MPHQ is gone

[Joonas]

...well the spirit at least... ...and that <voiceless cursing> Mentor has taken over the site! images/icons/shocked.gif images/icons/shocked.gif images/icons/shocked.gif

[Bruce Hamilton]

Originally posted by Joonas:
...and that <voiceless cursing> Mentor has taken over the site!<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">For me, MPHQ disappeared a couple weeks ago when the entire forum section got wiped clean, including all the accounts. That was a major archive of Max Payne information, and Gutbomb just flushed it down the cybertoilet. Mentor in charge won't resurrect it.

[Joonas]

Well, the interface was better after the revamp and loss of topics is not that bad.
I'm actually worried about mod in there...

And just visit the site. That. Person. Is. Crazy.

[Hellwolve]

If Mentor is really in charge, I'll abbadon MPHQ, and I will join this community, wich is a warm, and friendly one.


Heh, perhaps that was a bit to much?

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[Fraeon Waser Duhni]

Seemingly Gutbomb got bored of the "new rules" himself too...

[Maddieman]

On the plus side, katana 2 got 'Picture of the Day' today. images/icons/smile.gif

[Jade]

I was a MPHQ user, too bad they cleaned all...

[StratonAce]

I'm not so sure it will be that bad. But, then again, I've been known to be wrong. The worst thing for me to see is all the people leaving there in droves. I wonder if it will be worth visiting if it is a ghost-town????

But, to be honest, I usually just went there to be entertained by the regulars, several of whom I was fond of, and also for pimpage of Evolution and other mods I've worked on. Anytime I wanted to get serious information on any Max editing, these forums were ALWAYS the first place I'd visit. Plus, we've got MaddieMan here. You'll never see a more helpful person who is willing to answer all your modding questions.

Also, for those of you who don't know, there are two other Max Payne sites who could certainly use your patronage if you want to leave MPHQ.

First is, obviously, Bixen's site..... Payne Reacter, at....

http://www.paynereactor.com/

It's not up and running at the moment, but if you guys want a new stomping ground, just say the word and Bix will most assuredly throw some stuff together to get it up and running for you guys. The only reason he took it down in the first place is because the community spent a majority of its time at MPHQ.

And, there is always Deep Six, run by White Rabbit, Azz, our very own Aavenr, and several others. I think it's kind of unknown by this community, and as such, dosen't update as often as MPHQ, but that could certainly change if it suddenly gets an influx of new people. Oh, the addy is....

http://www.3dactionplanet.com/maxpayne/

The folks over there are really good guys. So, give 'em a visit and see if it's to your liking. images/icons/wink.gif

But, all that said, I think MPHQ will be alright. But, time will tell. BTW, where did GuttBomb go anyway????

[StratonAce]

Speaking of Deep Six and other Max Payne websites to gather at, I just read an older post at Deep Six (see, even I haven't been there in a while? I need to remedy that), well, reading an older news blurb there entitled "Help Resurrect Max Payne Center", I saw the following news from aavenr,

"The word is out that Josh, former webmaster of the defuct Max Payne Center is trying to resurrect the website which was apparently shut down a couple of months ago due to increasing bandwith costs and the toll it was taking on its former host, the Media and Games Online Network. We at Deep Six want to encourouge you to go and support the cause by signing the petition (http://www.petitiononline.com/mpc321/petition.html) in order to get that website back out there. Common' people, it's for the community's sake! "

[biXen]

I wasn't too fond of Max Payne Center, most people that's been here from the beginning know why. But with MPHQ being injured and Deep Six and Paynereactor being small and inactive this community needs something.

Now my forums are up and running, but they are not online. I didn't plan to open them until the page is up, but I dunno if it would be of any use. At least people could register and roam around a bit if they wanted, but I dunno. The page is well underway at least, design is done, doing some logo works, layout works, and working with my coder to clarify how things will work. I'll probably have some crew this time around. Anyway, I hope this community will be strong again around Max Payne 2. This time I'm gonna be prepared for all troubleshooting and stuff like that too, that will also fend off much flaming. If there's an interest in opening my forums (where it'll be a bit more loose than here, but still moderated) you can let me know, I'll consider it. Without GutBomb I doubt I'll get a button at MPHQ, so I dunno what kind of numbers I can get to my site, but with some insight and early news I hope to get at least those that still follow the game images/icons/smile.gif Stay with Maxy everyone, and support the sites. (mine is bannerless atm, so nevermind that)...signing to help MPC is good though.

[aavenr]

You know what's funny strat? I found a couple of days ago that petition has been there for almost a year now.

Speaking for Deep Six, Problem is most of the Deep Six staff has given up to to the harsh reality. That only lefts maniac and me as active staff members. I am pretty busy myself with my modding project so i will limit myself to news posting and maybe writting an article once in a while.

