next gen consoles

[dukeonly]

http://seekingalpha.com/article/95494-what-s-in-store-in-the-next-generation-consoles

http://gamer.blorge.com/2008/09/21/will-microsoft-phoenix-rise-from-xbox-ashes-to-topple-ps4-wii-2/


microsoft is working on one apparently code named pheonix. Don't know if it will only be 50 bits higher or a whole 256 bits higher? who knows


but the question is, are we really getting the most out of what we have now? I personally, have seen an old superman pre multiplayer map for an online fps, that is much larger than any i've seen recently.


now maybe there isn't demand for this. But the next generation of consoles will be able to push limits we haven't understood yet. As advanced as games are today, they are quite expensive to make.

with the way business works, are we really going to be able to afford to pay people what they need to be paid to design next generation games? And will the market appreciate them? I know I will, and I'm sure so will others. I guess the truth is, this is very possible and probable and definate at that.


but the next generation is going to be much more advanced, games might as well be playable movies in the next 10 or 20 years. This will surely seperate side scrollers from other games. So in the next generation, there will probably be different names for game that aren't side scrollers and ones that are. After all, you don't call a movie a game, and you don't call a game a movie. So games in next game might even be called 'playable cinema.'

I'm expect some really cool crap. But honest I'm so saddened by the gaming industry as it is, the amount of effort that goes into entertainment is ridiculous, not that I don't appreciate it. I do very much. But that for how much work people put into things, the companies only appreciate the billion dollar symbol.


and that crap is so sad. You can honestly turn anything into money. You could turn bottle cap sales into billion dollar competition, corporate screw offs, etc.


so as with indy films, will there one day be indy games? There sort of are already, but as we know a movie can cost $100,000,000 to make or only $10,000. But games are quite expensive to make. Maybe some aren't as difficult as others, and therefore shouldn't be, but it's still an evident truth.


What will we see in 20 years? Will there be some insane technology that will remain in government hands that will take years to turn into gaming technology?


Computers will one day hold the capicity of the brain, they already do. They may not function as quickly, or smoothly, but it's scary, to think of judgement day the machines become aware etc. etc.


wow, I sure do go on, huh? just have a lot to say

[WarThrash]

As long as we don't see new consoles until say 2012, I'll be cool. I'm not ready for new ones at the moment, the 360 and PS3 are doing pretty well and don't need to be replaced just yet. There's still a great bit of energy left in them

[Paroxysm]

microsoft is working on one apparently code named pheonix. Don't know if it will only be 50 bits higher or a whole 256 bits higher? who knows

Don't talk about subjects that you obviously have absolutely zero understanding of. It is infuriating.


wow, I sure do go on, huh? just have a lot to say

But is any of it worth saying?

[ZuljinRaynor]

Judgement day is inevitable.

[Xgthug]

next gen consoles

See, this thread... It had potential... But then...

"You f*ck it all up! You waste ALL my film!"

[Sang]

microsoft is working on one apparently code named pheonix. Don't know if it will only be 50 bits higher or a whole 256 bits higher?

Neither. It will be 64-bit probably (you know, like nintendo 64 :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:)

But the next generation of consoles will be able to push limits we haven't understood yet.

Just because you don't understand it you don't have to reflect this on everyone else ;)

so as with indy films, will there one day be indy games? There sort of are already

There "sort of" are? Dude, there are DOZENS of Indiana Jones games. No, not all of them have been made in the 2000's. Maybe that doesn't make them real games? ;)

Computers will one day hold the capicity of the brain, they already do.

No, not really.

[The Dukenator]

Computers will one day hold the capicity of the brain, they already do. They may not function as quickly, or smoothly, but it's scary, to think of judgement day the machines become aware etc. etc.

The only way to do that is they remove your brain and add it to a machine.
You've been watching too many Terminator movies.

wow, I sure do go on, huh? just have a lot to say
How about a cup of STFU instead?

[WarThrash]

there "sort of" are? Dude, there are dozens of indiana jones games. No, not all of them have been made in the 2000's. Maybe that doesn't make them real games? ;)

flucking win! :D

I love all the negativity in this thread. The guy didn't do a thing to anyone, yet he still gets flamed. Awesome.

[superevilcube]

I hope there aren't any next generation consoles for a couple of years, since I think the current generation is fine. Graphics are still top-notch and they're introducing things like 3D and the motion controls.

The Xbox 360 is technically due for it's next generation. The Xbox came out in '01, the 360 in '05. So we had a four year turn around there, and we're already hitting five years. It took five more years for the Wii and six more for the PS3, so they're still fine.

[NutWrench]

http://seekingalpha.com/article/95494-what-s-in-store-in-the-next-generation-consoles

http://gamer.blorge.com/2008/09/21/will-microsoft-phoenix-rise-from-xbox-ashes-to-topple-ps4-wii-2/


microsoft is working on one apparently code named pheonix. Don't know if it will only be 50 bits higher or a whole 256 bits higher? who knows

Since the consoles are made in China, they will probably use cheap, low-quality electrons, so the extra bits won't matter.

[Xgthug]

Aha! You've all been trolled! Dukeonly is actually me in disguise. FOOLED YOU, LOL! You have to admit though, I really outdid myself with this thread. A work of art, really.

No, not really... But I gaurentee that someone else has to be up to this.

[Betelgeuse]

/head explodes

[ZuljinRaynor]

I love all the negativity in this thread. The guy didn't do a thing to anyone, yet he still gets flamed. Awesome.

That's cause, click his profile, go to statistics, and click either view posts or view threads.

[alpha400]

That's cause, click his profile, go to statistics, and click either view posts or view threads.

yeah and whats wrong with it? please explain why all of you are trolling this guy.
seems to me like there are a lot of wannabefunny guys in here..:doh:

@dukeonly:

the major problem with this gen of consoles is that they try to
be allround media centers, more than just being gaming consoles...
Peraps we wait to see how the 3D capability works out..
this is showing more potential to me than just more polygons and
higher resolutions... graphics are freaking awesome as they are right now,
theres no need to make them better and make development more expensive...

[ZuljinRaynor]

Because he's trolling all of us.

[WarThrash]

Actually I didn't see much wrong with his post history either. I may be missing the actual context of the posts though, so I can't comment

[Sang]

Well shortly put the general consensus here at the forums is - sadly - that he doesn't appear to be the sharpest tool in the shed.

[dukeonly]

flucking win! :D

I love all the negativity in this thread. The guy didn't do a thing to anyone, yet he still gets flamed. Awesome.

