Old 02-26-2009, 07:38 AM   #1
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Faster than Joe, who would have thought?

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Good Old Games gives you some old Apogee/3D Realms classics DRM free and compatible with Windows XP/Vista! Head here to look at the current/upcoming catalogue.

Or maybe you are interested in the Apogee lottery anonunced with this release?

So jump in, after all Duke Nukem 3D goes for only $5.99!
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Old 02-26-2009, 07:40 AM   #2
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Odd that there was no talks before this

But great!
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Old 02-26-2009, 07:46 AM   #3
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Damn you, i just made a thread with your very message too
This is some freaking awesome news though, i'll rebuy any gam i have there, as well get the ones i never played..!
I just reported my thread, it was locked in time though... So it's cool...

I wonder how i'll like Blake Stone...
And i hope many other titles get up there very soon
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Old 02-26-2009, 08:18 AM   #4
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Never played ROTT and I lost my copy of DNMP.... and 6 bucks a piece is hard to beat...
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Old 02-26-2009, 08:41 AM   #5
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Sounds good, but I'm thinking how will this affect the sales of the games that 3D Realms offer here. Maybe revenue of those older games isn't so important, or they are looking at GoG as a solid partner for digital distribution.
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Old 02-26-2009, 09:13 AM   #6
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There's no DRM on GoG.
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Old 02-26-2009, 09:16 AM   #7
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Time to buy my 4th copy of Duke Nukem 3D.

Lifetime online support, extras and whatnot. Yeahh!
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Old 02-26-2009, 10:22 AM   #8
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DN:MP and RotT... awesome
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Old 02-26-2009, 11:06 AM   #9
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I LOVE gog.com. I got Fallout 1 and 2 from them and they work perfectly on my Vista machine.
And all the extras you get for such a little price tag is just amazing.
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Old 02-26-2009, 11:23 AM   #10
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Lovely. As I don't know where my copy of Duke3D went, I'm heading there to "get some".
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Old 02-26-2009, 01:10 PM   #11
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Pow!!!

GOG is great, I was just there a couple days ago checking out some new stuff like 2 days ago, this must be new.

Count me in.... not like I need yet another copy
But it's the principle of the matter that forces me to buy it on GOG
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Old 02-26-2009, 01:23 PM   #12
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Ill probably buy all of them, just to have digital copies (plus I lost my Blake Stone discs) and to support Apogree/3DR (and GoG).
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Old 02-26-2009, 01:29 PM   #13
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You guys must realize this only means Apogee developed games are coming down the pipe. Apogee published games are still a no-no unless the original developers decide to release them [on GOG].

I should be pissed, as I just bought RoTT from the 3DR store a month ago, and it cost $15, whereas on GOG I expect it to be 5.99 or less. Bad luck, I have.

... and I don't understand all these fools tripping over themselves to buy another copy, when they already have a functioning one.
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Old 02-26-2009, 02:17 PM   #14
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I should be pissed, as I just bought RoTT from the 3DR store a month ago, and it cost $15, whereas on GOG I expect it to be 5.99 or less. Bad luck, I have.
Woot!!!
it will be $5.99 it says so right on the site.

I haven't played it in ..... Forever


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... and I don't understand all these fools tripping over themselves to buy another copy, when they already have a functioning one.
I have 2... I already had it when they did a promo and released a full copy in Computer Gaming World
as far as functioning..... well I was using an old system - now it's NO DOSBOX necessary
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Old 02-26-2009, 02:49 PM   #15
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This is great news for some things. Others I'll stay with 3DR store as I like feeling the Physical Medium in my hands or on my shelves.

Definitely going to pick up others I don't care about having the actual disks for.
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Old 02-26-2009, 02:52 PM   #16
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What is the deal with TMP? I thought it was stuck in limbo?
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Same here, but hell I'll buy it for 6 bucks.
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Old 02-27-2009, 01:52 AM   #18
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Faster than Joe, who would have thought?
That's because I didn't find out about this until today myself. This blindsided me.