Even being backed up by the almighty Gamespy Network, we have got practically zero hosting possibilities since all our mods died long time ago and the site ain't that popular to encourage other sites to move on.

I will make sure we stay around for a while but the site will probably focus on news and articles (reviews, interviews, editorials, etc).

It really scares me to think the most influential site on the community and resident mod hosting monopoly is in Mentor's hands. I damm well hope we are wrong about Mentor or this community will become even lonelier and more hardcore than ever. At least till Max 2 comes along that is.

Some hope can be found on the always understimated german max payne sites. Just go and take a look at http://www.mpzone.de or http://maxpayne.gamevision.de/index.php and you will see what I am talking about. Nobody beats those guys at posting modding news and it's damm well worth the hassle of using Babelfish (http://babelfish.altavista.com)

[ 02-04-2003, 08:10 PM: Message edited by: aavenr ]

[StratonAce]

aavenr, turns out it was all a big joke. Regardless, keep up the good work at Deep Six. I will start visiting there more often and post new screenies in the forums there. images/icons/smile.gif

Now, back to work. images/icons/wink.gif

[ADM]

Regardless of whether this was a joke I stopped visiting MPHQ along time ago..

I just can't stand going to the site, sure it's big but the colors are terrible (dark red links on a black bg? Come one.. Web Design's Big No-No), and I was always visiting Max Payne Center and Payne Reactor.

Now that MPC has been gone for a long time I'm left with Payne Reactor.. so bixen you do have a little following for your site.

Anyway Max Payne sites are almost as rare as Duke sites now.

I tried starting a Duke site but it didn't get very popular.. about a measly 10 to 20 hits a day.

Ahh well.

[biXen]

LOL...

[Maddieman]

April's come a bit early hasn't it? images/icons/grin.gif

Pity, for a minute there I thought they might just have been able to sort things out with their forums.

I'll take a look in a month or two and see if it's degenerated back to the state it was.

[biXen]

Luckily it was a joke, but it still doesn't change the fact that the MPHQ community is pretty shattered, as the whole Max Payne community is. A lot of talented people has left it just because it's not a pleasant community for learners.

[william ford]

Man...i hate gutbomb, he's a cranky old man! It woulda been so cool with mentor.

[FreDsom]

Originally posted by william ford:
Man...i hate gutbomb, he's a cranky old man! It woulda been so cool with mentor. <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">yeah.. sure.. Let someone that don't even know what max payne is lead one of the last MP sites. I don't know how cool that is. Mentor's main interest at MPHQ is flaming as many n00bs as possible.

Flaming and spamming are just one problem there. Also all the tallented people have left MPHQ ages ago, of course there are some tallented people who use to stop by and some that has decided to stay. So if you ask an advance question over at the MPHQ forum, you would most likely not get your question answered.

another of the problems are the people that find the flaming and spamming entertaining, and would like to keep MPHQ the way it is. And specialy when some of these people are staff members. If gutbomb keep making people he find entertaining, and not the one that suits the job, mphq will never come out of the stage it's in now.

[ 02-08-2003, 09:26 PM: Message edited by: FreDsom ]

[Maddieman]

And specialy when some of these people are staff members. <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Yeah, some of the staff at mphq have been pulling some really dumb pranks in the last few months. It even got the point where moderators were posting under other peoples accounts. images/icons/rolleyes.gif images/icons/tongue.gif

[FreDsom]

*cough* everybody isn't perfect images/icons/frown.gif

but my point is that MPHQ is going down.

[Maddieman]

hehe... images/icons/grin.gif

True, it's now become a sort of exclusive club, where if they don't know you then you're not welcome.

I've never felt comfortable posting there, and doubt whether this forum re-vamp will improve matters. As you said, some of the moderators are unfit for the job; bending the rules between what counts as a flame and what doesn't is unacceptable.

[FreDsom]

well.. since you are a respected moder, everybody will just suckup when you post. I feel more sorry for the n00bs, they will most likely be flamed if they post there..

[Bruce Hamilton]

Originally posted by FreDsom:
...they will most likely be flamed if they post there.. <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">And with the long list of moderators they have, you'd expect one of them to crack down on that. Most forum moderators aren't like George Broussard and Joe Siegler.

[FreDsom]

Well.. I must admit I have given up the fight against flaming... If I decide to ban someone, they might be entertaining for the people who aren't flamed. And then all hell breaks loose and so on..

[Maddieman]

Max Payne 2 is going to be released in the best part of a year, and that means there will be another wave of talented and aspiring modders willing to learn and create. They say that like attracts like; so at crunch time, whichever site has the most attractive community is most likely to thrive in this area.

