Selling Mods? You better believe it.

[ADM]

Cinema, Excessive Blood, RezzieMod.. all plus alot more getting sold on this website:

http://www.bdgamer.net/shop/index.php?cPath=37_32_58

I don't know about you guys but I certainly don't want to see my mod up there making someone else profit.

Lets do something about this.

[Cheeser12]

Holy hell.
Isn't that illegal?
I don't believe some jackasses are selling modders' hard work. Damn.

[Daveman]

Good God.
May the Divine Wind come down from the heavens and smite them....
jeez somebody yell at them.......or sue.....
That's just not right.....
BUT!
there's an upside to this, you see!
What a perfect opportunity for the modding community to reunite after that long-winded argument!
But let's not forget how terribly wrong what they're doing is....I really pity whoever buys those......

[darkstormgraphix]

Damn right. I say we just notify Rockstar Games and they'll crack down on this guy, whoever he is!

[Daveman]

Screw that!
Get a lawyer!
That's seriously a crime (a major felony, if I'm not mistaken) what they're doing there.
Damn.
READY FOR BATTLE!
http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/brickwall.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/brickwall.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/brickwall.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/brickwall.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif
^^^^^^^soldiers getting pumped up

[ADM]

Everyone who's mod is up there could even get a payout as well.

I'll get like 4 bucks or something http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Cheeser12]

This is a government issue. Some part of the government handles this stuff.
I'm pretty sure this is a violation of Remedy's End-User Liscense Agreement. The agreement states you can make mods for other owners enjoyment: but you aren't allowed to make money off of them.
What government branch do we contact?
Pretty sure this is illegal.

[biXen]

Actually it seems to me like you aren't paying for the mod, but rather the download. The price seems to be higher the more MB the file is, isn't that so? In that case I don't think you can protest, it's the same thing FilePlanet does, only these guys don't have any free servers (which is more of a bad business decision)... on the other hand, charging per file basis is a different issue.

[DigitalHammer]

You could probably send a DMCA notice or the like to their ISP--it tends to shut down copyright violators pretty quickly. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif However, its juristiction does not extend outside of the US, so if their servers aren't located within the US, you may be out of luck.

[Daveman]

Exactly. Rockstar doesn't need to sue. Doesn't the privacy statement or whatever you call it that you *need* to "agree" with before you play the game say something about the mods made are the sole properties of their creators, and not of Rockstar, Take Two, or Remedy (so if some mod is illegal in some way, companies don't pay a dime)?
Rockstar wouldn't get jack. Modders need to step up and sue their asses. Get a better computer for modding (maybe?). Haha.
This is going to be funny. And messy for the guy who put those up. Now I just sit back and watch.
*gets popcorn and a root beer*
*reclines chair*
*refreshes thread*

[ADM]

Actually it seems to me like you aren't paying for the mod, but rather the download. The price seems to be higher the more MB the file is, isn't that so? In that case I don't think you can protest, it's the same thing FilePlanet does, only these guys don't have any free servers (which is more of a bad business decision)... on the other hand, charging per file basis is a different issue.



Nope it's put on a CD and sent to you, it's not a download.

[Cheeser12]

Well, it's still illegal I think.....they're making money off those mods......I'm pretty sure they are...but no exactly I'll contact these people, see if it's a violation.
But Fileplanet charges for files being sent to you on CD too, don't they?
"Buy now" sounds a little suspicious....I'll contact these government people right away.

[biXen]

LOL, how can they possibly earn any money on that, that's gotta be stressy. Instead of putting them down we should order 100 cds and never pay http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Rico]

Contact them and ask them to remove it, if not contact Remedy or 3dr about it.

[Daveman]

Bump 'dat!
Let the lawyers or possibly the government contact them! C'mon! I got my popcorn ready!

[DigitalHammer]

Actually it seems to me like you aren't paying for the mod, but rather the download. The price seems to be higher the more MB the file is, isn't that so? In that case I don't think you can protest, it's the same thing FilePlanet does, only these guys don't have any free servers (which is more of a bad business decision)... on the other hand, charging per file basis is a different issue.



