Screenshots of Max Payne 2! [Archive]

06-24-2003, 06:20 PM

I don't know why, but Max looks totally different in the graphic novel shot than in the in-game shot with his face towards the camera. I like the graphic novel face, but I really dislike the face on the actual model. The graphic novel face looks a lot more like the old Max (a bit like Christian Bale, too).

EDIT: Just needed to add that Max's face looks too flat in the in-game shots. I wonder if the graphic novel shot is even depicting the same person.

FullMetalJacket

06-24-2003, 06:35 PM

Looks good. Not like the first game, where Max looked real and the enemies were, like, 1/3 as detailed as he was. At best.

Here, they all look f*cking real!!! images/icons/grin.gif

ShakeItBaby

06-24-2003, 06:44 PM

Looks good...but I miss the look of the old Max...

Kev_Boy

06-24-2003, 06:48 PM

Actually if he did sit in jail for years it's pretty cool to chance his face to an older person...it is afterall "the fall" of Max Payne.

/me hopes it ain't the last MP

Kev_Hectic

06-24-2003, 07:03 PM

Holy shit! That looks awesome! images/icons/grin.gif

I have to wonder if the characters have facial animations, they almost look like they do.

Yuri

06-24-2003, 07:09 PM

looks cool

he looks just like max would look, but like 20 years older

and the graphics are kickin'

Kev_Hectic

06-24-2003, 08:06 PM

Originally posted by Yenz:
two screens more

1 (http://www.maxpayneheadquarters.com/forums/files/max2.jpg)

2 (http://www.maxpayneheadquarters.com/forums/files/maxpayne2_2_118.jpg) The link to the first screen was broken, so I'll post it again here...

http://mysite.freeserve.com/12thMonkey/maxpayne2_3.jpg

Crashnet

06-24-2003, 08:16 PM

WOOOOOOOOOOOOW

FreDsom

06-24-2003, 08:33 PM

images/icons/blush.gif I'm almost cuming over here.. This looks very good

kemical

06-24-2003, 08:34 PM

woa.
these better not be pre-rendered.

Crashnet

06-24-2003, 08:41 PM

Originally posted by FreDsom:
images/icons/blush.gif I'm almost cuming over here.. This looks very good Ooooookayy...

Moving on...those look like in-engine shots to me. images/icons/smile.gif

Yatta

06-24-2003, 09:20 PM

Excellent screens!

KillJoy

06-24-2003, 09:53 PM

The graphics and texture quality look great, but it is really the animation that breates life into the characters. I hope they release a video soon.

The new face is great, but I still miss old maxey. Maxey, Maxey, Maxey...

fido

06-24-2003, 10:10 PM

Screenshots look good to me.

The photorealistic textures look decent. Glad they removed the pole from Max Payne's ass images/icons/wink.gif images/icons/grin.gif

Akari

06-24-2003, 10:41 PM

"Glad they removed the pole from Max Payne's ass "

So is Sam... images/icons/tongue.gif

0marTheZealot

06-24-2003, 11:41 PM

it looks stupid w/o Sam images/icons/frown.gif

It's like having Van Damme play the Terminator images/icons/frown.gif !

Akari

06-25-2003, 12:10 AM

Or worse...Ted for Bill and Ted's Exellent Adventure as Neo from the Matrix...oh wait...DEAR GOD! THEY DID DO THAT! WHAT HAS THIS WORLD BECOME OF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MikaRMD

06-25-2003, 02:36 AM

Some have asked the question whether the screenshots are pre-rendered or realtime.

All screenshots are realtime. We never do pre-rendered.

Prodigy

06-25-2003, 03:22 AM

Great ! I didn't expect less from Remedy/3DR images/icons/smile.gif

scorpian007

06-25-2003, 03:28 AM

I definately prefered the old Max, but the new engine looks promising images/icons/smile.gif

Kev_Hectic

06-25-2003, 03:54 AM

^It's not a new game engine Scorpian. They might have beefed it up for Max Payne 2, but people from Remedy has said before on these boards that they're still using the same one from MP1.

Boo Boo Juice

06-25-2003, 04:38 AM

and this is coming out this year? yeah, right. images/icons/tongue.gif

I don't know why, but because of Max's age in his face it, his look kind of reminds me of Humphrey Bogart. One of my favorite actors by the way. images/icons/smile.gif

[ 06-25-2003, 04:46 AM: Message edited by: Boo Boo Juice ]

Froz

06-25-2003, 05:20 AM

Looks totally sweet. BTW Do we have boned fingers this time? images/icons/wink.gif

Fekin

06-25-2003, 06:35 AM

Looks ok, but it won't be half as good with this new face and most probably new voice for Max.
With some luck they might come to their senses and use the original face of Max Payne and the voice, any other than that and it simply isnt going to be Max Payne.

Psyder

06-25-2003, 06:45 AM

Originally posted by scorpian007:
I definately prefered the old Max, but the new engine looks promising images/icons/smile.gif it's the old MaxFx
i think it will be called MaxFx 1.x
x= 1 ,2 ... 9

Ninja

06-25-2003, 07:14 AM

Hmmm, that motion blur effect looks nice, I wonder if they'll be any more eye candy changes for bullet-time (I assume the blur occurs when you go into BT...)

MikaRMD

06-25-2003, 08:13 AM

Originally posted by Ninja:
Hmmm, that motion blur effect looks nice, I wonder if they'll be any more eye candy changes for bullet-time (I assume the blur occurs when you go into BT...) Hmmm...the scans ARE quite blurry... images/icons/smile.gif

Jade

06-25-2003, 08:25 AM

Wow!!! Simply outstanding!!!!!!!! =-O
It will kick ass! images/icons/smile.gif

Mayur

06-25-2003, 11:27 AM

Damn! That was good!!!!

On the Sam Lake thingy, it could be dissapointing at first but we would soon get used to it and like it, when first saw max payne 1 I thought the guy looked quirky but I became used to it after some time....

Hmm.....I wonder what is Baskinator's reaction.....

|Mayur|

Hudson

06-25-2003, 11:37 AM

Originally posted by scorpian007:
I definately prefered the old Max, but the new engine looks promising images/icons/smile.gif I agree with Sam being the better Max. But alas theirs nothing that can be done about it (besides mods after its release). The engine does look very good even through some of the heavy compression on the images.. which is very impressive. This will be a great game.

xZero

06-25-2003, 01:24 PM

And speaking of Dead To Rights - it's coming to PC in fall. As we're going to get MP2 same fall, I would call that quite bad timing. Even MP1 beated it in almost all areas.

Jokke_r

06-25-2003, 01:32 PM

nope this maxpayne is definitely after maxpayne1 cos mona is in it. and there is no motion blur the scan is bad.

well thats all speculations but i belive it's so.

jimbob

06-25-2003, 01:32 PM

looks awesome, but i really do prefer the max from mp1 images/icons/smile.gif but then agian, i havent seen this max in action!

Nessus

06-25-2003, 01:40 PM

Now we know the characters look a lot better than the first game. I want to get a good look at the game world now, the shots arent enough to go by.

Claws

06-25-2003, 01:45 PM

Now here's the thing... Is it just the eye candy that is upgraded?? With the same old gameplay? Run around shoot people, get killed, reload... Cuz that got boring real fast.

Darkreaver

06-25-2003, 02:20 PM

The game does look good I have to agree and I'm sure the story will also be very good. But it won't, in my opinion, ever beat the first one simply because it's not the same face or the same voice.For me the REAL Max Payne has already fallen.

Crashnet

06-25-2003, 02:28 PM

Look at this though:

http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0SgAAANgW6VmcvyU24CNQfHVv6Q!EYncSbNEgE1z8hrHYWcsag GTLzSZMgrv7P*ucIjetc96l1ttwyMc0pnJLpyVnzBDByKOTDsY ZvaldkVcUiQ0SkxjO4w/MP2y.jpg?dc=4675427563071917867

Look at the facial features. He really does look the same, just a little older and with a little more weight.

Darkreaver

06-25-2003, 02:44 PM

^^You may be right but I still just can't swallow it. It's taking your favorite actor out of your favorite movie.

Variable

06-25-2003, 03:11 PM

Perhaps his look is important to his character development. The new Max looks much more mature; perhaps we'll see some of that as the plot progresses.

omnipresence

06-25-2003, 04:15 PM

Originally posted by Claws:
Now here's the thing... Is it just the eye candy that is upgraded?? With the same old gameplay? Run around shoot people, get killed, reload... Cuz that got boring real fast. Finally someone asks!

