Max Payne 3 delayed again?

[Joe Siegler]

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=280887

[Mariamus]

Haha, they can't even botch up a game on schedule! :D

[Nacho]

Maybe they're giving it a total overhaul?

[Damien_Azreal]

Maybe they're giving it a total overhaul?

One can only hope. A complete revamp is about the only thing that would get my interest in this one up.

[nebiatsu]

Hear hear.
I was thinking the same thing.
Major overhaul.
Can only be a good thing though, no matter what is delaying it.

[Rapture_Rising]

Maybe they're giving it a total overhaul?

i hope so... i dont want to play as a fat bald guy. :p

[Nacho]

i hope so... i dont want to play as a fat bald guy. :p

Exactly. I can see how Max would let himself go after everything he went through but that was too much, in my opinion.

[robotman5]

hope it gets released.

[Damien_Azreal]

Exactly. I can see how Max would let himself go after everything he went through but that was too much, in my opinion.

I'm just... this game shouldn't happen at all.
At the end of Max Payne 2 Max had brought everything full circle. He was at peace, he was finally okay with the death of his wife...

Bringing him back now seems almost insulting in a way.

[Mariamus]

Bringing him back now seems almost insulting in a way.

I just want a game with more Vinnie!

[Damien_Azreal]

Poor, poor Vinnie. :(


;)

[ryche]

Maybe they'll ditch the title and char of Max Payne (3) for that game and call it Fat Dude Down South.

[YicklePigeon]

To me, this isn't and will never be Max Payne 3. Sure those new to the series will pick it up, maybe even like it, but give them the first two to play and the first thing that will be uttered is "this isn't Max Payne!" (them having played Max Payne 3 first once its eventually released).

I still have the thought to order a book from Amazon about detective film noir and send it to Rockstar with the following note attached: "HINT!". Just an idea. ;)

Regards,

Yickle!

[Oveneise]

Yeah, I was pretty pissed and heartbroken when I saw that Max Payne 3 looked like a trashy GTA than it did a film noir game. Honestly, I don't care if it ever gets released. In the state that its in right now, its an affront to the Max Payne name.

[fast-1]

Vinnie was in 1 and 2.


Don't click if you not played Max Payne 2.
The one in the :censored: right folks ( no spoiler needed ).

:censored:

[Altered Reality]

I really hope it's getting remade because 2K realized people want Max Payne, not a fat bald hobo.

[dan2091]

Now that Remedy is done with Alan Wake, T2 should aproach Remedy and ask nicely to develope Max Payne 3. I believe, they might be secretly working on AW 2, though.

[nebiatsu]

New info:

http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?story=67444

MP3 may not make it in the 2012 fiscal year !
:O

Hope they are totally re-doing it, in real MP style, and not hanging it out to dry.

[Dunedain]

Remedy should be making this game, they created and wrote everything from the beginning of Max Payne, no on else knows it like them, no one else will do it right.

The story should happen shortly after the events of Max Payne II, while Max is still young, and it should definitely take place in the irreplaceable New York City in that unique gritty Max Payne noir style graphic novel story telling method, which is so great. :)

And also they should make sure the same people from the first 2 games do all the voices for any character that also appears in Max Payne III, and I hope there are several. :)

[Darkman 4]

I'm hoping they completely remake the game as well. It looks more like a generic TPS based on the Brazil levels from Modern Warfare 2 than a real Max Payne game.

[K100]

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/3568/267011593.jpg (http://img145.imageshack.us/i/267011593.jpg/)

http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/9928/267011419.jpg (http://img821.imageshack.us/i/267011419.jpg/)

[dan2091]

could the guy from the 2nd screenshot actually be Max in a flasback? Also, when I saw Max's with the hawaiian t-shirt I was like: "yeah! like in the very first game".

But still, be ashamed of your baldness, Payne, dam*it!

[bulldozer]

I enjoyed playing the GTAs of the era more than the Max Payne games but thats just my opinion.

[Mariamus]

I enjoyed playing the GTAs of the era more than the Max Payne games but thats just my opinion.

GTFO! :ted:

[marioman360]

More Max.
1 (http://gamingeverything.com/wp-content/gallery/max-payne-3/max_payne_3_s-1.jpg) - 2 (http://gamingeverything.com/wp-content/gallery/max-payne-3/max_payne_3_s-2.jpg) - 3 (http://gamingeverything.com/wp-content/gallery/max-payne-3/max_payne_3_s-3.jpg) - 4 (http://gamingeverything.com/wp-content/gallery/max-payne-3/max_payne_3_s-4.jpg) - 5 (http://gamingeverything.com/wp-content/gallery/max-payne-3/max_payne_3_s-5.jpg) - 6 (http://gamingeverything.com/wp-content/gallery/max-payne-3/max_payne_3_s-6.jpg) - 7 (http://gamingeverything.com/wp-content/gallery/max-payne-3/max_payne_3_s-7.jpg) - 8 (http://gamingeverything.com/wp-content/gallery/max-payne-3/max_payne_3_s-8.jpg)

[Damien_Azreal]

I still consider this a slap in the face to the ending of Max Payne 2.

