Did Max get a new sidearm? [Archive]

FullMetalJacket

07-03-2003, 04:29 PM

In the scans (which are not official screens and therefore not "canon," mind you) Max his holding his same old Beretta M9.

But in almost all the graphic novel images where we can see Max holding a gun, he's holding an M1911A1. Do you think this means anything? Or does he use two sidearms, a 9mm and a .45, for the best of both worlds? images/icons/grin.gif

KillJoy

07-03-2003, 04:31 PM

I hope he can use a 1911. That is one of my favorite guns.

If not, i'll mod one into it.

FullMetalJacket

07-03-2003, 04:34 PM

Originally posted by KillJoy:
A 1911 is one of my favorite guns.YES!!!! Good man!!! images/icons/grin.gif

The .45 will blow a hole in any scum-sucker's chest and make him stay down -- not like on a 9mm, where you can shoot a guy four times and still might worry about him waiting in the woods for you later.

Sure, the Beretta's only real advantage over the M1911 (aside from "looking cooler") is a greater magazine capacity...but hell, considering how long it's been around and how easily modifiable it is, one could very easily find a 1911 with, say, a fourteen-round clip. It's very easy, all you'd have to do is double-stack the rounds, as opposed to a single-stacked 7-round magazine that the .45 traditionally has. images/icons/smile.gif

Nessus

07-03-2003, 04:35 PM

Almost all NYC cops use a Glock 9mm. I'm not sure if they are even allowed to have a .45. I gotta say though I'd rather Max have a real mans gun like a .45 auto.

FullMetalJacket

07-03-2003, 04:38 PM

Originally posted by Nessus:
Almost all NYC cops use a Glock 9mm. I'm not sure if they are even allowed to have a .45. I gotta say though I'd rather Max have a real mans gun like a .45 auto. Same here! images/icons/smile.gif

Yeah, NYC cops use the Glock 17, 9mm. I had a list in a Handgunner magazine once about the pistol and round that the police departments of every state used.

In Kansas and Missouri, cops use the Glock 21 and 22, which are in .45 and .40 S&W, respectively.

Bear in mind, however, that Max is not your average, department-issue patrolman. He was a detective-lieutenant grade in the first game, and from that spoiler-laden graphic novel scan in another thread recently posted, it would appear that Woden does in fact get Max free and reinstated.

I'd think Max would be allowed to use whatever sidearm he wants. images/icons/smile.gif

KillJoy

07-03-2003, 04:39 PM

the Beretta's only real advantage over the M1911 (aside from "looking cooler") is a greater magazine capacity... What??!! The colt 1911A1 looks way cooler than a berreta!

Kev_Boy

07-03-2003, 04:50 PM

And I also think a 1911 weighs more then a berreta...but that's just from seeing them in games, not real-life experience.

Could anyone who's held them both give me a correct answer? images/icons/smile.gif

Jade

07-03-2003, 04:52 PM

Max is cooler with his Beretta mod 92. images/icons/wink.gif

FullMetalJacket

07-03-2003, 04:57 PM

Originally posted by KillJoy:
What??!! The colt 1911A1 looks way cooler than a berreta! I totally agree!!! However, Hollywood does not. Which is generally why most action movies have heroes with Berettas. John Woo's in love with the gun.

Kev_Boy: The M1911A1's ammo is much heavier than the Beretta's, but empty, the M1911A1 is only about nine ounces heavier than the Beretta.
Because the Beretta normally holds twice as many bullets, though, I'd say it balances out. images/icons/grin.gif

07-03-2003, 04:57 PM

Originally posted by FullMetalJacket:
The .45 will blow a hole in any scum-sucker's chest and make him stay down -- not like on a 9mm, where you can shoot a guy four times and still might worry about him waiting in the woods for you later. [/QB]that ^ was sarcam i hope. a 9mm might not be a strong gun, but it doesn't take 4 bullets or more to put a guy down with it. one shot to the head, neck, or chest WILL kill someone.

FullMetalJacket

07-03-2003, 05:02 PM

Originally posted by M.:
A 9mm might not be a strong gun, but it doesn't take 4 bullets or more to put a guy down with it. one shot to the head, neck, or chest WILL kill someone. A head or throat shot, yes, but most people have no idea how difficult those kinds of shots are to make even when standing still, much less while running and diving around.

A single shot anywhere in the chest with a 9mm won't kill someone unless it's at point blank range. You can even shoot someone right through the heart with a more powerful round, and it can still take them as long as fifteen seconds to die -- at which point the brain stops receiving blood.

bullion

07-03-2003, 05:04 PM

FMJ, you really are a gun nut.

i was shocked to found out today that in Finland there's 3rd most guns in the world (proported to people).

39 weapons for every 100 persons.