Is eye candy everything in a game? No. But it seems to be everything people get excited about. I mean...there's a 2-page thread and only ONE person asks about gameplay and story... images/icons/rolleyes.gif

Common guys, graphics will get better and better with every new game released, who cares? What about gameplay and story? When will developers start to improve these? Perhaps when you get excited about gameplay features and story, not about eye candy anymore.

the omnipresence in the wired

06-25-2003, 04:26 PM

Originally posted by Fekin:
Looks ok, but it won't be half as good with this new face and most probably new voice for Max.
With some luck they might come to their senses and use the original face of Max Payne and the voice, any other than that and it simply isnt going to be Max Payne. They are using the original voice.

mysteryperfecta

06-25-2003, 05:01 PM

Let's not kid ourselves. The new Max does NOT look like an older version of the first Max. Besides a somewhat similar haircut, the two look completely different. That side-by-side comparison proves it.

If Remedy was attempting merely an aged Max, they missed the mark completely. Not that I'm complaining-- if they have a good reason for the change, then I'm fine with it.

Dingdong

06-25-2003, 05:18 PM

Looks like Max changed his clothing style, too. He doesn't have a hawaiian shirt anymore and has a tie. I guess this MUST be several years after MP1.

ShakeItBaby

06-25-2003, 05:55 PM

Originally posted by Darkreaver:
^^You may be right but I still just can't swallow it. It's taking your favorite actor out of your favorite movie. Exactly. It's jarring like when they have a change of James Bonds.

George Broussard

06-25-2003, 05:59 PM

And yet they're on James Bond 21 images/icons/smile.gif

Presto

06-25-2003, 06:17 PM

I know you guys, Remdey i mean of course, are very hush-hush about what's going on, and probably for more then just to build excitement among the masses. But, please forgive me for asking, what kind of lighting system *may* be used. I'm not asking for a concrete answer or anything, but as long as you don't lie any answer will be accepted :-) Cheers guys.
Evan

Nessus

06-25-2003, 06:37 PM

By the looks of the shots the lighting looks the same. There are so many other questions about max though. Will he do some Kung Fu? Will the characters have facial animation? Will there be any new moves? Can you shoot in the air? Ok I think I'll stop now.

FullMetalJacket

06-25-2003, 07:11 PM

You could shoot in the air in the first game. All you have to do is shoot at a guy and not hit him. images/icons/grin.gif

KillJoy

06-25-2003, 07:49 PM

LOL FMJ!!!

I was thinking. If we had te new max in mp 1 and the old max in mp 2 we would be whining at how we want our old max back.. It is bound to happen, people don't want change.

So watch it.... You could be contradicting yourself in an alternate reality. (the one where you want the max from mp2 back into MP2 where the Old max used to be? I NEED ASPIRINE!!!!!!!!!!)

Crashnet

06-25-2003, 09:24 PM

Look at this:

MP1:
http://www.zdnet.com.au/gamespot/screenshots/graphics/20223643/thumb.jpg

MP2:
http://www.maxpayneheadquarters.com/forums/files/maxpayne2_2.jpg

Interesting... images/icons/smile.gif

fido

06-25-2003, 09:25 PM

Max Payne has the Poll removed from his butt and now everyone is in an uproar images/icons/tongue.gif . They could re-insert the poll but his expression would be even more anal than it was in the past images/icons/grin.gif

Perhaps if they just tacked on a goatee to the old Max Payne everyone would be happy. images/icons/smile.gif

Mongorian

06-25-2003, 09:43 PM

Its funny how good Max Payne 1 still looks in that screen shot.

Also i was just thinking, how awesome would it be if there are havoc physics on his coat? like clothing physics? images/icons/tongue.gif graemlins/love.gif

[ 06-25-2003, 09:51 PM: Message edited by: Mongorian ]

FullMetalJacket

06-25-2003, 09:59 PM

It'd be pretty freaking amazing, considering that Max's jacket's movements in the first game still look incredibly good and it was only hand-animated!

0marTheZealot

06-25-2003, 11:37 PM

I still don't even see WHY Remedy would have abandoned Sam Lake. I felt he did a fantasic job voice acting and providing the model for Max Payne.

Like others have said, he looks like a rendered Pierce Brosnan. I don't even think I'll play the game until someone mods in Sam Lake images/icons/smile.gif Don't get me wrong, the game looks incredible, but playing Max Payne w/o Sam is like watching Van Damme playing the T-800. Franchise names need familiar faces. I wouldn't have minded some photoshopping to make Sam appear "older." Replacing him is just ... wrong looking.

Anyways, I'm still buying this game the moment it comes out, but waiting for a Sam Lake mod:)

Mongorian

06-25-2003, 11:45 PM

I still don't even see WHY Remedy would have abandoned Sam Lake. I felt he did a fantasic job voice acting and providing the model for Max Payne.all he did was have his face scanned into the game. he did NOT do the voice acting, and the body type isnt really the same, either. Max payne has a bit more muscle images/icons/tongue.gif

SkavenRMD

06-26-2003, 12:01 AM

Franchise names need familiar faces.Like James Bond?

Mongorian

06-26-2003, 12:06 AM

we already talked about that images/icons/grin.gif

mysteryperfecta

06-26-2003, 12:16 AM

Originally posted by Ninja:
Hmmm, that motion blur effect looks nice, I wonder if they'll be any more eye candy changes for bullet-time (I assume the blur occurs when you go into BT...) Are you talking about the screen in which Max is diving to his left? Whatever it is (probably some Photoshop filter), it's not motion blur.

Bushido

06-26-2003, 12:41 AM

Those screens are stunning...just stunning. I can't wait for Remedy to deliver a REAL action game and put these "Dead to Rights" wannabes out to pasture...

Bushido

06-26-2003, 12:45 AM

and guys, I thought this sequel goes back to his days on the force, hence the whole love story thing. This would also explain the change in his facial expressions. He wouldn't be a hardened cop. He'd just be a regular guy...

DashFX

06-26-2003, 04:49 AM

Originally posted by 0mar:
I don't even think I'll play the game until someone mods in Sam Lake images/icons/smile.gif [.....] Anyways, I'm still buying this game the moment it comes out, but waiting for a Sam Lake mod:) LOL you guys are so CHILDISH go tell your mum instead of coming in the forum.... The new model is awesome. In some way he looks like a older max payne; he has in fact some similarities. Anyways I don't care..... the model rules, the screenshots rule, and if it is action-packed like the first one I'll buy 2 copies of the game ( like I did for the first: the english one and the italian one )

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Hankman

06-26-2003, 05:22 AM

Originally posted by DashFX:
LOL you guys are so CHILDISH go tell your mum instead of coming in the forum.... The new model is awesome. In some way he looks like a older max payne; he has in fact some similarities. Anyways I don't care..... the model rules, the screenshots rule, and if it is action-packed like the first one I'll buy 2 copies of the game ( like I did for the first: the english one and the italian one )I agree with this man. images/icons/cool.gif

Froz

06-26-2003, 06:04 AM

New pics?

http://www.maxpayneheadquarters.com/forums/files/rain.jpg
http://www.maxpayneheadquarters.com/forums/files/mac10.jpg

yossa

06-26-2003, 06:22 AM

w00t!

bullion

06-26-2003, 06:50 AM

cool! where are those from?

bullion

06-26-2003, 06:54 AM

http://www.maxpayneheadquarters.com/forums/files/terrorist.jpg
http://www.maxpayneheadquarters.com/forums/files/sawed-off.jpg

bullion

06-26-2003, 06:55 AM

and btw, these aren't scans, these are taken with a digital camera.

yossa

06-26-2003, 07:05 AM

2x w00t!

Marvel

06-26-2003, 07:08 AM

And I've been trying to tell people they're taken with a digicam - I mean, it's very obvious that's the only possibility (that they can't be scans).

Kev_Hectic

06-26-2003, 07:09 AM

Sweet images/icons/grin.gif

Whats up with the bald guy in the white coat? He looks like Max's partner in that one pic.

mixuk

06-26-2003, 07:25 AM

Kev,

Actually he's the new Max. You've all been mislead.

dark_angel

06-26-2003, 07:28 AM

^^^^^^^^^^
I loved the old MAX !

Kev_Hectic

06-26-2003, 07:44 AM

Originally posted by mixuk:
Kev,

Actually he's the new Max. You've all been mislead. Kick ass! He must of had a rough time in prison.

