Max Payne at E3

[theHunted]

heres the very first impressions of the E3 stand, taken by gamespy:

http://maxpayne.gamigo.de/screens/e3/stand1_tn.jpg http://maxpayne.gamigo.de/screens/e3/stand2_tn.jpg

fullsize (1280 x 960):
http://www.gamespy.com/e32003/screens/showfloor/16.jpg
http://www.gamespy.com/e32003/screens/showfloor/15.jpg

"Max Payne 2"
"The Fall of Max Payne"
"A Film Noir Love Story"

so now we got another subtitle images/icons/smile.gif

[ 05-14-2003, 05:22 AM: Message edited by: theHunted ]

[The Stinger]

Originally posted by theHunted:

"A Film Noir Love Story"
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Didn't the 1st one have that too?....

[Yenz]

Does anyone know if they will show more than just this (I mean screenshots or movies)?

[Tjals]

Maybe MP2 will be a PRE-quel!? images/icons/shocked.gif

[Jade]

Uh...he'll "fall" in love again? images/icons/shocked.gif images/icons/grin.gif

[biXen]

Tjall: his wife didn't walk around with guns you know... and she looked more Finnish, hahah... images/icons/tongue.gif

Is that Mona or something? And love story? WTF. If this turns into some soap opera shit I'm gonna be pissed. I was thinking more like Max was going to a federal-pound-me-in-the-ass prison and we'd get some shower action... erm, not really.

They'll show trailer and some screens. And it doesn't look like Max is "played" by Sam Lake (Sami Järvi) anymore by the looks of those shots.

[Tjals]

Originally posted by biXen:
Tjall: his wife didn't walk around with guns you know... and she looked more Finnish, hahah... images/icons/tongue.gif

Is that Mona or something? And love story? WTF. If this turns into some soap opera shit I'm gonna be pissed. I was thinking more like Max was going to a federal-pound-me-in-the-ass prison and we'd get some shower action... erm, not really.

They'll show trailer and some screens. And it doesn't look like Max is "played" by Sam Lake (Sami Järvi) anymore by the looks of those shots. <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Yeah, the woman could be Mona. (Hold on, didn't Mona die in MP1? images/icons/confused.gif Sorry, I forgot images/icons/blush.gif ).

Oh and BiXen, I don't think you have to worry about MP2 becoming a "My best friends wedding"/"Mickey Blue Eyes"/"[enter title of typical Hollywood lovestory here]"-type of love story. images/icons/grin.gif
It says FILM NOIR love story, so that means it'l be cool. images/icons/cool.gif

[Jade]

Originally posted by biXen:
And it doesn't look like Max is "played" by Sam Lake (Sami Järvi) anymore by the looks of those shots. <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I have that impression too...

[Jade]

Originally posted by Tjals:
Yeah, the woman could be Mona. (Hold on, didn't Mona die in MP1? images/icons/confused.gif Sorry, I forgot images/icons/blush.gif ).
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">We don't know if she died...it could be her...didn't you notice their feeling in MP1? images/icons/grin.gif

[biXen]

If she get's killed and he's going on some revenge rampage again I'm voting for the name Deathwish VI: Max Payne... images/icons/rolleyes.gif

To be honest I'm a bit disappointed with the news, hopefully that woman doesn't have a crappy role, at least she'll be noir, that's positive, typically women in games are stupid as hell. Hopefully we don't have to play as her.

[Jade]

Originally posted by biXen:
If she get's killed and he's going on some revenge rampage again I'm voting for the name Deathwish VI: Max Payne... images/icons/rolleyes.gif

To be honest I'm a bit disappointed with the news, hopefully that woman doesn't have a crappy role, at least she'll be noir, that's positive, typically women in games are stupid as hell. Hopefully we don't have to play as her. <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Women in games are stupid??? Think about Lara Croft for example... images/icons/wink.gif

[j]

All I can really say is..

What. The. Fsck?

I hope this won't turn out to be total shit.

And I sure as hell hope there's no character switching.

And I really, really, really, really, really, really, really hope this is just some bad joke.

[X-Vector]

Originally posted by biXen:
typically women in games are stupid as hell.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">That's because of the relative immaturity of the game business.
Even when we get to play an "ass-kicking" female, for some reason she still has to have cup E size breasts, a non-existent waistline and bullet-proof armour consisting of a halter top and hotpants.

