Max Payne 2 Physics Engine [Archive]

SRTDeagle

08-05-2003, 12:36 AM

As we all know, Max Payne 2 will be using the Havok physics engine. This means much more realistic gameplay. What kinds of things will this new engine be able to do that Max Payne 1 wasn't able to do? When I think of great physics, I think of Metal Gear Sold 2. That game used some of the best physics I've ever seen. Will Max Payne 2 inherit most of the properties seen in MGS2? Also, being the fact that MP2 will have better graphics, levels, and physic engine.... how much load will this put on the CPU/etc? Max Payne didn't need a beast of a machine to run. Many people who plan on playing Doom 3 will need to get new systems. All this info makes me wonder. Perhaps a keen individual out there would be so kind as to fill all of us in.

- (SRT)-DEAGLE
"Open your eyes as the truth is there."

KillJoy

08-05-2003, 12:53 AM

The poor search button never gets used.

...sniff...

http://forums.3drealms.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=4;t=004170

http://forums.3drealms.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=4;t=004083

http://forums.3drealms.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=4;t=004128

http://forums.3drealms.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=4;t=003956

These are links to forum posts, you might also want to go to the Havok site (http://www.havok.com/) , they have some demos there.

Kevin's girl

08-05-2003, 12:58 AM

Is this Physics engine just something for computers? I'm sorry...

KillJoy

08-05-2003, 01:02 AM

Is this Physics engine just something for computers? I'm sorry...
What do you mean? It is computer software.

Wait wait wait... Do you mean instead of on a console? Yes the Havok engine is PC exclusive (as far as I know).

SkavenRMD

08-05-2003, 02:29 AM

Will Max Payne 2 inherit most of the properties seen in MGS2?As far as I know, Metal Gear Solid II's gameplay is not based on physics. You shouldn't draw comparisons just because both games happen to have physics. MGS is about stealth, while Max Payne is about gunplay.

[ 08-05-2003, 02:32 AM: Message edited by: SkavenRMD ]

Ninja

08-05-2003, 05:00 AM

I think he meant the stuff like steam coming off at different angles depending on where you shot them, the different reactions of shooting bottles, food, flour etc Skaven.

Kev_Hectic

08-05-2003, 05:16 AM

Originally posted by KillJoy:
<blockquote>quote:<hr /> Is this Physics engine just something for computers? I'm sorry...
What do you mean? It is computer software.

Wait wait wait... Do you mean instead of on a console? Yes the Havok engine is PC exclusive (as far as I know). <hr /></blockquote>Actually I don't think their physics engine is exclusive to PC's. Just by looking at the site I can see that there are quite a few PS2 and XBox games that'll be using it, as well as the console ports to MP2 (If there are going to be ports) and HL2.

Laza

08-05-2003, 06:15 AM

I am very interested... Will we be able to play Max Payne 2 on older systems, or we have to upgrade our machines?

biXen

08-05-2003, 07:48 AM

You can pretty much double the requirements from Max Payne 1 I assume. Something like 800MHz, GF3 64MB, 256MB RAM etc. Of course it'll all depend on what standards you set to be able to enjoy the game, most games will run at less, but play like hell.

Claws

08-05-2003, 08:36 AM

It's still the same engine at its core, so the requirements shouldn't be too steep (Not Doom3, HL2, or Deus Ex2 steep).

FullMetalJacket

08-05-2003, 09:08 AM

HL2 won't be steep at all. A mid-range system from 1999 will be able to run it, though of course it would end up looking like the first game. images/icons/tongue.gif

DX2 is supposed to be very steep, but that's mainly because the Unreal Warfare engine is a system hog in any game but UT2003....

And Doom3's not out till next year, so no one should be worried about that anyway.

And Max2 might have the same engine at its core, but it doesn't look like a two-year-old game. images/icons/grin.gif It looks far better than any game that's currently out, plus the facial skins are more realistic than those of HL2. Plus it has lip-synch this time around. images/icons/grin.gif

Kevin's girl

08-05-2003, 11:31 AM

Originally posted by Kev_Hectic:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by KillJoy:
<blockquote>quote:<hr /> Is this Physics engine just something for computers? I'm sorry...
What do you mean? It is computer software.