With MPHQ currently being the largest and most active mp community; Gutbomb is going to have to make some important decisions - which could include the removal of some of the more popular mphq staff and regulars.

Otherwise the class structure they have in place at the moment will kill their community and perhaps the site too. They supposedly offer freedom of speech (in contrast to the strict moderation here), and look where it has taken them - the community is divided into a strict hierarchy where existing modders are worshipped, and newbies aren't given the time of day.

All they have to offer at the moment is bandwidth; and because of this there won't be any incentive for new modders to go there to help, get hosted, or release anything.

[ 02-09-2003, 10:51 AM: Message edited by: Maddieman ]

[FreDsom]

Well.. MPHQ can become a great place. GutBomb are a skilled webmaster, he got all the knowledge that is needed to run a site at that scale. But it seems like he doesn't care about the place anymore. And some days it seems like he care, and start a massive campaign to make stop the flaming and spamming, and the next day he unban and makes one of the flame #1 flamers admin.

as you said, GutBomb mus decide if it's gonna be a playground for flamers that don't even know what Max Payne is, or a proper max payne fansite where the n00bs can ask without being flammed.

[Sam]

Well, I suppose that what confuses me is Gutbomb's rather fickle attitude towards the whole site. One day he is complaining that it is a babysitting job to him and decides to wipe the forums, and another day he decides to make Mentor, whom some of us know to be a rather controversial member of MPHQ, the "owner" of the site (and to this day Mentor remains an Administrator at the site).

Some others have commented that he (Gutbomb) may have a somewhat "sandbox" attitude towards the whole thing; one minute he wants to build up, and the next he wants to destroy it.

[Maddieman]

I've noticed that the forum activity over there has been significantly reduced in the past few weeks - despite the imminent release of kung fu 3.

Meanwhile, biXen (being the crafty person he is) seems to be sneaking around all the promising mods, offering them hosting at paynereactor. images/icons/grin.gif

I'm curious to find out what the outcome is of all this; but I guess that until mp2 is released, we can only speculate.

[ 02-10-2003, 02:59 PM: Message edited by: Maddieman ]

[biXen]

Originally posted by Maddieman:
Meanwhile, biXen (being the crafty person he is) seems to be sneaking around all the promising mods, offering them hosting at paynereactor. images/icons/grin.gif <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">ROFL. Who are you calling sneaky? Well, at least the tone before the release of MP2 is friendlier than it was before MP1. I didn't like Gutty back then images/icons/smile.gif He's a cool guy though, but I think he's not running the site as well as he did... so I'll try to take advantage of that. But those bastards in #maxpayne made me ditch the PR3 design for now, so it's back to the drawing boards graemlins/tinyted.gif

Now that I also finally decided on what my next level is gonna be, double workload... THANKS A LOT!!! graemlins/tinyted.gif

[Maddieman]

But those bastards in #maxpayne made me ditch the PR3 design for now, so it's back to the drawing boards graemlins/tinyted.gif <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Huh, what was wrong with the design? images/icons/confused.gif

Incidently, I'm still working on my mini site design - most of the content is done. Still looks crappy though. images/icons/blush.gif

[FreDsom]

so bixen.. when will Payne Reactor 3.0 finished? i've been waiting since christmas.. images/icons/rolleyes.gif And when you finaly decide to open, please use a better forum images/icons/wink.gif

[biXen]

Originally posted by FreDsom:
so bixen.. when will Payne Reactor 3.0 finished? i've been waiting since christmas.. images/icons/rolleyes.gif And when you finaly decide to open, please use a better forum images/icons/wink.gif <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Depends... when I get the design finished it's the backend left, my friend will do most of that though, so I'll be working on the content. I've got a new forum now, a PHP one. So unless you have bitchslapped Strat or me you haven't seen it images/icons/smile.gif It's just as good as MPHQ's forum, if not better. I don't think it's the same anyway, am pretty sure actually images/icons/tongue.gif

Maddie: Well the design sucked, and was too similar, so I agreed with them bastards images/icons/smile.gif

Yeah I didn't give you much to work with either, so I hope you managed to make it cool with some pics and different colors and stuff images/icons/smile.gif

I have a new idea for PR which I'm working on now, and I think it will work pretty well, we'll see pretty soon... it will be a late night... glad I have Cohen here....... THE SONGS... not the man... images/icons/rolleyes.gif

[ 02-10-2003, 04:53 PM: Message edited by: biXen ]

[Maddieman]

Yeah I didn't give you much to work with either, so I hope you managed to make it cool with some pics and different colors and stuff <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Opps...pictures...colours...knew I forgot something! graemlins/doh.gif images/icons/blush.gif

[Omario]

Gutbomb left?! my GOD I aM So BEHIND!! JEEZUS CHRIST!!! wutta bout Pete, and all the guys? and Mentor? in charge?! HOLY ****IN CRAP!@@@@|!!!!!!! ! ! ! ! images/icons/shocked.gif images/icons/shocked.gif images/icons/shocked.gif images/icons/shocked.gif images/icons/shocked.gif images/icons/shocked.gif
Its really not my fault i had no clue, i rarely go to Max payne general and i cant goto MPHQ at all.... **** SHIT HELL BITCH **** **** ****!!!


