Max Payne 2 [Archive] - 3D Realms Forums

snakeboy_1986

06-25-2003, 04:27 AM

Well, we got some screenshots from the game... Cool, it's really cool. People's faces looks promising, anyway, well see...
Max looks kinda old on the screenshots... Maybe he was in the jail too much...
Some people thought that MP 2 will be game which explains what happend before MP 1... But now, with "old" Max, there'll no be such thing...

I'm GLAD because MAIN company involved in MAX PAYNE is RAMEDY... If it's 3DREALMS, we could wait for YEARS ( you know DNF game images/icons/grin.gif )

What do you think about MAX PAYNE 2?

Psyder

06-25-2003, 04:31 AM

i don't think he went to jail , Wodden sayd he would take care of it .......
i can't harly wait to see what Sam Lake cooked up for the story
but i have one recomandations :
- the game shouldent be soo linear
-the game sould be longer , no focused on kill everything that moves , but more dramatic ..... with level where you have to use your brain in stead of your hand to kill everything .....
- it should be more 'today' using fowl language ..... you know the F word ...... ot would be more real , but no excessive , like in KingPin .....
- it should keep the same dark humour that was used in the original MP

[ 06-25-2003, 04:36 AM: Message edited by: Psyder ]

0marTheZealot

06-25-2003, 11:07 AM

linearity works for Max Payne

last thing you want to do when gunnin down drug dealers and such is to go to the grocery store and buy some milk. Or visit a titty bar for some kicks. Linearity works in this type of game.

Mayur

06-25-2003, 11:18 AM

i don't think he went to jail , Wodden sayd he would take care of it .......Or maybe Woden double crossed him and Max escapes from jail....hell he fight just fight his way out of the car! images/icons/grin.gif

|Mayur|

Mongorian

06-25-2003, 01:13 PM

Its impossible to judge max payne 2 yet, in my opinion.

I'm GLAD because MAIN company involved in MAX PAYNE is RAMEDY... If it's 3DREALMS, we could wait for YEARS ( you know DNF game images/icons/smile.gif )THAT was funny. images/icons/rolleyes.gif

[ 06-25-2003, 01:17 PM: Message edited by: Mongorian ]

SkavenRMD

06-25-2003, 01:16 PM

Fowl language? As far as I know, "cock-a-doodle-doo" is a C-word, not an F-word.

Mongorian

06-25-2003, 01:19 PM

- it should keep the same dark humour that was used in the original MP
I guess i missed that part of the game images/icons/tongue.gif

Seriously, what dark humor?

neeek

06-25-2003, 01:29 PM

Originally posted by SkavenRMD:
Fowl language? As far as I know, "cock-a-doodle-doo" is a C-word, not an F-word. lol thats a good one. images/icons/grin.gif

omar, linearity is all fair and well but you want to have total freedom and choice of how to approach a scene or enemy or a gang and not just resort to just one and only way.

Nessus

06-25-2003, 01:42 PM

Hopefull if he went to jail he learned martial arts..........................

Joe Siegler

06-25-2003, 02:54 PM

I'm GLAD because MAIN company involved in MAX PAYNE is RAMEDY... If it's 3DREALMS, we could wait for YEARS ( you know DNF gameFor the record, both 3DR & remedy are serving in the same capacity as we did for Max Payne 1.

ethan[imf]

06-25-2003, 03:33 PM

concerning woden:
don't forget that max found candy dawn's (i think that was the name) video of woden in an office of this inner circle building ("just in case"). i think he'll use it to make woden take care of him.

i wouldn't mind if the gameplay stays the same. i've played mp three times, and it didnt' get boring at all. the great level design together with the awesome screenplay created an atmosphere ... just perfect. and now havoc ... images/icons/smile.gif

Nessus

06-25-2003, 10:17 PM

With physics now we can bowl over enemies in shoot dodge mode instead of going through them.

pmikhail

06-25-2003, 10:38 PM

I hope we can hug a wall and shoot around corners, that always looks very cinematic and cool.

By the way, what exactly is the point of this thread?

KillJoy

06-25-2003, 10:49 PM

I was wondering the same thing....

Since when did ramedy come in and take change instead of reme..(pauses). Right. A typo.

Right.

Qtipie

06-26-2003, 12:30 AM

Originally posted by Mongorian:
Seriously, what dark humor? i guess he meant the sarcasm (> "he had a baseball bat and i was tied to a chair. pissing him off was the smart thing to do.")