Wait wait wait... Do you mean instead of on a console? Yes the Havok engine is PC exclusive (as far as I know). <hr /></blockquote>Actually I don't think their physics engine is exclusive to PC's. Just by looking at the site I can see that there are quite a few PS2 and XBox games that'll be using it, as well as the console ports to MP2 (If there are going to be ports) and HL2. <hr /></blockquote>Awesome! Thank you guys. I just wanted to know what it was since I'll be buying Max Payne 2 for my PS2. I'll probably have to wait longer than you guys to get it though.

But my computer has Windows XP. So could I get MP2 for my computer, or would I have to buy upgrades for it and stuff like that? I have never bought a game for my PC so I'm new at this images/icons/smile.gif All the games I buy are for consoles. images/icons/smile.gif

SRTDeagle

08-05-2003, 11:41 AM

Originally posted by SkavenRMD:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Will Max Payne 2 inherit most of the properties seen in MGS2?As far as I know, Metal Gear Solid II's gameplay is not based on physics. You shouldn't draw comparisons just because both games happen to have physics. MGS is about stealth, while Max Payne is about gunplay. <hr /></blockquote>I wasn't trying to compair the gameplay of MGS2, more the physics. MGS2 has some of the best physics I have ever seen in a game. More importantly, I was trying to get an idea of how advanced the Havok engine really is. Believe me, I am excited as hell for Max to kick some more ass, but just wanted a better idea of what kind of physics we are dealing with and how it could affect gameplay.

- (SRT)-DEAGLE
"It's time to kickass and chew bubblegum. I'm all out of gum."

KillJoy

08-05-2003, 01:10 PM

But my computer has Windows XP. So could I get MP2 for my computer, or would I have to buy upgrades for it and stuff like that? I have never bought a game for my PC so I'm new at this All the games I buy are for consoles.
It really depends on what kind of computer you have, not the operating system. So if your machine reaches or goes above the system requirements then you should be fine.

Kevin's girl

08-05-2003, 03:50 PM

Thanks Killjoy! I bet the graphics are far better on the Pc then the PS2. Am I right?

KillJoy

08-05-2003, 03:59 PM

You bet.

Kevin's girl

08-05-2003, 09:13 PM

So is it true that the PC version of Max payne 2 will be out before the PS2 and Xbox versions? I heard that on a website and I hope its not true! Because if I can't get the game for my PC I will have to wait even longer!! images/icons/smile.gif That would not be a good thing...LOL
*me gives evil eye to no one in particular*

Sorry for so many dumb questions!

KillJoy

08-05-2003, 09:21 PM

^ If you cannot get it for your PC, you will have to wait until December 19th 2003 for Xbox, and early 2004 for PS2.

Sorry for so many dumb questions!
The only dumb questions in this forum contain the words: Max, Face, and Dumb in the same sentence.

I really hope it works on your computer, because I would go nuts if I had to wait that long.

FullMetalJacket

08-05-2003, 09:26 PM

Originally posted by Kevin's girl:
I bet graphics are far better on the PC then the PS2 (and Xbox, Gamecube.....)This is always, always, always true. Always!

And Max2 will be out on PC a little before the console versions, and I for one am very glad, especially since we PC users got f*cked over, having to wait to get Splinter Cell until it had been on Xbox for four months....and Knights of The Old Republic isn't due out till October-ish....and hell, we're STILL waiting for Halo... images/icons/rolleyes.gif

KillJoy

08-05-2003, 09:34 PM

^ I feel your pain FMJ. I feel it. But Halo will be out in late september, Kotor will actually be out in middle november, and I have beaten Splinter Cell five times.

Now that I think about it....

-Halo is a cool PC game...Microsoft buys Bungie...We dont see Halo for FOUR years.

-KOTOR is a cool game...Microsoft gives loads of money to BioWare...Kotor becomes Xbox exclusive for four months and counting.

-Splinter Cell was origionally for Xbox, so I cant whine about that one.

Microsoft really IS a pain in the ass. graemlins/brickwall.gif

Remedy, If Microzilla lumbers towards you with gobs of cash, pull a 180 and run like hell.

