Arnold tells CA legislature to **** off [Archive]

Joe Siegler

10-29-2009, 09:32 AM

Too bad it was an accident. All this is about is a disgruntled interest group trying to make a politician look bad.

Yeah, I considered that, but consider this. If it was intentional, do you think they'd ever admit it?

X-Vector

10-29-2009, 09:55 AM

Too bad it was an accident. All this is about is a disgruntled interest group trying to make a politician look bad.

Of course this isn't accidental.

Waiter

10-29-2009, 10:18 AM

I'm sure you can work out the mathematical probability that that was an accident.

Funnily enough, I read a swedish novel about a week ago where someone did exatly that with those exact words, only with a longer document where the next lines made out the surname of the recipient.

Pansa

10-29-2009, 10:37 AM

Yeah, I considered that, but consider this. If it was intentional, do you think they'd ever admit it?
But what could they have said else, if it WAS an accident^^?
And concidere the possible fallout over stuff like that (creating a false veto, just to spite someone over a personal grudge, and be openly insulting seems a rather bad publicity move, the comedy set asside)

I declare this a shroedingers cat problem.

I know the human brain realy realy wants these things to be "on purpose", but thats statistics for you ^^

maybe its some aid's fault who thought they where clever and nobody would notice, don't realy know who actualy drafts the print. And if they fire a lowlevel imployee later, you can debate whether that was a fall..person or not ^^.

Yeah, lying and deception realy make our lifes easier ^^.

wayskobfssae

10-29-2009, 02:51 PM

Yeah, I considered that, but consider this. If it was intentional, do you think they'd ever admit it?

No they wouldn't, but what's more likely? A politician taking that kind of a risk, or a special interest group looking for an excuse to start screaming "Schwarzenegger is a gay-hater!"

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I declare this a shroedingers cat problem.

I know the human brain realy realy wants these things to be "on purpose", but thats statistics for you ^^

maybe its some aid's fault who thought they where clever and nobody would notice, don't realy know who actualy drafts the print. And if they fire a lowlevel imployee later, you can debate whether that was a fall..person or not ^^.

Yeah, lying and deception realy make our lifes easier ^^.

This kind of thing reminds me of the Little Mermaid "dildo" controversy. After 10 minutes and a picture with the object circled, I was able to see the damned thing, but still thought claiming it was a dildo was rather dubious. Either way, it very quickly got me wondering... who is the bigger pervert? The artist who drew it, or the costumer who spotted it? Can we say Inkblot?

Ninety-Six

10-29-2009, 02:57 PM

Even if it was unintentional, that is one HELL of a coincidence.

NutWrench

10-29-2009, 05:56 PM

Well, it's not like California lawmakers actually do anything useful, what with the referendum system.

Ironside

10-29-2009, 08:18 PM

I figure this makes Arnie look cool and was leaked by his office. Arnie knows what we want!

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Too bad it was an accident. All this is about is a disgruntled interest group trying to make a politician look bad.
Thats not an acident. No way it is. Read the letter again, it is set up just for that message.

Yatta

10-30-2009, 01:51 AM

Haha this is awesome, here is the lettr he sent with the hidden message.
http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/964/1027fu.jpg
Arnold is everything I want to be, but I think he has too much of a macho personality.

He can be obnoxious at times, and I think some of his behavior is unprofessional for a governor or political figure.

ReadOnly

10-30-2009, 07:58 AM

Arnold is everything I want to be, but I think he has too much of a macho personality.

He was my first love back in the kindergarden/school.
http://actionflickchick.com/superaction/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/1209034501_3.jpg

I figure this makes Arnie look cool and was leaked by his office. Arnie knows what we want!

Aren't those documents in public access anyway? Although, office could have pointed someone in the right direction about first letters.

Ironside

10-30-2009, 08:25 AM

I wouldn't be surprised if thats the letter all the rejected bills get. :)

thefly

10-31-2009, 03:24 AM

One of the two top states in the USA no less. Funny and so sad.

Rider

10-31-2009, 06:20 AM

Thats not an acident. No way it is. Read the letter again, it is set up just for that message.

This. It's pretty obvious if you're looking for it.

wayskobfssae

10-31-2009, 02:06 PM

This. It's pretty obvious if you're looking for it.

You can find anything if you're looking hard enough for it.... even if it isn't there.

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One of the two top states in the USA no less. Funny and so sad.

California is like a parasite on the rest of the country.

Duke's New Chainsaw

10-31-2009, 04:20 PM

Son, you need to learn about politics.