LMAO. the funny part about this is, I just got temp banned for 'trolling.' And what was I trolling you may ask? My own thread the bioshock art thread. And how did I troll this thread you wonder? By posting pictures of bioshock art. You can only fit 5 pictures in one frame, so I posted many times. Apparently this is 'trolling'


anyway back on topic. I guess what I was trying to say is pretty much in agreement with what everyone else is saying, the consoles now are pretty nice. The one thing about next gen consoles is that obviously just like current, there will be so much competition with the other consoles. 360 is better than wii because it has hd, ps3 is better than 360 because it has 7 graphics processors instead of 3 or something. Etc. The way technology is headed, games are getting pretty hard to make. It's almost taking 'engineering' these days. Like serious engineering. I mean technically it is 'engineering.' But I'm saying engineering the way you'd think of rocket science or brain surgery. Lol. Right now things are getting pretty advanced. I doubt the next console will straight up be 512 processing all at once doubling the 256 bit processing. It will probably be a few steps up.


But really, this will bring so much competition, because how will you make games that are just 'a few bits better' or however you'd say that? So maybe we would wait for a whole 512 bit processing system. The thing is, weigh that out:

you're comparing eventual long time sale loss by waiting so long to release something until it is THAT MUCH better. And by releasing a system that only does 'somewhat' better processing, you are opening yourself up to get slammed with some way better competitive higher quality system


anyway though, the simulations are getting insane. One day this technology will be used WAY more for scientific purposes. Could you imagine a 2048 bit processing system. I'll bet you a lot of money we'll see it in our lives. Geez, one console will be like a super computer. You can game on it, make movies, calculate quantum physics. Lol, maybe we'll be able to buy our own satellites and take pictures of landscape, and then edit it to movement and etc. with some editor, make games that are just lifelike movements of characters.


I'm just saying, it takes a lot to calculate movement technology and motion etc. Whatever they have next, is going to take a lot to really develop into something crazy. The next gen console might be tomorrow or might be 10 years from now, because we have no idea how insane it will be to develop on it. I can't wait. But one day games just like call of duty are going to seem like major pioneering for what they'll have tomorrow. I guess some people already think so. Thanks for reading, still a great thread if you ask me:cool:;)


p.s. remember who started the whole idea of 'exploration' in gaming. Lol, 3d realms episode 2, who knows what 'the moon base' will look like in games 20 years from now. Developing games 30 years from now, might be restricted to nasa or the government or what not. We are about to see a major leap in technology, trust me, if you got 25 years left on life, you'll see what I mean, I said it right here

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Well shortly put the general consensus here at the forums is - sadly - that he doesn't appear to be the sharpest tool in the shed.

i've been notified i'm not actually allowed to reply to these comments anymore, as I would love to:D

I'm supposed to report you, although that isn't nearly as fun, but seriously, you HAVE to have banned at least ONCE for this crap

[Paroxysm]

But really, this will bring so much competition, because how will you make games that are just 'a few bits better' or however you'd say that? So maybe we would wait for a whole 512 bit processing system. The thing is, weigh that out:

Yes I think you should wait until a 512bit system is released. Maybe even stop posting until then so you don't spoil the surprise.

[ZuljinRaynor]

360 is better than wii because it has hd, ps3 is better than 360 because it has 7 graphics processors instead of 3 or something. Etc.

Uh, that's why the PS3 doesn't upscale every game, and when it does it is software and not hardware. Also, every multiplatform game (on 360 and PS3) is better on 360. Is the hardware better on the PS3? Was hyped that way, but it hasn't shown being better.

[Sang]

dukeonly, discard my previous comment.. and I'm not just saying the following because I'm really terrified I might actually get banned, but because.. you should know that everytime I read your posts, (and this is from the bottom of my heart) I just can't get over how much I ******* love you man :love:

You, my good man, are the master in a certain art:love:

[WarThrash]

Also, every multiplatform game (on 360 and PS3) is better on 360.
I find this to be different based on what type of game we are talking about here. You got first person shooters, you got third person action games, third person shooters, etc. I also take into account how the controls play out on each console.

Call of Duty - better on Xbox
Tomb Raider - Better on Playstation
GTA IV - Either
Batman: Arkham Asylum - Better on Playstation
Fallout 3 - Better on Xbox
Resident Evil 5 - Either
The Orange Box - Better on Xbox
Hitman - Better on Playstation

Those are my opinions on some of my games anyways. It's based on how the camera controls, how the shooting is handled, the best control scheme, etc. Generally I think FPSs are better on Xbox and 3rd Person action games are better on Playstation

[ryche]

Neither. It will be 64-bit probably (you know, like nintendo 64 :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:)


I remember when it was called Ultra 64...good o' Killer Instinct and Cruisin' USA arcades..

[Xgthug]

I love dukeonly because he's got a positive can-do attitude, and is generally known as a pretty cool guy!

(he once shared his fries with me)

By the way, this thread is now officially the "Dukeonly Appreciation Thread".
Give'm a hand, guys! :)

[dukeonly]

Yes I think you should wait until a 512bit system is released. Maybe even stop posting until then so you don't spoil the surprise.

you sure got a lot of free time on your hands, huh? you have an interesting opinion. THANKS MAN:D:doh:

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Uh, that's why the PS3 doesn't upscale every game, and when it does it is software and not hardware. Also, every multiplatform game (on 360 and PS3) is better on 360. Is the hardware better on the PS3? Was hyped that way, but it hasn't shown being better.

very true. that would explain a few things. They made it with extra room. We haven't mastered the current status yet. Or maybe we have, so some people say. But agree there is more room. Of course that isn't NECESSARILY going to stop them from coming out with a new system. Which brings me back, what will they release?

and how will it effect the economy with computers. I know most people don't buy computers for games at all. But that doesn't mean current technology will lower it's price because of further demand for higher technology. Of course they can do whatever they want. But whatever

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I love dukeonly because he's got a positive can-do attitude, and is generally known as a pretty cool guy!

(he once shared his fries with me)

By the way, this thread is now officially the "Dukeonly Appreciation Thread".
Give'm a hand, guys! :)

you debo'd all my fries. I didn't say 'take them all' I said 'you can have one.'


but later you showed me duke nukem forever, so it was ok.