[dan2091]

More Max.
1 (http://gamingeverything.com/wp-content/gallery/max-payne-3/max_payne_3_s-1.jpg) - 2 (http://gamingeverything.com/wp-content/gallery/max-payne-3/max_payne_3_s-2.jpg) - 3 (http://gamingeverything.com/wp-content/gallery/max-payne-3/max_payne_3_s-3.jpg) - 4 (http://gamingeverything.com/wp-content/gallery/max-payne-3/max_payne_3_s-4.jpg) - 5 (http://gamingeverything.com/wp-content/gallery/max-payne-3/max_payne_3_s-5.jpg) - 6 (http://gamingeverything.com/wp-content/gallery/max-payne-3/max_payne_3_s-6.jpg) - 7 (http://gamingeverything.com/wp-content/gallery/max-payne-3/max_payne_3_s-7.jpg) - 8 (http://gamingeverything.com/wp-content/gallery/max-payne-3/max_payne_3_s-8.jpg)

How Awesome is that!!! Not only is James McCaffrey returning to do the voice acting, but is also modeling for Max Payne himself. Great!

marioman, I had trouble entering through the links provided so I'd relink the scans http://gamingeverything.com/?p=2964.

Gotta say, in the third scan, Max/James looks a lot like Charlie Sheen. :s

[Piano Man]

Is there a 9th page to this??? The text on the 8th page seems to finish mid-sentence...

[MegaMustaine]

I still consider this a slap in the face to the ending of Max Payne 2.

How can you say this and seem to be really positive about Prey 2? Max Payne 3 is taking the mechanics and formula of Max Payne and moving it to a different setting. It looks to be Max Payne set in Brazil. Prey 2 seems to have nothing in common with Prey. Prey 2 doesn't share any of the mechanics from the original Prey and even drops the main character yet you have a much more positive outlook for the game when compared to MP3. Why?

[nebiatsu]

OMG.
So, they changed the experience of 'bullet time whenever YOU need it' to 'bullet time QT events'.
Wow.
What a step in the 'right' direction!
And you can carry 3 guns at once?!
Wow, how generous!

Freakin console game now.
:(

[ZuljinRaynor]

How can you say this and seem to be really positive about Prey 2? Max Payne 3 is taking the mechanics and formula of Max Payne and moving it to a different setting. It looks to be Max Payne set in Brazil. Prey 2 seems to have nothing in common with Prey. Prey 2 doesn't share any of the mechanics from the original Prey and even drops the main character yet you have a much more positive outlook for the game when compared to MP3. Why?

Cause Rockstar sucks?

[Duke's New Chainsaw]

How can you say this and seem to be really positive about Prey 2? Max Payne 3 is taking the mechanics and formula of Max Payne and moving it to a different setting. It looks to be Max Payne set in Brazil. Prey 2 seems to have nothing in common with Prey. Prey 2 doesn't share any of the mechanics from the original Prey and even drops the main character yet you have a much more positive outlook for the game when compared to MP3. Why?

While they're not using the character from Prey, they are also not raping him. ;)

[Damien_Azreal]

How can you say this and seem to be really positive about Prey 2? Max Payne 3 is taking the mechanics and formula of Max Payne and moving it to a different setting. It looks to be Max Payne set in Brazil. Prey 2 seems to have nothing in common with Prey. Prey 2 doesn't share any of the mechanics from the original Prey and even drops the main character yet you have a much more positive outlook for the game when compared to MP3. Why?

Well, I do agree with Zulie... Rockstar sucks.
But, continuing Max's story after him being at peace at the end of the second game.... making him an alcoholic and painkiller addict... it's a kick in the nuts to the ending of the second game.


Also, PREY 2 is being made by Human Head... the same guys that made the first game.
Max Payne 3 is being made by the studio that ported the first two games to the consoles. That poorly ported them to the consoles.
So... lets see... Remedy not developing... 3DRealms not producing.... Sam Lake not writing the story, yeah... fail.
So, it's easier to be excited about PREY 2 because the universe is so open and huge and has a ton of possibilities. Max Payne is pretty set, changing that so drastically as they've done (regen health, a cover system, three weapon limit, Max is no longer a cop, left NYC for Brazil... large portions of the game take place in the day...)... it's extremely difficult to swallow just because Rockstar say it's awesome.

Specially since they hold zero credit with me.

[dan2091]

Also, R* Toronto is involved, the guys that ported GTA IV to the PC.

By the way, DA, I thought I read there was no ren health, maybe I'm wrong.

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Up to now, the game sounds good to me. I still hate them for having Max's head shaved (hate that trend) and for not waiting Remedy to do the third one, it sure would have been different.

But by the comments of the enviroments and the attention to the detail, it sounds good. Also, this picture (http://media.rockstarwatch.net/news/4236790581.jpg) gives me hope that they'll give us an explanation to Max's situation. Probably he's an alcoholic not because of his wife or Mona, but maybe because of some problems he had afterwards, who knows??? I don't :p.

[Damien_Azreal]

The last article I read didn't touch on health. But, the original announcement did say the game would use regen health.
As for the picture you list, the game will go from past to present constantly throughout the campaign. Detailing Max's life over the past eight years....
Which, I think it a horrible move. There's no need or reason to jump around chronologically. And given Rockstar's "story telling" skills.... I'm not sure they can even pull it off.


As for Remedy, latest rumors have them gearing up for Alan Wake 2. God I hope it's true...

[bulldozer]

The last article I read didn't touch on health. But, the original announcement did say the game would use regen health.
As for the picture you list, the game will go from past to present constantly throughout the campaign. Detailing Max's life over the past eight years....
Which, I think it a horrible move. There's no need or reason to jump around chronologically. And given Rockstar's "story telling" skills.... I'm not sure they can even pull it off.


As for Remedy, latest rumors have them gearing up for Alan Wake 2. God I hope it's true...

You didnt play Red Dead Redemption, did you?

[dan2091]

Okay.. I haven't played RDR by the way, and still support Rockstar vision of the series. People's problem should not be based on putting this game in contrast with some other Rockstar Game. It should be because of the changes to the formula Rockstar has proposed. But hey! As mean as this changes are, people shouldn't rule out the game!