There are alternatives though, Mara Jade in JK: Mysteries of the Sith was one and it looks like Alyx Vance in HL2 (although she's 'only' an NPC sidekick) will be another.

I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with playing a female character or having one as a companion.

[Wrathstalker]

Originally posted by j:
All I can really say is..

What. The. Fsck?

I hope this won't turn out to be total shit.

And I sure as hell hope there's no character switching.

And I really, really, really, really, really, really, really hope this is just some bad joke. <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">What the f**k is wrong with all of you? Judging a game by just a couple of hung up sheets with a picture of Max on them? images/icons/rolleyes.gif
But I do agree that it is a mistake to switch characters, if they actually did it (Baskinator would become very sad!) images/icons/grin.gif
When I think of Max, I think of him as Sami Järvi (A.K.A. Sam Lake) and not some rich ass spoiled hollywood actor.

[bopper]

Yeah, it's Mona alright. See the gun? Mona Loved guns.

[Jade]

Originally posted by Wrathstalker:

When I think of Max, I think of him as Sami Järvi (A.K.A. Sam Lake) and not some rich ass spoiled hollywood actor. <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Same here.
Watching the pic better it remind me of James Bond...

[Maddieman]

Sorry, I think the pic does resemble Sam Lake somewhat, just as the cover of the first Max Payne did. I guess we'll find out soon enough.

[Chimera]

I don't remember Mona having a ponytail, but that does look like her gun...

As for the title, the fall of max payne. To me that says everything is not going swimmingly. I'm thinking hes having trouble with Woden bailing him out or something...

[Mr_Diffrence]

http://www.maxpayne2.com/images/mplogo_art.gif
http://www.maxpayne2.com

[Jade]

It's so sweet! images/icons/grin.gif

[Wrathstalker]

Originally posted by Tjals:
Maybe that dude in the pic isn't Max?
I mean, he's got a completely different hairstyle... <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I'm pretty sure it's him. Same clothes, same build. And why would they put some other guy in the logo?? If Max Payne isn't played by Sam Lake I'm gonna be very disapointed.

[Jade]

The lineaments are that of the original Max but the hair are not the same though.

[Wrathstalker]

Even a fullblown super hero like Max needs to change hairstyle once in a while to stay popular around women. images/icons/grin.gif

[Jade]

Originally posted by Wrathstalker:
Even a fullblown super hero like Max needs to change hairstyle once in a while to stay popular around women. images/icons/grin.gif <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">lol...he wasn't bad with the old style images/icons/grin.gif

[Jokke_r]

that ain't sami järvi. i mean. look at him. looks like roger moore. or sumthn. looks oold... like clode 50 or sumthn.

[Wrathstalker]

I really, really hope your wrong...

[LeadBullet]

Yeah its weird, not only does the guy not look like Max, but the way they are drawn looks a lot off from the way Max was drawn on the box of the first game.

Looks kind of like Christopher Walken. images/icons/shocked.gif

[mysteryperfecta]

Originally posted by Maddieman:
Sorry, I think the pic does resemble Sam Lake somewhat, just as the cover of the first Max Payne did. I guess we'll find out soon enough. <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I agree. This artistic rendering doesn't accentuate facial features, and the hair is different (better, imo). But it's still Max.

[biXen]

Looks like Clint Eastwood, and quite frankly I'm pretty sure it's not Sami that's Max since they are so silent about it, and I was wrong, no pics or trailer from E3 images/icons/smile.gif

[Jokke_r]

why... why god why....

[Tjals]

Maybe that dude in the pic isn't Max?
I mean, he's got a completely different hairstyle...

[0marTheZealot]

=[ is all I have to say about this.

[neeek]

the guy in the black n white logo thing with the gal is definetly sami aka max payne. i mean they have been making mp2 nearly 2 or more yrs now n obviously since then, the artists were 2 draw up a cover to promote the sequal/prequal whatever the game will be and since then, sami had grown his hair a lil long over time and forgot to have a trim on the hair so he had ppl have it the way it is. its sami with a longa hair as max payne.

the gal next to him is mona cos she's a vengful femme fatale and she n max 1st met when he took on the killers and the fella who chanted "the flesh of fallen angels" blah blah blah level and they had a certain chemistry there when they sipped a drink together until she slipped a mickey in max i.e. she put sumthing in his drink and made him go thru sum dream sequence or sumthing. she did that so he wont stop her from going afta the mobsters that would wipe her out.