MikaRMD

06-26-2003, 07:55 AM

Originally posted by Kev_Hectic:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by mixuk:
Kev,

Actually he's the new Max. You've all been mislead. Kick ass! He must of had a rough time in prison. <hr /></blockquote>LOL

Wrathstalker

06-26-2003, 07:57 AM

Originally posted by Froz:
New pics?

http://www.maxpayneheadquarters.com/forums/files/rain.jpg
http://www.maxpayneheadquarters.com/forums/files/mac10.jpg Nice pics indeed!! Just one thing, there's a clipping bug in the first shot.. not that it matters much and you'll never be able to remove clipping completly... but look at how the Colt Commando clips through half of Max's hand in the first shot...

mysteryperfecta

06-26-2003, 08:18 AM

Originally posted by George Broussard:
And yet they're on James Bond 21 images/icons/smile.gif Bad example. It wasn't the Bond franchise's decision to change Bonds. Connery left that franchise. Did Remedy birth A.I. in Max, and their digital creation walked off the set?

Maybe the answer is that Sam Lake decided to nix a second go-around with Remedy, and took his likeness with him. I wouldn't know why, but maybe he didn't sign up for Max Payne 2. The only thing else I can think of right now (besides Max now looking like the actor portraying him in the movie) is that the person we're seing in those shots isn't Max, and that we play another character for a portion of the game.

There's got to be a logical reason behind the change. Otherwise, it's stupid. Why make him look completely different?

Qtipie

06-26-2003, 08:43 AM

sam lake still is the leadwriter, so it can hardly be said that he walked off and 'took his idea with him'. i have my own little theory: maybe it was never intended to model max payne after sam lake. maybe it was simply the easiest way in terms of the budget. first works rarely get the budgets they need and therefore they possibly put the idea aside of using professional actors. i somewhere snapped the information that all of the characters in mp I were modeled after family members, friends and colleagues of sam lake, which i guess he counted as a favor. i doubt they were paid for what they did. now, after the massive success of the first part, remedy surely had a little more money to spend and that’s why they probably hired professional actors – something they maybe wanted to do all along.

Komb.at

06-26-2003, 09:01 AM

Originally posted by Wrathstalker:
Nice pics indeed!! Just one thing, there's a clipping bug in the first shot.. not that it matters much and you'll never be able to remove clipping completly... but look at how the Colt Commando clips through half of Max's hand in the first shot... not wanting to sound smartassed, and i could be wrong, but wasn't the same colt clipping error in MP1? images/icons/grin.gif

D'Arcy

06-26-2003, 09:10 AM

Wow, nice screenshots! His facial expression even changes depending on the situation... cool images/icons/grin.gif

To be honest, the more I see the new Max, the more I like it. Sam Lake was like the younger and more rebel phase of Max´s life while this one is older, mature and deadlier http://forums.3drealms.com/ubb/icons/icon122.gif

shadow_ninja

06-26-2003, 09:15 AM

he was just makng a point ,that clippin is still present even in the new game! and you didnt see the butt of the mp5 half way in the bald guys chest.....did you....no you didnt! images/icons/grin.gif

ethan[imf]

06-26-2003, 09:29 AM

I can't help, but i see two different models.

is the guy with the beretta\sawed-off really the same as the one with the colt commando\pump gun\ingrams? the first one looks older, imho.

fido

06-26-2003, 09:29 AM

It's weird but the way the guys are holding their guns and the way their posture looks, seems almost exactly like in the Half-Life2 videos. The fat guy even reminds me of Barney. Also the vid captures seem done in the same style as Half-Life2, instead of just releasing regular screens. Coincidence? images/icons/tongue.gif images/icons/smile.gif

motionblur

06-26-2003, 10:29 AM

Eeewwww......

The graphics are brilliant but Max' face just doesn't look good, any more. It's so . ... well .. . .
I just don't like it images/icons/frown.gif images/icons/frown.gif
I'm sure it will be a cool game (and I surely will buy it) but Max isn't max, any more, to me. I find this somehow disappointing and it will surely take me quite some time to get used to it.

BTW about the James Bond discussion: I always loved about video/computer games that you did NOT have to change actors..

aavenr

06-26-2003, 10:40 AM

Just my personal opinion take on this guys but it seems like the last two shots feature a Max with a more than passing resemblance to the original Max Payne face and very unlike the 'older' Max on the first two shots. I think there's the possibility that there are two Max Payne models and that there are flashbacks within the game.

Pr0zac

06-26-2003, 10:41 AM

Man, if it was a woman and has its gorgeous face replaced with a blank texture I surely would whine a bit too images/icons/smile.gif

But, come on, you have to understand that time has passed and technology has improved so that they could build a more realistic face which still resembles Max.
You all forget about it when you'll see facial animations, intense gun-fights, kung-fu mods and ... jiggling boobs from the female models? images/icons/tongue.gif

hemlock_0

06-26-2003, 11:37 AM

Quote:"But, come on, you have to understand that time has passed and technology has improved so that they could build a more realistic face which still resembles Max."

Um...but Sami Jarvi IS Max, so how can this new face be more realistic?

That said, and I don't know if anyone has brought this up yet, I think that the story-reason for this change is that Max had to get plastic surgery as an easy way to deal with his past. I'm sure Woden would rather just pay for that and give a new identity than deal with all the legalities. He probably breaks Max out of Jail, gives him surgery, and then gets killed by someone who knows what has happened, forcing Max to hunt that person down before they blow his cover.

Or maybe Max just didn't feel pretty enough anymore...?

theHunted

06-26-2003, 11:45 AM

Originally posted by mysteryperfecta:
...There's got to be a logical reason behind the change. Otherwise, it's stupid. Why make him look completely different? Sam Lake is not an actor. to be honest, with the immense increase of photorealism in max payne 2 i can somehow understand that he didn't want to be the main face again, that can be seen in 1.000.000+ kids rooms by 1.000.000+ people. (if that has been a reason)

besides i'm quite sure the remedy guys (and especially sam) have had enough thoughts about a new thrilling storyline that will also reveal what happened, and why we are to play this (older) max now.
we'll see and get to play all of this soon enough. after almost 2 years of waiting now, another 3 months won't hurt i think. (at least me)

[ 06-26-2003, 11:48 AM: Message edited by: theHunted ]

Bushido

06-26-2003, 11:50 AM

and I do recall back in the hey day of Max Payne 1 that many MANY people made the 'ol "Max looks constipated" threads. I'm glad they went this route. You wont hear any more of that shit...

Soilwork

06-26-2003, 02:09 PM

Boo, bring back the old Max Payne!

Akari

06-26-2003, 02:17 PM

Yeah but the only problem dude is that his head is almost a completly diffrent shape...people's heads don't morph like that in only 7 years and when your an adult.

Bow

06-26-2003, 02:19 PM

it's absolutely the same with every other new game.... everybodies (ok, nearly everybody) complaining about the new look... and when it's out the whiners are quiet, only a very little group of people is still whining (those are the people that complain about every thing).... look at older FIFA (if you americans are interested in soccer games images/icons/wink.gif ) forums... it's the same with every game....

i like his new look.... and its clear that he gets older in prison.... let's wait for some animated stuff....

Soilwork

06-26-2003, 02:28 PM

Meh, who said he went to prision?

hemlock_0

06-26-2003, 02:40 PM

Hey, he's in the cop car, so I'm sure he goes to prison, although maybe only for a few minutes. images/icons/smile.gif

As for the whining, we'll stop whining eventually, but the issue will remain just as relevant. The point is that Sami is Max, and now we have to adjust to a new face *without having been given a reason for it*. If they told us why he looks different, even from a business standpoint (leaving out important story information), it would be easier to accept, I think. The new look is cool, but it's not Max - yet.

Bow

06-26-2003, 03:27 PM

Originally posted by Soilwork:
Meh, who said he went to prision? you played part 1? then you'd know....

or where is he going instead?!

Bow

06-26-2003, 03:28 PM

Originally posted by hemlock_0:
- yet. right. yet. so, wait along... nothing's finished yet...

Yatta

06-26-2003, 03:35 PM

Originally posted by Bow:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Soilwork:
Meh, who said he went to prision? you played part 1? then you'd know....

or where is he going instead?! <hr /></blockquote>Yes Max gets arrested in the end of the first game, so unless the second one begins with him having already escaped the police, there is little doubt that he won't start out in jail or some kind of punishment hall.

pmikhail

06-26-2003, 04:50 PM

Remember that Max had been going around killing off a whole bunch of criminals and that Max Payne originally was a cop. Perhaps this will be taken into account and Max will be hired as an undercover vigilante for the police, hunting down and killing the worst crims of New York.

