mp2 vs hl2 [Archive] - 3D Realms Forums

Maddieman

08-02-2003, 03:38 PM

As far as the single player game is concerned, comparison is a bit trivial since I think the two games are offering different experiences. In the end it comes down to personal preference and bias.

Max Payne 2 is offering the player to assume the role of a 'character', or at least participate on some level, as Max's story unfolds in front of you. Whereas, if I understand it correctly, HL2 is offering a characterless role allowing the story to be told through the player's own eyes, and experiences. So while Hl2 will probably involve the player on a more personal level, I think the level of escapism that Max Payne 2 offers is equally appealing.

In that sense, both HL2 and Max Payne 2 could be seen as the definitive examples of both first and third person gaming, respectively. Both titles are being made by top developers who I have utmost confidence in; and I expect that both games will have their own merits and shortcomings. So all it comes down to is what takes your fancy, and which hype machine you buy into. images/icons/smile.gif

Jade

08-02-2003, 03:50 PM

Mmmm...HL2 has a totally different storyline and character....don't know...it depends what you expect from both games.

hemlock_0

08-02-2003, 04:11 PM

Originally posted by Jade:
Mmmm...HL2 has a totally different storyline and character....don't know...it depends what you expect from both games. Well, I expect to have fun. images/icons/smile.gif

Seriously though, I believe that HL2 will be highly successful, but that Max will be better. Then again, I *am* posting in the Max forums...

FullMetalJacket

08-02-2003, 04:37 PM

HL2 will overall be more revolutionary to the shooter industry in terms of things like physics and AI, though not necessarily graphics.

Outstanding work, Remedy! I got the new CGW issue today, and the Max2 screens look better than I anticipated. You couldn't pack much more detail into a TPS! *tips hat* images/icons/smile.gif

The first Max Payne was a pure shooter, pure action, pure cinematic bliss. Half-Life1 was revolutionary to the shooter genre in many ways....
-It was the first FPS to feature lip-synch
-It was among the first to feature cinematic-feeling scripted events
-It was the first non-tactical shooter to have at least SOME real-world weapons
-It was the first non-tactical shooter that required you to replace magazines rather than simply running over ammo pickups
-It still has some of the best AI in any shooter

But in terms of overall gameplay, I actually found HL a bit dull. Too much crate-smashing, vent-crawling and horrid jumping puzzles. It was too easy to get lost in the labyrinthine level design, especially in the "Blast Pit" and Monorail levels. And don't forget the part of the game with the three-headed giant green alien. I STILL get lost in that area.

But yeah, it's like apples and oranges. I'll buy HL2 and MP2 and am certain that I will love them both very, very much. Isn't that all that matters? images/icons/smile.gif

suprahukka

08-02-2003, 05:05 PM

I can't see how the other rules out the other here. Two really different games. I have money for both.

Personally I am moaning "Oh the humanity" over the ever so stupid dissing between Doom3 and HL2 fans. Sigh....

Mars

08-02-2003, 07:25 PM

And in 3DR Forum's next exciting thread:

http://www.umu.se/studentcentrum/images/apple.jpg
VS
http://www.whybiotech.com/html/images/orange.jpg

Don't touch that internet dial!

(seriously, they're two very different games which we know very little about. it's all a matter of opinion based on speculation.)

biXen

08-02-2003, 07:51 PM

Difference is that Doom 3 and HL2 will sell anyway, like blizzard games( face it, wc3 was mediocre). MP2 has to deliver)

The Baskinator

08-02-2003, 09:03 PM

Why can't Max and Gordon just be friends?!

Commodore

08-02-2003, 09:19 PM

Well even though everybody has their own opinion about which is better, it really comes down to wheather or not you like the game overall. I own both HL and MP. And I think that they both have good qualities. They are both good shooting games and they both have something that was never done before in the world of shooting games. So I have no daught that I will enjoy both HL2 and MP2. images/icons/grin.gif

Kevin's girl

08-02-2003, 10:35 PM

I have never played any of the Half Life games. So on a 1-10 scale, 10 being the best what would you guys give the game?

If you guys say its a real good game I might rent it. images/icons/smile.gif
Mp2 vs HL2? I can't say which is better because they both haven't came out yet. But the screen shots for the new Max are lookin mighty fine...

shadow fox

08-02-2003, 10:46 PM

Originally posted by jaikrishnan:
well the title says it all. i am currently feeling that mp2 will kick the hell out of hl2. since there are no official screenshots on mp2, the two games can't be comapred on graphics.but i know one thing for sure-

1hl2-no cutscenes, you are GORDON FREEMAN everything happens from your view

2.mp2--cutscenes anf graphic novels,film noir. the story of a fugutive.

mp2 or hl2? i pick half-life 2 due to the fact that ive seen th movies for half life 2 and i hate the new max payne (the guy not the game)

shadow fox

08-02-2003, 11:23 PM

why Max and gordon cant get along http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b3d623b3127cce8ba867e685a50000001610

if you cant find at least a little humor in this that you are a old lady who acomplains about every thing and who is sueing mcdonalds because they're fat.

