View Full Version : Didn't Max get shot in the head?
porkchop_express
10-19-2003, 01:35 AM
Okay, unless I missed something, Max gets shot in the head at Mona's place (by Vlad). I know it's just a game, but it seems silly that he gets up and finishes the game after that kind of wound. A chest or stomach shot would have made more sense. Was this a glancing headshot, or are we being asked to suspend disbelief ALOT...?
MrUniq
10-19-2003, 02:12 AM
uhm....well....err..only one logical explaination....it's a game and Vlad is a horrible shot http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
EvilMonkey
10-19-2003, 02:18 AM
I think it fits perfectly
Max and Mona both noir lovers and both with bullets lodged in their skulls
Acleacius
10-19-2003, 03:34 AM
Actually Max gets shot twice by Winterson (sp), remember ER going Multpule gunshot wounds. Also bullets have been known to hit at a certian angle as to basicly deflect and not penetrate the skull. So he was definatly hit by 3 bullets http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
About Mona, dont remember her getting shot in the head in the first place, I played MP 1 this week, while waiting for MP 2 to hit the shelves. The sound effect of the bullet hitting Mona was more like a body wound, ie a deep thud. Remember he said there was lots of blood. Inside the skull is mostly water for shock absorbsion and conductivity. Headshots mostly dont bleed that much, it would be more like gray matter leaking out, euuuu http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Plus she said maybe its still there, doesnt mean it ever was or still is.
Do we actually see him getting shot in the head?
The "bullet in the head"-talk is metaphorical, as far as I'm concerned.
Fenris
10-19-2003, 11:19 AM
Max's bullet wound was on his left temple... I think there's a spot there were a bullet could glance off of and not penetrate the brain.
eggyolk
10-19-2003, 03:36 PM
I get shot all the time. Just push tab and you use the pain pills. Noob. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif
http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
porkchop_express
10-19-2003, 08:08 PM
I get shot all the time. Just push tab and you use the pain pills. Noob. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif
http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Uh, yeah. Good one.
My point was that there's a fine line to walk in the storytelling. You want to think that Max gets through everything because he's tough and determined, not because he's immortal. Getting shot in the head and then getting shook awake to continue on seems a bit much. The baseball bat scene from the first one was great in this regard...he got the sh*t beat out of him, but got up and continued. This is something that is a little bit more believable, and hence pulls you into the story more. If Max can't be killed by anything, then there's no reason to care what situation he gets into next. This is not a big deal or anything, but it's cool that the Payne series has enough story to even be able to raise issues like this...most action games don't.
eggyolk
10-19-2003, 08:54 PM
Yes, the baseball chair scene was gripping. I liked that scene. I understand what you are all saying, and I thought the same thing too.
I mean, it's a Desert Eagle too. High caliber hand cannon.
Acleacius
10-19-2003, 09:19 PM
Yes, he was shot in the head. He wasnt shaken awake, was resusitated. You must be skiping the movies http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif
We just dont know at this point and may never how it affected him, no it not metaphorical, not unless that is how you choose to view it. Yeah the caliber was serious if it would have gone in his head would be big hole where it came out . SO obviously it was deflected to some degree, posssibly by Max pressing his BT2 button jsut in time http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
berzerker8x
10-19-2003, 10:19 PM
Yes, he was shot in the head. He wasnt shaken awake, was resusitated. You must be skiping the movies http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif
We just dont know at this point and may never how it affected him, no it not metaphorical, not unless that is how you choose to view it. Yeah the caliber was serious if it would have gone in his head would be big hole where it came out . SO obviously it was deflected to some degree, posssibly by Max pressing his BT2 button jsut in time http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Haven't you heard, Max Payne has an adamantium endoskeleton.... sheesh
HAH, yeh he had a quick reaction time, just enough to use Bullet time 2.0 http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Desert Eagle comes commonly in .357 .44 and .50 (AE). Either one would've made max into a nice pizza pocket http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif but hey, the guy fell out of a 3-4 storybuilding while hitting things on the way down and he got up, started running and engaged in a gunfight. He was also shot several times, and again fell a big drop.. :P
Acleacius
10-22-2003, 12:03 AM
Well I replayed MP1 at the point of Mona getting shot and im a big dummy, cause I see it now, clearly shot in the head. Maybe no penetration (heh) but yup in the head, err trying to pull my foot out of my big mouth, doh http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Guest
10-22-2003, 12:28 AM
In my book, Vlad shoots Max right next to his right eye, cutting him rather badly. But Max survives nonetheless. The wound appears only after the cutscene in question. Or is my memory faulty once again?