Crashnet

06-26-2003, 05:20 PM

NICE SCREENS... images/icons/grin.gif

Soilwork

06-26-2003, 05:36 PM

Originally posted by pmikhail:
Remember that Max had been going around killing off a whole bunch of criminals and that Max Payne originally was a cop. Perhaps this will be taken into account and Max will be hired as an undercover vigilante for the police, hunting down and killing the worst crims of New York. Exactly, no one knows if he actually went to prision er not.

technically he didn't do anything wrong.

images/icons/grin.gif

How do we know that's Max Payne in these shots, maybe it's a friend?

er did Remedy already clear this up?

Either way, i'm sure Max Payne 2 is gonna be a great game, and i salute Remedy/3DR - you guy's definately got another winner on yer hands.

keep up the great work!!

images/icons/smile.gif

Agent J

06-26-2003, 05:49 PM

I'm also extremely impressed, however I'm also a bit disapointed about how the weapon/hand clipping still exists. I realize it will never be non-existant, but isn't there some way it can be brought down to a bear minimum?
Also, this might sound like a stupid question, but are the original animations from Max Payne 1 still being used?

[ 06-26-2003, 06:00 PM: Message edited by: Agent J ]

FullMetalJacket

06-26-2003, 06:14 PM

Well, Max is holding the Beretta in the same way, so the same shooting animations may be used, but that's no biggie.

It also uses Havok2, the world's most advanced physics engine, at least for the death animations (ragdoll physics!!!) which hopefully applies to things like Max's jacket and tie as well.

megarust

06-26-2003, 07:15 PM

Hmm...I need to see the game in action. Too blurry for me in those shots. I am a little bit disappointed with the new max, but I guess he'll grow on me. I liked the look of the faces in the first game (despite the expressions). I can't really describe why too well, maybe it involved the detail.

Also, I thought the graphics were very crisp in the first game. I hope they're as crisp this time around but I can't tell from the digicam screens now.

Mongorian

06-26-2003, 08:29 PM

To be honest, i was hoping for some sort of graphical revelation on Remedy's part. I was hoping the graphics would resemble something closer to the graphic novel.

But i'm not knocking the graphics. They are definetly images/icons/shocked.gif worthy.

aavenr

06-26-2003, 09:30 PM

Originally posted by hemlock_0:

As for the whining, we'll stop whining eventually, but the issue will remain just as relevant. The point is that Sami is Max, and now we have to adjust to a new face *without having been given a reason for it*. If they told us why he looks different, even from a business standpoint (leaving out important story information), it would be easier to accept, I think. The new look is cool, but it's not Max - yet. No offense but what you are saying there could hardly be any more unreasonable. Let me remind you those shots are illegal copies that some guy somehow managed to get from a magazine that wasn't even on circulation early this week. The NDA doesn't expire until tonight so those shots are leaked, illegal and obviously not an official release. The previews are still not out simply because the NDA hasn't expired yet so how the hell do you expect them to explain the reason for the change to you, (assuming they have to which i am not so sure of either)?

Remedy is the kind of company that won't reveal much beforehand so that when you play their games the experience is actually very refreshing. It's a very linear game so that counts a lot on how much you enjoy it.

[ 06-26-2003, 09:33 PM: Message edited by: aavenr ]

Gryph

06-26-2003, 09:57 PM

Wow. These are very nice shots. That picture where he is shooting that "terrorist" looks like its from MP1...oh well it doesn't matter. They could use the old engine and it would still be a fantastic game.

But it is quite depressing that the sequel is Max's great demise. It would have made a nice trilogy but I have absolutely no idea what the second game would be...perhaps Max in prison. You'd be able to bullet-time dodge anal raping.

Oh I hope MP2 doesn't have any nightmare scenes that go back into his prison days...especially those special shower moments. The trail of blood that he'll be running on won't be his child's...yuck.

Well keep up the good work Remedy. And I must say that I do like the new Max. You guys aged him very nicely and he looks very renegade cop-ish like Harvey Keitel in Bad Lieutanant, sorta...

Mongorian

06-27-2003, 12:07 AM

It concerns me that at least one of his hands clips on the gun model in each shot. images/icons/frown.gif

Remedy this situation!

MikaRMD

06-27-2003, 01:10 AM

Originally posted by aavenr:
No offense but what you are saying there could hardly be any more unreasonable. Let me remind you those shots are illegal copies that some guy somehow managed to get from a magazine that wasn't even on circulation early this week. The NDA doesn't expire until tonight so those shots are leaked, illegal and obviously not an official release. The previews are still not out simply because the NDA hasn't expired yet so how the hell do you expect them to explain the reason for the change to you, (assuming they have to which i am not so sure of either)?
[/QB]That is a very astute observation.

Akari

06-27-2003, 01:51 AM

"technically he didn't do anything wrong."

Yes he did. Killing no matter what is against any law. It is illegal to kill.

George Broussard

06-27-2003, 03:23 AM

>>There's got to be a logical reason behind the change.

Of course there is. I'm sure Remedy will fill people in, and I believe the previews offer some insights as to the decision. Have a little faith. It's all for the best.

It isn't as if people didn't comment on Max's face in the original images/icons/smile.gif

dark_angel

06-27-2003, 03:37 AM

when we will see previews for MaxPayne2 ?

pmikhail

06-27-2003, 04:02 AM

dark_angel, you either misworded your question or you haven't been paying attention to the countless posts mentioning the barrage of previews coming out in magazines this month.

Bow

06-27-2003, 05:40 AM

iam getting used to dark_angels senseless posts images/icons/wink.gif

so, the first magazine will be pczone? is it american or where is it published?

ethan[imf]

06-27-2003, 06:14 AM

uk ... and it's already out ... check deep six.

scorpion

06-27-2003, 06:37 AM

mp2 looks pretty promising

LeadBullet

06-27-2003, 06:50 AM

ARG, so I guess Max had to rot in jail for 20 years, and we will get to see that one chick come back with saggy tits. Though what I don't get is that Max had to be 25-30 in the first one, so even if he is older in this one, the changes in his face seem a little extreme.

BTW, is this "almost done" style media stuff? Or Half Life2 style "cya in 6 months" stuff? images/icons/shocked.gif

FullMetalJacket

06-27-2003, 08:43 AM

Akari,

It's quite legal to kill in self-defense. And hello? Cops and soldiers kill when they have to.

Bushido

06-27-2003, 11:25 AM

Originally posted by George Broussard:
>>There's got to be a logical reason behind the change.

Of course there is. I'm sure Remedy will fill people in, and I believe the previews offer some insights as to the decision. Have a little faith. It's all for the best.

It isn't as if people didn't comment on Max's face in the original images/icons/smile.gif My point exactly. Seems you really CAN'T please everyone. Take out the constipated look and they want it back...

LeadBullet

06-27-2003, 01:01 PM

The comments on the old face were of the expression and not the face itself. He looked perfectly fine in the sketches and everything, its just that it made no sense having him walk around with that expression on his face all the time.

Looking at this sketch now:
http://dynamic4.gamespy.com/~maxpayne/updown/files/maxpayne2_4_big.jpg

I think that looks fine. It looks like Max, but older. However in the ingame shots his head looks too wide, and the face doesn't quite match the sketch. The top of the head seems a little wide, and the eyes\eyebrows seem a little off.

Or maybe we are just getting a shot of the game head from a bad angle? images/icons/confused.gif

[ 06-27-2003, 01:04 PM: Message edited by: LeadBullet ]

06-27-2003, 02:27 PM

Originally posted by LeadBullet:
I think that looks fine. It looks like Max, but older. However in the ingame shots his head looks too wide, and the face doesn't quite match the sketch. The top of the head seems a little wide, and the eyes\eyebrows seem a little off.His hairline in the ingame shots is also totally different from the old Max. The new graphic novel shot looks like a weird mix of Max's old hairline and his new hairline.

Akari

06-27-2003, 02:41 PM

"It's quite legal to kill in self-defense. And hello? Cops and soldiers kill when they have to."