Hmmmmmmmm....this is interesting. If found this in their "Rules and Conditions" section:

"PRICES
We price all the files according to the value they have to us. For example, we priced the NFS: Underground Soundtrack higher than the other Audio CDs we provide. This is because these songs were very hard to come by and has taken a lot of time to be compiled. We hope you also understand the value of these files.

We do not want people arguing about the prices we charge, either you buy them or you don't. It takes a lot of money to run a huge site like BDGamer (server costs are driving me wild - Rajiv) and we did not like begging for money (like putting up a Donation link) and so launched this shop. Most (if not all) files are priced accordingly with exceptions to some files (look above).

Please do not complain about the prices. We turn a deaf ear to them - if you want to buy then you are welcome to buy, if you are here to nag about the costs then please look somewhere else (as if there were any competitors :-p)."

[ADM]

LOL, how can they possibly earn any money on that, that's gotta be stressy. Instead of putting them down we should order 100 cds and never pay http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif



hahaha.

[biXen]

Bump 'dat!
Let the lawyers or possibly the government contact them! C'mon! I got my popcorn ready!



Government? WTF are you on? This isn't "Hackers" it's real life. Nobody gives a shit. Maybe R* / 3DR if they are notified.

What currencies are those btw? How much is this? If it's merely a burning cost I don't see how it matters either.

[Daveman]

Pretty sure that's not possible.
When you sign up for the ability to buy those types of things, you give them a credit card number.....think that's how it works........

[Daveman]

Too bad the government COULD do something. What these people did was illegal. I'd say the government would have something against that.......

[Cheeser12]

Question....whats the DMCA offical website? Can't find one....

[Daveman]

What's really sad is that this probably isn't the only things up on that site that are being sold illegally. I'm sure that there's many another thing there. I hope others find out about this. I already told my friend who's gonna spread it as much as he can to people who care. This needs to get out. ADoomedMarine, you're probably already on this, but report it on DeepSix! More people go there than do here, I'd say. The more people know about this, the better it is for us and the worse it is for the bloke who's selling this.

[biXen]

What's really sad is that this probably isn't the only things up on that site that are being sold illegally. I'm sure that there's many another thing there. I hope others find out about this. I already told my friend who's gonna spread it as much as he can to people who care. This needs to get out. ADoomedMarine, you're probably already on this, but report it on DeepSix! More people go there than do here, I'd say. The more people know about this, the better it is for us and the worse it is for the bloke who's selling this.



How is that worse, sending him customers and giving him PR, I'd say that's better. And government would probably do something... by 2006... Is he even located in the US of A.

[Daveman]

http://www.dmca.us/
That's the official one I think. Should work.

[ADM]

I'll leave it for abit until we see what Remedy or someone have to say about it, then I'll make a news post about it.

I don't know the whole deal behind this yet and I don't want to jump to conclusions and turn it into something too big.

[Daveman]

Well If people know he's selling this, the'll know that they can also get it free. Who's gonna buy something when they can get it free?
And a lawyer could make a judge rule that the sales be stopped immediately. Lawyers do crazy things.

[biXen]

Well If people know he's selling this, the'll know that they can also get it free. Who's gonna buy something when they can get it free?
And a lawyer could make a judge rule that the sales be stopped immediately. Lawyers do crazy things.



As far as I know thousands and millions of people are buying games, operating systems and programs, and they can get them for free pretty easily http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Cheeser12]

Don't think that's their site...no official contact. One on the bottom, but like ADoomedMarine said, let's see what Remedy has to say.

[Daveman]

As far as YOU know.
They might not want the free one for fear of it being defective or whatever. They might not know they can get it for free.
Hard to be the same with a file. It's a download. Also, who would want to buy a cd sent to them as opposed to a free download they know they can get?
If it gets PR from the lawsuit, people would obviously find out that they're being sued because they're selling it. Then they'd obviously figure out they can get it for free. Same file, getting it faster, free? Doesn't get much better, except for the fact that you can get new versions. (Cinema 1.5 and I think Matrix Edition 1 are up there).

[biXen]

Sued? Let me guess... you are American.