jrjohns2003
10-22-2003, 12:56 AM
He says something like time slowin down yadadadada then vlad shoots at him. Only thing I can think of is like in that peice of crap movie Charlies Angel. WShere drew Barrymore supposedly gets shot only it missed her. get what im sayin?
Acleacius
10-22-2003, 01:13 AM
Well just watched it acouple of times and yes wond shows up after, looking at the wound looks like it grazed his left side http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Dang that was close thank goodness for BT2 http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Kazarak
10-22-2003, 09:04 AM
The truth is stranger than fiction. Didn't anyone read about the guy had the 10 inch drill in his head? Went through one eye and out the backside. There have also been many tales of people who were shot but didn't know it. I can remember one here in LA, a guy was getting persistent headaches and didn't know why. His doctor ordered xrays and they found a bullet in his head. Of course the odds are Max would be dead, but it's possible he could've made it.
porkchop_express
10-22-2003, 12:32 PM
The truth is stranger than fiction. Didn't anyone read about the guy had the 10 inch drill in his head? Went through one eye and out the backside. There have also been many tales of people who were shot but didn't know it. I can remember one here in LA, a guy was getting persistent headaches and didn't know why. His doctor ordered xrays and they found a bullet in his head. Of course the odds are Max would be dead, but it's possible he could've made it.
I didn't want to turn this into a reality check per se, but since you bring it up, there's a difference between the examples you give and getting shot in the head from 10-15 feet away (just speculation) with a Desert Eagle. The guy with the headaches was obviously shot with a .22 or something...there's plenty of cases where people survive even multiple headshots with a .22 (typically with ensuing coma or brain damage), but not the Eagle. It would take rather sizeable chunks out of your head. And did the guy with the drill in his head get up and fight crime right afterwards?
Despite all the nitpicking I'm doing, it obviously doesn't matter much to the game. It just seems like at every step, the writers need to walk that fine line between the unlikely but possible and the virtually impossible (for the reasons I stated above). This is especially true during the graphic novel segments...obviously during gameplay they have to make adjustments to reality (bullet time, surviving multiple gunshot wounds, using painkillers to treat wounds, etc.) to make the game fun. One thing I like about the Payne series is that they don't go overboard like John Woo or something. Remember the Killer when the hero gets shot in both eyes and survives? I don't want to see that happen to Payne.
jrjohns2003
10-23-2003, 12:21 AM
This guy that i've known since I was a kid got shot in the head I think 7 times. He is cool he owns a game shop in my town. He perfectly fine to he not retarded or anything.
Acleacius
10-23-2003, 01:14 AM
Well I hope you have that wrong, 7 times seems like a worlds record, thats more than alot. More than likly its a little story he loves to share with the kids http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
jrjohns2003
10-23-2003, 02:39 AM
no its true. He didt take all 7 at one time he got shot 2 or 3 different occasions. He finnally moved his store from that area so he straight now.
Mountain Man
10-23-2003, 07:55 AM
I took it that the bullet only grazed him. That makes the most sense. And I believe him later talking about the bullet in his brain is metaphorical.
Acleacius
10-23-2003, 10:38 AM
Me too because when Max was standing next to Vinnie at Mona's Fun House, when they Meet Vlaid, Max says I got a bomb ticking in my brain. Metaphorical.
holden
10-23-2003, 10:54 AM
Pfft, I've been shot in the head with Desert Eagles plenty of times, and I'm just fine, except for all this damn gray matter leaking out the exit wounds. But all I need to do is have a crazy dream sequence, and wake up in a hospital or something, and I'll be fine, right?
Fortune Hunter
10-23-2003, 11:21 AM
Since everyone is goind all realistic....