their paths will cross again tho, now they'll work together to bring down a bigger threat to all. and probably sparks will fly between them and give the game personality and character.

it could be likely that you can play as 2 characters in mp2: the love of payne, just like in lara croft: angel of darkness where you play as the kurt guy as well as lara and you play in different perspectives to advance the story more.

so like you play as max and have levels specific to max as you play as him and when you pick mona you play other different similair levels and get a different perspective at the same time, just like enter the matrix when you play as ghost or niobe, mgs2 snake or raiden, tenchu 3 with rikimara, ayame or tessu, onimusha 1 and 2 with the main character and the other participating players as well, you play as them to get access to levels that the main guy/gal cant get to. so it gives you total freedom and explore levels and environments that doesnt restrict you to a linear path but have many ways of getting to that path.

anyone who says "playing as a female is f**ked" is stupider than their mum, cos females rock in video games. i even play as a female in sum fighting and skating games cos you get to see them jiggle and move and see them animate so well in the games:) plus i love it when i play my female player in tony hawk 4 where you can customise how they look and everything. this gal i made, she's all buxom and curvy and dark, bit like mona sax really images/icons/wink.gif

even if we do play as a female in mp2 so what? remember what mona was like in mp1? she was a badass and ready to pull a trigger and would neva have anyone in her way. now imagine playing as her and then having all the exclusive moves you can pull off while playing as her and maybe have a very different bullettime from max's.

i guess if mp has 2 players in it then i bet its gonna be soo compared to enter the matrix cos of the bulletime and have a male and female players to play as, as well as have better cooler graphics, maybe have hand to hand combat also. SWEET images/icons/grin.gif

[Kev_Hectic]

Originally posted by LeadBullet:

Looks kind of like Christopher Walken. images/icons/shocked.gif <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Now that you mention it, he does look a little like Christopher Walken images/icons/blush.gif

That's just as odd as the "Duke Carey" mock up art for DNF.

[Jade]

Well...I tried to edit for fun the hair cut in the pic and I would say it's the old Max.

Edited pic (http://www.sharemation.com/jadedragon/edited.jpg)

[Chimera]

nice one Jade images/icons/smile.gif looks so much better with 'proper' hair

/me wonders if basky has got around to superimposing her face over Monas(?) yet images/icons/wink.gif

[biXen]

neeek: I hope you are kidding.

I'm not saying playing females or having females in important roles sucks because I don't like women, because I do. I'm saying it because the geeks who make games think women only are big tits and a nice ass (just look at Duke's babes) images/icons/smile.gif Because of that they only create annoying female characters, which I hate. Same goes for most movies. I can't list many un-annoying women in either games or movies to be honest.

I don't think it's Sami, but I hope I'm wrong. We'll see in a month or 3. If you dress up Clint Eastwood from the 70s and put the silhouette over that pic it's exactly like him. And they also said they'd use real actors for all roles this time, that's another reason why they might not use Sami.

[theHunted]

don't think you can tell anything about it just by those black and white lines. i also dont think it looks like Sam but that might be wrong.

anyway i remember remedy announcing "real actors" to be used as character models. because of the growing photorealism of games i thought this was quite predictible although i dont like that "progress". although propably none of the remedy staff will ever become model of the year or mr. universe, all of them look good enough for a computer game i think. you see those perfectly styled and perfect looking people every day in tv or ads. i kinda loved the mp1 characters because all of them have had their charme, while not being perfect (propably).

so i dont need no shitty hollywood beauties in a computer game. they should've spend the (the propably very high amount of) money on more important things.

[neeek]

"the geeks who make games think women only are big tits and a nice ass (just look at Duke's babes) Because of that they only create annoying female characters, which I hate."

how does having big tits and nice ass make them annoying? i dont get it. and anyway, i love it that they make them good hot in sum video games i mean like would you like it if they made duke nukem made the babes and strippers skinny and bony and FLAT?

besides, i love having 2 player games even if i have to play as a female, cos its a gameplay difference like when you play as a guy in whatever genre of games he would always be made to be stronger and a lil slower in his attacks as well as agility. whereas playing as females thesedays theyre made as quicker more agile but weaker in their attacks.

if the females in sum games turn out to be annoying it could be cos of the voice acting and how they move and animate.
btw mona sax did have a ponytail in the graphic novels. you just have to look again and see.

