The reason for the new Max

[scorpian007]

I got my latest issue of PC Powerplay (I think it's the biggest gaming mag in Australia) and they have a 'World Exclusive' preview of MP2. I'll quote a bit which says why they changed Max's face for Max Payne 2.

... I direct my next question at [Sam] Lake. So, Sam, I suspect you're the man to ask about this. Why has max got a different face?
Lake grimaces. He knew this question was comming. "Well, he's been through a lot, and we wanted that to show on his face. He's not significantly older, but time has passed..."
"Having your family killed and going on a revenge spree through New York can make you subjectively a lot older, as well" Jarvilehto adds... <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Well there you have it.

There is a little more but I'm kinda tired now. I'll post it later on. images/icons/grin.gif

[M]

that sounds like a poor excuse to change max's face. not that i'm upset that it's different.

[scorpian007]

Bah I'll post the rest now.

Do you think it might end up confusing people, since he really does look quite different?
"I don't know" answers an honest Lake. "You have to take into account that technology has moved forward, so the face and animation is a lot more detailed. It would make him look different in any case. And this time around, we have also been fortunate from the beginning of the project to have the opportunity to case professional actors for the roles. That's really something we've been very, very happy about." <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">

[scorpian007]

I really liked the old Max better. The new one just doesn't have the same effect. But I'll play the game anyway because I loved the first images/icons/smile.gif

[Qtipie]

^^ copy that.

thanks for sharing! images/icons/smile.gif

[snakeboy_1986]

Yeah, you're right scorpian... Max Payne in second game looks kinda VERY OLD, almost like grand-pa... images/icons/smile.gif
They could simply "make" face from MAIN SCREEN in MAX PAYNE 1. Max looks great there, and it would be cool to see him that way... But now, it's late for that images/icons/wink.gif

[ADM]

Ooh I gotta get myself a copy of PCPowerplay tommorow!

Thanks for that scorpian007!

PCP is pretty cool (apart from the run in I had with them about a year and a half ago related to these forums).

[scorpian007]

^ What happened?

[EDIT] Oh and by the way, that issue might not be out yet since I am subscribed I get it earlier then the newstands but see if it's there anyway.

[Jade]

TGM sais almost the same. It's not a poor excuse...that fit better the new Max.

[Soilwork]

So, they casted a new actor for the roll..

i'm guessing the same actor will play Max Payne in the movie aswell.

makes sense.

[ADM]

scorpian:

http://forums.3drealms.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=4;t=003363#000000

It ended up being a VERY big discussion, half of it non-related to the issue at hand images/icons/wink.gif

Anyway yeah I'll check the newsagent tommorow.

[biXen]

mysteryperfecta: allright, that's enough of your bullshit right now images/icons/tongue.gif

[SkavenRMD]

mysteryperfecta:
Most of Lake's "He's gone through a lot... blah blah blah" description is baloney. The real reason is because they changed actors. Why not just say that?<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Er, because it's blindingly obvious that the actor has changed?

In cold business terms:

Take-Two purchased the Max Payne franchise / IP from Remedy. Sam Lake, as a person, is tied to Remedy.

What would be the logical thing to do? Get an actor who's not tied to Remedy. The sooner the change is made, the better.

But who wants to hear that, when you can hear a much more dramatic explanation about his past? images/icons/smile.gif

The next challenge, of course, will be to find a person to do the movie. Max Payne is still a fictional entity, with one person talking the talk, another person walking the walk, and yet another person providing the looks. images/icons/smile.gif

[ 07-01-2003, 03:44 PM: Message edited by: SkavenRMD ]

[mysteryperfecta]

Originally posted by SkavenRMD:
mysteryperfecta:
Er, because it's blindingly obvious that the actor has changed?
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Which makes Lake's explanation seem disingenuous. That was my point. It's like me explaining why I didn't play traveling team baseball my senior year: because there's a lot of politics involved in who gets picked, and I'm not in that circle. My parents aren't members of the local Legion, and I don't exactly get invited to the other guy's keg parties. Oh, and I'm legally blind.

It seems to be a decision born out of necessity, and think people can understand and would openly accept that. Those other reasons are unnecessary, and just confuse the hell out of bixen.

[j]

Originally posted by SkavenRMD:
The next challenge, of course, will be to find a person to do the movie. Max Payne is still a fictional entity, with one person talking the talk, another person walking the walk, and yet another person providing the looks. images/icons/smile.gif <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I think the most obvious thing to do here, is to combine their dna in a secret underground laboratory.

[biXen]

That the actor was changed was obvious, the GAME reasons are probably what Sam Lake said, the other reasons as Skaven mentioned now, I don't quite see your point mystery, I think you just like a good argument...

