gonna be a pretty decent, but naive film.

Steve

07-28-2009, 11:15 PM

Haven't watched it, though. But now I plan to. Probably gonna be a pretty decent, but naive film.
My wife, myself, and her 15 year old daughter watched it (the age group they targeted). We all hated it.

P*ssy vampire. You may like it though. A few friends of ours enjoyed it.

DerricktheW

07-29-2009, 12:05 AM

Harry Potter can at least hold your attention for the whole movie

I zoned out during Twilight, both times I've watched it.

If I didn't have friends basically translating what was happening, I'd still have no idea what the movie was about.

John

07-29-2009, 12:11 AM

I heard an ongoing debate by some teenage girls about whether Harry Potter or Twilight was better.

I asked them why the hell they were having this conversation - they then asked me if I liked either one, and I said "I'm liking the newer HP movies because theyre getting better and more mature, but Twilight was ******* atrocious"... and they looked at me like I just committed a deadly sin or something.

ReadOnly

07-29-2009, 02:10 AM

I hope Twilight is not as atrocious as Harry Potter 1 was.

Monkey Butler

07-29-2009, 03:09 AM

The Harry Potter books are a pretty bloody good for what they are, and Rowling showed some pretty remarkable talent at shaping a literary universe so deeply. The movies have been getting steadily better (except for the the fourth, that was garbage) but they started as an absolute joke, so that's not saying too much.

Twilight sounds pretty much just like a fad. I have to admit I haven't read any of the books or seen the movie, but the story as per Wikipedia sounds stupid, and I've never heard anyone discussing the literary merits of it, so I'm guessing it's just a teenaged Mills and Boon.

ReadOnly

07-29-2009, 03:23 AM

Fourth? I've heard that about the fifth one. Fourth is frequently a favorite, as I recall.

Actually, I don't care about literacy or whatever if the movie(or other media for that matter) sparks something emotional(various kinds of) inside me. Besides, while stories are important in movies, that's not all that movies are consist of. By a large margin.

Sang

07-29-2009, 07:16 AM

All of your opinions on Twilight are worthless because you know you were biased since before you stepped into the theatre to see it. Surely I can't be the only one who hated the movie from the start because it was popular and starred emo kids.

wayskobfssae

07-29-2009, 09:18 AM

I tend to get a bad vibe about ANYTHING popular before I see it. But the chances of me liking it afterward are pretty 50/50.

With regard to Twilight, I can't say enough bad things about it. TBH though if I'm going to go on a big rant, I'd rather post it in Popular Media. Which I was planning on doing. So I did a search for the Twilight thread, and encountered a strange anomaly. There was no Twilight thread. I think that alone really says something about the franchise.

Regarding the OP... WTF!!!!! Twilight is the LAST thing that deserves to become an MMO. Somebody call Whitewolf.

I hope Twilight is not as atrocious as Harry Potter 1 was.

They should've gotten Uwe Boll to direct Twilight. And for the sake of the film, I mean that sincerely.

prophecy holder

07-29-2009, 11:31 AM

Looks like the dominant sex in this game will be female between the ages of 12-25. A sissy vampire love story with bad acting is not my idea of a mmo game.

To sang, it's a emo kid chick flick with a sissy vampire in it. All the ingredients to make a terrible movie that only appeals to tween and teen girls with the occasional sissy guy thrown in.

Sang

07-29-2009, 12:03 PM

To sang, it's a emo kid chick flick with a sissy vampire in it. All the ingredients to make a terrible movie that only appeals to tween and teen girls with the occasional sissy guy thrown in.

If you hate the "ingredients" of the film by default then yes, your opinion is worthless.

It's like a person saying "I hate movies with manly heroes and guns being fired, they're stupid ingredients, this makes Die Hard a bad movie".

My point is not that negative opinions about Twilight are worthless but that the reasons behind them make them that way. "I hate emo kids" "I hate chick flicks" "I hate vampires" "I hate popularity" - none of these are valid arguments for calling Twilight - or any movie for that matter - a bad one.