Jumping from back to present repeatedly, mm? Abrupt time-switching? That doesn't sound good to me, unless they're fooking masters at story-telling and know what they're doing. And I hope they know what they're doing, because besides that quote from the article, it sounds this could be the best thing to apply at a non-linear story when you want to focus on character development.

Sure, Max Payne and Max Payne 2 used this but only at the beginning of each game. So you're like wtf, what is that guy doing in the top of the building, only way to find out? Play through 8 hours to the end, and then you're like uhhh, alright I got it.

So, what's wrong with using this technique the way Rockstar claims they're doing it? This sounds more attractive than a linear-written game. Seriously, starting as a full-haired Max Payne, chronologically continuing it's story: there's no mistery in that! Non-linear? Show me some twisted twist, f*ck yeah! Revealing an aspect of the character from flashbacks that will make people switch their perception of the protragonits... and there you got the Noir everyone thing that is missing. There are many ways to achieve freaking Noooiiiir... And judging by the elapsing time of the story, which might or might not be 8 years, this could be a more elegant way to show it off.

As for this being a slap to the character.. Say, for example, a random guy is happy with his wife after having trouble marrying her, but now he comfronts job/marital/health problems? It's the same with Max: his psychological problem may not be because of his lost ones, but because of something else. The Comedian in Watchmen was depressed because of the secret he found out. Seeing how Max has used conspiracy as a theme in previous games, there's chance he's crazy nuts because of something he knows but tries to forget? Are we getting way too far from what the original Max Payne character is? Not much, the way I see it. The setting and secondary characters may be differents but they surround Max, Max himself doesn't need to be different. At least not from what's been seen so far. This could complement Max's character arc, nevertheless.

Max 1/2 story-arc may be over, but putting the character in a different situation has nothing wrong with it. Well, at least if he doesn't have that many drastical changes (some looses a hand, or a leg; but oh Rockstar, why did Max had to loose his hair?)

There are many ways to live up this title but at the same time there are many to make it fail as well. In a world where being negative is the most common thing to do, I prefer to hope this game will be enjoyable at best, and have a descent story.

[ZuljinRaynor]

Red Dead Redemption is overrated.

It's the boring GTA4 formula in the Wild West. That keeps it interesting for a few hours, and then, back the the same snoozefest that GTA4 was.

[JobivanHiob]

RDR overrated?! Its ******* awesome! And yes its GTA in the wild west! But that's what I wanted! It's beautiful!

[bulldozer]

The first 2 max payne games did have some kind of time jumping didnt they. Both of them, at the beggining actually. The entire idea of the game jumping forward and back does sound interesting, and cleared up some doubts on this game. I know get that, max payne won't be fat and bald all the time, there'll be different time periods we'll have to play him as. That sounds interesting. Instead of one big flashback, it'll be timewarping all over the place.

[Damien_Azreal]

You didnt play Red Dead Redemption, did you?

No, I haven't. And I find it extremely difficult to get myself interested in playing it considering how lackluster R*'s previous titles have been.

And going by people telling me it's awesome... that's what got me to buy GTA4. Which ended in boring tedium and disappointment.
I'll be damned if I'm making that same mistake again.


BUT... how about that Max Payne....

[ZuljinRaynor]

RDR overrated?! Its ******* awesome!

Still is overrated.

Glad I bought it used. I hate buying used, but I hate giving Rockstar my money.

GTA4's formula is boring. Because you can jump around missions, it also makes the pacing bleh. If it was Mafia's story progression, I may have enjoyed it more. However, it was just GTA4 in the washed out west. I played it on PS3.

And going by people telling me it's awesome... that's what got me to buy GTA4. Which ended in boring tedium and disappointment.
I'll be damned if I'm making that same mistake again.

Happened to me too, except I made the mistake twice.

[Kit]

The new ‘flash back moments’ look like they’ve been shoehorned in to appease fans who weren’t happy with the look.

Kind of feel the same about this as I do about Prey 2, it may turn out to be an ok action game, but CHANGE THE TITLE!

You don’t need to drag a good series name through the dirt to promote your game. I don’t remember Bioshock calling itself System Shock 3 to gain extra exposure.

You know this is the decision of some twat marketing guy who has never played a game in his life.

[bulldozer]

No, I haven't. And I find it extremely difficult to get myself interested in playing it considering how lackluster R*'s previous titles have been.

And going by people telling me it's awesome... that's what got me to buy GTA4. Which ended in boring tedium and disappointment.
I'll be damned if I'm making that same mistake again.


BUT... how about that Max Payne....

Well, if by previous titles you're refering to GTA IV, I could agree. The old GTAs of the III era were very fun, and enjoyable though. I havent played GTA IV either, I've heard it's boring too. What's important, is that Rockstar does know how to make a good story in a game, almost as good as Remedy.

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The new ‘flash back moments’ look like they’ve been shoehorned in to appease fans who weren’t happy with the look.

Kind of feel the same about this as I do about Prey 2, it may turn out to be an ok action game, but CHANGE THE TITLE!

You don’t need to drag a good series name through the dirt to promote your game. I don’t remember Bioshock calling itself System Shock 3 to gain extra exposure.

You know this is the decision of some twat marketing guy who has never played a game in his life.

They did promote the game by saying it was a "spiritual sequel" to system shock.

[ZuljinRaynor]

They did promote the game by saying it was a "spiritual sequel" to system shock.

Yes, but then they dropped that even though no gamers picked up on that.

But "spiritual" doesn't mean "direct."

See Dragon Age: Origins. It was billed as a Balder's Gate spiritual successor. And that's what it was, instead of Balder's Gate 3.

[Damien_Azreal]

Well, if by previous titles you're refering to GTA IV, I could agree. The old GTAs of the III era were very fun, and enjoyable though. I havent played GTA IV either, I've heard it's boring too. What's important, is that Rockstar does know how to make a good story in a game, almost as good as Remedy.