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I LOVE gog.com. I got Fallout 1 and 2 from them and they work perfectly on my Vista machine.
They're using some sort of DOSBox clone, I believe. I knew this stuff was eventually coming, but it showing up today was total news to me.

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I have 2... I already had it when they did a promo and released a full copy in Computer Gaming World as far as functioning..... well I was using an old system - now it's NO DOSBOX necessary
See above. At least with our old games, I know they don't have the source to recompile them into windows. They're the same old DOS games as far as I know. Unless they struck a deal with the DOSBox guys I don't know about for an "invisible" DOSBox or something... It's likely just a clone of DOSBox they're using. It's not like the Scott Host new executable for Raptor or something like that. It is the same old game again, just with some short of shell.

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What is the deal with TMP? I thought it was stuck in limbo?
There was some work being done to unstick it. Presumably it got resolved, but since I wasn't told about this gog launch of our old games, I'm not surprised I wasn't told about that either.
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Old 02-27-2009, 02:06 AM   #19
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DN Manhattan Project? I thought that it was lost
in bankruptcy hell? Can someone please explain this
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Old 02-27-2009, 02:09 AM   #20
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From wikipedia

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In 2004 Manhattan Project developer ARUSH Entertainment was bought out by HIP Interactive. Soon afterwards, HIP went bankrupt, and took Arush down with them. Because of bankruptcy proceedings, the legal rights to Manhattan Project are now held by a court appointed bankruptcy firm.

3D Realms has inquired about retrieving the rights, but has been unable to do so. This has been detailed a few times online by Joe Siegler of 3D Realms in their online forums[3][4], most recently in June 2006. Of the situation, Siegler said:

Arush got bought out by a larger company. The parent company went belly up, and took Arush down with 'em. DNMP is now the legal property of a court appointed holding company involved in the bankruptcy proceedings of the parent company whose name I can't remember.

Scott & I tried to contact them about either getting the rights back so we could sell it ourselves, or just releasing it as freeware. Unfortunately, said company "isn't interested in dealing with us", per Scott.

So DNMP is in rights hell, unfortunately. I would wager being the folks who "are" Duke Nukem, we could probably fight that and get the rights back, but it wouldn't be worth it, really. A lot of court costs just to release a game as freeware, or sell it when it didn't sell much in the first place.


Sometime after the bankruptcy, the official website for Duke Nukem: Manhattan Project was allowed to lapse, and as such was picked up by a domain squatter.[5] Fortunately, before all the materials were lost, Joe Siegler of 3D Realms was able to recover a copy of the contents of the official Duke Nukem: Manhattan Project website from a former ARUSH Games employee, and now hosts the former contents on the 3D Realms Website [1].
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Old 02-27-2009, 02:41 AM   #21
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@ Water12356

It sounds like the website material was recovered, not the
game.

@ Everyone else...

Is there anything stopping 3D Realms / Apogee from making a new
side scrolling Duke game? I don't that there is, but of course, I'm no lawyer.
If not themselves, then could someone license the rights to make a new
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Old 02-27-2009, 03:15 AM   #22
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See above. At least with our old games, I know they don't have the source to recompile them into windows. They're the same old DOS games as far as I know. Unless they struck a deal with the DOSBox guys I don't know about for an "invisible" DOSBox or something... It's likely just a clone of DOSBox they're using.
No clone or deal. They just use DOSBox. (check their thanks page)
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There was some work being done to unstick it. Presumably it got resolved, but since I wasn't told about this gog launch of our old games, I'm not surprised I wasn't told about that either.
If there's anything you can pass on to us info wise on what happened, it would be nice. If you can't I fully understand. It's really nice to see Duke and the other Apogee titles on GoG.
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If there's anything you can pass on to us info wise on what happened, it would be nice. If you can't I fully understand. It's really nice to see Duke and the other Apogee titles on GoG.
All I know is some time last year I saw some documents that stated some work was done with our lawyer to try and recover the rights to the game. That honestly is the extent of what I know. Logically, since it's listed as going to be for sale, those rights have been recovered.