ZuljinRaynor

07-29-2009, 01:41 PM

What about "the vampires in Twilight are lame compared to more classic vampires?"

wayskobfssae

07-29-2009, 02:10 PM

If you hate the "ingredients" of the film by default then yes, your opinion is worthless.

Which side are you on, btw? You haven't even stated whether you like it or not. All you've been doing is telling everyone their opinions are meaningless because they're not tween girls. Are you one of those trolls who wears the "level-headed voice of reason" disguise?

It's possible to hate a genre, and still realize that a film is bad, even for that genre. Twilight is actually THAT bad.

What about "the vampires in Twilight are lame compared to more classic vampires?"

Actually, the butchering of vampire lore is the least of the Twilight's faults... with one exception...

http://www.zazzle.ca/vampires_dont_freakin_sparkle_tshirt-235210933746931388

I'm almost convinced that at least 1% of this movie's sales came from people who watched it just to find out if it was as bad as their friends claimed. Neither my words, nor anyone elses' could hope to convey the film's faults any better than Kristen Stewart and Robert Pattinson could hope to convey the love of Edward and Bella. You'd be better off just watching it, but the less money you spend to do this, the better. Though you could always download the rifftrax for it and have a really fun time. Actually, you might get an inkling of what the film is like from the rifftrax preview... http://www.rifftrax.com/rifftrax/twilight

DerricktheW

07-29-2009, 02:15 PM

"This is who I am"

"Its beautiful"

Sang

07-29-2009, 03:45 PM

What about "the vampires in Twilight are lame compared to more classic vampires?"

That could be a valid argument, sure. But not just "I hate Twilight vampires".

Which side are you on, btw?

What? Seriously? Is there a war between Twilight fans and Twilight haters?

You haven't even stated whether you like it or not. All you've been doing is telling everyone their opinions are meaningless because they're not tween girls. Are you one of those trolls who wears the "level-headed voice of reason" disguise?

I haven't seen it. And all I see people doing is say "Twilight is a bad movie" without being able to offer a good reason. An opinion is meaningless if it is not argumented well, therefore "Twilight sucks" is a meaningless opinion unless you can explain why you think it sucks - and it seems people's explanations for that are mostly quite poor.

I already know that I would hate the movie, it doesn't seem like my kind of thing at all, but that does not mean it is a "bad movie" by default. Many people are liking it (and I don't think all of these people are just teen girls) so there must be something good about it.

It's possible to hate a genre, and still realize that a film is bad, even for that genre.

How's that? If you hate an entire genre surely every movie from that genre would look bad. It would probably take a real expert to seperate one type of shit from another type of shit and if you hate examining shit then you wouldn't do that, so these 'real experts' probably don't exist.

ZuljinRaynor

07-29-2009, 03:46 PM

I hate Citizen Kane but I can see why it's considered a "classic" or got the praise it did.

Oh, I also hate horror movies. I can still see if a movie is good though or not even if I hate the genre.

wayskobfssae

07-29-2009, 03:52 PM

How's that? If you hate an entire genre surely every movie from that genre would look bad. It would probably take a real expert to seperate one type of shit from another type of shit and if you hate examining shit then you wouldn't do that, so these 'real experts' probably don't exist.

Lol well I wouldn't go that far. Most people hate their jobs, but that doesn't mean they aren't good at their jobs.

Anyway, here's one example:

Hot sexy vampire stuff aside, it amazes me that the fans of this novel don't even seem to realize that the author has absolutely no grasp on highschool life. Bella manages to acquire friends from the popular clique on her very first day in a new school by being completely awkward, introverted, and anti-social. When was the last time you saw all the cool kids of the school walk up to the noob who is trying as much as possible to keep her head low and not be noticed... for any other reason than to intimidate her? Kids don't go out of their way to make someone like Bella feel welcome. Is she a frigging Witch wearing a Popularity Talisman?

Not only that, her personality doesn't fit her actions at all. While she acts completely uneager to join the community, the moment lunch starts, she's asking for the unabridged copy of "Who's Who in Glittergoth High"

December Man

07-29-2009, 04:21 PM

I'm going to quote the second comment on that page:

lol?