The page is punishing people for stupidity rather than doing anything illegal. Well it's illegal too in the strict sense, but I'm sure some people want stuff on cd (like that's any better) and they can get that there. I don't really care. What I do care about is that it's not more profit than a service. AFAIK Gamespot also offers demos and mods on cds, but they might have a special deal, but they don't pay any modders that's for sure.

[Daveman]

SUE GAMESPOT!
GAAAH!
SUE 'EM ALL!
GAAAH!

[Daveman]

Oh, and I'm not American.
Nobody ever believes me when I say this, but I live in Liechtenstein (a small country between Germany, Austria, and Switzerland). I guess people don't believe me cause they don't really know the country exists.
Maybe I go to bed soon........

[biXen]

Well the site is Bangladesh', so you can forget sueing them, you'd have to sue the whole Asia and Russia next, cause this is normal there, when you earn 150 dollars a month you ain't paying 50 for a game, and many of them probably don't have much more than modem lines http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Daveman]

Actually most don't have modems at all. Outside of North America and UK, internet is VERY expensive. In Spain and France internet cafe's are everywhere because people *somehow* live without the internet as often as North America and UK. Fortunately for me, my little country here is pretty rich. In fact, it's very rich. Hehe...suckers....

[eascya2]

Does anyone know what the hell a Tk is? maybe it's like e-dollars or something of that sort.

[biXen]

Does anyone know what the hell a Tk is? maybe it's like e-dollars or something of that sort.



I assumed it was the Bangladesh currency, Bangladesh Taka, but I see here that 20 taka is 0,3 dollars so I dunno http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Rezzie]

I sent an e-mail to them asking them to remove my mod, and it appears they've removed it.

I suggest the authors of the other mods do the same.

Let them know they are breaking the EULA of Max Payne 2 and your mod, and that it is illegal. Worked for me...

Rezzie

[Bruce Hamilton]

Hmmmmmmmm....this is interesting. If found this in their "Rules and Conditions" section:

"PRICES
We price all the files according to the value they have to us. For example, we priced the NFS: Underground Soundtrack higher than the other Audio CDs we provide. This is because these songs were very hard to come by and has taken a lot of time to be compiled. We hope you also understand the value of these files.

We do not want people arguing about the prices we charge, either you buy them or you don't. It takes a lot of money to run a huge site like BDGamer (server costs are driving me wild - Rajiv) and we did not like begging for money (like putting up a Donation link) and so launched this shop. Most (if not all) files are priced accordingly with exceptions to some files (look above).

Please do not complain about the prices. We turn a deaf ear to them - if you want to buy then you are welcome to buy, if you are here to nag about the costs then please look somewhere else (as if there were any competitors :-p)."



Followed closely by


NOT REDISTRIBUTABLE
If you friend likes the CD you've ordered from us then please forward him to us. Why? Because 100% of our money goes into server costs and if you share the files then we lose customers and soon the shop may just go down (leaving you fileless ;-).



Selling free files, but we can't distribute them?

[Supafly]

i just talked to rajiv
some1 on this board called james? freaked the shit outta him
hes from bangladesh (bd is one of the most popular piracy countries) and he is selling the files to ppl who cant afford broadband
a part of my conscience tells me "leave this kid alone, he has done nothing to u, ure sitting on ur fat ass playing a great game and u have done nothing to get it - just a request to ur parents, where he has to get as much money as possible to survive"
the other part of my conscience tells me "come on, let's fsck him up! hes selling things he hasnt made by himself, taking credits for things he didnt merit."
i think we should think about this seriously

btw
i'm currently trying to make a skeleton using 3dsmax
will release it when it's finished

[Joe Siegler]

Holy hell.
Isn't that illegal?
I don't believe some jackasses are selling modders' hard work. Damn.



Welcome to the game developers' world. Folks (I'm not saying you, I'm talking generally) get all bent out of shape when someone steals/sells their mod, but think nothing of stealing/pirating the game in question.

Live by the sword, die by the sword. (Oh god, I sound like Drazula now - someone shoot me).