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dukeonly, discard my previous comment.. and I'm not just saying the following because I'm really terrified I might actually get banned, but because.. you should know that everytime I read your posts, (and this is from the bottom of my heart) I just can't get over how much I ******* love you man :love:

You, my good man, are the master in a certain art:love:

NIIIIICE. just for the sake of the love, let's release duke nukem forever

[Paroxysm]

How many bits is dukeonly?

[Sang]

Why, 8 bytes of course.

[peoplessi]

This thread makes me head spin, dukeonly obviously doesn't know nothing about what he is talking about! :D Grade AAA+ consult material.

[XPM]

Does a guy really have to KNOW what he's talking about when ASKING about it?

But then again, come on, you idiots wouldn't know the first thing about not knowing something you'd have to ask about....right?..RIGHT?

See, where I come from, people do tend to ask questions, without having a clue.
And people who DO know things, tend to answer them.
Unsecure people on the other hand, make jokes.

=D

Come on, give me the "What the ..." , "lame", "Does sarcasm float your way?"
I can take it boys! Just let me bend over and take it all like you do! =D

[Xgthug]

I don't know what your talking about, I love dukeonly. He's a real team player. A guy's guy.

PS. It's "insecure", not "unsecure".
Unsecure people on the other hand, make jokes.

lol

[Sang]

Does a guy really have to KNOW what he's talking about when ASKING about it?

But then again, come on, you idiots wouldn't know the first thing about not knowing something you'd have to ask about....right?..RIGHT?

See, where I come from, people do tend to ask questions, without having a clue.
And people who DO know things, tend to answer them.
Unsecure people on the other hand, make jokes.

=D

Come on, give me the "What the ..." , "lame", "Does sarcasm float your way?"
I can take it boys! Just let me bend over and take it all like you do! =D

I think you may not have actually been reading his posts. This is not the case of "friendly but ignorant guy asking some questions".. but rather "guy without a clue giving his insane theories and asking other people for their own opinions" or something.

[Kristian Joensen]

""guy without a clue giving his insane theories and asking other people for their own opinions"" IMHO, that is a minor annoyance at worst.

In such cases there seem to be three options:

1. Ignore the posts/threads in question.
2. Gently point out the flaws in said theories(and if the poster ignores the response going back to option 1) above).
3. Play along and give your own opinions.

In this case that would be giving your own opinions about the next console cycle what you expect and/or would like to see from Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft next. Personally I have no idea on what to expect from Nintendo, people are talking about a HD Wii, but I have no idea what that would imply besides HD resolutions. The Wii doesn't even support shaders, something the original Xbox supported, so I wouldn't expect any major graphical advancements. The next console from Nintendo is not likely to be even on par with the Xbox 360 or PS3 graphically, it certainly won't match up with their successors. MS and Sony will probably do something along the following lines:

*Higher clock frequencies, maybe more cores.
*More memory.
*A DX11 capable GPU.
*Integration of Move and Natal respectively.

[WarThrash]

1. Ignore the posts/threads in question.
2. Gently point out the flaws in said theories(and if the poster ignores the response going back to option 1) above).
3. Play along and give your own opinions.


Now that just wouldn't be any fun now would it? ;)

[dukeonly]

ok two things first off:

1. HOW DID I GET BANNED FOR TROLLING? I HAVE NEVER SEEN OTHERR PEOPLE TROLL POSTS EVER THE WAY PEOPLE TROLL MY POSTS. MY GOD IS ADMINISTRATION ON THIS FORUM MESSED UP OR WHAT???!

""guy without a clue giving his insane theories and asking other people for their own opinions"" IMHO, that is a minor annoyance at worst.

In such cases there seem to be three options:

1. Ignore the posts/threads in question.
2. Gently point out the flaws in said theories(and if the poster ignores the response going back to option 1) above).
3. Play along and give your own opinions.

In this case that would be giving your own opinions about the next console cycle what you expect and/or would like to see from Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft next. Personally I have no idea on what to expect from Nintendo, people are talking about a HD Wii, but I have no idea what that would imply besides HD resolutions. The Wii doesn't even support shaders, something the original Xbox supported, so I wouldn't expect any major graphical advancements. The next console from Nintendo is not likely to be even on par with the Xbox 360 or PS3 graphically, it certainly won't match up with their successors. MS and Sony will probably do something along the following lines:

*Higher clock frequencies, maybe more cores.
*More memory.
*A DX11 capable GPU.
*Integration of Move and Natal respectively.

And two:

2. how am I being an idiot? The above quote points out some things I was saying, and maybe doesn't clarify some other things I was saying.

one, it is true, it was probably only have a few upgrades to the next gen console itself. Why I was saying it's total bit processing might only be maybe 50 or so bits higher, we might not see a straight jump from 256 bit to 512 bit.

but the other thing I'm saying. Next gen consoles isn't just about the next one afterwards, I'm talking about 30 years from now, we're going to have games where YOU PLAY ON GOOGLE EARTH. We're going to see games that have INSANE memory, where you can pick up a leaf and take a microscope and see some insane detail on the leaf. Do you see what I'm talking about? Anyone here well under the age of 50, might very well live to see some INSANE games. They are just now taking consoles to a level, where you can see pretty good details, photo realism, when we have that down, we'll move on to basically games that are worlds that you play.


final fantasy 3 might have been a major milestone in this for it's age. You could fly around that entire world in the flying ship. But there was really like NO DETAIL compared to what you're getting now. Imagine games 60 years from now. I mean WOW


but anyway, yeah, first we need directx 11, that'll be a nice step. And face it, within the next 5 years they will NEED to come out with new consoles, when computer games start stomping the market, of course this isn't yet happening. But I'm just SAYING.


now the cut and dry is better than the fantasy land. I want to know as well what technology can run these things, but until then let's just call the next one what it will be, and the one after that. And we can make a list as these things progress as long as we're still here.


you know, in 1960, someone could have said 'hey, one day there will be 8 bit nes, sounds crazy, huh?' and of course that wasn't going to stop them from having the best time they could at the time with what people did at that time. I'm not saying live in the future, because screw that I live in the present. But I AM saying that next gen will be insane. after more graphic cores, stronger cpu, and directx11 of course.


and I am saying, people will probably wait, companies will wait, because you see how one corporation falls behind when they release a console first, and it doesn't match up. How was it with this generation again? wii first? then 360? then ps3? right? that would be the technological order.


so anyway next gen might not be out until, who knows, maybe the first one will come out 2013? then another 2014, then another 2015? or maybe next year? I don't know, only the companies do. It'll be a CRAZY system, because games are already pretty crazy you know.