I'm talking about their entire catalog except three games. Out of Rockstar's catalog I like GTA3, Vice City and Manhunt.
Everything else... is either boring, dull, annoying, pathetic... flawed...
And I strongly disagree with Rockstar being good at telling a story. They are nowhere near Remedy's story telling abilities...

[thelastdisciple]

http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs50/f/2009/335/e/7/Candid_Life_of_Obadiah_Stane_by_thelastdisciple.jp g

Thought I'd share this, might be good for a laugh?

Was pretty easy to to do, yes that's Jeff Bridges lol
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Did i read James McCaffrey was reprising the voice again? is that true?

[dan2091]

Yes, he's reprising the voice. Also, Max is being modelled after him as well, this time, I find this to be great.

[Damien_Azreal]

I... don't.
I mean, it's fantastic that they got him back. When the game was first announced and they said James Mccaffrey wouldn't be back... that was instant fail.
So, now, bringing him back is awesome.

But, modeling Max after him visually... ehhh. So, this makes the third different person Max has been modeled after. Why not just take Max from the second game... and make him older?

Either way, no Remedy, no 3DR, no Sam Lake story.... meh. But, we'll see...

[Kit]

Pff... Bring back the permanent Sam Lake scowl.

http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/5028/1327887-payne.jpg

At the very least it should be available to use like the PS1 octo camo in MGS 4. XD

[bulldozer]

Or better yet, model him after that marsten guy from RDR!!!! :D

[MegaMustaine]

If they are modeling Max after McCaffrey it might have something to do with the game using the L.A. Noire facial animation system. I almost guarantee they are using it for the game. On an ironic note, Remedy says they can do facial animation better.

http://www.shacknews.com/article/68083/remedy-developing-facial-animation-tech

[Damien_Azreal]

What's ironic about that? Remedy make strong, story driven games... and they are aiming to develop a very solid facial animation system for their next game.

[bulldozer]

la noire seems like a pretty story-driven game, it may convince you azreal that rockstar is as qualified as remedy to tell a story in a game.

[ZuljinRaynor]

Assuming it's good.

[dan2091]

Come on! It would've been nice if Gibbs was hired back, but if they have decided to use the voice actor as Max's model, who is a real life actor as well, then it's cool.

la noire seems like a pretty story-driven game, it may convince you azreal that rockstar is as qualified as remedy to tell a story in a game.

Yes, some games turn out to be terrible, despite looking good on trailer, like Alone in the Dark. So yeah. Yeah.. well, That's a Team Bondi developed game, anyway. Rockstar is publishing it, only. So there's chance that Rockstar put zero input on L.A. Noire story, I don't know really. That doesn't mean that the Max Payne 3 story has to suck, anyway. I hope it works out.

[Damien_Azreal]

la noire seems like a pretty story-driven game, it may convince you azreal that rockstar is as qualified as remedy to tell a story in a game.

Except LA Noire is not being made by Rockstar. It's being developed by Team Bondi.
Rockstar are publishing. So, Team Bondi gets credit for LA Noure in my eyes, not Rockstar.

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Come on! It would've been nice if Gibbs was hired back, but if they have decided to use the voice actor as Max's model, who is a real life actor as well, then it's cool.


Timothy Gibbs is a "real" actor as well. And Timothy looked great as Max, I'd prefer that they maintain some continuity instead of jumping to yet another different "face" for Max.

http://www.moviefans.de/a-z/m/max-payne/sam-lake.jpg http://www.wchstv.com/abc/onelife/timothygibbs.jpg http://images.tvrage.com/people/6/16691.jpg

[dan2091]

Yeah, he's an actor, too. See, I'm against changing actors when a series is going on, too. I wish Michael Keaton along with the first two Batman movies' staff had came back in the 90's to do Batman 3, with a better script than Batman Returns (and Forever :s)... But, oh time awarded us with better Batman movies. Still, I like Keaton the most.

Anyway, they've chosen this guy to fully portray Payne and I don't oppose the situation. Yes, they're changing lots of things, the main model actor being one of them. So what? I'll ony bash Rockstar Games if this decision isn't well implemented, cause the way I see it, this is not a bad decision at all.

And just like Batman, I feel Sammy Lake is the best Payne model, an icon I'd say. And that said, there's no reason to not get different actors to do the role. Of course, if he was back as Payne and the writer, it would be an awwesome choice.

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How awesome is, too, that Payne is using hawaiian shirts, like Sam in the very first MP, in this come back :)?

[bulldozer]

Agree on Sam Lake as max payne, since he was in the first game it's what most people know as max payne's appearance. He is max payne. I was dissapointed when playing max payne 2 and seeing a different looking max.

[K100]

10 news screenshots:
http://www.rockstargames.com/maxpayne3/

[thelastdisciple]

There's quite the preview in Edge magazine as well, i don't want to link to them here but there are scans out there.

I also left a couple meaty comments on the latest Rockstar Games posting about Max Payne 3.

http://www.rockstargames.com/newswire/article/15461/max-payne-3-screenshots-update.html

[Cleric]

I've checked out the article, and honestly, it sounds promising. I don't know if it's been mentioned here before, but they are using Euphoria in the game, so Max (and other characters) will anticipate the landing from shoot dodges and try to catch himself, etc. We're also going to find out why Max had to leave New York, through animated comic scenes and Max's narration. The article also says that the noir style is still apparent and that it works in the new location.

You guys can continue talking about how Max is being butchered...I'll be staying optimistic and (hopefully) enjoying the game when it comes out :)

[bulldozer]

I'm liking this more now. It will have max in the ny setting, like everyone likes it, and then it'll have the new setting and max look too. Seems interesting.