Wamplet

08-03-2003, 12:12 AM

Originally posted by Kevin's girl:
I have never played any of the Half Life games. YES! There is another! Now i don't feel so alone. images/icons/blush.gif

Anyways, I plan to get MP2, but not HL2, unless i hear it has decent multiplay. I am willing to buy MP2 for the story alone, but not HL2. I find blasting bugs highly unamusing; just the same as blasting zombies.

jaikrishnan

08-03-2003, 12:17 AM

valve has revealed that hl2 will be delayed till the holiday season and will most propably release along with mp2 in november. my gut feeling says mp2 would come out better.hl2 is being overhyped, if it fails to deliver it could end up being the biggest flop of all times(near impossible). since very little is being revealed about mp2, it is to soon to come up with predictions.

Valve started the modding revolution which kept hl running for these 5 years and these guys are smart, they are going to release the sdk before the games. so, by seeing the sheer number of mods for hl people will buy hl.

KillJoy

08-03-2003, 12:17 AM

Uhh, you guys (Kevin's girl and wamplet) are missing out on a lot. Half-life is really good. Get it, at least to try it.

jaikrishnan

08-03-2003, 12:49 AM

well the title says it all. i am currently feeling that mp2 will kick the hell out of hl2. since there are no official screenshots on mp2, the two games can't be comapred on graphics.but i know one thing for sure-

1hl2-no cutscenes, you are GORDON FREEMAN everything happens from your view

2.mp2--cutscenes anf graphic novels,film noir. the story of a fugutive.

mp2 or hl2?

neeek

08-03-2003, 01:02 AM

both games are gonna be great anyway. both of them have a lot a things in common anyway, apart from them being a fps and a tps, one having aliens and the other having normal badguys being mobsters, thugs and scum, one of them is set in a modern day new york while the other is set in the very near future i think and also one has multiplayer while the other doesnt.

let me see, both will have really good graphics, better gameplay, intelligent a.i., longevity of the hrs played on both games, both will be on pc and xbox, both games will have mod editing tools, lip-synching, scripted events, and theyre both gonna be fun to play for ages.

Jade

08-03-2003, 07:19 AM

I don't know about the games...but Max is sexier! graemlins/love.gif images/icons/tongue.gif

Kevin's girl

08-03-2003, 03:51 PM

Originally posted by Jade:
I don't know about the games...but Max is sexier! graemlins/love.gif images/icons/tongue.gif YEAH!! images/icons/tongue.gif

Scotty

08-03-2003, 04:44 PM

Alyx vs Mona, hmmm.... images/icons/smile.gif

RollingBrass

08-03-2003, 04:55 PM

FOXY BOXING FOXY BOXING FOXY BOXING \o/ graemlins/love.gif

SRTDeagle

08-03-2003, 07:32 PM

Half-Life 2 is completely different and will be a game that I definately purchase. However, Max Payne 2 is on a totally different level and offers a different kind of gaming experience as everyone else has mentioned. I love the Max Payne style that Remedy has created and I love the Half-Life style that Valve has created. They are both to be treased in my big chest of gaming madness.

- (SRT)-DEAGLE
"COME GET SOME."

hemlock_0

08-03-2003, 08:05 PM

I think I'm the only person who didn't get excited over HL. I played the demo happily enough, but I was satisfied with that. Max, on the other hand...

Commodore

08-04-2003, 03:54 AM

I think HL2 will be better. I mean HL was the best before. So what's to stop it from being the best again?

jaikrishnan

08-04-2003, 06:19 AM

ok guys which is better-
max payne or half-life minus multiplayer

Marty

08-04-2003, 07:28 AM

*sigh*
the world would be a better place filled with butterflies, rainbows and health if there were no "game vs game" threads. so please dont make a poor baby out there eat a cigarette butt

FullMetalJacket

08-04-2003, 08:46 AM

Actually jaikrishnan, HL2's delay was a miscommunication. The game's release is set in stone for September 30th.

Wrathstalker

08-04-2003, 09:25 AM

Originally posted by Mars:
And in 3DR Forum's next exciting thread:

http://www.umu.se/studentcentrum/images/apple.jpg
VS
http://www.whybiotech.com/html/images/orange.jpg

Don't touch that internet dial!

(seriously, they're two very different games which we know very little about. it's all a matter of opinion based on speculation.) Well, I like the specular lightning on the apple.. but just look at the bumpmapped surface on the orange..