[ZuljinRaynor]

Research some more before asking questions.

[dukeonly]

Research some more before asking questions.

i'm sorry, do you know something I don't? I posted two links at the beginning of this post. Microsoft is working on something called phoenix, and most console producers are making good sales already on what we have, plus they are still selling ps2's. I DID SOME RESEARCH, add something useful please instead of just that.


also, did I hear right before? ps3 doesn't support a lot of ps2 games, right? that sucks completely, although even know I think they had to modify the ps3 because it was overheating, it had several laser readers before i think, now it just has blue ray and one other. Of course I could have heard this wrong. But it'd be nice to see a console that does support all games. wii you can download old games. and 360 supports most xbox games. but that is another thing they have to think out, compatibility and sales. Unfortunate that the eve of the dawn of technology is produced based on corporate upcomings. But this is how this is, the artists and game developers will all get their shot. Just stay with it, I say the same to 3d realms. Good luck

[Kristian Joensen]

"Why I was saying it's total bit processing might only be maybe 50 or so bits higher, we might not see a straight jump from 256 bit to 512 bit"

What the heck are you talking about here? 256 bit WHAT?

[Phayzon]

256 bit gaming, man :cool:

Seriously though, I've had no clue what he's talking about either... :o

[Pansa]

Does a guy really have to KNOW what he's talking about when ASKING about it?

See, where I come from, people do tend to ask questions, without having a clue.
And people who DO know things, tend to answer them.
Unsecure people on the other hand, make jokes.

=D

Well technicly "yes" but practicly to actually ask a !meaningfull! question, a certain amount of knowledge is mandatory.

And it's hard to give a meaningfull answer to a meaningless question.

Dukeonly posts threads that read like:

"Hey , who has the better car? I think the best are those where you put the gas into a portable tank"

or
"Here is a music video of my favorite band [link]"
but it's an interview, and the band has no videos online. Nor cd's out.

[Sang]

What the heck are you talking about here? 256 bit WHAT?

You are starting to understand the main reason why some don't consider his posts worthy of debating. :p


(yeah you could ignore them but no fun in that, as pointed out)

[Hudson]

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/1802/true0203.jpg

[ZuljinRaynor]

DO THE MATH!!! :cool:

[Paroxysm]

2. how am I being an idiot? The above quote points out some things I was saying, and maybe doesn't clarify some other things I was saying.

one, it is true, it was probably only have a few upgrades to the next gen console itself. Why I was saying it's total bit processing might only be maybe 50 or so bits higher, we might not see a straight jump from 256 bit to 512 bit.

Instead of simply insulting you I'll be friendly and point out why everyone is gawking at you. 256bit processing doesn't exist. I know you think it's like the old days where ever generation they made a big deal out of how they have "doubled the bits" but that hasn't been true for a long time and referring to the "bits" of a system is an almost entirely meaningless exercise.

It's a little like saying that you're hoping next years new cars have 6 wheels.

[WarThrash]

I want one of them Jaguars :cool:

[Paroxysm]

Ever since that angry videogame nerd episode with the Jaguar's cd unit I can't help but see it as a toilet.

[ZuljinRaynor]

Let's play some JAG!

[WarThrash]

Ever since that angry videogame nerd episode with the Jaguar's cd unit I can't help but see it as a toilet.
uh...where can I see this video?

[Paroxysm]

Angry Video Game Nerd: Atari Jaguar Part I (http://www.gametrailers.com/video/angry-video-screwattack/46723)

[dukeonly]

well, first, I'd like to thank everyone for trolling the hell out of this thread.

Instead of simply insulting you I'll be friendly and point out why everyone is gawking at you. 256bit processing doesn't exist. I know you think it's like the old days where ever generation they made a big deal out of how they have "doubled the bits" but that hasn't been true for a long time and referring to the "bits" of a system is an almost entirely meaningless exercise.

It's a little like saying that you're hoping next years new cars have 6 wheels.

ok second, why do they call nes 8 bit, snes 16 bit? playstation 32 bit? n64 64 bit? ps2 128 bit? so then what do they call ps3? not 256?

and yeah, a computer can have a terabyte drive, 8 gigs ram, 512 megabyte video card. 3.4 ghz processor. So why then, if the nes processed a few hundred megabytes, which was PRETTY SMALL for it's time, did they call it an 8 bit system?

but please, since you know everything, and my treads are so pointless, please explain it to me.


and I still stick with what I'm saying, the next gen console will be expected to basically be a computer, although most consoles these days are already called 'do everything computers.' I'm saying the next one might very well just come with a seperate wireless keyboard. I mean it's going to have a TON of memory. And yes, at this time, for the price of super computers that can only do SOMEWHAT better than the computers from a few years back, it might just be awhile until the next gen consoles come out. or what will one be, like $700 for a console when they first come out? I guarantee the first next gen console is going to start with a massive price, maybe not that high, but high, and who knows, we might not see the next one til 2014, or maybe we'll see a demo for it at e3 already. Who knows. Where is duke nukem to answer all our questions. I demand john st john appear!

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Instead of simply insulting you I'll be friendly and point out why everyone is gawking at you. 256bit processing doesn't exist. I know you think it's like the old days where ever generation they made a big deal out of how they have "doubled the bits" but that hasn't been true for a long time and referring to the "bits" of a system is an almost entirely meaningless exercise.

It's a little like saying that you're hoping next years new cars have 6 wheels.

ok here are two articles that explain this a bit better. 32 bit bus can handle only 4 gigs ram. 64 bit bus can handle 8. Now this is on a computer, consoles process this a little differently. But not too differently, just the software and hardware is mostly geared towards running a game. I'm sure you could create some program to run windows on a ps3 hard drive if you had some crazy engineers. But let me not put my foot in my mouth.

These articles get a little more into bit bus processing. Not too heavy, but I don't have time to look all over the web really, and technically the second link isn't an article it's a discussion:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_API
http://forums.amd.com/game/messageview.cfm?catid=279&threadid=131056

[Phayzon]

ok second, why do they call nes 8 bit, snes 16 bit? playstation 32 bit? n64 64 bit? ps2 128 bit? so then what do they call ps3? not 256?

The NES only had an 8-bit CPU, so we simply call it an 8-bit console. Repeat explanation for SNES, PS1 and N64. The PS2, GameCube, Xbox, PS3, Wii, Xbox 360 and modern day PCs are still 64-bit. There are no 128-bit CPUs in any mainstream product, and there probably won't be for many, many years to come.