A bullet straint through your forehead at a parallel angle to the ground would punch a hole in your brain. You would also live through it with possible extreme pain and brain damage. The severity would depend on what areas it his because some deal with memory and others with motor funcitions, so you could come out numb, paralyzed or loose all memory. It wouldnt kill you because it wouldnt have hit the major bofily function controll center which is at the bottom of the brain.
People who comit suicide by a bullet through the temple have survived because again it didnt hit the MAJOR stuff.
And your brain can re-route the synapses.
There is also a chance that if it made a BIG enough hole and exposed your brain to the oxygen you would die.
BUT! If you wanna kill yourself shoot through the mouth because it will hit the stem and diconnect your brain from your C.N.S. THAT WOULD KILL YOU.
but in Max's case he was hit on the side of his head right above the ear and its probaly glanced his brain if it entered his skull.
just my 2 cents
joeyjord
10-24-2003, 08:29 AM
Uh, doesn't anyone rember the little "You can live a lifetime in a minute" Part? If you watch the movie closely, you will see he starts to fall right before he shoots, and the bullet just skims his temple, and that is why there was so much blood.
ShortDoh
10-24-2003, 09:08 AM
He got grazed by the bullet..enough said! He didn't have a full on, point-blank shot to his head otherwise no more Max Payne. It is possible to be hit even slighty from a bullet and live, but you would go into shock and start bleeding just like Max Payne.
homercles
10-24-2003, 09:41 AM
Exactly right on the "Just Grazed Hypothesis." I remember watching that cut scene (just yesterday) and Max's head makes a drastic movement to one side. As if he got hit in the chin with a baseball bat. If he got hit straight on with that Eagle he would have gone flying backwards, but instead all he got was a head turn and he fell straight down. Then when Mona revives him he has a wound on THE SIDE of his head. Seemed pretty clear to me and not outside of the "fantastic" realms of what Max is capable of.
bloodymax
10-25-2003, 02:21 PM
oh man you have to know i am a german and just thinkin about a ****in word which would explain what happened to max...hmmmm. ok when vlad shot him the bullet didn't go throw his head it just stretched (is this the right word) his head!! he was bleeding much but the bullet didn't hurt the brain
but this is just my version
eggyolk
10-26-2003, 12:26 AM
ok when vlad shot him the bullet didn't go throw his head it just stretched his head!!
Yep! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Let's be honest. Let's take you all out to the shooting range and shoot you, in the face, with a Deagle. Then, you can come back to the forums and say, "W0W N00bz i todl j00 i woudl l1ve! lolol"
But I'm not complaining. What the hell would have happened if Max died?!
Acleacius
10-26-2003, 01:12 AM
He means scratched http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Many reported cases of bullets grazing a persons head or any body part, gezz just look at the wound.
I dont think its necessary for any forum user to verify this http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif, hehe http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Etherealsilk
10-26-2003, 01:07 AM
This reminds me about the arguments that people would have over the usefulness of kevlar (spelling?) helmets in the Rainbow Six series. Some would say this, others would argue that. In the end, all arguments are moot because it doesn't matter what you think happened or not, the game is how it is no matter what.
poo_al
10-26-2003, 02:11 AM
I don't like how the blood is coming from the wrong side of the head. He was hit on his right side, but most of the blood is coming from his left temple.
Xenomrph
10-26-2003, 02:19 AM
I don't like how the blood is coming from the wrong side of the head. He was hit on his right side, but most of the blood is coming from his left temple.
No.. he was hit on the left side. I'm very sure of this.
poo_al
10-26-2003, 02:34 AM
I don't like how the blood is coming from the wrong side of the head. He was hit on his right side, but most of the blood is coming from his left temple.
No.. he was hit on the left side. I'm very sure of this.
How could he have been shot on the left side of his head and jerk his head to the right?
Xenomrph
10-26-2003, 02:41 AM
Reflex action? Maybe he tried to dodge the bullet? All I know is, every time I watched the cutscene (and the same scene in the trailer, even BEFORE I got the game) I got the clear and distinct impression that he got hit on the left side. And the blood only confirms that.