[Mariamus]

The new screens look good, but if they just removed the *shudders* cliché baldness and the new scenery, I'd gladly give it a chance.

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

If anything since Rockstar is involved the game will be longer than max payne 2.

[Damien_Azreal]

Length doesn't equal quality. ;)

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

Satisfaction suffers if on my first play through I beat the game in less time than it takes to a watch Lord of the Rings movie.

I bought MP2 when it was a $50 game at release. Given MP2's short length I felt as though I paid $30-$40 to much.

[thelastdisciple]

You haven't played a short game until you've played The Force Unleashed 2.. :P

MP2 WAS like a lengthy LoTR movie in comparison to that rip off of a game.

[K100]

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[FullMetalJacket]

Check out this screenshot, though: http://media.pcgamer.com/files/2011/05/Max-Payne-3-blind-fire-alley1.jpg

So at least he will still have his hair and the leather jacket for a portion of the game.

[Dunedain]

It's stupid to have Max be older in the game, it should take place shortly after Max Payne II, and he should still have has his hair. Plus, there's just no substitute for New York City, certainly not some third world cesspool. Some place like France might be interesting, if another city must be shown.

But at the very least Max should still be young, jumping so far ahead is crazy. Many fans want more Max Payne games, beyond this one (and hopefully made by Remedy), jumping so far ahead in time limits future story options. They should simply adjust the story and art to make Max look the same age as in Max Payne II, that would solve that problem.

[SpinX]

still not convinced by the look of the game...

I really hoped they would stay in New York and show the dark, snowy, rainy, coorupt atmosphere as was intended by the first games...

I also expect them to rape the soundtrack...

[Piano Man]

What I would love to see would be the tools to create maps and characters like the other 2 Max Payne games... and then use the engine to re-create the beauty of the original Max Payne game...

I would ******* droooooool over that possibility...

[thelastdisciple]

Hopefully they do release mod tools this time around, maybe the community can then fix what might potentially be wrong about the game and release a proper version.

[SpinX]

it almot seems max payne 2 had higher textures and resolutions then thsese screenshots of the 2011 game...

[Piano Man]

Are you nuts??? Seriously???

The graphics in the Max Payne 3 game look detailed to HELL... compared to the 2nd Max Payne game...

[Damien_Azreal]

A lot of the textures in the environment do look rather low-res and blurry. Texture work and detail is something MP2 did fantastic with.

[MegaMustaine]

I think I know why they switched actors to portray Max. I believe that R* is using the LA Noire facial animation tech in this game. It would make sense for them to implement it in MP3 and all of their future games if they can afford to pay the actors. The tech itself is highly dependent on actors and with them not wanting to switch voice actors for Max, it makes sense that McCaffery will be who Max is modeled after.

[8IronBob]

That Max Payne above looks a lot like Niko Bellic. Was that done by the same artist, perhaps? Now that Max Payne's a Rockstar/Take Two game, that's got me curious.

[SpinX]

The fact that we haven't seen a trailer yet doesn't spell well for the current gameplay... no hyping at all... so we're looking for a holiday 2012 release, I think...

[dan2091]

Read somewhere this game could be released may 2012, just like RDR and LA Nore did.

[cmtthws92]

Read somewhere this game could be released may 2012, just like RDR and LA Nore did.

Or it could be released "When It's Done" :D

[dan2091]

True. I hope they announce something official soon. :( I want news on this game.

[K100]

http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/176/28729710150376202585097.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/709/28729710150376202585097.jpg/)

http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/1263/32399310150376202640097.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/841/32399310150376202640097.jpg/)

[Rapture_Rising]

Hooray... maybe Rockstar are busy changing this game so we dont have to play as a fat bald man.

[Yatta]

That, or the game takes place during different times in Max's life.

Like Breaking Bad. :)

[dan2091]

I'm up for it. Really. It looks interesting and I'm buying it. I don't even care for fat payne, he's not that fat either :p. I just hope they fix the hair bug.

And give us some news. Oh, my. I need news about this game.

[marioman360]

Those screenshots don't look too bad.

However, that magazine article that said you don't control bullet-time still has me extremely skeptical about this.

[thelastdisciple]

http://media.rockstargames.com/rockstargames/img/global/news/upload/maxpayne3-16-640(1).jpg

http://media.rockstargames.com/rockstargames/img/global/news/upload/maxpayne3-15-640.jpg

March 2012 announced as the release month.

Oh and how's this for some colorful Max Payne.

http://media.rockstargames.com/rockstargames/img/global/news/upload/Max_Creative_01_NOESRB(1).jpg

http://www.rockstargames.com/newswire/article/18761/max-payne-3-coming-march-2012.html

This art doesn't suit the Max Payne i know and love at all, it's way too bright and Miami Vicey/Hawaii 5-0y but i suppose we can thank the Brazilian locale for that...

[dan2091]

I agree on that. The cover is totally different to that of the first two.

However, I like the artstyle and hope that this isn't the final cover. Rockstar had some variant cover for RDR for sometime, and only few months before the game was released they presented the actual boxart. I think it was the same for LA Noire.. but I'm not sure.

The game is looking aweesomeeeesweet.

[K100]

This is not the box art, just an artwork.

[Damien_Azreal]

And that justifies it being used for a Max Payne game?
No, even if it's not the boxart... them putting that out as promo material for a Max Payne game... is awful.

[ZuljinRaynor]

Good night, sweet prince.

[Sang]

Good night, sweet prince.

Pretty much. I'll still play this, but I don't expect much from it.

