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Old 11-16-2004, 03:09 PM   #1
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3D COMMANDER KEEN 4 - need help
hi there

we're working on commander keen mod for UT 2004, and we need all the help we can get. game will be 3rd person shooter and will use some kind cel-shading to give a better feeling to our mod.

if you're willing to help us, email me at duke4e@yahoo.com

also, you can check our webpage at www.shadowlands3d.tk
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Old 11-16-2004, 03:31 PM   #2
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Re: 3D COMMANDER KEEN 4 - need help
Have you received permission from ID Software ?

You have to otherwise the mod is illegal.
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Old 11-16-2004, 04:36 PM   #3
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...and with that, drvarek rode off into the sunset, never to be seen again.
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Old 11-16-2004, 05:49 PM   #4
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Re: 3D COMMANDER KEEN 4 - need help
i whoul like to contact ID, but it seems that i cannot find their email adress. really, check out idsoftware.com! you can contact activision and bunch of other, but no email adress directly to ID!

on the other side, this mod is considered as a free fan game (+ keen4 is free), so why Id didnt contact any of authors of dosens of keen fangames? my fangame idea is similar to others except my fangame is 3d and based as mod for ut2k4
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Old 11-16-2004, 11:19 PM   #5
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Re: 3D COMMANDER KEEN 4 - need help
might work - might not.
Clear all this up *before* you invest lots of effort into that mod. Because if it's not legal - all will be for nothing ... just look at that ChronoTrigger Fan Project.

But it's your decission. You wouldn't be the first one to think that it probably won't happen to you. Just be prepared that it still might be shut down.
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Old 11-17-2004, 09:07 AM   #6
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i whoul like to contact ID, but it seems that i cannot find their email adress. really, check out idsoftware.com!
Doesn't excuse you from getting permission anyway.
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Old 11-17-2004, 09:55 AM   #7
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Re: 3D COMMANDER KEEN 4 - need help
Had a quick look at the screenshots, pretty neat idea.
Cant wait till its done.

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Doesn't excuse you from getting permission anyway.
Agreed. Im sure somebody here could give you contacts.
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Old 11-17-2004, 12:05 PM   #8
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I suggest you should complete it in secret.
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Old 11-18-2004, 10:23 AM   #9
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i whoul like to contact ID, but it seems that i cannot find their email adress. really, check out idsoftware.com! you can contact activision and bunch of other, but no email adress directly to ID!
Have you tried idsoftware@idsoftware.com ?

Somehow I think that it is wort a shot.
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Old 11-21-2004, 03:54 PM   #10
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Old 11-21-2004, 04:04 PM   #11
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thanx!
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Old 11-24-2004, 08:39 PM   #12
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What was that one a few years back...Keen and the Moonstone...they were goin' good for a while till id got wind of it and shut the project down.
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Old 11-25-2004, 04:36 AM   #13
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the smart guys wich were developing that game were planning to sell that game without presmission from id...

thats stupid!
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Old 11-25-2004, 03:08 PM   #14
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If you don't get the permission for some reason, you could call it "Commander Ken" or something like that instead and present it as a "parody"...
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Old 11-25-2004, 05:25 PM   #15
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Re: 3D COMMANDER KEEN 4 - need help
hey, thats a damn good idea! i like it! thanx!

i didn't post email to ID because I still need help for my mod, so i'm not so shure if i'll continue to develop it. i can't do all stuff by my self - my knowledge of 3d editing is pretty limited. if someone whould add cel shading and sector over sector to jfduke, i whould probably finish it in couple of mounths. but i choosed UT engine beacuse of its great graphic possibilities, but now i don't have any people to help me on the mod... the only 3d modeler from my team droped out because of his loose of interest in mod...
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Old 11-29-2004, 01:36 PM   #16
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If you don't get the permission for some reason, you could call it "Commander Ken" or something like that instead and present it as a "parody"...
That too can be a problem if it's determined that doing that is just there to get around using the same thing.
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Old 11-29-2004, 06:45 PM   #17
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Have you posted about it on the Public Commander Keen Forums?
I don't go there as often as I should (I can't stand the software) but I'm sure that the people will be willing to help.
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Old 11-30-2004, 07:52 PM   #18
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On your site it says you have a Duke3D mod but there is no downloads section!
I would help if it was for Quake2... UT2k4? Ya, Im gonna upgrade my system then play a mod that could have been made for a game that more people are able to run...
What a waste!
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Old 11-30-2004, 10:49 PM   #19
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Id wait till the Quake 3 engine becoems GPL...END OF YEAR
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Old 12-01-2004, 08:12 AM   #20
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If you don't get the permission for some reason, you could call it "Commander Ken" or something like that instead and present it as a "parody"...
That too can be a problem if it's determined that doing that is just there to get around using the same thing.
Agreed. Slapping the word "parody" on something isn't enough to qualify for fair use. It's a matter of debate whether id software would actually CARE about one of its long-dead, no-longer-profitable franchises being parodied, but that's no excuse for not contacting them beforehand. I believe you can contact them on their webpage via "Licensing."
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Old 12-01-2004, 05:40 PM   #21
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Parodies are legal, but you have to ensure that the game is a parody in every sense of the word - you have to make fun of the characters, situations, and so forth from the original games, and ideally get a lawyer to check it out.

The problem is that while you may not want to make the project commerical, you might still derive a 'profit' from it - whether it's something you can put in a portfolio when looking for a job or something like getting more hits to your website, where you're selling something...laws are very open to interpretation, to give lawyers more money.

iD would have both copyrights and trademarks on Commander Keen, so the name and character itself might get you in trouble. Hey, if George Lucas can shut down Star Wars fansites...

I'd have a look through various copyright and trademark laws (most if not all are online), and I'd also have a look at the DMCA (Digital Millenium Copyright Act).
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