No not here. You can kill in self-defence you you have a high chance of being punished by law for killing. And he wasn't killing for self-defence...he was going after them, the bad guys, not vise-versa (well they were a little but you see what I mean.) In the US, criminals have the ability to actually CHARGE someone for hurting them even if they were breaking in there house ect. I know, it's weird.

hemlock_0

06-27-2003, 02:52 PM

aavenr QUOTE: "No offense but what you are saying there could hardly be any more unreasonable. Let me remind you those shots are illegal copies that some guy somehow managed to get from a magazine that wasn't even on circulation early this week. The NDA doesn't expire until tonight so those shots are leaked, illegal and obviously not an official release. The previews are still not out simply because the NDA hasn't expired yet so how the hell do you expect them to explain the reason for the change to you, (assuming they have to which i am not so sure of either)?"

-I am not saying that they have to, or should, tell us anything now - all I said was that the change is tough to accept when you don't know why it has happened. Of course they aren't going to give that kind of information at this point, but when they do it'll make the adjustment easier. Like you say, Remedy wont give much information until they are ready. I'm just not going to be happy with this change until I hear a good reason for it, that's all.

FullMetalJacket

06-27-2003, 03:28 PM

Thanks for clearing that up, Akari. images/icons/smile.gif

Hell, in my Law class this past year, one of the cases was a thug pulled a knife and tried to mug a guy, and the guy pulled out a MAC-10 "assault pistol" (their words -- it's actually machine pistol....actually, piece of shit machine pistol) and shot the assailant twelve times in "self-defense." images/icons/tongue.gif

aavenr

06-27-2003, 04:55 PM

Originally posted by hemlock_0:
I am not saying that they have to, or should, tell us anything now - all I said was that the change is tough to accept when you don't know why it has happened. Of course they aren't going to give that kind of information at this point, but when they do it'll make the adjustment easier. Like you say, Remedy wont give much information until they are ready. I'm just not going to be happy with this change until I hear a good reason for it, that's all. Fair enough. Now let's hope these mags start coming out soon. Can't wait to find out more about this game.

[ 06-27-2003, 05:13 PM: Message edited by: aavenr ]

Schuby

06-27-2003, 06:36 PM

where are the screenshots? =(

06-27-2003, 07:15 PM

Originally posted by Akari:
In the US, criminals have the ability to actually CHARGE someone for hurting them even if they were breaking in there house ect. I know, it's weird. Same here in Finland. The fun part is that if someone tries to hit you with a knife, it's okay to hit them back with a knife.. but let's say someone tries to beat you up just using their fists, if you hit them with a stick you'll be the one who ends up paying the check.

Thriller

06-27-2003, 08:20 PM

Originally posted by George Broussard:

It isn't as if people didn't comment on Max's face in the original images/icons/smile.gif Hey, it got you attention. Everyone wanted to see the man who just woudnt take a dump.

As for every hint of the direction of the sequel: wow. Im counting on this game.
Seems eveything 3DR touches turnes to gold. No dissrespect to Remedy though, I know they do the hard work.

LeadBullet

06-27-2003, 08:27 PM

Originally posted by LeadBullet:
BTW, is this "almost done" style media stuff? Or Half Life2 style "cya in 6 months" stuff? images/icons/shocked.gif Any word on this? images/icons/shocked.gif

George Broussard

06-28-2003, 03:51 AM

>>Seems eveything 3DR touches turnes to gold. No dissrespect to Remedy though, I know they do the hard work.

This is Remedy's baby. All the way. They deserve the lions share of the credit.

0marTheZealot

06-28-2003, 04:05 AM

In America, you are innocent till proven guilty, so far.

Meaning, you can't go around dispensing vigilate justice regardless of what you know they have done.

I don't see how Max could even get a deal. If you shot back at cops (in that one portion in the apartments), thats attempted murder on a pig. If you killed those druggies, that's plain murder.

I really don't see how him getting out of prison is going to be plausible. Wouldn't happen in real life images/icons/smile.gif

Jules Verne

06-28-2003, 04:29 AM

Here's what I think is wrong with the new Max: it doesn't fit Max Payne's personality.

The original Max had the looks of a haggard, haunted and nimble person (like Robert Patrick who played the T-1000 in Terminator 2). He's "seen the dark side of life".

The new Max looks like your average good-natured macho, jaw-like-a-bulldozer action-hero (think "Magnum"). He's only seen the inside of a gym.

06-28-2003, 04:40 AM

Originally posted by Thriller:
Seems eveything 3DR touches turnes to gold. No dissrespect to Remedy though, I know they do the hard work. I'd go more along the lines of "everything Remedy touches turns to gold, despite 3DR touching it". images/icons/tongue.gif

biXen

06-28-2003, 05:57 AM

Or everything 3DR touches causes DNF to be delayed images/icons/smile.gif

Jade

06-28-2003, 08:24 AM

The sketch is totally awesome! Looks like a Noir James Bond...but very beautiful. images/icons/smile.gif

Roger

06-28-2003, 09:40 AM

When I was looking at those, my mom thought those were photos. images/icons/grin.gif They look excellent.

Thriller

06-28-2003, 10:00 AM

Originally posted by George Broussard:
>>Seems eveything 3DR touches turnes to gold. No dissrespect to Remedy though, I know they do the hard work.

This is Remedy's baby. All the way. They deserve the lions share of the credit. Yes, yes, I know that. Thats why I added that last part.
But still, would the game have ever been done, hadnt 3DR been around I wonder?

yossa

06-28-2003, 01:18 PM

Originally posted by MikaRMD:
Just take a look at the earliest screenshots of Max Payne... URRRGGGHHH... images/icons/blush.gif Yes, yes... Does anybody know where can I find them? After a quick search on the forums, Deep Six and Max Payne Headquarters I came up with nothing... images/icons/frown.gif

aavenr

06-28-2003, 01:56 PM

Originally posted by yossa:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MikaRMD:
Just take a look at the earliest screenshots of Max Payne... URRRGGGHHH... images/icons/blush.gif Yes, yes... Does anybody know where can I find them? After a quick search on the forums, Deep Six and Max Payne Headquarters I came up with nothing... images/icons/frown.gif <hr /></blockquote>Try asking PayneReactor's biXen. He's got plenty of them. images/icons/wink.gif

MikaRMD

06-28-2003, 02:20 PM

I found some oldies here

MP Zone (http://maxpayne.gamigo.de/?zone=screenshots&max=57)

yossa

06-28-2003, 02:23 PM

Thanks Mika! images/icons/smile.gif

Mongorian

06-28-2003, 02:26 PM

unf unf @ old maxy graemlins/love.gif

dark_angel

06-28-2003, 02:33 PM

Whats that ! those are MaxPayne1 screenshots !

yossa

06-28-2003, 02:36 PM

Originally posted by dark_angel:
Whats that ! those are MaxPayne1 screenshots ! http://www.p0stwh0res.com/images/captainobvious.jpg

The Phoenix

06-28-2003, 02:43 PM

Lol nice picture fits perfectly

yossa

06-28-2003, 02:51 PM

Originally posted by The Phoenix:
Lol nice picture fits perfectly There's a picture for everything. images/icons/smile.gif
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shadow fox

06-28-2003, 02:54 PM

it looks like screwed up photos

Nessus

06-28-2003, 06:00 PM

It looks like they basically redid the whole game of MAX over again with the new tech. It makes me feel good for Duke how good that worked out.

Roger

06-29-2003, 12:14 AM

It may not have gotten the amount of publicity.

MikaRMD

06-29-2003, 12:41 AM

Originally posted by Thriller:
Yes, yes, I know that. Thats why I added that last part.
But still, would the game have ever been done, hadnt 3DR been around I wonder? In all honesty, Max Payne would probably not have been finished if 3DR hadn't been there. Or it would have been so different animal that it would hardly have had any resemblance to what came to be. Just take a look at the earliest screenshots of Max Payne... URRRGGGHHH... images/icons/blush.gif

MikaRMD

06-29-2003, 12:47 AM

Originally posted by MikaRMD:
Or it would have been so different animal that it would hardly have had any resemblance to what came to be. Just take a look at the earliest screenshots of Max Payne... This can be understood in multiple ways, so I'll clear right up what I meant: It could have happened that we would have had to ship the game in, say 1999 or 2000, due to lack of funding. It would have been totally different to what it was. Thankfully, Remedy and 3DR have such a great relationship that it allowed us to continue development Until It Was Done... images/icons/smile.gif

dark_angel

06-29-2003, 12:47 AM

it seems that Remedy had incorporated in Max some of the Features that DNF has already( like lips movements )

Gryph

06-29-2003, 11:23 AM

I remember the first screenshot of MP1 that I saw was the one where he's holding that silenced gun with those blocky-ass fists. I was hooked from that moment on. And now I am hooked on MP2. These next 2 years will be marvelous for PC games!