[Damien_Azreal]

I know I won't buy it. So the only way I'll play it is if someone gift's it to me on STEAM. Otherwise... nope.
I held onto hope when they first announced it, but now... the series ends with Max Payne 2 IMO.

[dan2091]

However, that magazine article that said you don't control bullet-time still has me extremely skeptical about this.

Wait, what? Am I missing something? Were did you read that, on EDGE or GI? :confused:

One day to go. And I am still excited for this game.

[K100]

Trailer !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2UYToJyZaU

[dan2091]

Oh, yes!

[Cleric]

I don't mind how it's looking so far. They'll have a hell of a time making the story as dramatic and engrossing as the first two, though, and that's what's worried me the most since this was announced. Keeping my fingers crossed.

[Kit]

It’s just not Max Payne is it.

The theme music sounds so out of place.

[Damien_Azreal]

The theme is out of place, the setting lacks the proper atmosphere... the dialog/writing lacks Max's established personality.

Might have been a good action game, but looks like a terrible Max Payne game. Pass.

[dan2091]

I don't mind how it's looking so far. They'll have a hell of a time making the story as dramatic and engrossing as the first two, though, and that's what's worried me the most since this was announced. Keeping my fingers crossed.

This. How this journey will be significant, emocionally speaking, to Max; this is what I want to see.

When the music theme first played, it was awesome, with the sun over the city, hitting the skyscrappers. But I do agree the music theme was out of place at the end of the trailer.

What I found funny was the guy talking to Max at the beginning. It so much reminds me of a post (http://forums.3drealms.com/vb/showpost.php?p=846396&postcount=104) made by Sang:

...I don't want "Hey Max, it's your cousin!" calls ;)

I'll give it a try, even if fans dislike it once its out. I hope this will be involving and lenghty.

I even digged the part in the trailer when he cut his hair.

[marioman360]

The theme is out of place, the setting lacks the proper atmosphere... the dialog/writing lacks Max's established personality.

Might have been a good action game, but looks like a terrible Max Payne game. Pass.

my thoughts exactly.

[MegaMustaine]

http://www.gamespot.com/features/6337795/remedy-talks-max-payne-1-and-max-payne-2

An interview piece with Remedy detailing the history of Max Payne. An interesting tidbit at the end is that Rockstar has been sending Remedy builds of the game and has been receiving their input. Looks like Remedy is somewhat involved after all.

[dan2091]

Glad they keep in touch with Rockstar. Remedy should keep R* as their publisher. :p

[thelastdisciple]

I guess there is a couple Q&A's out now both with Gamespot (http://www.gamespot.com/features/6335902/exclusive-max-payne-3-story-qanda/index.html) and IGN (http://pc.ign.com/articles/119/1197638p1.html), pretty much covering the same stuff that we already know while trying really hard to defend their game and try to reassure that it's going to blow us all away.

I have to say i am getting very curious but still very much on the fence.

[nebiatsu]

Well, so much for this game.
:(


Max can carry three weapons and may dual-wield any combo of one-handed guns.


WTD is with these stingy arsed devs, where you cant carry a buttload of guns?
It didnt work for DNF, and I am SURE it wont work in Max 3.

grumpygrumblegrumpgrumble

Ooops:
http://kotaku.com/5847289/we-watched-them-play-max-payne-3--and-we-were-very-impressed

[dan2091]

Indeed.
(http://www.gameinformer.com/games/max_payne_3/b/xbox360/archive/2011/10/06/at-long-last-another-look-at-max-back-in-action.aspx?PostPageIndex=1)

[nebiatsu]

Also:
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/10/06/max-payne-3-preview/

[thelastdisciple]

From the former already linked Game Informer Preview..

I see one of the subtle new features – a slow motion, controllable bullet’s-eye view of the last kill in an area. Minus the controllableness of it that's not really a subtle new feature, it's just an expansion on what was done with the Sniper kills.


Destructoid Preview (http://www.destructoid.com/max-payne-3-is-everything-i-hoped-for-and-more-212817.phtml)

If there's one thing I can see that will bother players, it will be the constant switches from cutscene to gameplay. Right about that.

It also helps that there are no load times from the start to finish of the game. So no traditional "levels" at all? I always loved the level i.d. illustrations/artwork that showed up before each shoot out. :(

At least they got the painkillers back and didn't ruin that with health regen!

EDIT: Thanks for that Rock Paper Shotgun link, i think that's the best preview article I've read so far.

[Cleric]

From that Rock Paper Shotgun preview...

It’s clear that the shooting has retained the original games’ unique sense of twitchy danger, the presentation just dialled up to hyperactive modern standards. Cover and chest high walls are present but could evidently be easily ignored. Max’s hardboiled narration is there, bullet time is definitely making its presence known and Max is just as messed up as ever. The weapon restrictions is a concern, but from what I’ve seen even in sunny Brazil Max Payne is still Max Payne. Rockstar have, more than anything, managed to get the feel of Max’s grumpy gunplay right, and they didn’t even have to eat the flesh of any fallen angels to do so.

Makes me feel good :) I'm excited for March.

[Thriller]

Max Payne is all about an adult way of unfolding the story of a game. Definatly not holding my breath the way the market is heading, but I do hold on to that 1% of hope.

And im not saying a lot of games had an adult way about them erlier years either, but back then there was atleast room for it. Now a days it seems impossible to produce an AAA-game with even a tiny sense of style. Suppose games like uncharted is the exceptions, but thats because a game like that is trying to be a fast paced action movie anyway, so you´ll catch the whole crowd with the formula anyway.

Im not all old and grumpy though; im starting to look forward to the next phase of gaming, because I think there will once again be room for artistic focus and attention to detail in the future. I just seriously doubt Max Payne 3 will even try to go for it.

[SpinX]

but shacknews wasn't that possitive about what they saw in terms of gunplay...