And didn't Mona crack him on the left side of the head as well? No matter how you cut it, he's going to be popping tylenols for weeks after.
Hope she was worth it, pal..... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nelson.gif
Acleacius
10-26-2003, 09:50 AM
If a bullet hits the left side of your head, then the force of the bullet (stronger than your head ) pushes your head as it hits (grazes).
We are not talking about this cause we think we are having an effect on the game but because we are trying to understand (rationalize) it.
porkchop_express
10-27-2003, 12:05 AM
Perhaps this thread is about done, but I'm with everyone on the grazing theory. My problem is more with the fact that Vlad grazed him from that distance. It would have made more sense if Mona busted in shooting or something, throwing Vlad's aim off. The man may not be a crackshot, but he does deal in guns after all...
FullMetalJacket
10-27-2003, 03:37 PM
The man may not be a crackshot, but he does deal in guns after all...
So? You could be an outstanding car salesman but also be a rotten driver.
And if I remember right, Vlad was shooting the Desert Eagle one-handed anyway. Good luck hitting anything like that. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/brickwall.gif
2pac2
10-27-2003, 08:08 PM
Hey man its a game max is the amin character!
Acleacius
10-27-2003, 10:33 PM
Yeah DE is a heavy hitter, with kick back.
It fits Vlads persona in MP2, egotistical, flamboyant and overconfident. Ie, using a bomb in a costume (mostly to entertain himself), not only was it one handed it was in motion-onehanded with a DE.
Twiddlenem
10-29-2003, 10:11 AM
So if the bullet only skimmed Max's head...why didn't Vlad finish him off? Did he assume he was dead?
Xenomrph
10-29-2003, 10:29 AM
So if the bullet only skimmed Max's head...why didn't Vlad finish him off? Did he assume he was dead?
He probably assumed he was dead. Again, Vlad's overconfidence in his own abilities.
porkchop_express
10-29-2003, 10:52 PM
He probably assumed he was dead. Again, Vlad's overconfidence in his own abilities.
I'm sure this is true, but stuff like this contributes to the overall cliched feel of the writing...this is stuff that '60s Bond villians did. "Ok, I just point my gun in a haphazard manner and pull the trigger...oh good, he fall down so I can assume it all went to plan..." (in Vlad's cheesy accent of course)
Twiddlenem
10-30-2003, 11:43 AM
I'm sure this is true, but stuff like this contributes to the overall cliched feel of the writing...this is stuff that '60s Bond villians did.
"No Mr. Bond I expect you to die." http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
porkchop_express
10-30-2003, 02:53 PM
"No Mr. Bond I expect you to die." http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Exactly...
Guest
11-01-2003, 09:05 PM
Quote: "And did the guy with the drill in his head get up and fight crime right afterwards?"
I think the only part of his (Guinne's) brain that was affected was in his front lobe (Sp?)... the logic part of the brain. And yes, he did something after, he filled out a sheet with how many people were at work. He could do pretty much everything you or I could (I guess).
And wasn't it a pry or crowbar? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinyted.gif
But then again, Max was only grazed by the cannon's bullet... :sigh:
Arkalius
11-07-2003, 02:12 AM
It is possible to survive a gunshot wound to the head... not very likely but it's possible. However a desert eagle of any caliber (it is chambered for magnum rounds) at that range would blow the back of your head off. However it's noir, and noir is a little surreal that way.
lolo603
11-07-2003, 03:11 AM
Okay, unless I missed something, Max gets shot in the head at Mona's place (by Vlad). I know it's just a game, but it seems silly that he gets up and finishes the game after that kind of wound. A chest or stomach shot would have made more sense. Was this a glancing headshot, or are we being asked to suspend disbelief ALOT...?
REASON 1:
ppl will most likely survive if the bullet didn't hit the vital parts of the brain providing it's not from a BIG gun... yes human are dumb, they still dunno how to maximize their brain usage yet...
and it make sense that max was able to finish the rest of the game coz our brain can't feel any pain...
REASON 2:
he is Max Payne... =P
Yes but he was shot twice, fell into the construction pit twice and was hit over the head by Mona. Man is tough, I'll grant you.....
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