EDIT:32 bit bus can handle only 4 gigs ram. 64 bit bus can handle 8.

A 64-bit system can address several terabytes of RAM

[dukeonly]

The NES only had an 8-bit CPU, so we simply call it an 8-bit console. Repeat explanation for SNES, PS1 and N64. The PS2, GameCube, Xbox, PS3, Wii, Xbox 360 and modern day PCs are still 64-bit. There are no 128-bit CPUs in any mainstream product, and there probably won't be for many, many years to come.

wow I feel fairly stupid. Lol. But is the next gen console still basically the equivalent of double the memory? Or have we gone way past just 'double'?


I'm guessing the new systems, are probably more advanced then we know? and will probably be the heart of current gen consoles for years to come? Maybe we still haven't developed the most massive game we can on them. Or maybe we have. What do you think? Still more room for improvement? Or we're heading into next generation soon?

oh well, what can you do? I messed that up

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The NES only had an 8-bit CPU, so we simply call it an 8-bit console. Repeat explanation for SNES, PS1 and N64. The PS2, GameCube, Xbox, PS3, Wii, Xbox 360 and modern day PCs are still 64-bit. There are no 128-bit CPUs in any mainstream product, and there probably won't be for many, many years to come.

EDIT:

A 64-bit system can address several terabytes of RAM

A 64-bit system can address several terabytes of RAM?


i thought we didn't have above 16 gigs ram?

more then 50% of currently used computers, if you don't count business, still only use under 4 gigs of ram, even though they've made way better systems. Simply because for a home user who wants to access movies and read email, they don't need above that, and don't want to pay over $700 for a computer with better specifications when they don't need that much memory for anything they are doing.


as far as basic video watching, email reading, a computer with 2 gigs ram and decent cpu needs no improvements. Now for downloading, transfering data, uploading, server type stuff, obviously you need better. Because nothing they have is THAT fast for any system or user migration, or whatnot. no vm or anything with the most terabyte memory possible will be that fast for uploading and transferring data. No backup or os installation is fast enough to be called really EFFICIENT. customers who take their computers into computer shops still usually have to wait a good time to get their things fixed, unless it's just reinstalling outlook express or something and uploading pst files or .wab files.

anyway, back to gaming. Yeah, don't know.

[Phayzon]

A 64-bit system can address several terabytes of RAM?


i thought we didn't have above 16 gigs ram?

more then 50% of currently used computers, if you don't count business, still only use under 4 gigs of ram, even though they've made way better systems.

Just because no one uses it doesnt mean the system cant do it ;)

While it's true that you'll need a serious server motherboard and some expensive high capacity RAM to get more than 16 or so gigs, the CPU architecture itself could indeed recognize 200 TB of RAM if by some miracle you had that much physical RAM in a system.

[peoplessi]

That bitness thing has already been addressed, but the first post was so badly structered it was impossible to tell whether it was a question or not, or just a bunch of "I guess it's like this".

All of the big three are already working on their next-gen consoles as we speak. The work beings years and years before we see or hear about them. It's pretty normal. The stuff they do is basic R&D and the product changes a lot until it gets to production.

Nobody really knows where the consoles are heading, or even when the next generation will come. The consoles are getting more and more complex and designing them in fast cycles doesn't really help. Wii's success also might put some heads spinning, a lot of industry big guns were wrong about Wii - including Scott Miller from 3D Realms.

A big step would be to move away from polygon rendering - if we had enough horsepower to do so. This would largely eliminate the need to bake high-poly models to low-poly versions. Would instantly increase the level of fidelity in games and most importantly save a lot of time. Artists could churn up their models in ZBrush/mudbox/3DCoat without the extra steps needed to bake them to low-poly versions. If not next-gen, the generation after that will face some big questions to answer. Tim Sweeney (Epic): The End of The GPU Roadmap (.pdf 1.71MB) (http://graphics.cs.williams.edu/archive/SweeneyHPG2009/TimHPG2009.pdf)

What is sure of the next-gen is, that they will still have discrete GPU's, they will have multicore-processing. We've seen to approaches to that multicore processing in this generation - and both seem to be head to head. PS3 being more complex to program for. Xbox 360 having more advanced GPU. Epic most probably is a big influence on how MS will move about with their next-gen console, Unreal Engine 3 is the most widely used engine in this generation both PC and consoles. The close relationship those two companies have can be a deciding factor in some key areas.

There are only 2 viable options for GPU provider - AMD and nVidia. AMD has more experience in designing GPUs for consoles. nVidia was called bit late to game for PS3 - when it was noticed that Cell couldn't handle the visuals(1 Cell for general processing, 1 Cell for visuals processing).

Even more interesting is to see how will the delivery methods change. Both Sony and MS have backed online delivery - but going online-delivery only might be still too early. So most likely Blu-ray drives in both, except for Nintendo who will use cartridges again ;)

[dukeonly]

That bitness thing has already been addressed, but the first post was so badly structered it was impossible to tell whether it was a question or not, or just a bunch of "I guess it's like this".

All of the big three are already working on their next-gen consoles as we speak. The work beings years and years before we see or hear about them. It's pretty normal. The stuff they do is basic R&D and the product changes a lot until it gets to production.

Nobody really knows where the consoles are heading, or even when the next generation will come. The consoles are getting more and more complex and designing them in fast cycles doesn't really help. Wii's success also might put some heads spinning, a lot of industry big guns were wrong about Wii - including Scott Miller from 3D Realms.

A big step would be to move away from polygon rendering - if we had enough horsepower to do so. This would largely eliminate the need to bake high-poly models to low-poly versions. Would instantly increase the level of fidelity in games and most importantly save a lot of time. Artists could churn up their models in ZBrush/mudbox/3DCoat without the extra steps needed to bake them to low-poly versions. If not next-gen, the generation after that will face some big questions to answer. Tim Sweeney (Epic): The End of The GPU Roadmap (.pdf 1.71MB) (http://graphics.cs.williams.edu/archive/SweeneyHPG2009/TimHPG2009.pdf)

What is sure of the next-gen is, that they will still have discrete GPU's, they will have multicore-processing. We've seen to approaches to that multicore processing in this generation - and both seem to be head to head. PS3 being more complex to program for. Xbox 360 having more advanced GPU. Epic most probably is a big influence on how MS will move about with their next-gen console, Unreal Engine 3 is the most widely used engine in this generation both PC and consoles. The close relationship those two companies have can be a deciding factor in some key areas.