2nd most firearms are in Yemen
do i even need to say which country was number one? images/icons/wink.gif

edit: oops. i wrote first 36 for 100...
edit2: umh... it's Yemen in english, not Jemen images/icons/tongue.gif

just found out, the number 1 has "roughly 83-96 guns per 100 people" images/icons/shocked.gif

[ 07-03-2003, 05:20 PM: Message edited by: bullion ]

07-03-2003, 05:35 PM

QUOTE]A single shot anywhere in the chest with a 9mm won't kill someone unless it's at point blank range. You can even shoot someone right through the heart with a more powerful round, and it can still take them as long as fifteen seconds to die [/QB][/QUOTE]

yes, but during that 15 seconds or more they will be on the ground feeling much shock and pain.

FullMetalJacket

07-03-2003, 05:43 PM

Originally posted by M.:
yes, but during that 15 seconds or more they will be on the ground feeling much shock and pain. Not if they're super-high on Valkyr. images/icons/smile.gif In the Philippines, soldiers using .38s would shoot natives that were high, multiple times in the chest, and have little effect. They'd keep coming.

Nessus

07-03-2003, 07:13 PM

The FBI started development on the black talon round becasue a suspect took 13 rounds of standard 9mm and was still returning fire so I think what FMJ says is correct in that the stopping power of a 9mm is not as realiable as it could be. And headshots are tough, many people panic and miss enemies at very close range in real life.

Agent J

07-03-2003, 07:37 PM

The Beretta m92 is simply the PERFECT action movie side-arm, and a John Woo favorite. You can't go wrong with it.

FullMetalJacket

07-03-2003, 08:02 PM

Originally posted by Nessus:
The FBI started development on the black talon round becasue a suspect took 13 rounds of standard 9mm and was still returning fire so I think what FMJ says is correct in that the stopping power of a 9mm is not as realiable as it could be. And headshots are tough, many people panic and miss enemies at very close range in real life. By Black Talon, you're talking about the 10mm.
Which is, in fact, the absolute best cartridge for pistols and submachine guns.
It combines the instant knockdown power of the .45 with the high-velocity armor-piercing power of Magnum rounds.
It kicks like a mutha, though.
Still....it could save your life before a pissant nine could. images/icons/tongue.gif
And Agent J, you could go wrong with a Beretta M92F very easily. Just because it looks nice doesn't mean it can do dick. Sorry, but you sound like the kind of person that would drive a sports car through the desert because a sports car looks better than a station wagon, which would actually last. images/icons/grin.gif

biXen

07-03-2003, 08:03 PM

I think my favourite gun is the Belgian FN Five Seven, but that goes mostly by looks. I don't really give a shit how reliable it is, I'm not gonna fire it. And the same goes for Max, as far as I know, his gun won't jam any time in the game, so it goes by style, and the .45 looks like an old brick. It's design isn't really that old yet, but it looks heavier, the Beretta is nice and slick.

I really wish we could see a HK G36K there though, my fav. assault rifle images/icons/wink.gif

07-03-2003, 08:22 PM

Originally posted by Nessus:
The FBI started development on the black talon round becasue a suspect took 13 rounds of standard 9mm and was still returning fire did you ever hear about where the bullets hit the suspect? maybe he was shot mostly in the shoulders, arms, or legs in which case it isn't hard to believe it took 13 shots. or maybe that story you heard was comlete bull sh*t. just think about it. if a bullet of any size was shot into your upper body, would you still be standing up. i'm not saying that a 9mm is a strong gun, i just think it's wrong to under estimate it's power.

FullMetalJacket

07-03-2003, 08:23 PM

Good man, biXen! By saying that, I mean that the G36K is a great rifle because it has the versatility of a submachine gun, making it an overall useful weapon, and it is nice looking as well. images/icons/smile.gif
The only advantage of the Five-SeveN is a high capacity for needle-like AP rounds....which don't hurt foes much, and why would you want AP rounds on a pistol? images/icons/smile.gif

07-03-2003, 08:26 PM

Bullet Tooth Tony: "The fact that you've got "Replica" written down the side of your gun. [withdraws his gun] And the fact that I've got "Desert Eagle point five O" written on the side of mine, should precipitate your balls into shrinking, along with your presence."

Anybody wanna guess what my favourite handgun is? images/icons/tongue.gif

(Actually, my favourite handgun by looks is the German Luger (http://hosting.themib.com/luger/luger.html))

Agent J

07-03-2003, 09:20 PM

Desert Eagle is also a favorite of mine. Magnum Research Nickelplated 50AE with black matte handle to be exact images/icons/smile.gif
And Agent J, you could go wrong with a Beretta M92F very easily. Just because it looks nice doesn't mean it can do dickI'm the kind of guy that knows guns, and the difference between them IRL and in movies. And it terms of movies, the Beretta m92f is the most popular, period.