Which, IMO is a good thing, as the game deserves to be out there, it's a good one.

Water123.. The text you quoted from Wikipedia. I wrote it.
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Thats why I used it. But I seriously hope the issue was resolved. I really enjoyed the demo of DN:MP.
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Thats why I used it. But I seriously hope the issue was resolved. I really enjoyed the demo of DN:MP.
As did I. Rights issue aside, DNMP was a good game, and if this gets it back out there, then I'm for it.

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No clone or deal. They just use DOSBox. (check their thanks page)
At the time I wrote that, I had not seen what they did. I bought the game myself this morning and checked it out.
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As did I. Rights issue aside, DNMP was a good game, and if this gets it back out there, then I'm for it.
Will you be updating the Wiki to reflect the new status?
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No clone or deal. They just use DOSBox. (check their thanks page)
You are the awesomist unofficial tech adviser I know of....

Just say DOSBox 3 times and you appear

Kinda like "Beetlejuice"

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Will you be updating the Wiki to reflect the new status?
Once I find out exactly what the status is, yeah.

Edit: OK, I edited it a bit.
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OK, I edited it a bit.


Always happy for the info.

PS - Will you be adding the GoG links for Duke Atomic and others to the 3DR Store?
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Logically, since it's listed as going to be for sale, those rights have been recovered.

Which, IMO is a good thing, as the game deserves to be out there, it's a good one.
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Always happy for the info.

PS - Will you be adding the GoG links for Duke Atomic and others to the 3DR Store?
Unknown. I've known about this deal less than 24 hours personally, so all those kinds of issues still need to be worked out.
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Old 02-27-2009, 01:55 PM   #33
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I think it's fantastic that DNMP is getting out there again. Highly underrated game and it's one top notch side scroller. It's a lot of nostalgia.

I bought Duke 3D from there yesterday so that's like my # copy. I've lost track.
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All I know is some time last year I saw some documents that stated some work was done with our lawyer to try and recover the rights to the game. That honestly is the extent of what I know. Logically, since it's listed as going to be for sale, those rights have been recovered.

Which, IMO is a good thing, as the game deserves to be out there, it's a good one.

Water123.. The text you quoted from Wikipedia. I wrote it.
Hehe. Just bought a copy of Duke Nukem Manhattan Project on Amazon.com last week. Happy to have a boxed copy, I have a slim jewel case copy. I haven't recieved the game yet, as it takes too long to arrive here, 3 weeks being the least.
I ordered it along with Duke Nukem Atomic and Max Payne for the Gameboy Advance . Deadly happy.
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Joe: I know this question is OFF TOPIC so dont get mad at me But if you guys recovered the rights for these games, would releasing the source code for SOME of these games be possible?
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I think 3DRealms would rather not plug GOG when they have some packaged product still hanging around... just a guess.


I'd like to see Balls of Steel over there. Who wouldn't grab an XP/Vista working copy of that for $5.99
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I don't get it, 3DR receives some cash from sales at GOG or what? How does all this work?
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Some revenue yes, based on their agreement. That's how I have understood the thing. Same with others.

GoG is a great service, and the shopping is easy.
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It's not like the Scott Host new executable for Raptor or something like that.
I've never heard of such a thing. I can't find it on 3dr's page for Raptor or through a simple google search.
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Joe: I know this question is OFF TOPIC so dont get mad at me But if you guys recovered the rights for these games,
I was talking SOLELY about Manhattan project. No other title.

AND AGAIN WITH THE SOURCE CODE - MOST OF THE OLD GAMES DON'T EVEN HAVE THESE MATERIALS IN EXISTANCE ANYMORE! I answer this a zillion times, I don't know why people think the answer will change!

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I've never heard of such a thing. I can't find it on 3dr's page for Raptor or through a simple google search.
Didn't look terribly hard, eh?

http://www.mking.com/

http://www.3drealms.com/news/2006/04...legacy_14.html
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