There are only 2 viable options for GPU provider - AMD and nVidia. AMD has more experience in designing GPUs for consoles. nVidia was called bit late to game for PS3 - when it was noticed that Cell couldn't handle the visuals(1 Cell for general processing, 1 Cell for visuals processing).

Even more interesting is to see how will the delivery methods change. Both Sony and MS have backed online delivery - but going online-delivery only might be still too early. So most likely Blu-ray drives in both, except for Nintendo who will use cartridges again ;)

ok that's some good stuff right there, way better than just

'this thread sucks dude'


now I noticed in that last paragraph you said going online. Are you referring to the concept of 'cloud' delivery? being that your 'nintendo' would never go bad? It would be backed up somewhere, and you basically just buy something that makes it work on your screen, or an actual screen and controller itself? Is this worth the expense? It sure works for servers, but that is quite a necessity compared to game consoles. Thanks

[peoplessi]

I meant more like the content delivery would be all digital. There are companies pursuing the cloud computing route like OnLive.

[dukeonly]

I meant more like the content delivery would be all digital. There are companies pursuing the cloud computing route like OnLive.

think OnLive will go anywhere?


I don't know, I just read some long article about how movies and games shouldn't be related at all. But I'm really hoping in the future, technology will allow us to have games that are basically 'playable movies' so to speak. but who knows how long this will take to catch on.

maybe goldeneye 007 was probably one of the only games where to me the game AND movie were at best both DESCENT. Not that there haven't been games made off good movies, and good games made into movies, but that to me the two never match up. Now, I guess alan wake changes that if you like bright falls.


but let me not take away from the topic too much. Thanks for the info on technology, that is the platform that will drive this game market anyway. I still suspect that by 2020, the world of gaming is going to be soo different. Thanks

[Paroxysm]

maybe goldeneye 007 was probably one of the only games where to me the game AND movie were at best both DESCENT.

http://www.file-extensions.org/imgs/app-picture/2813/descent-2.jpg

[Xgthug]

Research some more before asking questions.

But posting ignorant threads for discussion is so much cooler than being informative.

F*ck yeah. :cool:

[dukeonly]

But posting ignorant threads for discussion is so much cooler than being informative.

F*ck yeah. :cool:

isn't it supposed to be 'research some more before giving knowledge?'

i thought asking questions was supposed to be how you learned things? isn't this an actual discussion forum?

[ZuljinRaynor]

You're asking questions that if you took your time you could figure out. People don't like to read large posts with annoying formatting.

[WarThrash]

isn't it supposed to be 'research some more before giving knowledge?'

i thought asking questions was supposed to be how you learned things? isn't this an actual discussion forum?

Well your sort of right but there is such a thing as google and wikipedia so that you don't have to ask so many questions. And don't give me that "Wikipedia isn't a reliable source" stuff because I'm pretty sure it's as reliable on some users on a 3D realms forum.

[dukeonly]

http://seekingalpha.com/article/95494-what-s-in-store-in-the-next-generation-consoles

http://gamer.blorge.com/2008/09/21/will-microsoft-phoenix-rise-from-xbox-ashes-to-topple-ps4-wii-2/


microsoft is working on one apparently code named pheonix. Don't know if it will only be 50 bits higher or a whole 256 bits higher? who knows


but the question is, are we really getting the most out of what we have now? I personally, have seen an old superman pre multiplayer map for an online fps, that is much larger than any i've seen recently.


now maybe there isn't demand for this. But the next generation of consoles will be able to push limits we haven't understood yet. As advanced as games are today, they are quite expensive to make.

with the way business works, are we really going to be able to afford to pay people what they need to be paid to design next generation games? And will the market appreciate them? I know I will, and I'm sure so will others. I guess the truth is, this is very possible and probable and definate at that.


but the next generation is going to be much more advanced, games might as well be playable movies in the next 10 or 20 years. This will surely seperate side scrollers from other games. So in the next generation, there will probably be different names for game that aren't side scrollers and ones that are. After all, you don't call a movie a game, and you don't call a game a movie. So games in next game might even be called 'playable cinema.'

I'm expect some really cool crap. But honest I'm so saddened by the gaming industry as it is, the amount of effort that goes into entertainment is ridiculous, not that I don't appreciate it. I do very much. But that for how much work people put into things, the companies only appreciate the billion dollar symbol.


and that crap is so sad. You can honestly turn anything into money. You could turn bottle cap sales into billion dollar competition, corporate screw offs, etc.


so as with indy films, will there one day be indy games? There sort of are already, but as we know a movie can cost $100,000,000 to make or only $10,000. But games are quite expensive to make. Maybe some aren't as difficult as others, and therefore shouldn't be, but it's still an evident truth.


What will we see in 20 years? Will there be some insane technology that will remain in government hands that will take years to turn into gaming technology?


Computers will one day hold the capicity of the brain, they already do. They may not function as quickly, or smoothly, but it's scary, to think of judgement day the machines become aware etc. etc.


wow, I sure do go on, huh? just have a lot to say


yeah i guess the whole few hundred bits higher part was pretty stupid. oh well I'm saying though if it doesn't double the memory how useful will it be? I guess the cpu only does so much at this point? so they'll still have to double the ram, hard drive capacity, and definately graphics capacity. I'm sure directx11 is only a step up. probably going to have to beat that, but I'm not sure of course. repeat, I'M NOT SURE OF COURSE. lol


so cpu's still haven't surpassed 64 bit? well, if they had we'd hear about higher than 64 bit operating systems. but if a 64 bit cpu can handle a terabyte of ram, there have to be a lot of possibilities. I'm having a pretty hard time with that one though. oh well, i guess that wraps it up:cool:
oh well I tried, until next time................


this is what I really wanted to stress "now maybe there isn't demand for this. But the next generation of consoles will be able to push limits we haven't understood yet. As advanced as games are today, they are quite expensive to make." hopefully everyone understands that

[Sang]

You will need to be more specific: "limits we haven't understood yet"... The limits we have today, people who are working on that understand them perfectly. Computing isn't some kind of mystical force, it was invented by humans, so there are humans that understand the limits.

Yes, games are expensive to make, this is not news.

[NutWrench]

The whole point of consoles is that we know exactly what their limits are because they all contain the same hardware. That is a blessing for developers who now know exactly what their CPU and texture budgets are and don't have to worry about weird hardware configurations. And it is a curse for us PC users.