[ 08-05-2003, 09:40 PM: Message edited by: KillJoy ]

Kevin's girl

08-05-2003, 09:36 PM

How would I be able to know if my computer is good enough to play Max payne? You can see I'm not much of a computer person... images/icons/smile.gif

I'm sorry you Pc goers got screwed over. max Payne 2 is not gonna let you down! images/icons/smile.gif

KillJoy

08-05-2003, 09:38 PM

Well, the system requirements are not out yet, so we will have to wait.

Do you know what kind of machine you got?

Kevin's girl

08-06-2003, 12:05 AM

What do you mean by machine...?
Its a Pentium 4. My computer is a Dell 2300 Dimension Desk top if that helps.

Again I'm really sorry at how lame I am... images/icons/smile.gif
I hope I can get it for the PC!

SRTDeagle

08-06-2003, 12:10 AM

Originally posted by Kevin's girl:
What do you mean by machine...?
Its a Pentium 4. My computer is a Dell 2300 Dimension Desk top if that helps.

Again I'm really sorry at how lame I am... images/icons/smile.gif
I hope I can get it for the PC! You're pretty funny. What was meant here is what kind of parts does your system contain? For example, kind of memory and the amount, hard drive size, cpu speed, graphics card/video card. All these things make up your computer and without them, you wouldn't be able to chat here on the forums. Anyways, games always do look better on the PC, assuming you have all the latest hardware. I do like console systems, however, I have always perfered my custom made computer as my pride and joy over any console system.

- (SRT)-DEAGLE
"Tis only a flesh wound."

Kev_Hectic

08-06-2003, 09:03 AM

Originally posted by Kevin's girl:
What do you mean by machine...?
Its a Pentium 4. My computer is a Dell 2300 Dimension Desk top if that helps.

Again I'm really sorry at how lame I am... images/icons/smile.gif
I hope I can get it for the PC! Eh, don't worry about the lameness.

Is THIS (http://asia.cnet.com/reviews/hardware/desktops/0,39001725,39006802p,00.htm) your computer? If it is, then it looks like it'll be good enough to me. Although I have to wonder about the integrated video card, would 16MB of video ram be good enough? I dunno.

And yeah PC is the way to go, your missing out on a lot of great mods and extras if you get the console version.

FullMetalJacket

08-06-2003, 09:49 AM

Originally posted by Kev_Hectic:
would 16MB of video ram be good enough? I very, very strongly doubt it. If it could run the game at all, it'd probably run like a bad guy with a leg wound....or, even wittier, the whole game would seem like it was in bullet time! images/icons/grin.gif

Synti

08-07-2003, 08:06 AM

If MP2 uses Havoc physics engine there will be some sweeeet bullettimes. And remedy, I DEMAND that you put lots and lots and lots and lots of little stuff around the tables and such. So as I blast a guy with shotgun I can watch him fly on bullettime over the table and I can see smashing glasses, flying beer cans and stuff like this.

biXen

08-07-2003, 08:55 AM

Hmm, I wonder how cpu heavy this physics engine is. They can't really put physics on every damn thing, it would be a strain I'd think. Well dunno, might not be.

aavenr

08-07-2003, 10:11 AM

Originally posted by FullMetalJacket:
[QUOTE]even wittier, the whole game would seem like it was in bullet time! images/icons/grin.gif lol, nice one. images/icons/grin.gif

biXen: yes, havok physics definitively eats cpu power, you can't just model anything at full detail. I am guessing they will be stressing the characters on this regard, don't think they will apply it that much to the objects in the level...

biXen

08-07-2003, 10:22 AM

Yep, me too...

FMJ: There's a difference between slow-mo and just lacking a shitload of frames images/icons/tongue.gif

Kevin's girl

08-08-2003, 08:02 PM

Originally posted by Kev_Hectic:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Kevin's girl:
What do you mean by machine...?
Its a Pentium 4. My computer is a Dell 2300 Dimension Desk top if that helps.

Again I'm really sorry at how lame I am... images/icons/smile.gif
I hope I can get it for the PC! Eh, don't worry about the lameness.

Is THIS (http://asia.cnet.com/reviews/hardware/desktops/0,39001725,39006802p,00.htm) your computer? If it is, then it looks like it'll be good enough to me. Although I have to wonder about the integrated video card, would 16MB of video ram be good enough? I dunno.