[evilemperorzorg]

From the trailer the game looks great. Thing is, it doesn't look Max Payne.
What about the comic sequenseses? Are they going to return?

[Kit]

Just read a preview for this in Edge, and although I’m still skeptical about Rockstar creating the same sort of atmosphere, the gameplay itself sounded fun. Two key things that stuck out were; crescendo moments occurring where Max does stuff like dive out of a jeep and the fact that when you dive and hit the bullet time button towards lets say, a wall, you’ll fall face first into the ground. :cool:

[Damien_Azreal]

From the trailer the game looks great. Thing is, it doesn't look Max Payne.
What about the comic sequenseses? Are they going to return?

They've said the graphic novel sequences will return. Though, they will be motion comics instead of still images.

[evilemperorzorg]

Rockstar posted some more images on Twitter. The game looks fantastic boys and girls. I really trust Rockstar right now !
By the way, GTA V trailer tomorow. Holy shit..... CAN'T WAIT

[SpinX]

Some say the gunplay doesn't feel that engaging...

[Damien_Azreal]

Not surprising. The gunplay in GTA games has always felt incredibly weak and flat.

[dan2091]

I agree on that, except for gtaIV since I haven't reached any strong shooting mission just yet I can't comment on it; but my EFLC copy just arrived today and the very first mission,which includes shooting, felt alright.

Anyways, I hope that's not the case for Max Payne 3, not only should it be alright, it better be great!

[Damien_Azreal]

I felt that GTA4's combat was dull as well. It was better in terms of controls, which was a definite improvement over previous entries in the series.
But the weapons themselves just weren't fun to use. They still felt rather weak and powerless.

[Cleric]

Targeting and Shooting demo (http://www.ign.com/videos/2011/11/17/max-payne-3-design-and-technology-series?objectid=14332801)

Come on, now. That looks damn fun. And bloody...very, very bloody.

[dan2091]

Yep. Judging by that it seems it will be effing awesome, oh yes! It looks 'slow' at some points, and I'm not talking about bullet time, but I have to see more!

If I had to niptick, I don't like the bullet time nor the health icon. Painkillers should have a separate icon, dam*it!

Anyway, I'm waaaaay so convinced by now, that they should shut up and take my rupees.

[Cleric]

I remember reading that the health icon was still in the game... and it seemed slow at some points to me because of the way the person was actually playing it. You could tell he or she was doing so to show off what they were talking about.

[Kalki]

Looks better than I thought it would. That animation system seems very promising. :)

Non-IGN link to the video for those who want it: http://www.nowgamer.com/news/1135350/max_payne_3s_intense_action_revealed_in_targeting_ and_shooting_video.html

[Cleric]

Yeah, sorry. IGN's video player sucks :(

[dan2091]

what do you guys think of the Special Edition? I'm more intersted on the physical extras than the in-game ones. Would have rather had an artbook than MP skins.

The problem to me is the price. The first and last time I payed more than $90 for a Special Edition, I later blamed myself for not waiting till price droped (cough cough DNF cough).

[thelastdisciple]

The only special edition of any game i have ever bought was for Bioshock 2, and this is when it's price dropped from about $100 to $30, talk about a steal! It came with the vinyl record of the OST, a CD OST, a hardcover art book and some posters and in a nifty box no less. I find it incredibly expensive alone for just the normal editions of games these days, let alone buying some godly edition.

I guess if you split everything up for the Payne LE, you're already paying 60 for the game alone... so add in another 10 for the soundtrack, maybe 8 for the key chain and 17-20 for the figurine. It all adds up, certainly looks nice but i probably won't be getting it.

Also, in the past... i was comfortable just paying the 40 dollars for the original Max Payne and getting a cool mouse pad as an added bonus.

[dan2091]

Cool mousepad was excellent, and the Max Payne 2's folder-esque box was sexy, too. I'm not really fond of dvd retail boxes :(.

So, last time Rockstar brought a Special Edition, was when GTAIV came out, does anyone remember if they first said it was gonna have a limited run or something? Cause, they're still selling it up to this day.

And regarding the SE cover, the brasilian dude ruins it for me (and somehow the chick too), they're so random.

[Kit]

The new gameplay footage looks ace. :)

I had my doubts at first but they seem to have turned it around.

[Cleric]

Short interview (http://www.gametrailers.com/video/debut-interview-max-payne-3/724527) with some new footage sprinkled in.

[evilemperorzorg]

Short interview (http://www.gametrailers.com/video/debut-interview-max-payne-3/724527) with some new footage sprinkled in.

That's nice. I trust Rockstar that they won't fail. The level with the pool table really looks like the old Max :)

[Cleric]

I guess we all knew that multiplayer (http://ps3.ign.com/articles/121/1214764p1.html) was unavoidable... at least it sounds interesting in theory. In theory. I'll probably ignore it, although it would be cool to see some insane shootouts with bodies flying everywhere :cool:

[Morbid]

Graphics look really consolish...

[Damien_Azreal]

Is that actually supposed to mean something? What does "consolish" look like?

Because seriously, it doesn't make any sense. Uncharted 2 and 3 look amazing. Batman: Arkham City... which was a console title ported to PC, looks fantastic.

Max Payne 3 looks fine. Looks like GTA, only more focused and more detailed.

[dan2091]

Btw, anyone buying the Special Edition? Supposedly, today's the last chance to pre-order it. Honestly, I don't know. I do have faith in MP3, but I hope the Special Edition will still be available later, and at a cheaper price. I love buying this things, but last time I bought a LE I was really disappointed (a game I was very excited about and bought on day 1 and it ended up sucking and now the SE is very cheap at Amazon... can you guess of what game am I talking about?).

