Mod tools with windows 98?

[ugastastos]

I appoligize if this has been asked a million times and I used search and could not find anything but

Is there anyway to mod/edit max payne 2 with Windows 98 on your computer?

I really want to mod Max Payne 2 and the mod tools do not seem to work.

[Uisor]

well you can mod MP2 with win 98, but first you'll have to unpack all .ras files manually and even after that programs may not work.

[ugastastos]

Is it possible just to edit the bullet time. I would like to be able to mess around with the speed of bullet time and the speed Max runs while in it. That sort of thing. Can I just do a certain file or do a have to do the whole thing and make it complecated?

[vicious]

Just extract the MP2_Data file.
You'll get a folder calle 'data' with a bunch of files and folders in it.

The file you need (to edit the BT-properties) is called 'globalconfig'.
You can open it with the windows notepad.

After editing, you can leave it in the 'data'-folder (must eb located at your MP2-Folder) or archive it as a *.mp2m file (use rasmaker2 for that).
Before you archive it, you can delete all files, except the modified globalconfig.

omg ... hope this one can help you http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

-vicious

[ugastastos]

That doesn't seem too complicated, but lets start with step one. What do I need to extract the MP2_Data.ras, it is just an unrecognized file for me. Is that the right one though, the one in the Max Payne 2 directory?

[EnigmaZ]

you need the rasmaker that came with the mp2 mod tools, its a command line app so you wont be able to double clik the program and get a fancy gui.

[MrUniq]

look at kipstas tutorial website :google it.

[ugastastos]

That is a very good turorial but still, how do I get the rasmaker to get the files if I cant use the modtools?
And how excactly can I get globalconfig.txt?

[Digital_Utopia]

hmmn...lets see if I can do the job of finishing this line of questioning..lol

ok...first off...rasmaker is a seperate program for extracting the .ras files, and you can find it probably at most MP2 editing sites (I got mine from Levels4you...google it) there is a GUI if you're afraid of the DOS Prompt (also available at the same site) but you need rasmaker for the GUI to work.

now, if you extract the contents of MP_Data.ras using rasmaker....you will get a bunch of files (most likely all .txt and .h) among those files is a file named globalconfig.txt. within this file is a section titled "slow motion" and in this section are all the values for bullet-time.

If you need help figuring out what all the values are for, there is a decent tutorial about editing bullet-time on Kipsta's site...(just google Kipsta) read the tute, and edit away.

[ugastastos]

AHHH NOOO Kipstas tutorial site just closed.

Is it 'MP2_Data.ras' in your Max Payne 2 directory, because I extracted it using using RASMaster and there are a ton of files and directories, but there is no globalconfig.txt. I have searched and used 'find' but I come up empty. What am I doing wrong now?

Thanks

[Digital_Utopia]

ok...first an appology...remind me never to go along with what someone else says no matter how much it makes sense without checking first..lol

globalconfig.txt can be found in the MP2_Init.RAS file, and NOT the MP2_Data.Ras file...My bad.

[TerminX]

globalconfig.txt is in MP2_Init.ras.

[Digital_Utopia]

Is there an echo in here? lol http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[TerminX]

I don't recall the second part of your post being there when I posted. Did you edit?

[Digital_Utopia]

nope...I honestly didn't edit it.

I was just jokin wit u anyways, seen it happen plenty of times..lol

[MrUniq]

i'll miss telling newbs to look at kipstas website ....

[Digital_Utopia]

yeah, now we'll actually have to tell em how to do it...

(Kipsta, if you don't .pdf those tutes soon, all hell is gonna break loose!...lol I'll voulenteer even!...I got the software...and all but one of the tutes!...lol)

(Remedy please...release tutes for EVERYTHING like tomorrow...please?!)

ok...I've prayed to the tutorial gods...I've done all I can do...the rest is up to fate...and the mercy of the newbs..lol

[ugastastos]

Thanks guys for your help. Since I love playing the cinema mod I just took that and put in my own music and tweeked the bullet time to how I wanted it. With some trial and error I finnaly just about got it.

Thanks again.