Detharin

07-03-2003, 10:07 PM

Desert Eagle is a nice gun. Personally i like my Mark I .357 with the 10 inch barrel. Im considering getting a Polished Crome .50 with the 10 barrel. Seems to be a bit more accurate but not as concealable. Then again if i was looking for something to actually conceal id probably get a glock 10mm

FullMetalJacket

07-03-2003, 10:23 PM

Originally posted by Agent J:
I'm the kind of guy that knows guns, and the difference between them IRL and in movies.I sure as shit am, too.

And yeah, as far as Hollywood is concerned, the Beretta M92F is the ultimate weapon. I'll give you that one.

It sure as hell doesn't make them right, of course.... images/icons/grin.gif

Wild Falkon

07-04-2003, 12:02 AM

Originally posted by FullMetalJacket:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Agent J:
I'm the kind of guy that knows guns, and the difference between them IRL and in movies.I sure as shit am, too.

And yeah, as far as Hollywood is concerned, the Beretta M92F is the ultimate weapon. I'll give you that one.

It sure as hell doesn't make them right, of course.... images/icons/grin.gif <hr /></blockquote>Agent J, I gotta hand it to you, FullMetalJacket is the 3DR UBB Forum Gunsmith.

Respect his authority.

/can I get up now, FMJ?
/..and stop pointing that thing at me!

Ninja

07-04-2003, 12:14 AM

By Black Talon, you're talking about the 10mm.
Which is, in fact, the absolute best cartridge for pistols and submachine guns.
It combines the instant knockdown power of the .45 with the high-velocity armor-piercing power of Magnum rounds.
It kicks like a mutha, though.
Still....it could save your life before a pissant nine could. images/icons/tongue.gif
And Agent J, you could go wrong with a Beretta M92F very easily. Just because it looks nice doesn't mean it can do dick. Sorry, but you sound like the kind of person that would drive a sports car through the desert because a sports car looks better than a station wagon, which would actually last. images/icons/grin.gif I'd say learning proper shot placement is much more important above everything else. It doesn't matter what round it is, if you can't shoot well enough to inflict enough CNS damage and/or damage to the major blood vessels, I doubt you'll survive an encounter with an attacker.

Hell, people have been shot with every kind of round under the sun and still kept on going. Psychological factors play an important part in incapacitation of an attacker, that is why some people fall unconscious after being shot in the arm (even when there's nowhere near enough blood loss to induce unconsciousness) and others ignore it and keep on going.

Agent J

07-04-2003, 12:57 AM

And yeah, as far as Hollywood is concerned, the Beretta M92F is the ultimate weapon. I'll give you that one.That's all I was saying.

Bow

07-04-2003, 04:50 AM

uh.... interesting thread....
just wanted to say that john woo's favorite weapon IS the beretta, but have u all seen Face/Off? u can't see one beretta. Cage uses two 1911 if i'm not totally wrong....

my favorite weapon is the P8... i like its look.... don't know so much about weapons like u all do... what u think of the P8, FMJ?

i like shotguns (or pumpguns?), aswell....

biXen

07-04-2003, 05:04 AM

FMJ: Yep, the G36K might replace the AG3 (G3A3 model) as our army's new weapon. But too late for me to shoot it anyway images/icons/smile.gif

Well, the Five SeveN is an army gun, so that's kind of the point. I manage to kill people in Raven Shield when I use it anyway, they aren't normal humans images/icons/wink.gif

FullMetalJacket

07-04-2003, 08:25 AM

Originally posted by Bow:
uh.... interesting thread....
just wanted to say that john woo's favorite weapon IS the beretta, but have u all seen Face/Off? u can't see one beretta. Cage uses two 1911 if i'm not totally wrong.... Face/Off is one of my favorite movies! Yes, Cage mainly used twin gold-plated 1911s, mainly during the airport and penthouse shootouts...but in the church shootout at the end, he was using dual Berettas. images/icons/smile.gif

RollingBrass

07-04-2003, 09:27 AM

I find that the Beretta and the Colt pretty much equally cool-looking. I wanted a Colt in the original. I'm not sure if a mod for one was released (I'm sure it was), and I settled for Komb.at's awesome S&W W9 mod graemlins/love.gif

And can we not make this into ANOTHER "X gun is better" thread? Max Payne is, and always has been about "movie realism" (oxymoronic, to a degree) and what simply looks cool. I hate to see viscious personal flames about something so trivial. Originally posted by j:
(Actually, my favourite handgun by looks is the German Luger (http://hosting.themib.com/luger/luger.html)) I heart thee! graemlins/love.gif

[ 07-04-2003, 09:31 AM: Message edited by: RollingBrass ]

FullMetalJacket

07-04-2003, 04:29 PM

Originally posted by Agent J:
in the church scene at the end there are quite a few Berettas seen as well. I already said that. images/icons/grin.gif

Agent J

07-04-2003, 04:45 PM

Aha, sorry didn't notice your post.