Specials Edition of Bioshock 2, GTAIV (360 version) and other games get cheaper and still easy to find years after its release, but sometimes they are truly sold out. I'm not spending $100 I guess. :s

[Mariamus]

The Max Payne figurine is making me itch to preorder it. But I have no money, and I still have little faith in MP3.

[Rapture_Rising]

Max Payne 3 is delayed until May.

www.joystiq.com/2012/01/17/max-payne-3-delayed

Which sucks because i was going to pre order the special edition tomorrow, i suppose i could now but i will once it becomes closer to the release date.

[8IronBob]

Hmm... Well, that would be after tax season, so that might be better with a release date like this. Sure, I can wait.

[Cleric]

Targeting and Weapons (http://www.gametrailers.com/video/debut-trailer-resident-evil/725955)

It just looks better and better the more I see of it. I'm loving the attention to detail - about 45 seconds into the video, look at the guy's chest after he's shot. Just two little holes punched into the material. :cool:

[dan2091]

Less than an hour for Trailer #2. Hope that it rocks some shit.

---

OMG!

When Sao Paulo is... ashes, you have my permission to die.

[dan2091]

Wow, seriously. D&T Video #3 was awesome. I'm very confident of this, more than ever.

[Cleric]

Cinematics and visuals (http://www.gametrailers.com/video/developer-diary-max-payne-3/728084)

[Damien_Azreal]

I can easily say... I absolutely hate how they are doing the "graphic novel" scenes. Hate it.

[dan2091]

Yep. That's the only thing that is not convincing me. To me, MP and MP2 graphic novels were one of the best things a videogame could ever have, they had such an air of mistery and tragedy... i don't know about this one.

[Cleric]

Bullet time video (http://www.gametrailers.com/video/developer-diary-max-payne-3/729075)

Best one so far. The goon getting lit up at 2:20 is classic.

[Kit]

I can easily say... I absolutely hate how they are doing the "graphic novel" scenes. Hate it.

Yeah, have to agree. I was hoping they'd go for the sketchy comic strip look of the first two.

[Rapture_Rising]

PC specs for anyone getting it for PC

Operating System: Windows 7 32/64 Service Pack 1, Windows Vista 32/64 Service Pack 2, Windows XP 32/64 Service Pack 3
Processor: Intel Dual Core 2.4 GHZ - i7 3930K 6 Core x 3.06 GHZ / AMD Dual Core 2.6 GHZ - FX8150 8 Core x 3.6 GHZ
RAM: 2GB - 16GB
Video Card: NVIDIA 8600 GT 512MB VRAM – NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680 2GB VRAM / Radeon HD 3400 512MB VRAM - Radeon HD 7970 3GB VRAM
Sound Card: 100% Direct X 9.0 compatible – Direct X 9.0 compatible supporting Dolby Digital Live
HDD Space: 35 GB

[Damien_Azreal]

What I'm trying to understand is the '35 GB' hard drive space required. That just doesn't make any sense to me.
The rest of the requirements also look off.
The minimum specs looks fine, gives the players a good idea of the bottom line of what's needed to play the game.

But the top end... it just looks like they picked the absolute top end hardware and listed it. That doesn't provide any solid information.
Any game could run on hardware like that. The recommended requirements need to specify what is needed to run the game, not list super, mega, badass PC that could run anything.

I mean, how do you go from a 8600 to a 680? There's a ton of generations of cards in that gap.

[Cleric]

I've heard that the 35Gb of space is for some ultra high resolution texture pack.

[Kit]

That would be nice, but from what I've seen in the previews it looks really nice as is. :)

Has GFWL or Rockstar Social club been mentioned? :mryuck:

[Damien_Azreal]

The STEAM version of the game will use STEAMworks for some functions. But will also use Rockstar Social Club as well.

[Kit]

The STEAM version of the game will use STEAMworks for some functions. But will also use Rockstar Social Club as well.

You'd think they'd have learnt from GTA 4 that having multiple accounts to play one game is going to put people off.

[Damien_Azreal]

That's like saying Ubisoft learned people don't want their "always online" DRM service. ;) Very few publishers actually "learn" anything.

[Cleric]

Launch trailer (http://www.gametrailers.com/video/launch-trailer-max-payne-3/729965)

[Kalki]

IGN's Review (http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/05/14/max-payne-3-review)

[Dunedain]

It's sad that Remedy wasn't allowed to make the game. In fact, we probably could have had two more Max Payne games by now if they would have just been allowed to keep going after Max Payne II. And the style, atmosphere, story and feel of the game would have been true to Max Payne. Well, maybe after this Remedy will get to make the next game :)

[Damien_Azreal]

It's not that Remedy weren't allowed to make, they decided not to make another one. They wanted to work on something new, and by that... Alan Wake.
But even after MP3 comes out, I wouldn't expect Remedy to jump on MP4. They are still invested with Alan Wake and who knows what else they could want to try in the future.

Some people from Remedy have said they felt the story was pretty complete with the ending of Max Payne 2.

[Dunedain]

Hmm, I seem to recall they were willing to work on the next one, but rockstar declined. Seems pretty stupid to buy the rights to the game, then release no sequel for 8 years...

In any case, no one else will make a Max Payne game like Remedy will, they have that unique style and atmosphere to the game and story, and hopefully they will make the next one. The Alan Wake sequel can wait. :)

By the way, anyone know a site that has this screen shot available in higher res than 1280x720 (preferably with small logo like this or no logo, and no 3d effect applied like rockstar seems to have done to all the wallpapers on their site, grr...)?

http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/176/28729710150376202585097.jpg

[marioman360]

http://www.shadbase.com/comic_folder/2012-05-20-payneful.jpg?f22064