APPLE: 0

ORANGE: 1

images/icons/grin.gif just joking...

biXen

08-04-2003, 09:41 AM

I have no doubt that HL2 will be good, but it's not something I'm interested in, as I as someone else said am not amused by blasting zombies or bugs. Would maybe be fun for a while though, but I think a good TC or something would be only reason to get that or Doom. Half-Life wasn't all that IMO. I almost kicked the crap out of the first game because of the immensly boring intro which you couldn't skip (the one everyone else was mesmerized by). I am not a console gamer, I'm used to being able to skip boring crap images/icons/grin.gif

suprahukka

08-04-2003, 02:25 PM

Originally posted by biXen:
I have no doubt that HL2 will be good, but it's not something I'm interested in, as I as someone else said am not amused by blasting zombies or bugs. Would maybe be fun for a while though, but I think a good TC or something would be only reason to get that or Doom. Half-Life wasn't all that IMO. I almost kicked the crap out of the first game because of the immensly boring intro which you couldn't skip (the one everyone else was mesmerized by). I am not a console gamer, I'm used to being able to skip boring crap images/icons/grin.gif I really liked that bit. The first time. You really don't want to see it over and over again just because you want to play the game from the start again.

X-Vector

08-04-2003, 03:00 PM

I do.

Sometimes I just start a new game again just to relive the part from the opening trainride up until the 'accident'.

It never fails to grip me, still the best intro of any game I've ever played.

Scotty

08-04-2003, 05:34 PM

I liked how the "Blue-Shift" trainride showed things from a different perspective. images/icons/smile.gif

There was one "inside joke" that I didn't notice until I saw a higher-resolution screenshot in the PHL BS walkthrough.

-Scotty

...Prax Wars lives (http://www.planethalflife.com/screenshotblueshift.asp?src=/blueshift/walkthrough/images/bs1a02.jpg)!... images/icons/smile.gif

Prism

08-04-2003, 06:37 PM

Dash 9

08-04-2003, 08:29 PM

Comparing HL2 to MP2 is like comparing, yet again, Doom 3 to Kreed to Stalker to DNF to Quake 4 and so forth. Each game tell different stories in different ways in different worlds. There's plenty there for everyone and for every tastes.

Scotty

08-04-2003, 08:38 PM

-graphs:we don't know anything, but the MP graphs were much better than HL graphsWe also know that HL shipped in '98 and MP shipped in '01. images/icons/smile.gif

It would probably be more fair to compare the old MP E3 vids (for those of us that still have them) to HL. images/icons/smile.gif

Krursk

08-04-2003, 10:20 PM

Originaly posted by FullMetalJacket:
Half-Life1 was revolutionary to the shooter genre in many ways....
-It was the first FPS to feature lip-synch
-It was among the first to feature cinematic-feeling scripted events
-It was the first non-tactical shooter to have at least SOME real-world weapons
-It was the first non-tactical shooter that required you to replace magazines rather than simply running over ammo pickups
-It still has some of the best AI in any shooter

Not quite. Marathon had most of those features years earlier, as a matter of fact quite a few games pre half-life had those features including lipsync. As for AI have you ever played halo?

KillJoy

08-04-2003, 11:01 PM

Even if the 2 games genres are different, the points of view are the same, and I mean:
-graphs:we don't know anything, but the MP graphs were much better than HL graphs
-gameplay:i think that mp2 has a slight advantage
-control:both games are pretty easy to control
-storyline:MP2 blows HL2 by far
-multiplayer:HL2>MP2
-sound:i think MP2 will have the better sound, even the best sound
How can you judge story if you havent seen either of them? Or Sound? Or Control scheme?

Personally I think that HL2 and MP2 are completely different games, and it is impossible to compare them both. Personally I think Half-life 2 will get game of the year, and MP2 will get Action Game of the Year.

biXen

08-05-2003, 01:15 AM

Who cares what games win the game of the year award. Might as well call it hype of the year. It's like with Oscars, ripping off the best movies every god damn year. (Goodfellas, Shawshank Redemption, etc.)

Point is that HL2 has always been revolutionary in some aspect, but that alone isn't enough for me to enjoy it, cause it has the wrong setting, and with todays volume of games I can afford to look the other way then. Which we never did back in the Doom and ROTT days, everything owned back then images/icons/tongue.gif

0marTheZealot

08-05-2003, 02:01 AM

HL2 looks far more impressive. The game Valve is trying to draw you into is complete with emotions (the number one thing the developers themselves impresses them the most), physics, AI, interactivity and story telling.

HL2 aims to revolutionize, while continuing a sequel.

MP2 looks to be content with staying in its lil niche.