I don't like consoles because of what they've done to the PC gamers. We are constantly subjected to crappy console ports of new games based on 3-4 year old hardware because some publisher is too cheap to make a proper PC version.

[Hudson]

Has no one here done the math? I mean GOD.

[NutWrench]

I was told there would be no math!

[Paroxysm]

http://www.planetdognine.com/features/humor/files/bfast.jpg

[dukeonly]

http://www.planetdognine.com/features/humor/files/bfast.jpg

ahhh... that's the best yet.


and really, as for pc gaming, sure it's better. But my friend already paid $3000 for a computer just to game on, and already has a ps3. and can basically get the same games on his pc or xbox 360, there is like one game he can't get on either. So honestly to me consoles are better, exept for their limits.

I can still play the classics on my pc like duke 3d medal of honor allied assault and snes roms final fantasy 6, chrono trigger. And I can play 95% of the new stuff on my 360, so it works out fine. wish i could play red faction 1 on my xbox, but oh well sacrifices

economy still sucks



now that joe shot down the duke at e3 idea, wonder what the hell 3d realms is actually doing? I guess they'll be around another 10 years if possible with older game sales. Don't see why not, sure would be nice to see them further in the game


it's funny that they call ram random access memory. don't know why i'm throwing this in there. But obviously the computer has to 'borrow' memory from so many places. After all you can watch a video just fine, you don't need any super type of graphics card, windows 95 will play your dvds.

i guess everything becomes obsolete eventually, like pcs before 2003. But oh well ps3 will probly be around for a good while, and for good reason. They even tone down some games for maximum quality and put them back on ps2 when they've already been released on ps3. Nice thing about the next gen is hopefully they'll do that with a few games for the 360. Don't know if will kill the experience, but if it doesn't, all the better

[Paroxysm]

now that joe shot down the duke at e3 idea, wonder what the hell 3d realms is actually doing?

Really? Maybe this will remind you (http://www.3drealms.com/news/2009/05/goodbye.html)

also

http://www.mrparoxysm.com/storage/misc/forumpics/dukeonly1.jpg

[Sang]

it's funny that they call ram random access memory. don't know why i'm throwing this in there. But obviously the computer has to 'borrow' memory from so many places. After all you can watch a video just fine, you don't need any super type of graphics card, windows 95 will play your dvds.

Okay, take the graphics card out of your PC (also make sure you don't have one that's integrated in your motherboard) and try to watch a DVD.

Actually, try to start up your PC..

You're not seriously claiming you don't need a graphics card to watch movies or even to be able to do anything useful with a PC at all? :o

[XPM]

Well, in his defense he said "Super".

Btw, I was unaware that Windows 95 had a (third party) video player that could play DVD's

[Duke's New Chainsaw]

now that joe shot down the duke at e3 idea, wonder what the hell 3d realms is actually doing? I guess they'll be around another 10 years if possible with older game sales. Don't see why not, sure would be nice to see them further in the game




Dude.

F O C U S

[dukeonly]

Okay, take the graphics card out of your PC (also make sure you don't have one that's integrated in your motherboard) and try to watch a DVD.

Actually, try to start up your PC..

You're not seriously claiming you don't need a graphics card to watch movies or even to be able to do anything useful with a PC at all? :o

don't need one with as much memory as the nvidia 512 mb card. Not NEARLY as much. well under 100 mb would work. When did I say you WOULDN'T need one?

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Well, in his defense he said "Super".

Btw, I was unaware that Windows 95 had a (third party) video player that could play DVD's

it didn't? well, 98 sure did. Thought windows 95 did. And obviously you're not thinking of windows 95 as the os so much, but the computers that ran windows 95 before 98 came out. Or could you really not watch a dvd on a current computer with windows 95 installed on it?

[peoplessi]

don't need one with as much memory as the nvidia 512 mb card. Not NEARLY as much. well under 100 mb would work. When did I say you WOULDN'T need one?

You base this calculation on what facts? ;) Just curious here.

[Sang]

well under 100 mb would work.

If you say so then it must be true.

And obviously you're not thinking of windows 95 as the os so much, but the computers that ran windows 95 before 98 came out.

Sooo windows 95 is something other than an OS now?

[dukeonly]

You base this calculation on what facts? ;) Just curious here.

well if I have a graphics card that can only handle 60 mb of memory, and can watch dvds just fine, and it takes a 512 mb nvidia graphics card to run most modern warfare graphics type games these days. Then that is saying I would need quite a bit under what it takes to run an advanced game to run just a dvd.

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If you say so then it must be true.



Sooo windows 95 is something other than an OS now?

you're saying windows 95 ran on a tape drive like a dos computer? if you're going to shoot down everything I say, then ought to keep a few things intact yourself


of course knowing this and trolling me for fun like you don't is obviously something you understand well;):D;):D

[Sang]

you're saying windows 95 ran on a tape drive like a dos computer?

I take it you know what an OS actually is?

[Pansa]

You base this calculation on what facts? ;) Just curious here.
Well sadly i have to concur with him on that.

Im locked down on an ancient gf2mx 32mb, and it plays dvds fine.

highdef? not so much.

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Sooo windows 95 is something other than an OS now?
Again so sad to fall into your back, but what he did was make an underhanded gesture, to question whether YOU can make the distinction between
win 95 , the OS, and "win 95 the computer aera". Asking you whether your observation of not dvd-ready was based on the unability of that old OS to play them, or provide support for 3rd party player-applications, or YOUR unability to make the distinction between computers not being dvdready during most of 95's lifecycle.


There is enough wrong with his posts, no need to stretch what he says to embelish nescesairy.

[Sang]

I really haven't ever heard/read anyone refer to a "windows 95 computer era". For me, windows 95 was and is nothing more than an OS. So I guess this is the "windows 7 computer era"? :rolleyes:

Anyway thanks for (sortof) clearing that up I guess.

[Pansa]

I really haven't ever heard/read anyone refer to a "windows 95 computer era". For me, windows 95 was and is nothing more than an OS. So I guess this is the "windows 7 computer era"? :rolleyes:

Anyway thanks for (sortof) clearing that up I guess.

There isn't a specific nomicer involved, but a certain "hardware window" is implied when talking about the lifetime of a specific OS.
There is a specific difference between "win 95 couldn't do something" or "when 95 was around computers couldn't do something".

[Sang]

a certain "hardware window" is implied when talking about the lifetime of a specific OS.