[Jet]

hmmm... I've also been having problems with MaxEd2 in Win 98 SE. Originally, the installation wasn't working (it was failing at the extraction of database stage), but I fixed that by using Rasmaker and extracting the data files manually. Unfortunately, I then encountered another problem. Whenever I try to load a level or create a new level, it gives me an error message saying "An unexpected exception has occured while rendering. Please save your work and exit the program. Error message: CreateDevice failed - invalid call". I assume that this is a rendering problem (the installation works fine onto my friend's XP machine from the same file). My computer specs are as follows:

Windows 98 SE
AMD XP 2400+
512 mb RAM
64 mb ATI Radeon 7000 AGP.

I saw someone with a similar problem over at Deep Six, and the problem apparently could be solved by setting to 32 bit colour, but that's of no help to me, as me computer is always run in 32 bit colour at 1024 * 768 resolution. The only other possibility that I could think of is that maybe I need to download updated drivers (Catalyst 4.1 for a Radeon, right?) but before I take on that rather hefty dl (26mb on my 56k connection will probably take at least 3 hours), I wanted to find if someone here could provide me wioth some assistance. Any help will be much appreciated.

[Jet]

anyone have any suggestions on how to resolve this problem? If not, I'm gonna dl a new driver, but I suspect that's a long shot.

[Jet]

Suprise suprise, a new driver didn't work. I desperately need suggestions as to what I can try in order to get this thing to work. Is anyone here running MaxEd on Win98 SE? If so, did you encounter any problems along the way? How did you resolve them? Thanks in advance for any help you can lend.

[Digital_Utopia]

um...get a newer version of windows? lol

[Jet]

I'm beggining to think that may be the only solution... but I know that other people have managed to get MaxEd working with Win 98

[TerminX]

Why the hell would anybody WANT to run an obsolete piece of trash operating system?

Want to run MaxEd? Get an OS that isn't an unstable, 6 year old piece of shit already.

XP is actually quite nice, as far as Windows goes.

[Generator Gamer]

Why the hell would anybody WANT to run an obsolete piece of trash operating system?

Want to run MaxEd? Get an OS that isn't an unstable, 6 year old piece of shit already.

XP is actually quite nice, as far as Windows goes.



God, CALM DOWN!

What HAPPENED to you? You used to be nice and understanding... now you're being mean and unfair.

Believe it or not, not everybody has $90-$100 to spend on a new operating system, as well as hundreds of dollars to spend in program to help mod. Some people do, or have other legal ways of getting them. Some people don't, and they would prefer to spend their money on other things than a new OS that just adds support and a few little code fixes, among other things.

[TerminX]

Why the hell would anybody WANT to run an obsolete piece of trash operating system?

Want to run MaxEd? Get an OS that isn't an unstable, 6 year old piece of shit already.

XP is actually quite nice, as far as Windows goes.



God, CALM DOWN!

What HAPPENED to you? You used to be nice and understanding... now you're being mean and unfair.

Believe it or not, not everybody has $90-$100 to spend on a new operating system, as well as hundreds of dollars to spend in program to help mod. Some people do, or have other legal ways of getting them. Some people don't, and they would prefer to spend their money on other things than a new OS that just adds support and a few little code fixes, among other things.


I'm not being mean or unfair.. if you have the money to have a rig capable of running MP2 well enough to want to mod it, what the f*ck are you doing still running Win98?

$100 is nothing, anyways. XP is a "few little code fixes" above 98? You really need to do some reading, apparently.

MP2 is $40 -- there's a third of the money right there. Why don't people save that $40 to buy an operating system capable of running the game and it's tools properly? There's absolutely no reason to be using any 9x operating system in this day and age if you have hardware capable of running modern games.

Maybe I'm just sick of people trying to run stuff that they don't even meet MINIMUM requirements for and then complaining that it doesn't work.

A quick check of pricewatch shows that a Win2000 OEM license is about $45. If $45 is too much money for someone, modern gaming really isn't in their future.

Sorry to sound harsh, but if you're too cheap to upgrade to an OS capable of running the tools, tough shit.

[Generator Gamer]

Why the hell would anybody WANT to run an obsolete piece of trash operating system?

Want to run MaxEd? Get an OS that isn't an unstable, 6 year old piece of shit already.

XP is actually quite nice, as far as Windows goes.



God, CALM DOWN!

What HAPPENED to you? You used to be nice and understanding... now you're being mean and unfair.

Believe it or not, not everybody has $90-$100 to spend on a new operating system, as well as hundreds of dollars to spend in program to help mod. Some people do, or have other legal ways of getting them. Some people don't, and they would prefer to spend their money on other things than a new OS that just adds support and a few little code fixes, among other things.