X-Vector

06-29-2003, 11:45 AM

You want old?

You got old!

http://www.gamesdomain.com/gdreview/zones/previews/oct97/max01.jpg

http://www.gamesdomain.com/gdreview/zones/previews/oct97/max02.jpg

From: http://www.gamesdomain.com//gdreview/zones/previews/oct97/maxpipe.html

Look for Max Payne to be released in late 1998.Heh.

Crashnet

06-29-2003, 03:30 PM

Originally posted by X-Vector:
You want old?

You got old!

http://www.gamesdomain.com/gdreview/zones/previews/oct97/max01.jpg

http://www.gamesdomain.com/gdreview/zones/previews/oct97/max02.jpg

From: http://www.gamesdomain.com//gdreview/zones/previews/oct97/maxpipe.html

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Look for Max Payne to be released in late 1998.Heh. <hr /></blockquote>That is what Max Payne looked like in the beginning?!

Do I hear a collective sigh of RELIEF that it wasn't released in THAT condition?!

biXen

06-29-2003, 04:58 PM

Crashnet: erm, have you seen how games looked in 97-98? It doesn't actually look that bad. Although the 2000 shots are mucho nicer of course.

sawn_off

06-29-2003, 05:07 PM

Great. Now for some original weapons. At least the Beretta model is fixed.

FullMetalJacket

06-29-2003, 05:11 PM

I wonder how long Hollywood -- and the game designers -- will be in love with that piece-of-shit Beretta.

Ever since its popularization in Lethal Weapon, everyone loves the Crapetta. images/icons/grin.gif

biXen

06-29-2003, 05:21 PM

FMJ: I think it's because most humans care more about the look of a gun than the power, since they'll never use one in real life anyway, and don't have to worry about anyone deflecting it's bullets with a paper like you so insightfully told us images/icons/tongue.gif

Mad_Max

06-29-2003, 05:24 PM

I was among the people who whined at Max's new look, but seeing these screenshots made me optimistic about MP2 again. Looks really cool!

The new Max in game looks better than in the first sketches we saw of him. He looks older and more mature now. As long than Max's voice isn't changing, this game will rule. images/icons/smile.gif

FullMetalJacket

06-29-2003, 05:35 PM

Originally posted by biXen:
FMJ: I think it's because most humans care more about the look of a gun than the power, since they'll never use one in real life anyway, and don't have to worry about anyone deflecting it's bullets with a paper like you so insightfully told us images/icons/tongue.gif You know what, man? You're absolutely right!!!

Consider, if you will, the average, layman action-film-goer:
He'll think it's entirely plausible for a character in a movie to hold a gun with his arm out to the side, hold the gun "Gansta style" (which not only is woefully inaccurate, but actually causes the bullet's path to curve), not even look at or aim at his target, shoot off a burst of automatic fire while running, all with no recoil, of course, and every one of his rounds will hit multiple enemies in the head from hundreds of yards away.

So, you're right. From Hollywood's perspective, it doesn't matter if it's practical or useful, but as long as it looks cool then it's A-okay. images/icons/grin.gif

Really! That's what they think.... images/icons/smile.gif

06-29-2003, 07:15 PM

Originally posted by biXen:
FMJ: I most humans care more about the look of a gun than the power, since they'll never use one in real life anyway images/icons/tongue.gif actually a signifficant amount of people in the world have fired/used guns.

06-29-2003, 07:45 PM

Originally posted by M:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by biXen:
FMJ: I most humans care more about the look of a gun than the power, since they'll never use one in real life anyway images/icons/tongue.gif actually a signifficant amount of people in the world have fired/used guns. <hr /></blockquote>..at training targets. Most people haven't fired guns at other people and will never need to. So they don't really give a shit if gun A is better/worse at killing people than gun B.

And before anyone says "but hunter's kill animals with guns, they care".. No one hunts with a handgun, okay? (or should I say, no one sane) That's what rifles are for.

FullMetalJacket

06-29-2003, 08:09 PM

And even having fired guns doesn't mean much. You might not know much about them.

As I think biXen said back when MP1 came out, he wore a T-shirt with a Ferrarri on it, and had maybe even driven a Ferrarri, but knew nothing about its engine. Or something. images/icons/tongue.gif

Thriller

06-30-2003, 12:46 AM

Originally posted by MikaRMD:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Thriller:
Yes, yes, I know that. Thats why I added that last part.
But still, would the game have ever been done, hadnt 3DR been around I wonder? In all honesty, Max Payne would probably not have been finished if 3DR hadn't been there. Or it would have been so different animal that it would hardly have had any resemblance to what came to be. Just take a look at the earliest screenshots of Max Payne... URRRGGGHHH... images/icons/blush.gif <hr /></blockquote>I try to give credit where credit is due, so I thought it would be unfair not to mention 3DR as well, even though they didnt do the actual work.

A bit of topic, but I want to take the oppurtonity to congratulate you guys on a great game. One of few games I can play without the stressing feel of "wasting time".

BTW, Im usually not the first one to make jokes about 3DR but I found something kind of funny in that article:
And working with 3D Realms has been an absolute blast, with their experience and guidance we simply cannot go wrongimages/icons/grin.gif thats almost sig material.

[ 06-29-2003, 12:49 PM: Message edited by: Thriller ]

0marTheZealot

06-30-2003, 03:27 AM

berreta 92sf is a great gun man

FullMetalJacket

06-30-2003, 09:04 AM

No it's not. You didn't even spell it right. images/icons/tongue.gif

Sure, it has a "high capacity" magazine, but you'll need every bullet you can get when you consider the laughably low stopping power of the 9mm round. Now, some might argue, "A headshot is a headshot," but then those are often the kind of people that fail to realize just how friggin' hard it is to get a headshot, especially while running and jumping around. images/icons/grin.gif
Plus, the pistol has very awkward sights, and a difficult-to-reach safety that's on the slide rather than the frame. It jams frequently, and because the pissant 124-grain bullet holds so little powder, it's very easy to load just a little less -- or more -- gunpowder than you're supposed to when you're reloading your bullets, putting new primers in the casings and all that. And this can make the bullet go "pop" rather than "bang" and it will become lodged in the barrel -- in which case you'd have to field-strip the pistol, and use a hammer-and-chisel method to literally pound the bullet out of the barrel.

But hey, it's okay, because the Beretta looks cool. images/icons/grin.gif

Warmaster129

06-30-2003, 09:14 AM

/lookslikemp1constipatedmaxonlysmiling
I go on a SHORT vacation and friggin' MP2 SCREENSHOTS pop up when i'm gone?!?!

Bow

06-30-2003, 09:38 AM

@ FMJ:

Where do u know all that from? really interesting!
u own a beretta?

ADM

06-30-2003, 10:08 AM

FMJ is our local gun nut images/icons/wink.gif

Pr0zac

06-30-2003, 10:29 AM

Question for the developers: does/can Max "squint" when he fires?

FullMetalJacket

06-30-2003, 10:39 AM

To Bow, and ADoomedMarine,

Yes, and hell yes, respectively. images/icons/grin.gif

And Pr0zac, I imagine Max would squint when he fires, as he did in the first game -- remember, Max only made the "constipated" face when he fired.
And in Indiana Jones and the Emperor's Tomb, Indy squints and bares his teeth, almost snarling, when he throws a punch or fires a weapon. Since MP2 will be several months more recent, I can't see why they wouldn't incorporate a similar system. images/icons/smile.gif

Pr0zac

06-30-2003, 10:52 AM

FullMetalJacket, I agree but in the new screenshots it doesn't look like he's "making the constipated face" when firing images/icons/grin.gif

FullMetalJacket

06-30-2003, 11:12 AM

Pr0zac,

Max made the constipated face in the first game. We know that's out. images/icons/grin.gif
Max hopefully will squint somewhat while firing. Here's hoping he doesn't make an even sillier face. images/icons/tongue.gif

Pr0zac

06-30-2003, 11:21 AM

...if he does he'll need brown pants images/icons/wink.gif

Labrat

07-01-2003, 04:18 AM

Wow, awesome.