Yatta

10-31-2009, 07:22 PM

California is like a parasite on the rest of the country.
Sure. A parasite that accounts for 15% of my country's economy. :p

Hyperactive Slob

10-31-2009, 08:13 PM

Or the act that if it were a country it would have the 8th highest GDP right next to Italy. Of course if it's budget was managed properly.

wayskobfssae

10-31-2009, 10:02 PM

Sure. A parasite that accounts for 15% of my country's economy. :p

If the whole country actually benefited from that, then fine. :p

Yatta

11-01-2009, 12:38 AM

If the whole country actually benefited from that, then fine. :p
Well, the federal government gets loads of Californian tax dollars, so yes. Also, the San Francisco tech sector, Hollywood, and the Californian agricultural farmland are some examples of benefits that the state brings to the entire nation. :)

Or the act that if it were a country it would have the 8th highest GDP right next to Italy. Of course if it's budget was managed properly.
I agree. The budget is managed like ass, and I personally would not have voted for Arnold (even though I like him as an actor) for governor. But I would also argue that local, state, and federal governments as a whole have bureaucratic faults when it comes to budgets or anything political.

Rider

11-01-2009, 07:25 AM

You can find anything if you're looking hard enough for it.... even if it isn't there.

But it is there, so that kind of kills your argument.

Pansa

11-01-2009, 08:44 AM

But it is there, so that kind of kills your argument.
depends on the definition of IT. he wasn't refering to "it"= the message but "it" =intend.

Hudson

11-01-2009, 10:48 AM

That's hilarious :D

wayskobfssae

11-01-2009, 11:26 AM

depends on the definition of IT. he wasn't refering to "it"= the message but "it" =intend.

Correct. If someone wants something to be so, they're going to find a way to "prove" it, whether or not it's true. This "**** off" message is really no different from the Bible Code. It's just less elaborate.

A man can say, "I am destined by God to shoot that can out there." He then fires 49 shots, and misses every single time. On the 50th shot he finally hits it, starts jumping up and down and says, "See? There's the proof. God wanted me to shoot it!"

Another Duke Fan

11-01-2009, 12:51 PM

Folks, grow up, whether Arnold has composed this phrase on purpose or not may be of interest for the media, but does not matter. What matters is that he cares for his land and people and tried to make a point, which is being stubbornly, superficially and systematically neglected and rejected by the members of the Californian state assembly. All happy, shiny people. Still, I guess. http://www.usccb.org/cchd/povertyusa/map.htm

wayskobfssae

11-01-2009, 03:23 PM

Ironside

11-01-2009, 05:17 PM

You can find anything if you're looking hard enough for it.... even if it isn't there.

Correct. If someone wants something to be so, they're going to find a way to "prove" it, whether or not it's true.

lol,You sound like a really corrupt and evil detective who is on the take. wouldn't that be scary if you were a badge. :)

wayskobfssae

11-01-2009, 06:58 PM

lol,You sound like a really corrupt and evil detective who is on the take. wouldn't that be scary if you were a badge. :)

Well... the media/journalists do this more often than the law does. And when the law does it, it's usually lawyers, not investigators.

Hyperactive Slob

11-01-2009, 10:48 PM

I thought when Gray Davis was governor the budget spending was also out of control. If another candidate couldn't fix that maybe there is something wrong with the government other than the governor.

Yatta

11-01-2009, 11:30 PM

There's always something wrong with government bureaucracy. :)

ZuljinRaynor

11-02-2009, 09:55 AM

Arnold should just go Commando. :cool:

Hyperactive Slob

11-02-2009, 02:59 PM

Congress should change the presidential eligibility clause in the constitution to include naturalized citizens so Arnold can run for presidency. Or me. :p

ReadOnly

11-02-2009, 03:29 PM

Haven't they done that already with Obama?

wayskobfssae

11-02-2009, 05:59 PM

Haven't they done that already with Obama?

Nope, that's just what the opposition wanted everyone to think.

Hyperactive Slob

11-02-2009, 10:10 PM

You know that would have actually affected John Mccain cause he legally isn't a natural born citizen cause he was born in Panama. I don't know how it is exactly enforced. Probably won't change till someone challenges the law. Of course unless they will get voted in office the law wouldn't change.

Ironside

11-02-2009, 10:40 PM

Im certain that it will be Arnie that proceeds Obama in the oval office.

ReadOnly

11-02-2009, 11:21 PM

He's past 60 already.