Bushido

06-26-2003, 12:49 AM

I'm sticking with my "Max's past" storyline. Think about it, there so many ways you could take the story of how he met his wife. And with him working Vice they could throw a lot of varied missions are way like bank robberies, hostage situations and shit. Well, I'm probably wrong, but who's to say there won't be a Max Payne 3? images/icons/wink.gif

pmikhail

06-26-2003, 04:47 PM

That baseball bat level has to be one of the coolest of any game, ever!

Bow

06-27-2003, 05:30 AM

Originally posted by Nessus:
Hopefull if he went to jail he learned martial arts.......................... yeah. and hopefully he learned to live the life of a buddhist or something...

nooo, max payne uses guns... for martial arts you can still use kung fu 3.0 or sth.

LeadBullet

06-27-2003, 07:20 AM

I just hope they have better character animations this time. The original looked great, but the animations made the bots look retarded at times.

Or it might not have been the animations themselves but the lack of enough movement specific animations which made sudden turns and stuff for bots look very awkward.

FullMetalJacket

06-27-2003, 08:49 AM

As far as I know, every animation in the first game was done by hand. I have no idea if there's any motion capture this time. Max's running around and the way his jacket flapped looked awesome. The only animations that bugged me were the death animations, but MP2 will have highly sophisticated ragdoll physics thanks to Havok2.0 !! images/icons/grin.gif

06-27-2003, 10:09 AM

Originally posted by FullMetalJacket:
I have no idea if there's any motion capture this time.They are using motion capture this time around.

snakeboy_1986

06-29-2003, 07:11 AM

Originally posted by Joe3DR:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />I'm GLAD because MAIN company involved in MAX PAYNE is RAMEDY... If it's 3DREALMS, we could wait for YEARS ( you know DNF gameFor the record, both 3DR & remedy are serving in the same capacity as we did for Max Payne 1. <hr /></blockquote>Yeah JOE, but you know, DEVELOPER IS RAMEDY, company which success is based on MAX PAYNE. They simply DO they work, and "we" will get news about Max Payne 2, screenshots and everything else. That's fair, I think...
About DNF: Do you really think that you are "cool" for simply "when it's done" thing.

For exemple, there's VALVE. They TOLD and INFORMED us some monhts before HL2's release. HL 2 was "dead" project and nobody expected anything... Then, ONE DAY, Valve SHOWN their project and everyone's amazed. Why 3DR didint do such thing? As you know, HL 2 was made for few years, and NOW we are all happy about it, coz we simply KNOW that project is almost DONE. That is trick about games that "must" be made for few years...

What about you? We didint get "anything" since 2001. NOTHING. After swithing engine to UNREAL thing, you could simply keep your mouth closed. And then, when game's release is near, you could simply BLOW "us" with news, profiles, characters, weapons... Point of this is NONE. There is no POINT about DNF cause, we dont know anything...

What about this - everyone "guess" some thing about DNF... Will it have that kind of guns, levels, but AS I SAID, nobody knows anything about it... What's the satisfaction in THIS?!

I'm tired of this. I talk too much maybe, but I like to tell what I think, ESPECIALLY when I know that my post will be "destroyed, deleted, that kind of thing... "

Once again: MAX PAYNE 2 is DIFFERENT than DNF. Developer is RAMEDY. They TOLD US the YEAR of release about MAX PAYNE, in MAX PAYNE 2 too.

My warning and my opinion: DO NOT INVOLVE "RAMEDY" in WHEN IT'S DONE THING! You told that for DNF game. DONT do it with game which is not yours...

Snake

ADM

06-29-2003, 07:39 AM

Actually Snakeboy it's Remedy and 3DRealms IS involved in Max Payne 2. They're publishing it.

Chillout abit.

biXen

06-29-2003, 08:06 AM

/me chuckles

aavenr

06-29-2003, 08:17 AM

Originally posted by ADoomedMarine:
Actually Snakeboy it's Remedy and 3DRealms IS involved in Max Payne 2. They're publishing it.
Pubishing it? I think they mainly produce, assist and advise Remedy. Noy sure if 3DR helps to fund the game but they definitively don't publish it. Take 2 is the actual publisher, they handle the distribution, the marketing, etc

ADM

06-29-2003, 08:25 AM

Ahh I must be mistaken.

Never the less they do support Remedy and help them out for the better.

snakeboy_1986

06-29-2003, 10:08 AM

As I know, RAMEDY and ROCKSTAR GAMES develope MAX PAYNE, 3DREALMS is only publisher...