Joe Siegler

07-02-2003, 03:31 PM

SRTDeagle

08-05-2003, 12:26 AM

Max's face isn't that bad. It doesn't remind me of someone constipated. He looks like he's going nutts with rage and anxiety. They did an excellent job with it. It makes him look tough. As for the new face... it really doesn't bother me. It's not the face that makes the game... it's the elements such as story, gameplay, graphics, etc... Having a new face that people aren't used to shouldn't make a person complain. I will agree that Sam Lake was a great model for Max, however, in Max Payne 2, Max has aged a bit and with the hell he's been through I don't think he'd look the same. I don't think you people really know how difficult it is to make a game. It requires a lot of talent, time, and money. If you all were working for game companies, we wouldn't have people bitch about a face not being the same as before. Ignorance is bliss.

- (SRT)-DEAGLE
"Special Response Team"

Presto

08-05-2003, 10:49 AM

Well one thing about maxes look, i think, is that Sam lakes face is actually rather thin. if you look at graphic novel pages, Max's face is rather narrow, long, and well, young. In the game, the head is bigger to emphasize proportions, but using a similar skin again still doesn't give the right look when things are out. This head looks like it fits a little more, and the more graphic novels we see, i'm sure they will fit moe there, too! images/icons/smile.gif
Cheers!

Evan

wwall

09-04-2003, 12:12 AM

3 new Screenshots to MP2:

Klick! (http://maxpayne.g2h.de/index.php?&news_id=289)

hemlock_0

09-04-2003, 02:13 AM

These look more like in-game shots, with a less-than-perfect look, but they are still great. I like the shots that show a little visual inconsistency more, since you get a better idea of what the game is really like; no game has perfect graphics all the time. When it looks too good, it's hard not to get suspicious. images/icons/smile.gif

eggyolk

09-04-2003, 04:03 PM

Originally posted by Presto:
Well one thing about maxes look, i think, is that Sam lakes face is actually rather thin. if you look at graphic novel pages, Max's face is rather narrow, long, and well, young. In the game, the head is bigger to emphasize proportions, but using a similar skin again still doesn't give the right look when things are out. This head looks like it fits a little more, and the more graphic novels we see, i'm sure they will fit moe there, too! images/icons/smile.gif
Cheers!

Evan Blah blah blah. I'm still going to download a replacement Sam Lake skin whenever it gets made. images/icons/tongue.gif

scorpion

09-04-2003, 04:07 PM

ic no point, the cutscenes will still have the new guy and in the game you will see the back of his head 80% of the time.

eggyolk

09-04-2003, 05:10 PM

Yes, but pausing the game and taking a screenshot of Max bored out of his mind shooting a sawed off shotgun doesn't suit my signature uses. images/icons/tongue.gif

Joe Siegler

09-04-2003, 05:13 PM

http://www.rockstargames.com/maxpayne2/ss/screen_s08.jpg

I love the irony of Max standing in front of a "Dead End" sign.

Also, am I reading too much into the graffitti? Are the Remedy guys Kiss fans? There's grafitti in that shot on the wall behind the thugs behind trashcans that says "Kiss 77"

poo_al

09-04-2003, 09:09 PM

http://www.rockstargames.com/maxpayne2/ss/screen_s14.jpg

I like Bravura's lunch. images/icons/grin.gif

Kev_Hectic

09-04-2003, 09:57 PM

^ Nice! images/icons/grin.gif Those screenshots are new to me.

I was expecting LT. Bravura to look alot different though, his voice in MP1 makes him sound like that stereo-typical New York cop in Die Hard 2.

eggyolk

09-04-2003, 10:01 PM

He was in the first one. At the very end if I recall.

Well, his comic impression.

Kev_Hectic

09-04-2003, 10:10 PM

^ I didn't notice, or maybe I forgot. It's been a long time since I played the game all the way through to the end.

Qtipie

09-05-2003, 01:02 AM

Originally posted by Joe3DR:

Also, am I reading too much into the graffitti? i doubt it. i've been reading an essay about max payne written by some guy a while ago, according to which fairly everything in max payne has a meaning, or deeper meaning than meets the eye. he cross-referred to movies (of course), theatre plays, writers, philosophers and even political history. a 22 pages long, fascinating read. if just half of it is true, i'm impressed (especially by sam lake). otherwise this guy's smoking too much pot images/icons/wink.gif

PlayfulPuppy

09-05-2003, 01:47 AM

Is it me or has Max gone from "OH GOD THERE'S A BEE IN MY EYE" to a stunned mullet impersonation?

FullMetalJacket

09-05-2003, 10:53 AM

Originally posted by Qtipie:
i've been reading an essay about max payne written by some guy a while ago, according to which fairly everything in max payne has a meaning, or deeper meaning than meets the eye. he cross-referred to movies (of course), theatre plays, writers, philosophers and even political history. a 22 pages long, fascinating read. if just half of it is true, i'm impressed (especially by sam lake). otherwise this guy's smoking too much pot images/icons/wink.gif I'd very much like it all the same if you could link me to this essay. images/icons/smile.gif

And Bravura appeared several times in the first game. We didn't see him in person until the very end, but we also saw him on the TV, where Max commented on his unusual eating habits... images/icons/grin.gif ....and we heard Bravura's voice many times. It's been said that all the voice actors are returning, so I don't see why Bravura's voice would be different this time around. And I don't want to hear people complaining about how the new Bravura looks like the dad of the first one images/icons/rolleyes.gif After all, he only appeared in the graphic novels and there was no ingame model of him. images/icons/smile.gif

Kev_Hectic

09-05-2003, 09:18 PM

A few months ago one of the remedy people (I think it was Skaven) posted a link to that essay. It was that one in PDF format, if I'm not mistaken.

I need to refreshen my memory of Max Payne, maybe play though it again.

Kevin's girl

09-06-2003, 11:37 PM

Yeah Qtipie do you think you could post a link? I would like to read that even if some of it may not be true. images/icons/smile.gif

megarust

09-07-2003, 09:54 PM

Originally posted by poo_al:

I like Bravura's lunch. images/icons/grin.gif Reminds me of a quote from MP1, it went something like this:

"Beyond his unusual eating habits, i always thought bravura was one of the good guys"

images/icons/smile.gif

Qtipie

09-08-2003, 12:39 AM

Originally posted by Kevin's girl:
Yeah Qtipie do you think you could post a link? I would like to read that even if some of it may not be true. images/icons/smile.gif the website has been down for quite a while now so unfortunately there's no link, sorry. i do have that file as a word document, so if you still like to have it i could send it via email anytime. just wink images/icons/grin.gif

Boo Boo Juice

09-08-2003, 02:26 AM

http://www.geocities.com/j_ekis233/maxpayne2_081303_002.txt
I never saw this picture, but it's my favorite one now images/icons/grin.gif

SkavenRMD

09-08-2003, 02:43 AM

Oh, the essay / analysis is still there. It's the item #7 in this webpage (http://www.efn.org/~dredmond/penguin.html).

megarust

09-08-2003, 02:51 AM

A good caption for that last pic would be "I'm getting too old for this shit".

FullMetalJacket

09-08-2003, 09:23 AM

Originally posted by megarust32:
A good caption for that last pic would be "I'm getting too old for this shit". Umm, no. He looks no older than forty. My dad is still in the Army. He's in Iraq right now, I'll post a pic later...he's 45 going on 46 and his body and heart rate are still the envy of many men half his age.

So stop acting like Max is some feeble old geezer. He's probably in better shape than you are. If he were real anyway. images/icons/tongue.gif

Samji

09-08-2003, 09:30 AM

I wonder how much older Max is meant to be in MP2 anyway. He certainly looks older than he did in MP1.

No offense antended to the dude who isn't Sam Lake.

FullMetalJacket

09-08-2003, 09:36 AM

He doesn't look THAT much older. It's not like Max was 18 before and is 58 now.

He looked about in his early 30s already in the first game. He looks maybe 40 now.

Crashnet

09-08-2003, 09:58 AM

Originally posted by Boo Boo Juice:
http://www.geocities.com/j_ekis233/maxpayne2_081303_002.txt
I never saw this picture, but it's my favorite one now images/icons/grin.gif WOW...thats all I can say...WOW

hemlock_0

09-08-2003, 11:15 AM

He looks like he's made out of clay in the above pic.