I'm not being mean or unfair.. if you have the money to have a rig capable of running MP2 well enough to want to mod it, what the f*ck are you doing still running Win98?

$100 is nothing, anyways. XP is a "few little code fixes" above 98? You really need to do some reading, apparently.

MP2 is $40 -- there's a third of the money right there. Why don't people save that $40 to buy an operating system capable of running the game and it's tools properly? There's absolutely no reason to be using any 9x operating system in this day and age if you have hardware capable of running modern games.

Maybe I'm just sick of people trying to run stuff that they don't even meet MINIMUM requirements for and then complaining that it doesn't work.

A quick check of pricewatch shows that a Win2000 OEM license is about $45. If $45 is too much money for someone, modern gaming really isn't in their future.

Sorry to sound harsh, but if you're too cheap to upgrade to an OS capable of running the tools, tough shit.



Ahh, I forgot about Win. 2k.

Forget what I said there, chap!

[Canada_Dry]

Why the hell would anybody WANT to run an obsolete piece of trash operating system?

Want to run MaxEd? Get an OS that isn't an unstable, 6 year old piece of shit already.

XP is actually quite nice, as far as Windows goes.



God, CALM DOWN!

What HAPPENED to you? You used to be nice and understanding... now you're being mean and unfair.

Believe it or not, not everybody has $90-$100 to spend on a new operating system, as well as hundreds of dollars to spend in program to help mod. Some people do, or have other legal ways of getting them. Some people don't, and they would prefer to spend their money on other things than a new OS that just adds support and a few little code fixes, among other things.


I'm not being mean or unfair.. if you have the money to have a rig capable of running MP2 well enough to want to mod it, what the f*ck are you doing still running Win98?

$100 is nothing, anyways. XP is a "few little code fixes" above 98? You really need to do some reading, apparently.

MP2 is $40 -- there's a third of the money right there. Why don't people save that $40 to buy an operating system capable of running the game and it's tools properly? There's absolutely no reason to be using any 9x operating system in this day and age if you have hardware capable of running modern games.

Maybe I'm just sick of people trying to run stuff that they don't even meet MINIMUM requirements for and then complaining that it doesn't work.

A quick check of pricewatch shows that a Win2000 OEM license is about $45. If $45 is too much money for someone, modern gaming really isn't in their future.

Sorry to sound harsh, but if you're too cheap to upgrade to an OS capable of running the tools, tough shit.

i completely agree!

[Jet]

I have several reasons to be running Windows 98 SE. Firstly, Windows 2000 is in fact the most recent version of NT. It is not related to the home versions of Windows (9x, ME and XP) and as such is poorly suited to use in a home computing environment. Windows ME is buggy and unstable and Windows XP, while a viable option for home computing and gaming, is not the operating system I choose to use for several reasons. Firstly, XP is a very poor operating system for running DOS programs, as, unlike OSs, XP is completely independent of DOS at the lowest level. I still run several DOS applications and as such need an OS that can interface with DOS satisfactorily. Additionally, while XP may be a relatively small investment in the US, the cheapest version of XP (Windows XP professional upgrade academic edition) costs in excess of 150 Australian dollars. Now, to put that in context, I got my version of Max Payne 2 for 50 Australian dollars. A Windows OS represents a significant investment that I'm not willing for the minimal gain it would provide me with. For that reason, at this point in time, I do not have Windows XP and do not intend to get it in the short term. I simply posted here asking for help, as I thought that, rather than spending $150 on a new operating system or giving up entirely, I could get help from other members of the community who have had similar problems.

[TerminX]

I have several reasons to be running Windows 98 SE. Firstly, Windows 2000 is in fact the most recent version of NT. It is not related to the home versions of Windows (9x, ME and XP) and as such is poorly suited to use in a home computing environment. Windows ME is buggy and unstable and Windows XP, while a viable option for home computing and gaming, is not the operating system I choose to use for several reasons. Firstly, XP is a very poor operating system for running DOS programs, as, unlike OSs, XP is completely independent of DOS at the lowest level. I still run several DOS applications and as such need an OS that can interface with DOS satisfactorily. Additionally, while XP may be a relatively small investment in the US, the cheapest version of XP (Windows XP professional upgrade academic edition) costs in excess of 150 Australian dollars. Now, to put that in context, I got my version of Max Payne 2 for 50 Australian dollars. A Windows OS represents a significant investment that I'm not willing for the minimal gain it would provide me with. For that reason, at this point in time, I do not have Windows XP and do not intend to get it in the short term. I simply posted here asking for help, as I thought that, rather than spending $150 on a new operating system or giving up entirely, I could get help from other members of the community who have had similar problems.