06-29-2003, 10:14 AM

Originally posted by snakeboy_1986:
As I know, RAMEDY and ROCKSTAR GAMES develope MAX PAYNE, 3DREALMS is only publisher... Are you for real?

As stated above, Take 2 is the publisher, Remedy is the developer and afaik 3DR is helping out with the development (providing testing, giving tips and whatnot).

ADM

06-29-2003, 10:20 AM

Remedy. Remedy. Remedy. Remedy. Remedy. Remedy. Remedy. Remedy. Remedy. Remedy.

Also.

3D Realms. 3D Realms. 3D Realms. 3D Realms. 3D Realms. 3D Realms. 3D Realms. 3D Realms. 3D Realms.

heh

biXen

06-29-2003, 11:52 AM

No no, it's Ramedy... ROFL

snakeboy_1986

06-30-2003, 03:05 AM

So, what's the role of ROCKSTAR GAMES in MAX PAYNE game... ?

Qtipie

06-30-2003, 03:22 AM

are you on something? you seem slightly upset...

06-30-2003, 04:36 AM

Originally posted by snakeboy_1986:
So, what's the role of ROCKSTAR GAMES in MAX PAYNE game... ? They handled the console ports of MP1 and some of the sounds, if I'm not completely mistaken. I think they'll be handling the console ports this time around too.

bullion

06-30-2003, 04:42 AM

i think rockstar handled producing of the voice-overs and photoshootings for MP1.

this time they'll also do the motion capture (i think, not sure of course...)

snakeboy_1986

06-30-2003, 06:54 AM

Originally posted by Qtipie:
are you on something? you seem slightly upset... If you are so interested, I'm on my GIRLFRIEND ( actually hour ago images/icons/wink.gif )

snakeboy_1986

06-30-2003, 06:56 AM

Guys, another thing. How can 3DR publish some game... They dont have money for their OWN game ( DNF ). That's why they made Duke Nukem MP...

biXen

06-30-2003, 07:02 AM

Hello? Anybody home? 3DR IS NOT Publishing Max Payne or Max Payne 2, they are simply assisting in the development and helping them with testing and so on. Besides, 3DR does have money from all the Duke things sold over the years, so don't worry.

Mongorian

06-30-2003, 07:05 AM

Originally posted by snakeboy_1986:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Qtipie:
are you on something? you seem slightly upset... If you are so interested, I'm on my GIRLFRIEND ( actually hour ago images/icons/wink.gif ) <hr /></blockquote>Good lord, don't tell me you're breeding.

Bow

06-30-2003, 07:34 AM

lol, Ramedy- haha

Qtipie

06-30-2003, 07:43 AM

Originally posted by snakeboy_1986:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Qtipie:
are you on something? you seem slightly upset... If you are so interested, I'm on my GIRLFRIEND ( actually hour ago images/icons/wink.gif ) <hr /></blockquote>errr....shouldn't you be relaxed then?
you write like the muppet show's animal drums.

ethan[imf]

06-30-2003, 08:21 AM

some news from the german pc games:

according to Petri Jarvilehto, the story is goinig to be told more frequently with ingame cutscenes. the sketches are only going to be used between the levels. (there's a new screenshot of one sketch in the mag showing max that's quite similar to the old max ... looks like a hybrid of max payne and pierce brosnan. i like it. this leather jacket fits perfectly ...)

furthermore, the player is obviously going to be able to swith into firstperson while using some weapons, as known from GTA.

06-30-2003, 08:37 AM

Originally posted by bullion:
i think rockstar handled producing of the voice-overs and photoshootings for MP1.Photoshootings? If you mean the photos they used for textures, no, I'm pretty sure those were taken by people from Remedy (they actually travelled to NY just to take a shitload of pictures). And if you mean the photos that were used as the basis for the graphic novels, no, those were taken in Finland.

Jade

06-30-2003, 09:21 AM

Originally posted by ethan[imf]:
some news from the german pc games:

according to Petri Jarvilehto, the story is goinig to be told more frequently with ingame cutscenes. the sketches are only going to be used between the levels. (there's a new screenshot of one sketch in the mag showing max that's quite similar to the old max ... looks like a hybrid of max payne and pierce brosnan. i like it. this leather jacket fits perfectly ...)
Handle sketches or filtered photos?