[Claws]

Originally posted by mysteryperfecta:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by SkavenRMD:
mysteryperfecta:
Er, because it's blindingly obvious that the actor has changed?
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Which makes Lake's explanation seem disingenuous. That was my point. It's like me explaining why I didn't play traveling team baseball my senior year: because there's a lot of politics involved in who gets picked, and I'm not in that circle. My parents aren't members of the local Legion, and I don't exactly get invited to the other guy's keg parties. Oh, and I'm legally blind.

It seems to be a decision born out of necessity, and think people can understand and would openly accept that. Those other reasons are unnecessary, and just confuse the hell out of bixen. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Yes thank you. Just come out and say it. It's ok.

[mysteryperfecta]

Most of Lake's "He's gone through a lot... blah blah blah" description is baloney. The real reason is because they changed actors. Why not just say that? So what if he's been through a lot, and he's a little older? That's not the reason he looks different. He's simply being modeled after a different person.

Sure, Max would look a little different even if Sam Lake was still the face of Max, due to the factors they mentioned (although, not NEARLY to the extent of contrast between the old and new Max). But he's not Max anymore, so those points are moot.

scorpian:

http://forums.3drealms.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=4;t=003363#000000

It ended up being a VERY big discussion, half of it non-related to the issue at hand <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Oh man, I zinged bixen good in that thread. images/icons/grin.gif

[ 07-01-2003, 01:04 PM: Message edited by: mysteryperfecta ]

[Qtipie]

Originally posted by Soilwork:

i'm guessing the same actor will play Max Payne in the movie aswell.

makes sense. <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">no, it doesn't. it's nearly impossible to have an unknown actor playing the main part in a movie, except it's a no-budget flick with a generally unknown cast & crew. i do hope though, that someone sets his heart on making a first class movie with an appropriate amount of money, a director who knows his onions and a leading actor of hollywood's a-league. am i expecting too much? images/icons/grin.gif
i think the story is so well written that it deserves an adequate realization and it surely should attract people who don't necessarily play computer games. it would be hell to see max payne running through a b-movie like 'resident evil'.
i want a big name for the movie images/icons/smile.gif *sigh*

[KillJoy]

The guy who plays max payne in the movie has to be the voice actor: James McCaffery.

He has acted before in a movie (The Tic Code)and on TV (....cough, Viper, Cough....), so why not him?

[Qtipie]

Originally posted by KillJoy:
He has acted before in a movie (The Tic Code)and on TV (....cough, Viper, Cough....), so why not him? <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">no studio would entrust a multi-million budget to him, cause no one knows who he is (except for us and the few souls who eventually watch viper...). producers always want a big name at hand to make sure the project covers its costs.

[ADM]

I ended up picking the PC Powerplay issue today.. I'm off to read it, it's quite a big feature on MP2.

[biXen]

Qtipie: multi million? Hello? Max Payne will be a B movie. We are just lucky if we can keep Pierce Brosnan away from it.

[mysteryperfecta]

I've realized that there's another way to read the Sam Lake quote: as an attempt at sarcasm. It's not immediately obvious, and it doesn't seem like the journalist picked up on it (unless the "honest Lake" comment was yet more veiled sarcasm), but it's not a stretch. I read it straight, as many probably did. And since I didn't read the quote in context, I'm willing to give Sam the benefit of the doubt. I guess mixing sarcasm and the truth makes for a confusing read.

[Qtipie]

Originally posted by biXen:
Qtipie: multi million? Hello? Max Payne will be a B movie. We are just lucky if we can keep Pierce Brosnan away from it. <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">i don't want it to be a b-movie images/icons/frown.gif
i don't want it to be a b-movie images/icons/frown.gif
i don't want it to be a b-movie images/icons/frown.gif

[KillJoy]

I don't want to wait for MP 2, but somethings are just the way they are

[neeek]

im pretty cool with the new guy playing max. i mean not all ppl will agree and not all will like it but it doesnt mean they wont play it images/icons/smile.gif cos they will and they have been there from the beginning when mp1 made it big time and they will love the second offering and so will i.

put it this way, no-one heard of remedy before except that a so called max payne game was being made. they were unknown their team was small and their funding was limited. no way they could afford the luxury of getting professional actors to appear in their game.
how the hell were they gonna afford $$$ actors and stuff for their 1st big game?

they had to improvise and get ppl from their own team even their friends and loved ones agreed to be in mp1, meaning have them photo-scanned and imported into the 3d game world. times were tough then. mp1 wouldve been a sink-or-swim type of game.

sam lake agreed to be the payne, everyone appeared in it, the game rocked, everyone loved it. success to them all. the $$$$$ came along, mp2 was in development, no way theyre gonna just resort back to the way they made the game b4. no more photo-scanning workmates and relatives now, too amatuerish and a waste of time cos so much time had to be made of getting mp2 out the door sooner, plus with that $8mill they got from sum publisher as an incentive to finish it and ship it this yr they didnt have the time to get themselves made up for the photo shoots and model in-game. not even sam, he was busy writing it all so let sum other guy do it.