Also, neither Remedy nor 3DR would be able to legally do anything about it. REMEMBER - we sold the IP rights for Max to Take 2, as did Remedy. It's Take 2's problem, not ours.

[Wamplet]

I don't think the modders can sue, seeing as how they technically don't have any rights over their product. If anyone does, it would be Rockstar. I'm sure they would give them a warning, but it's probably not worth the time and money to sue a person over it.

[Rezzie]

neither Remedy nor 3DR would be able to legally do anything about it.



I'm sure Remedy / Rockstar / Take 2 would be able to legally stop him charging for the Mod Tools if nothing else, as they DO own them.

As I said before, I sent him an e-mail and he removed my mod. I'm sure he'd do the same for anyone else who asked.

Rezzie

[Joe Siegler]

I'm sure Remedy / Rockstar / Take 2 would be able to legally stop him charging for the Mod Tools if nothing else, as they DO own them.



Remedy might be able to - but I'm not them, I can't answer for them.

[spacer]

is there any way we can legally protect our mods? i dont fancy releasing supermoves then someone else getting paid for it :/

[Wamplet]

I still can't believe people are actually buying stuff like that. I could see them buying a tutorial maybe, but not an actual mod. Surely most people know that this stuff is free!?? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[DigitalHammer]

Actually most don't have modems at all. Outside of North America and UK, internet is VERY expensive. In Spain and France internet cafe's are everywhere because people *somehow* live without the internet as often as North America and UK. Fortunately for me, my little country here is pretty rich. In fact, it's very rich. Hehe...suckers....



Uh, no. I can get a 12 Mb upload/12 Mb download DSL line Tokyo, Japan for 30 bucks a month. Sure beats the prices for a 1.5 Mb American line that costs over 50 bucks a month. Also, you can get a 10 MEGABYTE up/down *fiber optic* line in most parts of Tokyo and its surrounding suburbs for 60 bucks a month. South Korea also has plummeting broadband prices, and I can get a 3 Mb up/down DSL line for 15 bucks a month. In Hong Kong, one can also get at least a 3 mb DSL line for 30 bucks a month. I'd say their value for the money in Asia is much better than here in the USA. And there's no Asian DMCA for megacorporations to abuse either. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Samji]

Cinema, Excessive Blood, RezzieMod.. all plus alot more getting sold on this website:

http://www.bdgamer.net/shop/index.php?cPath=37_32_58

I don't know about you guys but I certainly don't want to see my mod up there making someone else profit.

Lets do something about this.



Legally they are violating the EULA of Max Payne 2 which is stealing from Remedy aswell as the modders.

You're right. Someone should report them to Remedy.

It can't be legal because I thought you were only allowed to make non-commercial mods, let alone ripping off others' work.

I'm angry and I sent that guy a nasty email.

[Supafly]

it is one single person

[Nightcom]

Outside of North America and UK, internet is VERY expensive.



Hell no. Here in Sweden it's cheap and easy to get broadband/ADSL.

[Supafly]

is there any way we can legally protect our mods? i dont fancy releasing supermoves then someone else getting paid for it :/



how about u contact him and tell em to get some money off it? i mean like 50% or something
he's not a bad person, he's got a good will, believe me

[Supafly]

Outside of North America and UK, internet is VERY expensive.



Hell no. Here in Sweden it's cheap and easy to get broadband/ADSL.



heh
adsl sure is cheap here:

256kbit - 10 gb limit - without phone line: 96euro a month
phone line itself: 25euro/month

96+25 --> 121euro/month

^_^ (get the sarcasm)

[Samji]

The best why to prevent ppl. making money is to make mods only avalible on a non-commerical basis. Then everyone will know that anyone who is in it for money is breaking the law and can be faced with a civil fine, etc...

[Daveman]

Actually most don't have modems at all. Outside of North America and UK, internet is VERY expensive. In Spain and France internet cafe's are everywhere because people *somehow* live without the internet as often as North America and UK. Fortunately for me, my little country here is pretty rich. In fact, it's very rich. Hehe...suckers....