Warmaster129

06-30-2003, 09:29 AM

Originally posted by Mongorian:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by snakeboy_1986:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Qtipie:
are you on something? you seem slightly upset... If you are so interested, I'm on my GIRLFRIEND ( actually hour ago images/icons/wink.gif ) <hr /></blockquote>Good lord, don't tell me you're breeding. <hr /></blockquote>Bah, all the children they have will just be more Darwin Award winners.
www.darwinawards.com (http://www.darwinawards.com)

The Darwin Awards honor those who improve our gene pool... by removing themselves from it.
An example, a guy finds out, after regaining conciousness(sp?) in the hospital, that the answer to his question is 10 feet. His question turns out to be:
If I shoot a propane tank, then light my lighter and get closer and closer to it slowly, how close will I have to get before it explodes?

*cough*LOL*cough*

ADM

06-30-2003, 09:56 AM

Originally posted by snakeboy_1986:
Guys, another thing. How can 3DR publish some game... They dont have money for their OWN game ( DNF ). That's why they made Duke Nukem MP... 3D Realms are self-funded.

Another thing they didn't make Duke MP, Arush did. 3D Realms just licensed it out to them.

ethan[imf]

06-30-2003, 10:51 AM

Originally posted by Jade:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by ethan[imf]:
some news from the german pc games:

according to Petri Jarvilehto, the story is goinig to be told more frequently with ingame cutscenes. the sketches are only going to be used between the levels. (there's a new screenshot of one sketch in the mag showing max that's quite similar to the old max ... looks like a hybrid of max payne and pierce brosnan. i like it. this leather jacket fits perfectly ...)
Handle sketches or filtered photos? <hr /></blockquote>well, you're right, of course these filtered photos we've already seen ... i suppose.

snakeboy_1986

06-30-2003, 02:27 PM

Originally posted by biXen:
Hello? Anybody home? 3DR IS NOT Publishing Max Payne or Max Payne 2, they are simply assisting in the development and helping them with testing and so on. Besides, 3DR does have money from all the Duke things sold over the years, so don't worry. If you ever PLAYED Max Payne, you can SEE in INTRO sequel PUBLISHED by 3DR... Same thing is with M P 2...

ethan[imf]

06-30-2003, 02:32 PM

Originally posted by snakeboy_1986:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by biXen:
Hello? Anybody home? 3DR IS NOT Publishing Max Payne or Max Payne 2, they are simply assisting in the development and helping them with testing and so on. Besides, 3DR does have money from all the Duke things sold over the years, so don't worry. If you ever PLAYED Max Payne, you can SEE in INTRO sequel PUBLISHED by 3DR... Same thing is with M P 2... <hr /></blockquote>i think it's "produced by" ...

06-30-2003, 02:48 PM

Originally posted by Jade:
Handle sketches or filtered photos? I'm pretty sure they'll be hand painted just like in Max Payne 1.

biXen

06-30-2003, 03:19 PM

Originally posted by snakeboy_1986:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by biXen:
Hello? Anybody home? 3DR IS NOT Publishing Max Payne or Max Payne 2, they are simply assisting in the development and helping them with testing and so on. Besides, 3DR does have money from all the Duke things sold over the years, so don't worry. If you ever PLAYED Max Payne, you can SEE in INTRO sequel PUBLISHED by 3DR... Same thing is with M P 2... <hr /></blockquote>Oh right, you would probably know this better than me, I think you need to check that CREDITS SEQUENCE better after your English apprehension course images/icons/rolleyes.gif

aavenr

06-30-2003, 04:39 PM

Took upon the task of translating some points of the PC Games article based upon Max Payne Zone's take on it. Makes for a good read so I'd recommend to check it out:

www.planetmaxpayne.com (http://www.planetmaxpayne.com)

06-30-2003, 05:48 PM

Muchos gracias señor aavenr.

EDIT: "The widely criticized graphic novels are gonna be replaced, either by black and white comic strips on some parts and by ingame cutscenes on others."

Why, dear god, why? Those were the best parts! images/icons/mad.gif

Atleast tell us they've replaced the people who did the cutscenes with someone competent.

EDIT2: "..and Remedy's Petri Jarviletho, Project Leader for Max Payne 2.."

That's Järvilehto.

EDIT3: Typo.

[ 06-30-2003, 05:59 PM: Message edited by: j ]

biXen

06-30-2003, 06:12 PM

I think Markus Mäki is Project Leader, Petri Järvilehto is Lead Game Designer for Max Payne 2.

aavenr

06-30-2003, 08:47 PM

Originally posted by biXen:
I think Markus Mäki is Project Leader, Petri Järvilehto is Lead Game Designer for Max Payne 2. You know what bix? I also thought Markus Maki was Project Lead. The MP Zone news post however says "Projektleiter" which translates to project leader/manager. Might be their bad...