Reaper978

07-04-2003, 05:18 PM

Hitman uses dual 1911's correct me if I am wrong. Btw the luger rocks. images/icons/grin.gif

07-04-2003, 05:47 PM

Originally posted by Reaper978:
Hitman uses dual 1911's correct me if I am wrong. Btw the luger rocks. images/icons/grin.gif i believe he uses custom hand guns, but yes, they do look a lot like 1911's.

FullMetalJacket

07-04-2003, 06:31 PM

He uses .45 AMD Hardballers, which are simply 1911s finished in stainless steel.

KillJoy

07-04-2003, 08:25 PM

I thought hardballers were zinc plated steel.

Ah well, who am i?

Agent J

07-05-2003, 12:01 AM

but have u all seen Face/Off? u can't see one beretta. Cage uses two 1911 if i'm not totally wrong.... Yea, those Gold plated 1911 were pretty sweet. However, at the beginning of the movie when the plane crashes in the building, the agents are using Berettas and MP5s, and in the church scene at the end there are quite a few Berettas seen as well.

FullMetalJacket

07-05-2003, 09:46 AM

Whoops, it's AMT Hardballer, not AMD. I guess I must have been getting used to posting my system specs. images/icons/tongue.gif

And yeah, all the Hardballer is, is a faithful stainless steel copy of the M1911A1 pistol. It's also available in a longslide version though, as seen in The Terminator (although he also used a laser sight on it).
images/icons/smile.gif

biXen

07-05-2003, 01:10 PM

The G36K is cooler I think, it's the ultimate mid version of the G36 and G36C IMO. But it's a kickass weapon, best new one I think, in both look and quality.

Nessus

07-05-2003, 01:53 PM

I hope he only has one sidearm this time. It bogs down the menu when you have 2 pistols, 2 rifles, 3 machine guns and so on. Too many games have repitive weapons that are basically the same thing and winds up taking forever to scroll through the whole mess.

FullMetalJacket

07-05-2003, 03:09 PM

Bow,

The P8 is the same as the USP (universal self-loading pistol), the German army simply adopted it as the P8, much as the U.S. Army adopted the Beretta M92F as the M9.

The USP is an outstanding pistol, with a decocking lever and ambidexterous controls and safety. It comes in .40 S&W, 9mm, and, my favorite, .45. images/icons/smile.gif

The G36C is alright. All the punch of an assault rifle packed into the compact frame of a submachine gun. Great for indoor fighting, but with its tremendous muzzle flash and reduced range and accuracy, it's not good for much else. Then, that applies to most SMGs. images/icons/grin.gif

Bow

07-06-2003, 12:15 AM

you are all right... i'm sorry... of course he uses a beretta in the church... sorry...

so, FMJ: what about the P8? (http://www.heckler-koch.de/html/english/behoerden/01_pistols/01_11_index.html)

€: and BTW: the G36C looks cool. (http://www.heckler-koch.de/html/english/behoerden/03_rifles/03_04_index.html) what u think?

[ 07-05-2003, 12:19 PM: Message edited by: Bow ]

Bow

07-07-2003, 11:13 AM

thx very much images/icons/grin.gif

Mr. Person

07-08-2003, 01:46 AM

I've always like these:
http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firearms/FAProdView?model=154&return=Y

Or, for insane stopping power, a Colt Anaconda.

Bow

07-08-2003, 03:36 AM

i don't like the ruger by its looks...

yes, a colt anaconda is cool of course!

FullMetalJacket

07-08-2003, 09:05 AM

Colt Anaconda? Very expensive, kicks like a mutha, extremely loud, and of course you only get six shots.

Certain types of Desert Eagle fire the same round anyway. images/icons/smile.gif

Bushido

07-08-2003, 09:52 AM

My favorite gun is the one that puts holes in the bad guys and makes them fall down...

07-08-2003, 10:01 AM

Originally posted by Bushido:
My favorite gun is the one that puts holes in the bad guys and makes them fall down... I like that gun, too!

Mr. Person

07-11-2003, 01:49 AM

Certain types of Desert Eagle fire the same round anyway.In terms of usefulness the Desert Eagle wins by a lot, but the Anaconda is much more menacing. images/icons/wink.gif

i don't like the ruger by its looks... It's not supposed to look nice. It's reliable, extremely accurate as far as handguns go, and has basically no recoil. And .22 ammo is cheap. images/icons/wink.gif images/icons/wink.gif

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