'Nuff said.

DerricktheW

07-29-2009, 04:53 PM

I haven't seen it. And all I see people doing is say "Twilight is a bad movie" without being able to offer a good reason.

It's a two hour cry fest of an overdramatic vampire that finds a human he really wants but can't exactly give out his secret about his whole family and yada yada.

This other breed of vampire eventually crosses paths with the first family... but oh no, they don't fight or anything, it just seems like it with a small build up but then nothing really happens.

More drama

Vampire and Girl are about to do it, but they don't

More drama

More overuse of the color blue

Lame action scene

More drama

Credits

I don't like it simply because its aimed towards girls looking for a love movie, and I'm not exactly a girl or with this particular interest. Its not a movie about vampires and them fighting eachother, and also werewolves, like people were telling me it was partly about before it was released. Its a movie about a girl falling for a vampire and vice versa. And it wasn't even good at doing that.

Sang

07-29-2009, 04:58 PM

I don't like it simply because its aimed towards girls looking for a love movie

So it's like all those shitty romantic comedy movies that go nowhere, except at least those movies don't pretend to be a brilliant big deal?

DerricktheW

07-29-2009, 05:24 PM

Its like Monkey Butler said; this movie is a fad.

Its like Nsync and Backstreet Boys where its damn popular by girls and they crave it, but soon enough, they all move onto the next thing.

Its really not even that interesting of a movie when you get down to it. It could've had potential, but it just wants to cry and be dramatic the whole time.

Deftones

07-29-2009, 05:50 PM

http://www.massively.com/2009/07/29/the-world-is-safe-twilight-mmo-not-a-confirmed-project/

Phew it's ok guys just a false alarm.....or is it?:O

prophecy holder

07-29-2009, 07:02 PM

How in the hell did this conversation go from Twilight going to be a game to people arguing that a movie cannot be bad because of opinions? I don't like twilight, do I have to give you a 10 page document explaining why I do not like Twilight. I'm a 21 year old guy, why the hell would I enjoy a movie aimed at teen girls? Guys in general do not like chick flicks and are usually dragged to them by there girlfriends or wifes.

Derrick said it best, It's just a two hour cry fest aimed at girls. Would you argue that the girls that like Twilight would enjoy a movie like The incredible hulk or Iron man? Some might but that is mostly a male dominated genre.

There are genres for boys and genres for girls, it's not exactly rocket science there.

someguy2435

07-29-2009, 07:51 PM

Thank God it's fake.

I'd set fire to every copy on store shelves if I saw it.

Deftones

07-29-2009, 08:12 PM

Thank God it's fake.

I'd set fire to every copy on store shelves if I saw it.

MMO might be fake but http://www.twilightthevideogame.com/ is not.

ReadOnly

07-29-2009, 11:31 PM

I'm a 21 year old guy, why the hell would I enjoy a movie aimed at teen girls?

So, being a 21yo guy, you can only enjoy movies aimed at you? That's sad.

DerricktheW

07-29-2009, 11:33 PM

When its aimed using a spot on iron sight aided sniper rifle with very little bullet spread, then yeah its not easy to enjoy movies targeted at another populance.

Monkey Butler

07-30-2009, 12:03 AM

Exactly right. I can't enjoy the Teletubbies, because it's not aimed at me in the slightest. Whereas I can still enjoy, say, Pixar movies, even though they are kids' movie, because a) they're not just aimed at kids and b) they (well, most pixar movies) have qualities beyond "good kids' movie". Seems to me that Twilight ticks neither of those boxes, and so only has value for idiots and and idiot teenage girls.

prophecy holder

07-30-2009, 12:03 AM

So, being a 21yo guy, you can only enjoy movies aimed at you? That's sad.