They both look good, but for THE pick for the better game has to go to HL2. Valve is aiming a bit higher than Remedy images/icons/smile.gif

KillJoy

08-05-2003, 01:20 PM

I hate comparing two games. Makes me take sides when I dont want to.

Marty

08-05-2003, 08:31 PM

^ u dont have to. just sit on the fence and laugh at both sides who seem to be making a living out of it.

KillJoy

08-05-2003, 08:49 PM

^ I dont have a tongue, so I can't laugh. It just sounds like rapid breathing. So I will just be sitting up there, on the fence, hyperventalating. images/icons/shocked.gif jk

[ 08-05-2003, 08:52 PM: Message edited by: KillJoy ]

Mars

08-05-2003, 11:39 PM

Originally posted by Wrathstalker:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Mars:
stuffWell, I like the specular lightning on the apple.. but just look at the bumpmapped surface on the orange..

APPLE: 0

ORANGE: 1

images/icons/grin.gif just joking... <hr /></blockquote>Actually, I wrote a high school paper on the subject once, and the orange came out far ahead. Taste and texture are pure opinion, but the orange has more health benefits, has that great protecting skin on the outside, and conveys more uplifting imagery than the apple. It was a most excellent paper.

suprahukka

08-06-2003, 03:02 AM

Originally posted by Marty:
^ u dont have to. just sit on the fence and laugh at both sides who seem to be making a living out of it. Good bit of advice there. No sarcasm, I really mean it images/icons/wink.gif

Originally posted by 0mar:
HL2 looks far more impressive. The game Valve i Valve is aiming a bit higher than Remedy images/icons/smile.gif I don't understand. Different games, different styles.

asker

08-09-2003, 10:18 PM

The Oscars are pre-planned and shadow-run by a certain group. You probably wouldn't guess who they are, though. (And NO, it's not the bloody Freemasons!)

But as for gaming quality: the quality of a game rarely determines sales nearly as much as the hype does. Someone mentioned WC3, and that's a great example. It sold hundreds of thousands of copies more than it deserved to.

Then there's an underdog game like System Shock 2, that should have sold millions, but in reality did not, and the company took the gaming engine to a new series, sold the license, and eventually went under. No game has been made with that license.

Max Payne 2 will sell more copies than Max Payne did. It doesn't matter if it lives up to the original or not: the first game was not hyped all that much until its release and gaming magazines are already hopping up and down about MP2 months before it's planned to hit store shelves.

Half-Life 2 will still sell more copies, because those same magazines have more, bigger, articles about it.

As for the release date of HL2 being pushed back: I think everyone know when they said "September 30!" that there was no way in Hell that was going to happen.

KillJoy

08-09-2003, 10:40 PM

The push back for HL2 was fake. It was made up at planethalf-life. Go see for yourself. September 30th, Half-Life 2 will be sitting on my hard-drive. Unless it gets delayed of course.

dark_angel

08-10-2003, 03:01 AM

Comparing two AAA titles is just a ill advice !

Fortune Hunter

08-11-2003, 04:02 AM

ITS ALL A MATTER OF OPINION.

For those who dont see the diff between appples and oranges lets compare two games.

Comparing Hl2 to MP2 is like comparing PONG to RTCW.

Neek said it best with his ideas.

HL2 MP2
fps tps
aliens humans
sci-fi drama/mysterie
Future modern
lasers Dual berretas

and finnally the story is told in different ways.
so does anyone get the picture yet?

IMO i wont buy doom because I never really LIKED THE GAME even though it was on of the firsts of its kind. I liked HL I THOUGHT it was solid and fun, as a bonus it had grat mods.
I like MP thats why Im here, It has some good and some okay mods.

I am going to buy both because I can and I want the BEST of BOTH worlds.

also as Omar sort of hit on but then got into opinions on is that HL2 is setting a new standard. They are out there. MP2 is carrying on a TRADITION with the story and noir of the first.

HL2's improvements with add to the game that IMO will partly be good by itself.

MP2 could get damaged by some of the improvements. Look at HL2's Physics gun (for those that ahve seen it images/icons/smile.gif ) Its really cool and shows of the engine capabilities. Plus it fits into the wierd sci-fi game. Try putting a laser that can pick up objects into mp2. NO! Yes some things from hl2 would be great in Mp2 like the interactive enviro (see the computer accident in kleiners lab video) but 2 different companies cant share ideas. hl2's engine is being made with the game. only when Hl2 comes out and is a success will valve start selling the engine to game companies. So MP2's makers would need to race to add STUFF like Hl2 which would probably take longer and possibly reduce the amount of time spent on making ALL the story stuff like cutscenes and novels (sam lake makes the great story but he doesnt code it or draw or script he writes like he should) thus taking away some of the stuff that makes MP what it is.

Final word on the VS. competition. MP is MP HL is HL, not comparable.