Chimera

09-08-2003, 11:28 AM

wow. you can even see the veins in the back of his hand images/icons/shocked.gif

FullMetalJacket

09-08-2003, 01:37 PM

Originally posted by megarust32:
Stop acting like i'm one of the people that is complaining about how old max looks. He just looks tired, and that was a line from leathal weapon that the guys would say when they looked tired and worn out like that. Let's not ruin this thread with bitterness, i was only teasing in the first place. Thank you!
Look, I'm sorry. I WAS a little out of line. I'm just a little fed up with all these people bitching about "OMG are u left handed i like fairies bc they are for fagz and why isnt max looking like sam lake about to take a sh!t this game doesnt look as good as hl2 so it is t3h sux" and crap like that. images/icons/tongue.gif

Joe Siegler

09-08-2003, 02:17 PM

Originally posted by FullMetalJacket:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by megarust32:
Stop acting like i'm one of the people that is complaining about how old max looks. He just looks tired, and that was a line from leathal weapon that the guys would say when they looked tired and worn out like that. Let's not ruin this thread with bitterness, i was only teasing in the first place. Thank you!
Look, I'm sorry. I WAS a little out of line. I'm just a little fed up with all these people bitching about "OMG are u left handed i like fairies bc they are for fagz and why isnt max looking like sam lake about to take a sh!t this game doesnt look as good as hl2 so it is t3h sux" and crap like that. images/icons/tongue.gif <hr /></blockquote>Yet you expound on all the minutae of every single gun ever made, you're just as guilty, but of a different thing - the point is there's too much bitching. Remedy has asked that no further discussions on Max's new look be made, and if it continues, I might have to get out the ax on some people's accounts. Please stop it, everyone. Let this line of discussion die - do not reply to this msg or any of the other Max new look things in this thread. The only reason I don't lock it outright is that there's a good amount of stuff in this thread.

megarust

09-09-2003, 12:17 AM

Originally posted by FullMetalJacket:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by megarust32:
A good caption for that last pic would be "I'm getting too old for this shit". Umm, no. He looks no older than forty. My dad is still in the Army. He's in Iraq right now, I'll post a pic later...he's 45 going on 46 and his body and heart rate are still the envy of many men half his age.

So stop acting like Max is some feeble old geezer. He's probably in better shape than you are. If he were real anyway. images/icons/tongue.gif <hr /></blockquote>Stop acting like i'm one of the people that is complaining about how old max looks. He just looks tired, and that was a line from leathal weapon that the guys would say when they looked tired and worn out like that. Let's not ruin this thread with bitterness, i was only teasing in the first place.

Skitso

09-10-2003, 04:14 AM

So we can still discuss the screens and the over all look of the game in this thread? Well, the game looks simply astonishing, but has anyone else noticed how amateurish and out of the place the McDonald's meal look on the Lt. Bravuras desk? I really hope it's just a place holder. But why would Remedy (who has always mastered the art of perfect screens) show us an incomplete material in the official screen shot?

biXen

09-10-2003, 06:24 AM

It's a screenshot. When things are moving around it may not look that odd at all. I noticed the same thing though, the low amount of polys are very clearly apparent in that shot.

Samji

09-10-2003, 07:59 AM

maybe he's had some plastic surgery or something?

SkavenRMD

09-10-2003, 08:00 AM

Ha-humpfh.

Reminds me when someone complained about the bottom side of a (flying) car not looking realistic, when a batch of Max Payne 1 screenshots came out a long time ago, before the game was out.

And then? When the game is out, nobody paid attention to the car's bottom side. So trust me, no-one will give a rat's ass if Bravura's meal looks angular (unless they want to appear on-screen as the Nitpicky Comic Book Guy in The Simpsons). You're just focusing your attention on a few details on a few scanty screenshots now, because you haven't yet seen the full game.

You'll see... soon enough. images/icons/wink.gif

*gets back into crunch mode*

Qtipie

09-10-2003, 09:22 AM

Originally posted by SkavenRMD:
You're just focusing your attention on a few details on a few scanty screenshots now, because you haven't yet seen the full game.
thanks for reminding us, bleh! we're bored. it's still soooooo long till the payne errr game gets released. i'm not surprised that people complain about his burger not looking tasty enough. i can see them all sitting in front of their computers, picking their noses and observing the available screenshots in search of details nobody's found so far. there's nothing else left to do, anyway.... images/icons/frown.gif

[ 09-10-2003, 09:26 AM: Message edited by: Qtipie ]

theHunted

09-10-2003, 10:41 AM

~1 month to go. i'm sure we'll get a nice trailer soon images/icons/smile.gif

FullMetalJacket

09-10-2003, 01:06 PM

Originally posted by theHunted:
~1 month to go. i'm sure we'll get a nice trailer soon images/icons/smile.gif To be honest I'd rather have Remedy spend the home stretch polishing and perfecting the game rather than assembling trailers. images/icons/smile.gif

biXen

09-10-2003, 01:19 PM

Rockstar assembles trailers, for the nth time in here... images/icons/smile.gif

theHunted

09-10-2003, 01:23 PM

Originally posted by FullMetalJacket:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by theHunted:
~1 month to go. i'm sure we'll get a nice trailer soon images/icons/smile.gif To be honest I'd rather have Remedy spend the home stretch polishing and perfecting the game rather than assembling trailers. images/icons/smile.gif <hr /></blockquote>no need to worry then images/icons/smile.gif
as far as i've heard, (i think it's been mentioned here before) rockstar is responsible for creating the trailer.

megarust

09-10-2003, 01:57 PM

I've been thinking about this. Is that outdoor light creeping through bravura's back window? Are we going to see sunlight in this game? I actually liked not ever seeing sunlight in the first one, it added to the atmosphere.

Skitso

09-10-2003, 02:27 PM

I'd hate to be so picky about that burger but still... who in the right mind would put a burger full of ketchup, dressing, mayonnaise, grease and all the other messy stuff on a pile of supposedly very important papers? No plate, no wrappings, no nothing. Just a hamburger on the sheets.

Looks just so stupid as all the other details looks so polished. And I might add that this is a bit different than the car issue in first Max Payne for that detail was visible only in a short explosion scene that you couldn't keep staring for a long time.

As a game developer myself, I do know that even the simplies and smallest games have gazillion little details to take care of before shipping... So having all set in a HUGE game like MP2 the work load must be overwhelming. Keep up the work and deliver! images/icons/wink.gif

hemlock_0

09-10-2003, 08:48 PM

LOL, maybe the catsup has physics (havok-catsup) and will spray onto the papers when he takes a bite. images/icons/smile.gif

SkavenRMD

09-11-2003, 01:02 AM

Megarust32... in Noir York, the sun never shines. (except, maybe sometimes, in happy flashbacks of times long gone)

*takes off the stupid sunglasses, in that case*

MikaRMD

09-11-2003, 03:39 AM

Originally posted by Skitso:
I'd hate to be so picky about that burger but still... who in the right mind would put a burger full of ketchup, dressing, mayonnaise, grease and all the other messy stuff on a pile of supposedly very important papers? No plate, no wrappings, no nothing. Just a hamburger on the sheets.

Looks just so stupid as all the other details looks so polished. You are assuming too much.

Keep up the work and deliver! images/icons/wink.gif Thanks! We will. images/icons/wink.gif

FullMetalJacket

09-11-2003, 10:51 AM

Originally posted by MikaRMD:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Keep up the work and deliver! images/icons/wink.gif Thanks! We will. images/icons/wink.gif <hr /></blockquote>Yes! I can sleep better tonight. images/icons/grin.gif

megarust

09-12-2003, 10:59 AM

Originally posted by SkavenRMD:
Megarust32... in Noir York, the sun never shines. (except, maybe sometimes, in happy flashbacks of times long gone)

*takes off the stupid sunglasses, in that case* Good to hear images/icons/smile.gif

maxpayne.co.uk

09-13-2003, 10:17 AM

I don't know if these have been posted yet, (I havent looked thoroughly through this thread) but here they are anyway:

Picture 1 (http://www.absolutemaxpayne.co.uk/1.jpg)
Picture 2 (http://www.absolutemaxpayne.co.uk/2.jpg)
Picture 3 (http://www.absolutemaxpayne.co.uk/3.jpg)

Yatta

09-13-2003, 10:22 AM

Originally posted by absolutemaxpayne.co.uk:
I don't know if these have been posted yet, (I havent looked thoroughly through this thread) but here they are anyway:

Picture 1 (http://www.absolutemaxpayne.co.uk/1.jpg)
Picture 2 (http://www.absolutemaxpayne.co.uk/2.jpg)
Picture 3 (http://www.absolutemaxpayne.co.uk/3.jpg) Tehy're new! Thanks for the heads up. images/icons/smile.gif