they were too busy coding, fixing, tweaking, finishing mp2. well with the money they made from mp1 they can afford getting other ppl to feature in their game instead while focusing on mp2.

with all the finance they got from mp1 they can afford anything to make what they always wanted in mp2 but couldnt before in mp1. theyre pulling out all stops to make this game believable, entertaining, and just about everything else they wanted mp2 to be but couldnt before. now they can afford to, they have all the available talent and technology they can get now for their next payne coming soon, the game will be cinematic, edgy, cutting edge, fun and the best remedy will make it to be. plus a change of payne could be better now that im used to this new guy. images/icons/smile.gif
and thats my version of why sam aint max. oh well life goes on.

i guess back then when mp1 was being made there was nobody that could fill a big role such as sam did. remedy if you could answer this, were you able to make cast roles for mp2, meaning were you lot all in charge of who would be max and who would be mona and who will act as alfred, the badguys, the cops, the junkies and so on for the graphic novel shots in mp2?
i know james mcaffery is voicing as max in this sequel, but are the same ppl from mp1 who did the voice-overs in the graphic novels be returning in mp2, as in will the voice of mona, alfred, vladmir, and all the other ppl for the graphic novel voice-acting be returning?

one more thing, did you ever consider finding a guy for mp1 to your liking who can fill in the role of max aside having sam appear as max instead or was it his decision to star in it considering he did write the whole dialogue, code, scripting, you know, just cos he was project lead and to be famous so so?
i mean sam did a great job starring as the payne but were there other contenders for the role who couldve done also a better job or were there no-one who could look tough, rugged, deadly, menacing and stuff like that?

oh btw, the one that played as mona in the graphic novels in mp1, is she the very same gal
playing as her in mp2 or is that sum other model playing as mona this time round? i ask cos the 2 of them look sooo similair and i wanted to be sure. they could be twins for all i know images/icons/smile.gif she was the bomb in mp1, the 1 that played mona <3<3

[j]

You just ramble on and on.

[bullion]

i knew remedy, death rally rocked images/icons/smile.gif

[gta]

you do!! whats the point??

[Mongorian]

Originally posted by Qtipie:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by biXen:
Qtipie: multi million? Hello? Max Payne will be a B movie. We are just lucky if we can keep Pierce Brosnan away from it. <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">i don't want it to be a b-movie images/icons/frown.gif
i don't want it to be a b-movie images/icons/frown.gif
i don't want it to be a b-movie images/icons/frown.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Remedy has said it will be low budget. That doesn't instantly mean it will be a B movie, but still.

[biXen]

A b-movie is a low budget movie. B-movie doesn't necessarily mean it has to be bad, most people just assume so. (and most often they are bad)

[Nessus]

Im happy that they got New
York actors this time around. One thing that never felt right was all those lilly white bonde haired guys in the mob and as thugs in NYC. Who knows maybe theyll even put some black guys in this one, instead of running around fictional white housing projects.

[biXen]

It's better to have scarce amount of black guys than to have ten black guys all supposed to be the "funny" black guy thrown in to diversify... MAN I hate American TV shows... Seinfeld come back!

[Kevin's girl]

I liked the old Max Payne much better then the new one. The new look makes Max look way too old! It's like EWWWW. The old Max Payne was kinda of good-looking too.

[Exero]

I somewhat agree with that.

[asker]

It seems that most people prefer the old Max.

In terms of model quality, it's generally accepted the new one is higher-tech but that's not what we're talking about.

It's the man being modelled! There's something that fits Max just right about Sam Lake and no wannabe will ever have it. It's his character through and through, and no one can ever quite reach that same level of Max-iness.

[Spazer]

yeah man, come back sam..im willing to wait longer if thats what it takes

[asker]

Me, too. I'd wait another six months, or even a year for the game if it meant we'd get the real Max.

Support our movement, Spazer! Put "If it's not Jarvi, it's not Max" into your signature.

[RudeBoyGunslingerUK]

Max PAyne needed a vacation, and maybe some facial treatment and a massage from beautiful ladies whilst resting ona beach..... That way he would have kept his looks intact.

[Kevin's girl]

Originally posted by asker:
It seems that most people prefer the old Max.

In terms of model quality, it's generally accepted the new one is higher-tech but that's not what we're talking about.

It's the man being modelled! There's something that fits Max just right about Sam Lake and no wannabe will ever have it. It's his character through and through, and no one can ever quite reach that same level of Max-iness. <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I agree with that all the way!!

[j]

Originally posted by asker:
It seems that most people prefer the old Max.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Nope, it's more like fifty-fifty.

[Exero]

Originally posted by j:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by asker:
It seems that most people prefer the old Max.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Nope, it's more like fifty-fifty. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">From the looks of the poll, it isn't.