Uh, no. I can get a 12 Mb upload/12 Mb download DSL line Tokyo, Japan for 30 bucks a month. Sure beats the prices for a 1.5 Mb American line that costs over 50 bucks a month. Also, you can get a 10 MEGABYTE up/down *fiber optic* line in most parts of Tokyo and its surrounding suburbs for 60 bucks a month. South Korea also has plummeting broadband prices, and I can get a 3 Mb up/down DSL line for 15 bucks a month. In Hong Kong, one can also get at least a 3 mb DSL line for 30 bucks a month. I'd say their value for the money in Asia is much better than here in the USA. And there's no Asian DMCA for megacorporations to abuse either. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif



If you had read the rest of it, you would have known that I don't live in the US, and I was speaking purely about western Europe, and even there, purely out of experience from trips to Spain and France. When I went there last summer, few people had internet connections from their homes, and of those who did, most were using 28kb modems. That's why the internet cafe businesses are sprouting up everywhere, especially in Spain.

[Guest]

Apparently 3 pages of posts in this topic were deleted http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif but if you missed it then heres the post I made through supafly.


Hello all,
I know you guys are majorly pissed at me for putting your files up for sale but please let me explain myself before jumping all over me.

As someone from Japan said, they can get 12Mbit connections there but Japan and Bangladesh (where I'm from) aren't the same and we can barely get 192Kbit connections here. Most people are stuck on dialup and downloading big files (example - your mods) for them is a test of extreme patience and this was where I got my idea - to bring big files to the masses. BDGamer was running on a total loss (with tons of other game sites out there) and I had to do something about it or close down the site and came up with this e-commerce site. The basic idea was to provide Bangladeshi users (no foreigners) with game mods, skins, patches and other non-gaming stuff and charge accordingly.

Now, I put up some MP2 mods which I downloaded from Fileshack - I know these files are free but I cannot provide these files for free as I've got lots of costs to endure (blank CD, writing the CD, printing the CD cover http://www.bdgamer.net/rajiv/cam_1.jpg , Internet connection costs) and had to charge a small amount of money for it. FYI - 60 Tk equals to 1 USD and each file costs around 5-20 cents. I know I'm charging for YOUR files and am sorry to do so but if I could give them out for free then I really would have - I play games myself (I love MP2) and the people who buy the files are also very grateful cause they wouldn't have gotten your mods to play if I didn't provide it.

I DO NOT make any sort of profit off a CD - a CD with 5 MP2 mods sells for around 120 Tk (2 USD) whereas Gamespot or Fileplanet charges a minimum of 5 USD on each CD they sell. Actually the difference between them and me is that I price each file individually whereas they charge for the CD and shipping while mine is with all files included + cost of CD + delivery. I won't say that I don't get money in return for it - around 10-20 Tk profit for each CD but that goes into paying for the server bills, buying new blank CDs and my Internet connection.

All I have to say is that I'm sorry about all of this and will take down any files which their authors want me to remove. As some of you said that I'm ignorant and all of that - try to know the person before even saying something like that - if I was really ignorant and making lots of money off this then I wouldn't have bothered to come here and post this reply to all of you.

[maximan]

http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[ADM]

It seems he's locked the shop out to people outside Bangladesh.

[Mayur]

Don't you think you have to mention on the site that the mods and tools are available free for download but that you can also get them on CD from your shop?

-M

[Kozak]

Good point Mayur http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif. My opinion about this is that it is illegal to sell stuff that is under copyright. But from what I've read so far the guy is merely charging for service costs to get the mod home to the people who want to play it. So he isn't really harming copyright but doing a good thing.

And you have to admit that the current mods aren't all that big, they are downloadable even on 28.8kbps.

[Phoenix924]

Hmmm... when I read the very first post, i was totally outraged... but now that Rajiv took the time to reply, I must say that he does not in any way seem like he intentionally tried to cheat any of us. I think he did what he did with good intentions (despite a small profite which went towards more blank CD's, and other site related bills). He certainly seems like someone who could easily be negotiated with. If you do not want to help him out by allowing him to send your mod to people for profite, then simply tell him no, if you really don't care much, good for you, either way he's cool in my book and this is all a very understandable misunderstanding! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[biXen]

Please let the topic die, there's nothing more to say...