And yeah PC is the way to go, your missing out on a lot of great mods and extras if you get the console version. <hr /></blockquote>Yes that is my computer!!! images/icons/smile.gif I couldn't figure out how much memory and giga bites it had so I went on a Dell website. But they didn't have my model computer anymore! How did you come across that? images/icons/smile.gif Well thanks. I hope my computer will have enough memory or whatever. How can I figure out what machine my computer has? I couldn't find it in that useless book that came with it. Is there something i can click on on my computer?

Sorry it took me so long to reply, I had school! images/icons/frown.gif

Kev_Hectic

08-10-2003, 06:14 AM

^ I did a Google search for "Dell Dimension 2300" and that was one of the first results it came up with. images/icons/smile.gif

If you want to check your PC's specs the only way I know how to do it would be to click on the start menu, go to programs, accessories,system tools, then click on system information. From there click on tools, then direct x diagnostic tool, under the system tab there should be info on your processor and memory (ram). The display tab should give you some info on your video/graphics card (you can also do this by right clicking your desktop, select properties, and then click 'advance' in settings), and the sound tab should tell you some information sound card. Tou can check your hard drive by going into my computer and right clicking ( C: ) (if your hard drive is C: ) then selecting properties.

There are many others ways (and probably easier ways) to check these things though. graemlins/doh.gif

Kevin's girl

08-10-2003, 03:19 PM

Thanks Kev_Hectic! That helped me out a lot!
I guess we won't be able to know the requirements for Max Payne 2 until later...

But I was wondering anyway if my computer could play the first Max Payne on it.
This is what I found out about the machine. I hope this is helpful.

Processor: Intel (R) Pentium (R) 4 cpu 1.80Ghz
Memory: 254 MB RAM
Page file: 173 MB used, 452MB available
Direct X Version: Direct X 8.1
Intel (R): Extreme Graphics Controller
Sound Name: SoundMAX Digital Audio

Thats what I found but of course there was a lot more too. I just didn't know what half of it ment. Now how would I know if my computer could support the new Physics Engine?
Again, real sorry... images/icons/smile.gif

Kev_Hectic

08-10-2003, 11:06 PM

^ It should be able to run the first Max Payne just fine. I don't see why it couldn't? I'm looking at the back of the Max Payne case and the requirements are:

- Anywhere from a 450mhz to 700mhz processor.
You have a 1.80ghz processor. (1.80ghz = 1800mhz)

- 96mb to 128mb of ram. You have 256.

- 16mb to 32mb video card. Yours is a 16MB video card.

So yeah, it should run. I don't know how you can tell if your computer is going to run Max Payne 2. Your going to half to wait till one of the Remedy people say something about it.

Sorry about derailing this thread of topic by the way images/icons/tongue.gif

08-11-2003, 03:49 AM

^I highly doubt MP1 would run properly on that machine. It might start, but it's most likely slow as hell.

My advice: Either get a new gfx card or stick with the console versions.

Kev_Hectic

08-11-2003, 06:02 AM

I dunno, Max Payne runs on my shitty celeron 466, with 256mb's of ram and 32mb geforce 2 card. Not smoothly, but I still found it to be playable.

But I could be wrong about Kev girl's computer, It doesn't seem to be made for gaming. It has an integrated video card and no extra slot for add-on graphic cards.

Kevin's girl could always download the MP demo (http://www.3dgamers.com/games/maxpayne/) and try it out I guess (if you have anything faster then a 56k connection).

Kevin's girl

08-11-2003, 08:24 PM

Thanks guys! You really helped me out! I will have to download that Mp Demo and try it out.

Again thanks guys! And sorry about getting off the subject...Okay where were we...
Aw yes... Max Payne 2 physics Engine... images/icons/smile.gif

Krursk

08-19-2003, 12:32 AM

Havok and Mathengine arn't these super mystical engines. Its a animation and collision system. They are created independantly to any single software such as a game. All they do is replace the code that a software develper would normaly have to write for things such as animation, hit detection, object interaction and physics systems. People get these big hard ons for 'Physics' like its new to games or something. Using a third party applications to make your sofware is pretty standard these days. All this new "OMFG PHYSICS" is nothing more than hype. Get over it.