Yatta

11-02-2009, 11:41 PM

Im certain that it will be Arnie that proceeds Obama in the oval office.
From a legal standpoint, that's unfeasible at the moment unless the presidency requirement for domestic birth has been repealed; however I think that with the consideration of the American view on foreigners or immigrants in a post-9/11 United States, amending the constitution (with a 2/3 pass!) will be a nearly impossible undertaking for Arnold, who, as ReadOnly pointed out, might be too old IF there ever is a presidency reform (and that's a big IF!).

Hyperactive Slob

11-02-2009, 11:54 PM

John McCain the thing about that is however not being a domestic birth but being a citizen from the day you were born is the thing. For example as I said John McCain isn't a domestic born citizen but he ran for presidency. The thing Arnold has against him is the fact that he became a US citizen at the age of 35.

Yatta

11-03-2009, 12:05 AM

McCain was born inside a U.S. territory. ;) The Coco Solo Naval Air Station is as domestic as Hawaii and Alaska are.

Arnold was not!

Hyperactive Slob

11-03-2009, 12:31 AM

McCain was born inside a U.S. territory. The Coco Solo Naval Air Station is as domestic as Hawaii and Alaska are.
Not exactly if he was born in the military base yes it would have been natural but according to his birth certificate he was born in the Panamanian city of Colon.
The city of Colon was outside the US administered Canal Zone and remained Panamanian territory throughout the existence of the Panama Canal Zone.[40][41][42][43] A brief birth announcement in The Panama American stated that the birth had taken place at "the Submarine Base Hospital." [44][45] The former unincorporated territory Panama Canal Zone and its military facilities were not regarded as United States territory.
Although wiki isn't that credible it is cited.

Yatta

11-03-2009, 12:37 AM

Well, the legislature clearly treated it as U.S. territory or McCain simply would not have been an eligible candidate.

BTW, in case I'm wrong about the base being considered domestic, it was still treated as U.S. territory to the same extent that American embassies in foreign countries are permissible grounds for being born into as a U.S. citizen.

Hyperactive Slob

11-03-2009, 12:57 AM

Too bad I can't run for president. :(

Yatta

11-03-2009, 01:25 AM

Neither can I, under the current law.

I even have an American passport. Grrr.

John

11-03-2009, 12:17 PM

Haven't they done that already with Obama?

:confused: No. Hawaii is clearly apart of the United States.

ReadOnly

11-03-2009, 12:34 PM

I thought he was born in Kenya, no? :confused:

ZuljinRaynor

11-03-2009, 12:36 PM

Oh dear. :doh:

John

11-03-2009, 12:47 PM

I thought he was born in Kenya, no? :confused:

No. His father was born in Kenya. He was born in Hawaii.

ReadOnly

11-03-2009, 01:05 PM

Oh... Clearly, I should have added :rolleyes: to every post. :rolleyes:

Anyway, about the topic.
http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/254016/november-02-2009/alpha-dog-of-the-week---arnold-schwarzenegger

John

11-03-2009, 01:15 PM

Oh... Clearly, I should have added :rolleyes: to every post. :rolleyes:

Clearly. Misinformation aside, it's rather hard to decipher the sarcasm when people have different political views. I've spoken to enough people who are dead serious about Obama being a foreign muslim, slowly turning us all into terrorists. :p

Kristian Joensen

11-06-2009, 06:20 PM

Neither can I, under the current law.

I even have an American passport. Grrr.

Why can't you? Haven't you been a US citizen from birth?

Hyperactive Slob

11-07-2009, 05:21 AM

I was US citizen from birth but I still can't run for president and I presume Yatta has the same problem.

Kristian Joensen

11-07-2009, 08:32 AM

Are you sure about that? As I understand it the constitution only limits does that have been naturalized from running for the presidency.

John

11-11-2009, 11:23 AM

Yatta wasn't born in the USA.

Kristian Joensen

11-12-2009, 06:57 AM

But are you sure that is how the restriction works? As I understand it, so long as you have been a US citizen from birth then that is fine, no matter where you were actually born.

superevilcube

11-12-2009, 07:43 AM

The US constitution calls for a natural born citizen, so I guess it depends on how that's been interpreted. I remember hearing that you have to be a US citizen born on US soil (or in a US military base or something).

John

11-12-2009, 11:15 AM

Yes, you must be a natural born US citizen. "Where" you're born depends on whether it is on american soil or not.

IceColdDuke

11-18-2009, 10:19 AM

Yeah, I considered that, but consider this. If it was intentional, do you think they'd ever admit it?

Joe if you lived in California you would know the leglislater is full of a bunch of "F**ktards", and the entire leglislative branch is a "Cluster F**K", I doubt they would be smart enough to find that. :)