Edit:
hey, it blocked off the f-word... cool, automatically too! I never noticed that!

[ 02-11-2003, 10:35 AM: Message edited by: Omario ]

[Maddieman]

http://www.razorblue.net/images/ubb/lastweek.jpg
images/icons/tongue.gif

It was a joke...GutBomb's still in charge.

However, I think Pete has left.

[Omario]

pete has left... maybe i can uncover myself now- oops said too much! images/icons/grin.gif
And so the games begin... images/icons/tongue.gif

btw, whos that guy in the pic?

[ 02-11-2003, 02:04 PM: Message edited by: Omario ]

[asker]

mphq has been gone for a while... all the good mods are dead or moved away xcept kungfu, and that probably won't ever get new stuff on it... the only word we got on it turned out to be BS! it sure stirred up some kungfu-hopeful sentiment tho!

anywayz, deep six isn't all that bad, they at least have regular news way better than mphq. as for paynereactor i don't realy frequent it so i dunno!

[biXen]

Originally posted by asker:
mphq has been gone for a while... all the good mods are dead or moved away xcept kungfu, and that probably won't ever get new stuff on it... the only word we got on it turned out to be BS! it sure stirred up some kungfu-hopeful sentiment tho!

anywayz, deep six isn't all that bad, they at least have regular news way better than mphq. as for paynereactor i don't realy frequent it so i dunno! <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Erm, this is an OLD topic. And Kung Fu 3 will be out on monday, you really need to read a bit more before posting images/icons/smile.gif

[theHunted]

Originally posted by asker:
... all the good mods are dead or moved away xcept kungfu... <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">http://lightsaber.maxpayneheadquarters.com/
http://xiaoxiao.maxpayneheadquarters.com/
http://realworld.maxpayneheadquarters.com/

the only problem is a community that ain't willing to realize that there are mods apart from kungfu.

[asker]

LoL... ok, lightsaber is good and it's at mphq

But xiaoxiao is just stick figures... all they're doing is taking all of the detail out of max payne, replacing it with lines, and making every level all white so that they don't have to do any texture work!

and besides, realworld is just gonna be another matrix mod. only this one is gonna have some matrix levels... oh well, i might as well keep an eye on that

[Jokke_r]

DOOM W00T W00T

[Maddieman]

Actually, 'The Real World' is co-hosted by both MPHQ and PayneReactor -- I don't think everyone is aware of this yet... graemlins/hhg.gif

Sister site will be up soon. graemlins/dopefish.gif

And yes, the Doom tc looks good -- they've done a wonderful job replicating the level geometry, so far. images/icons/smile.gif

[asker]

desert the sinking ship before it goes under, man

It's sinking fast

[Maddieman]

You're assuming that Froz is the Captain of the ship; when in fact, it is you my friend, who is lost at sea. images/icons/wink.gif

I'm anticipating a structured list of 10 reasons why this tc will fail -- don't bother. I don't need you or anyone else to tell me what the status quo is on something you're not even involved with. images/icons/mad.gif

[biXen]

Actually I am quite positive towards the new Matrix TC and have good expectations... and I think if you ask Maddie, that's a very rare and good sign images/icons/wink.gif

[aavenr]

Originally posted by asker:


anywayz, deep six isn't all that bad, they at least have regular news way better than mphq. <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Yes, someone knows we exist. Wohooo! images/icons/grin.gif

No doubt about it, The Real World looks damm promising. Last time I saw a big TC gather so much hype and actually showing on an almost daily basis shots to prove the hype was straton's evolution a couple of months back. Seriously every single week i find myself forced to post about some neat stuff that the TRW team has come up with.

This has been the one on the spotlight over the last couple of weeks and there's a reason for that.

Then again so MANY promising TC's have been CANCELLED (let me stress 'many' and 'cancelled' again) on the last 22 months I tend to think it twice before getting too excited by something. images/icons/rolleyes.gif

Oh and Maddie, I love that Hell's Kitchen name you came up with for your site images/icons/wink.gif

[ 02-26-2003, 07:37 PM: Message edited by: aavenr ]