I stopped reading your post when you said XP wasn't NT. It was at that point I concluded, rightfully so, that you do not know what you're talking about.

XP is NT 5.1, bud. Also, paragraphs are good -- I suggest using them in the future.

[EnigmaZ]

but if you continued readin you would see he made a damn good reason for not using xp, and that was that it shits itself when runnin dos apps, but yea he was wrong about 2000 being the latest version of NT, it goes NT4, 2000, then XP, XP = latest

[Jet]

By neglecting to read my post fully, you missed the point. Windows XP is aimed largely at home users, regardless of internal architecture. Windows 2000 was and is not aimed at personal users, but rather is primarily a workstation operating system. But that was not my point.

I apologise for not using paragraphs previously, but here is my previous post, in paragraph form, in case you would like to read it.



I have several reasons to be running Windows 98 SE.

Firstly, Windows 2000 is in fact the most recent version of NT. It is not related to the home versions of Windows (9x, ME and XP) and as such is poorly suited to use in a home computing environment.

Windows ME is buggy and unstable and Windows XP, while a viable option for home computing and gaming, is not the operating system I choose to use for several reasons.

Firstly, XP is a very poor operating system for running DOS programs, as, unlike OSs, XP is completely independent of DOS at the lowest level. I still run several DOS applications and as such need an OS that can interface with DOS satisfactorily.

Additionally, while XP may be a relatively small investment in the US, the cheapest version of XP (Windows XP professional upgrade academic edition) costs in excess of 150 Australian dollars. Now, to put that in context, I got my version of Max Payne 2 for 50 Australian dollars.

A Windows OS represents a significant investment that I'm not willing for the minimal gain it would provide me with. For that reason, at this point in time, I do not have Windows XP and do not intend to get it in the short term.

I simply posted here asking for help, as I thought that, rather than spending $150 on a new operating system or giving up entirely, I could get help from other members of the community who have had similar problems.

[TerminX]

You can make more DOS apps run on XP than you think. Which DOS apps do you depend on? Quite a few apps run successfully under DOSBox (http://dosbox.sf.net), with more supported each release.

Of course, you could always dual boot or run 9x in VMWare or under VirtualPC, which might also be a good option.

Either way, don't expect to mod MP2 properly using that junky operating system. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Generator Gamer]

You can make more DOS apps run on XP than you think. Which DOS apps do you depend on? Quite a few apps run successfully under DOSBox (http://dosbox.sf.net), with more supported each release.

Of course, you could always dual boot or run 9x in VMWare or under VirtualPC, which might also be a good option.

Either way, don't expect to mod MP2 properly using that junky operating system. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif



Yeah, I was even thinking of doing that- I have seperate 40GB and 80GB hard drives and I wanna turn like 10 GB or so of the 20GB hard drive into Windows 98. I'm gonna take up programming, you see, and for some reason I like 98 more for programming.

[TerminX]

You can make more DOS apps run on XP than you think. Which DOS apps do you depend on? Quite a few apps run successfully under DOSBox (http://dosbox.sf.net), with more supported each release.

Of course, you could always dual boot or run 9x in VMWare or under VirtualPC, which might also be a good option.

Either way, don't expect to mod MP2 properly using that junky operating system. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif



Yeah, I was even thinking of doing that- I have seperate 40GB and 80GB hard drives and I wanna turn like 10 GB or so of the 20GB hard drive into Windows 98. I'm gonna take up programming, you see, and for some reason I like 98 more for programming.


Why would you want to program on a broken OS?

[theHunted]

You can make more DOS apps run on XP than you think. Which DOS apps do you depend on? Quite a few apps run successfully under DOSBox (http://dosbox.sf.net), with more supported each release.

Of course, you could always dual boot or run 9x in VMWare or under VirtualPC, which might also be a good option.

Either way, don't expect to mod MP2 properly using that junky operating system. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif



Yeah, I was even thinking of doing that- I have seperate 40GB and 80GB hard drives and I wanna turn like 10 GB or so of the 20GB hard drive into Windows 98. I'm gonna take up programming, you see, and for some reason I like 98 more for programming.