First time I heard that. Whatever.

In any case I've did some research (yes, dukeonly, you should try this too) and apparently what you said about graphics card is (miraculously) true.. read multiple things about people getting it work on Win98SE with a graphics card with 16 MB of RAM. So, congratulations, you win the prize :p

[Hudson]

Great, fantastic. Now about next-gen consoles:

Come back in about 6 years.

The end.

[peoplessi]

Well sadly i have to concur with him on that.

Im locked down on an ancient gf2mx 32mb, and it plays dvds fine.

highdef? not so much.

Very much so, but I meant how he got to those numbers? I'm trying to understand the logic behind that argument. So far I haven't been able to find any. Actually the graphic card plays a very minor role in DVD playback. The newer cards of course support hardware level decoding of MPEG2, MPEG4.

Back in the day people had DVD/MPEG2 decoder cards to view DVD's.

All in all this has very little to do with next gen consoles :p

[Pansa]

Very much so, but I meant how he got to those numbers? I'm trying to understand the logic behind that argument. So far I haven't been able to find any. Actually the graphic card plays a very minor role in DVD playback. The newer cards of course support hardware level decoding of MPEG2, MPEG4.

Back in the day people had DVD/MPEG2 decoder cards to view DVD's.

All in all this has very little to do with next gen consoles :p

well i guess he started that train of thought to compare the cost of gaming on a pc to gaming on consoles. Which may have been kicked of by him missreading why parox posted that mock add.

Oh as for "random access memory" why would he find that funny? Just because he doesn't know what atually IS random about it?
"Random" refers to the idea that any piece of data can be returned in a constant time, regardless of its physical location and whether or not it is related to the previous piece of data.

[dukeonly]

Very much so, but I meant how he got to those numbers? I'm trying to understand the logic behind that argument. So far I haven't been able to find any. Actually the graphic card plays a very minor role in DVD playback. The newer cards of course support hardware level decoding of MPEG2, MPEG4.

Back in the day people had DVD/MPEG2 decoder cards to view DVD's.

All in all this has very little to do with next gen consoles :p

very little to do? that's what this technology is funded on, they rose up to the 512 mb graphics cards they have now from the 6mb graphics dvd reader. It takes no memory to run a dvd player codec, because the memory is prerecorded, it takes very little. Now with a game, it's not pre set, the player moves where he moves, and the computer can't 'forsee' what he is going to look at next, so the hard drive 'accesses memory' and to do this combines the cpu, ram, and graphics card. Thus I was saying, that although ram is random access memory, for games the video card is somewhat also 'random access memory' so to speak, because it is randomly accessed. Although this might not be technically described as so, and thus are the chances I will get shot down in any argument, but that this is my perspective of it.

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First time I heard that. Whatever.

In any case I've did some research (yes, dukeonly, you should try this too) and apparently what you said about graphics card is (miraculously) true.. read multiple things about people getting it work on Win98SE with a graphics card with 16 MB of RAM. So, congratulations, you win the prize :p

I'm surpised this thread is still alive? I thought it would have died, so a better way to say that is:

THIS ******* THREAD IS STILL GOING??!? HOLY SHIT!!!

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well i guess he started that train of thought to compare the cost of gaming on a pc to gaming on consoles. Which may have been kicked of by him missreading why parox posted that mock add.

Oh as for "random access memory" why would he find that funny? Just because he doesn't know what atually IS random about it?

ok what wiki posted is correct. But does that not mean the random access memory changes? It is only temporarily stored. The thing in confusion by some people, is whether it's temporarily stored for only seconds, or days and hours at a time. This is the common misconception about random access memory. I'll leave that to you


but one thing is for certain, random access memory is really not written to, there is no reader device, there is no writing device, it is not like a hard drive. It is a little stick you shove in the motherboard. So how it works is obviously of a very impermanent nature, and how it processes is purely in accordance with the hard drive. It has no abilities what so ever without a hard drive, same as everything else on the motherboard. cpu, bios, and have to correspond with the hard drive, and vice versa.

I'm sure we all know this, as one little bios or memory error leads to non functioning BLUE SCREEN OF DEATH. or start up error, or load error. Nothing nice

[Pansa]

i guess somewhere some teacher just had a heartattack.

wow.... just .... wow.

[peoplessi]

It hurts to read that :)

[Sang]

dukeonly, just for that post alone I would advise you to go study IT when you go to college so you can get all that misinformation out of your head... While in bizarroworld it would make sense, what you described is not the way RAM works at all. (that said I'm not a RAM expert myself but I can already tell you that what you just wrote is pure nonsense :p)

[WarThrash]

Let me save this thread:



:dopefish:

[Hudson]

very little to do? that's what this technology is funded on, they rose up to the 512 mb graphics cards they have now from the 6mb graphics dvd reader. It takes no memory to run a dvd player codec, because the memory is prerecorded, it takes very little. Now with a game, it's not pre set, the player moves where he moves, and the computer can't 'forsee' what he is going to look at next, so the hard drive 'accesses memory' and to do this combines the cpu, ram, and graphics card. Thus I was saying, that although ram is random access memory, for games the video card is somewhat also 'random access memory' so to speak, because it is randomly accessed. Although this might not be technically described as so, and thus are the chances I will get shot down in any argument, but that this is my perspective of it.

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I'm surpised this thread is still alive? I thought it would have died, so a better way to say that is:

THIS ******* THREAD IS STILL GOING??!? HOLY SHIT!!!

---------- Post added at 01:30 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:26 PM ----------



ok what wiki posted is correct. But does that not mean the random access memory changes? It is only temporarily stored. The thing in confusion by some people, is whether it's temporarily stored for only seconds, or days and hours at a time. This is the common misconception about random access memory. I'll leave that to you


but one thing is for certain, random access memory is really not written to, there is no reader device, there is no writing device, it is not like a hard drive. It is a little stick you shove in the motherboard. So how it works is obviously of a very impermanent nature, and how it processes is purely in accordance with the hard drive. It has no abilities what so ever without a hard drive, same as everything else on the motherboard. cpu, bios, and have to correspond with the hard drive, and vice versa.

I'm sure we all know this, as one little bios or memory error leads to non functioning BLUE SCREEN OF DEATH. or start up error, or load error. Nothing nice

Worry not, you can find help (http://www.disability.gov/).

[Water12356]

Ok this thead is done.

:lock:

You guys can make another one when there is actual news to be reported and not argue with eachother instead.