That has to be the dumbest thing I've ever read on this forums. So your saying guys of all nature will like any movie regardless of who the target audiences is? Show me a big group of burley guys who can say they actually enjoyed movies such as Twilight and Sex and the city, since it's aimed at girls they wont have any problems liking it.

wayskobfssae

07-30-2009, 12:24 AM

When its aimed using a spot on iron sight aided sniper rifle with very little bullet spread, then yeah its not easy to enjoy movies targeted at another populance.

Heheh, nice analogy.

ReadOnly

07-30-2009, 02:12 AM

That has to be the dumbest thing I've ever read on this forums.

That's nice.

So your saying guys of all nature will like any movie regardless of who the target audiences is?

No, I ain't. I just asked a question about whether or not you enjoy only movies aimed specifically at your demographic.

Anyway, I found DerricktheW's analogy quite good. Perhaps, he's right.

Show me a big group of burley guys who can say they actually enjoyed movies such as Twilight and Sex and the city, since it's aimed at girls they wont have any problems liking it.

I remember seeing one guy who watched SatC. People are different. They can enjoy different things. And they can project hero's/heroine's feelings and emotions unto themselves whether or not they are similar to them.

Maybe I don't have a mainstream example, but I quite enjoyed Campion's "The Portrait of a Lady" with Nicole Kidman, though it was pretty much a film for a woman demographic.

Ok, I have a mainstream example. "Brokeback Mountain". Yeah... So, straight guys couldn't have enjoyed it? I doubt it, quite frankly.

Or I confuse target audience with something else...

Sang

07-30-2009, 05:00 AM

There are genres for boys and genres for girls, it's not exactly rocket science there.

Okay then but then why are people making such a big deal over calling Twilight a bad movie? If it's not a movie that's aimed at you then of course you won't like it, again with the comparison to Teletubbies: Let's say there's a Teletubbies movie out and you, as a twenty-something bloke, go to see it. You say it's shitty but of course Teletubbies is aimed at a younger audience. Calling a movie that is obviously nothing for you a bad movie isn't a valuable opinion seeing as you're not part of the intended audience, it just makes you a troll.

"lol this movie is for 10-year-olds lol but i'm still gona watch it woah it sucked lol bad movie and the 10-year-olds?? theyre too stupid to realize that it sucks nd they wil probably forget about it in some months but theyre idiots"

That's basically the message I'm getting here (although edited a bit for dramatic effect ;))

Why can't you let teen girls, the intended audience, like what they like and go off to watch some supermanly wolf/bear-wrestling movie yourself, I think it wouldn't feel right to you either if a girl would say THAT MOVIE SUCKS, SEX AND THE CITY IS MUCH BETTER.

As you said movies are aimed at different audiences, I believe people shouldn't comment on a movie that's not for them. Live and let live.

Monkey Butler

07-30-2009, 08:54 AM

If you follow that through though, you can never comment on the quality of anything, because if you didn't like it, it obviously wasn't meant for you. Transformers 2 was the worst movie I've seen in a long time - no it wasn't, it was just aimed at people who just want to turn their brains off...see what I mean? There's a big difference between "live and let live" and making judgements as to quality.

Sang

07-30-2009, 09:55 AM

You said yourself that you can't enjoy Teletubbies because it's not aimed at you (while not stating that Teletubbies is a horrible piece of shit). Why couldn't Twilight - or indeed any movie that is obviously aimed at a particular age group/sex - get the same treatment?

"You can never comment on the quality of anything" isn't correct, following your Transformers 2 example, that movie doesn't seem to be something targetted at little kids or girls. I would say Transformers 2 is intended for a broader audience and isn't just a niche-movie like what Twilight seems to be, surely you'd be part of that audience so yes, you can comment on the quality.

Actually, you can always comment on the quality of any movie, but there are circumstances in which a person's opinion isn't very fair or valid.

Monkey Butler

07-30-2009, 11:12 AM

But just because something is aimed at a different audience, doesn't make it impossible to judge. I can't enjoy Teletubbies, but I would be able to tell if it was shit. Story, characterisation, action, directorial talent, quality of acting are all pretty much universal. It doesn't quite amount to an objective criteria, but you wouldn't be able to counter "Twilight has a trite plot, pedestrian direction and bland acting" with "but it's not meant for you".
And as an aside, I really hope that Transformers 2 wasn't made for a wide audience, because I would hate to think that the people involved in making it thought so little of so many people. I mean, if they were making it solely for 12 year olds I could begin to excuse it, but as it stands that movie was just offensively stupid.