Why would you want to program on a broken OS?



it's called personal taste. every single human on this earth has got one and, believe it or not, they tend to be different.

[TerminX]

You can make more DOS apps run on XP than you think. Which DOS apps do you depend on? Quite a few apps run successfully under DOSBox (http://dosbox.sf.net), with more supported each release.

Of course, you could always dual boot or run 9x in VMWare or under VirtualPC, which might also be a good option.

Either way, don't expect to mod MP2 properly using that junky operating system. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif



Yeah, I was even thinking of doing that- I have seperate 40GB and 80GB hard drives and I wanna turn like 10 GB or so of the 20GB hard drive into Windows 98. I'm gonna take up programming, you see, and for some reason I like 98 more for programming.


Why would you want to program on a broken OS?



it's called personal taste. every single human on this earth has got one and, believe it or not, they tend to be different.


I realize that. I'm asking him why he prefers a broken OS. I wasn't asking you. Shoo.

[Generator Gamer]

You can make more DOS apps run on XP than you think. Which DOS apps do you depend on? Quite a few apps run successfully under DOSBox (http://dosbox.sf.net), with more supported each release.

Of course, you could always dual boot or run 9x in VMWare or under VirtualPC, which might also be a good option.

Either way, don't expect to mod MP2 properly using that junky operating system. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif



Yeah, I was even thinking of doing that- I have seperate 40GB and 80GB hard drives and I wanna turn like 10 GB or so of the 20GB hard drive into Windows 98. I'm gonna take up programming, you see, and for some reason I like 98 more for programming.


Why would you want to program on a broken OS?



it's called personal taste. every single human on this earth has got one and, believe it or not, they tend to be different.


I realize that. I'm asking him why he prefers a broken OS. I wasn't asking you. Shoo.



I dunno why. That's why I said "for some reason I like 98 more for programming."

I mean BASIC C++, not advanced 3D modeling and game development. And I've used 98 since I've been using computers for anything but typing up stuff, really, and I'm MUCH more used to it than the XP that I've only had for a year and two months.

[Canada_Dry]

terminX pwnes all!

[Generator Gamer]

terminX pwnes all!



As a modder: YES!

As a nice person: OCCASIONALLY!

[TerminX]

terminX pwnes all!



As a modder: YES!

As a nice person: OCCASIONALLY!


Hah. Well, I never claimed to be overly nice.. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif I'm just against the spread of inaccurate information and I prefer people know the truth about any given situation. Comments along the lines of "XP isn't NT based" really bug me, because of how blatantly inaccurate they are.

Of course, people wouldn't be making said comments if they'd bothered to research what they're talking about before talking about it, and that kind of bothers me too. I see lots of whining and misinformation, but I don't seem to see people researching before they type.

Oh well.

[MrUniq]

LOL what a thread..well I use Windows 2000 and XP....I used to use 9x but I dumped that a long time ago because my experiences are better with the current...even with DOS apps. I even used Linux a bit...but Windows 2000 is tops performance/stability wise. My rig is up to par and XP STILL drags sometims because of all it's apps/drivers.

And you can always multiple boot....but i know those OS's are expensive. I always got my copies from the University or friends.

[Digital_Utopia]

nothin wrong with either of those MrUniq..lol..

as for "personal taste" yes, every human has the right to have it...and none of us here are disputing that. HOWEVER....we're not bashing on anyone for their "taste" we're bashing on people who find it necessary to try to do the latest and greatest stuff with an outdated OS, (and it is outdated...its at least 7 years old). and wondering why they have trouble getting it to work.

No one here says you have to go run out and get WinXp...and $45 for Win2000 is a damn good price. speaking of Win2000...what the hell are you talking about..."not suitable for home computing"? I think you have your NTs screwed up...because Win2000 is just as much suitable for home computing as any Windows version with the exception of Windows NT. Windows 2000 was created to bring the stability of NT to the Windows home user...and when you look at it ...if anything is a "few code fixes" away from Xp it would be 2000...take out the pretty skin, and all the user friendly sh*t and you basically have Windows 2000...

and the next time, at least try to know what you're talking about before trying to justify your reasons for sticking with something? you sound like the guy who get's his dead dog stuffed because he doesn't want to admit its dead.

and believe me...Win 98 is dead.

and yes...Windows (bluescreen) Millenium Edition sucksalotacock.