J: No problem, glad somebody appreciates the effort images/icons/grin.gif

snakeboy_1986

07-01-2003, 04:04 AM

Originally posted by Qtipie:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by snakeboy_1986:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Qtipie:
are you on something? you seem slightly upset... If you are so interested, I'm on my GIRLFRIEND ( actually hour ago images/icons/wink.gif ) <hr /></blockquote>errr....shouldn't you be relaxed then?
you write like the muppet show's animal drums. <hr /></blockquote>Well, you know, after sex you have some... FANCY ideas about everything, so I told "you" everything I meant. Point was not to upset somebody, just to see your reaction, offcourse little number or nobody agrred with me images/icons/wink.gif

snakeboy_1986

07-01-2003, 04:15 AM

Originally posted by biXen:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by snakeboy_1986:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by biXen:
Hello? Anybody home? 3DR IS NOT Publishing Max Payne or Max Payne 2, they are simply assisting in the development and helping them with testing and so on. Besides, 3DR does have money from all the Duke things sold over the years, so don't worry. If you ever PLAYED Max Payne, you can SEE in INTRO sequel PUBLISHED by 3DR... Same thing is with M P 2... <hr /></blockquote>Oh right, you would probably know this better than me, I think you need to check that CREDITS SEQUENCE better after your English apprehension course images/icons/rolleyes.gif <hr /></blockquote>I'm not guy which play one game hundreds of times like you or anyone else like you... It's enough to pass the game 3 or 4 times for complete satisfation, and that's really enough. So, I'm not interested in CREDITS sequence in ANY game...

When you explain the difference between PUBLISHER and PRODUCER, you'll win images/icons/smile.gif
As I know, Publisher OR Producer GIVE their MONEY for GAME or MOVIE develop ( I am sure for publisher but, producer can be the same thing with same meaning ). Correct me if I'm wrong...

biXen

07-01-2003, 08:42 AM

Actually I've only fully played through Max from start to end once, so can't quite follow you, I hardly play games. I just happen to not talk about something unless I'm pretty sure I know what I talk about images/icons/smile.gif

pro·duc·er ( P ) Pronunciation Key (pr-dsr, -dy-, pr-)
n.

1. One that produces, especially a person or organization that produces goods or services for sale.
2. One who supervises and controls the finances, creation, and public presentation of a play, film, program, or similar work.

publisher

\Pub"lish*er\, n. One who publishes; as, a publisher of a book or magazine.

MikaRMD

07-01-2003, 08:49 AM

Originally posted by j:
Muchos gracias señor aavenr.

EDIT: "The widely criticized graphic novels are gonna be replaced, either by black and white comic strips on some parts and by ingame cutscenes on others."

Why, dear god, why? Those were the best parts! images/icons/mad.gif

This is some kind of translation error or misunderstanding. Graphic novels are clearly an essential part of Max Payne, although they are going to be used a bit differently. EDIT: this time around.

aavenr

07-01-2003, 09:14 AM

Originally posted by MikaRMD:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by j:
Muchos gracias señor aavenr.

EDIT: "The widely criticized graphic novels are gonna be replaced, either by black and white comic strips on some parts and by ingame cutscenes on others."

Why, dear god, why? Those were the best parts! images/icons/mad.gif

This is some kind of translation error or misunderstanding. Graphic novels are clearly an essential part of Max Payne, although they are going to be used a bit differently. EDIT: this time around. <hr /></blockquote>I apologize for the mistake then. Really tried to nail everything right but it seems that small bit slipped away. I have just edited the news post to reflect your correction. Thanks Mika. images/icons/wink.gif

And on a more personal note, that's great news. I am a BIG fan of the graphic novel feature on Max 1. It just wouldn't be the same without them.

[ 07-01-2003, 09:17 AM: Message edited by: aavenr ]

07-01-2003, 09:21 AM

Originally posted by MikaRMD:
This is some kind of translation error or misunderstanding. Graphic novels are clearly an essential part of Max Payne, although they are going to be used a bit differently. EDIT: this time around. Whew, thank god.

MikaRMD

07-01-2003, 09:43 AM

Originally posted by aavenr:
I apologize for the mistake then. Really tried to nail everything right but it seems that small bit slipped away. I have just edited the news post to reflect your correction. Don't worry aavenr, I am sure it wasn't your translation error. Just some other misunderstanding. It seems that the German text does have similar wrong information. My mighty high-school German gives me that much understanding of the pieces of text at MPZone... images/icons/smile.gif

[ 07-01-2003, 09:47 AM: Message edited by: MikaRMD ]