[SkavenRMD]

how does having big tits and nice ass make them annoying? i dont get it.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Maybe biXen not annyoyed by the T&A's themselves, but by the fact they're being shoved in your face, as if they were the sole reason you're buying the game? That they're used as a substitute for quality?

I would be annoyed by that too.

[LeadBullet]

Originally posted by SkavenRMD:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">how does having big tits and nice ass make them annoying? i dont get it.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Maybe biXen not annyoyed by the T&A's themselves, but by the fact they're being shoved in your face, as if they were the sole reason you're buying the game? That they're used as a substitute for quality?

I would be annoyed by that too. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Yeah like how they shoved those tits all over Unreal2 screens and movies. I forgot the name of the tits at the moment though. I think they were wearing a leather vest and a woman.

[biXen]

Originally posted by SkavenRMD:
Maybe biXen not annyoyed by the T&A's themselves, but by the fact they're being shoved in your face, as if they were the sole reason you're buying the game? That they're used as a substitute for quality?

I would be annoyed by that too. <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Exactemento. How many intelligent females are there in games vs. how many "kickass babes with big tits"? Still, the women in Max Payne was as they should be, so I guess it'll be the same this time around, I'm not worried images/icons/wink.gif

[neeek]

" but by the fact they're being shoved in your face, as if they were the sole reason you're buying the game? That they're used as a substitute for quality?

I would be annoyed by that too. "

i wouldnt mind if theyve shoved it in my face images/icons/smile.gif

if im buying a game then yeh it should b about the quality of the game. altho i must say, having T n A in game is a bonus images/icons/grin.gif

[Bruce Hamilton]

Originally posted by Tjals:
Hold on, didn't Mona die in MP1? <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Supposedly, but if you recall, Mona fell into the elevator as it was going up... When it came down, there was no body or blood in the elevator...

[Jade]

Originally posted by Bruce Hamilton:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Tjals:
Hold on, didn't Mona die in MP1? <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Supposedly, but if you recall, Mona fell into the elevator as it was going up... When it came down, there was no body or blood in the elevator... </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">She's not dead, look at the pic, the woman has a gun that looks a lot like a Desert Eagle...and I don't see why it should be another female character in the game.

[aavenr]

Getting back on topic, that wall sized poster was pretty much the only thing Max Payne 2 related for 99.9% of those of us who attended the show -I am not allowed to tell who was that lucky 0.1% but you are gonna hear from them soon-. I and Maniac were quite suprised once whe saw the poster, especially the "A Film Noir LOVE Story" bit. So what's the big deal with max's new girl guys? If anybody can pull this off on the plot with style is Sami Jarvi and all the Remedy guys. Besides, give the max a break, it has been a while since the last time had sex -no i mean heterosexual kind of sex, the prison love act doesn't count-. images/icons/grin.gif

So while we weren't able to get anything about MP2 we did managed to talk to Sami Jarvi, Mika Reini and Matias Myllyrinne from Remedy on the show. Pretty cool bunch of guys i may add. Wait till for sunday for the pictures.

[ 05-18-2003, 09:14 PM: Message edited by: aavenr ]

[poo_al]

Cate Archer from the NOLF series was a babe (but not overdone) and she was smart, etc. images/icons/smile.gif

[Mongorian]

true.

[Karthik]

Tell me something? What the hell did they show in E3 for MP2?

Please don't tell me that they only showed a psoter and a guy announcing it's coming to PC this fall!

[biXen]

Originally posted by Karthik:
Tell me something? What the hell did they show in E3 for MP2?

Please don't tell me that they only showed a psoter and a guy announcing it's coming to PC this fall! <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Can you read? They only showed the game to a highly select audience, that means the biggest PC mags. They probably did that because there was so many other games taking all the attention (Doom 3, Half Life 2 etc.)

[aavenr]

Originally posted by biXen:
They only showed the game to a highly select audience, that means the biggest PC mags. They probably did that because there was so many other games taking all the attention (Doom 3, Half Life 2 etc.) <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Very good point bix, that's as close as a reasonable explanation as I've yet to see. The show was truly full of gamestoppers.

And by the way, it seems to me like they are gonna really promote this one as we get near to the release date. I've been walking around LA this week and most of the big boulevards of the city have posters featuring MP2, it's basically the same poster you all saw at e3, on a much smaller scale though.

[ 05-22-2003, 01:42 PM: Message edited by: aavenr ]