ReadOnly

07-30-2009, 01:03 PM

^Transformers2 is gonna make $400mln domestic. That's a wide audience.

But just because something is aimed at a different audience, doesn't make it impossible to judge. I can't enjoy Teletubbies, but I would be able to tell if it was shit. Story, characterisation, action, directorial talent, quality of acting are all pretty much universal.

Then why have you said about being a 21yo dude if this movies sucked in all those departments?

What if it had greatest ever acting, story, directing then you would have enjoyed it?

Deftones

07-30-2009, 01:05 PM

I made this thread to talk about the game, like how would they make an MMO out of twilight or w/e not about the movie and who exactly is a fruit and not a fruit.

Please stay on track.

JackpotDen

07-30-2009, 01:05 PM

Suddenly, lesbian internet transvestites.

Hundreds of thousands of them

Sang

07-30-2009, 01:08 PM

^Transformers2 is gonna make $400mln domestic. That's a wide audience.

That says nothing about the intended audience or quality, it just says something about how many people went to see it.

Anyway I'd keep arguing forever but I guess we all made our point and we should subject to Deftones' wishes :o ALL HAIL DEFTONES

wayskobfssae

07-30-2009, 03:29 PM

I made this thread to talk about the game, like how would they make an MMO out of twilight or w/e not about the movie and who exactly is a fruit and not a fruit.

Please stay on track.

Well it was proven to be a hoax, and even if it wasn't, there's not much we can say about a game that has no info on it so far but a title.

Let the Twilight movie thrashing continue pls.

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^Transformers2 is gonna make $400mln domestic. That's a wide audience.

That just proves that people still haven't wised up, and as history has proven in other forms of business, people never will. Hollywood takes ancient franchise that millions of people adore, they make a half-assed movie, and everyone flocks to see it, and by the time they realize it's a pile of crap, it doesn't matter. They've already been separated from their $10 for the movie and another $15 for the popcorn and coke.

Sang

07-30-2009, 03:53 PM

Twilight movie thrashing =/= Transformers 2 movie thrashing

wayskobfssae

07-30-2009, 04:36 PM

Twilight movie thrashing =/= Transformers 2 movie thrashing

Stop trying to act like you're flawless and everyone else is an idiot for being capable of going on tangents in the natural way that conversations progress.

Monkey Butler

07-30-2009, 04:45 PM

^Transformers2 is gonna make $400mln domestic. That's a wide audience.

Then why have you said about being a 21yo dude if this movies sucked in all those departments?

What if it had greatest ever acting, story, directing then you would have enjoyed it?

I'm not sure exactly what you mean (and I'm not 21) but if Twilight had the greatest ever acting, story and directing, then yeah, even if I didn't enjoy it I'd be able to appreciate the skill that went into it. But seeing as how not a whole lot of talent (apparently) went into it, and because it was made to capitalise on a fad, then I feel pretty comfortable in my disdain.

And others have said, lots of money doesn't equate to broad appeal. As seen in the wide-spread bad reviews and massive box office drop-off.

Sang

07-30-2009, 04:54 PM

Stop trying to act like you're flawless and everyone else is an idiot for being capable of going on tangents in the natural way that conversations progress.

Who's talking about "acting"? :p That's just what I am, baby :cool:

ReadOnly

07-30-2009, 11:31 PM

I'm not sure exactly what you mean (and I'm not 21)

Oops! Sorry, I've confused with another member.

And others have said, lots of money doesn't equate to broad appeal.

I disagree. Money/admissions equals broad appeal. Films just don't collect 400+mln without broad appeal.

As seen in the wide-spread bad reviews and massive box office drop-off.

What are reviews got to do with appeal? And drops generally speak more about fronloadiness and general reception of the movie than wide appeal.