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Old 02-13-2003, 10:44 PM   #1
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ROTT for dreamcast!
I read on www.dcemulation.com today that they used the source code to port rott to the dreamcast. I'm downloading it now, lets see how it looks!
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Old 02-13-2003, 11:39 PM   #2
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Good stuff, thanks for the link.
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Old 02-14-2003, 07:27 AM   #3
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That is seriously awesome! Cant wait for other sources! [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

More power to the Dreamcast!
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Old 02-14-2003, 10:29 AM   #4
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Holly shit! Thats awesome! I wish I had a dreamcast...well a modded dreamcast....or a decent computer to run an emulator. But this is great news for all dreamcast fans!
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Old 02-14-2003, 03:05 PM   #5
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Burn an image to CD mayhaps?
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Old 02-14-2003, 05:28 PM   #6
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The question is - how do you get it ON the Dreamcast?
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Just like one of the DooM or Quake ports ? [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]
ATM its compiled for the shareware only.
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Old 02-14-2003, 05:33 PM   #7
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joe: to get it on the dreamcast, download it, and burn it.
right now, I'm not going to even bother with the fairly complicated instructions for gettung the full version running on DC, but they do include a pre-wrapped (with self-boot and all) version using the shareware episode, just download the apropriate version and burn... the ISOs are for Nero burning rom and disc juggler... and if you don't have one of those, you probably should get them. [img]images/icons/tongue.gif[/img]

the dreamcast is unique in that, even un-modded, it WILL run CD-R discs.. (as a side note, I have a friend who has a collection of pirated dreamcast discs, but frankly, on many of them, they had to cut corners to get them to fit on the disc, so I don't bother with them myself...) Because of this, there IS a vibrant little homebrew community, and there are several ports of games like this. there are a couple ports of Doom (and heretic and hexen) as well as quake, and a version of descent is in progress.... even ports of SCUMM VM, ZZT, and Frotz.. but we're not here to talk about those, so without further ado...

as for how ROTT plays: right now, the only control support so far is gamepad (using the analog stick), but the four face buttons of the DC gamepad ARE mappable using ROTT's joystick setup menu (including double tap, for a total of 8 possible functions), and escape is bound to the start button, for bringing up the menu. it works, but it would be lots better with full mouse/keyboard support.
The game plays pretty smooth for the most part, but I've noticed a couple spots where it hitches (like when accessing the disc when you pick up new weapon for the first time, or the first time in a level, or gibbing someone for the first time, or pulling up the menu from within the game.)
Also, it even allows you to save your config (it saves how you configure your buttons on exiting the game completely) and allows to save your position in the game by bringing up the menu and choosing save.
overall, its not bad at all for the first version of the DC port. they even managed to get the sound and music correct, and some of the doom ports haven't even done that yet. I'd say its pretty impressive, and worth a look if you enjoy ROTT at all, and have a dreamcast, and a PC with a burner in it.
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Old 02-15-2003, 12:24 AM   #8
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The question is - how do you get it ON the Dreamcast?
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Old 02-15-2003, 12:44 AM   #9
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Way cool port. I definitly like it! Controlls are very well done. I just wish I could use the d-pad instead of the analog stick, or a straight keyboard (I don't use the mouse). The analog stick has just a bit of trouble, mainly with it not being quite sensitive enough. Also wish I could strafe with the L and R triggers. But everything else is top notch! My only question is how the music was done...Ultrasound patches? It sounds good.
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Old 02-15-2003, 01:03 AM   #10
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After ruining about 3 CDR's I finally got the Shareware version running on my DC, and I have to say it's a great port. The framerate is rock solid and never seems choppy, although your right about the game having hic ups once in a while. But they seemed pretty minor to me and only froze the game for about a second or so.

And AXE, I should point something out to you. I tried my DC keyboard out of curiosity to see if it worked, and it does. All keys are mapped accordingly and can be reconfigured to your liking. I played the ROTT shareware for about 20 minutes just using my DC keyboard. I can't say if the DC mouse works though, since I don't own one.

The buttons on the DC controller are completely customizable too, its a shame that only the four face buttons work though, but I'm thinking this is because ROTT only supported 4 button controllers.

All the different screen sizes options and graphic details settings see to work as well. Pretty cool stuff, this is definitely one of the better DC ports I’ve seen so far.

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Old 02-15-2003, 05:11 AM   #11
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Keyboard support as well?! *runs off to pc store for CDR's*
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Old 02-15-2003, 11:51 AM   #12
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this is so ****ing cool. The game actually suits the feel of the DC really well, and in my opinion this is the coolest way of playing ROTT.
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Old 02-15-2003, 05:31 PM   #13
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Does anyone here own a DC mouse, or has anyone tried the mouse to see if it works?

I wonder if they could also get online play working, that would be something [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]
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Old 02-15-2003, 07:55 PM   #14
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I wonder if they could also get online play working, that would be something [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Forget about that. Or wait a lot of time.
Most homebrew or ported stuff don't even support only the broadband adapter. Not to mention modemplay.
I'm not sure if there network code in KallistOS or when if it is working.
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Old 02-15-2003, 08:09 PM   #15
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^ If that's the case then oh well. It would've been a nice bonus to have Multi-player, but I guess I can't complain with whats there. Whoever ported ROTT the DC did a great job.
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Old 02-15-2003, 09:19 PM   #16
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The keyboard does work? W00t! Won't see me for quite a while!

Btw, are there tutorials on how to make a self-booting DC disc? I want to play the full version as well.
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Old 02-15-2003, 09:33 PM   #17
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Does anyone here own a DC mouse, or has anyone tried the mouse to see if it works?
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I have the mouse, but I haven't gotten around to digging it out and setting my dreamcast up in a place where I can use the mouse comfortably. maybe a bit later I'll try.

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Btw, are there tutorials on how to make a self-booting DC disc? I want to play the full version as well.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Selfboot Tutorial
you'll need to download the utility, but there is a link on that page. its really not to incredibly complicated, but you do have to follow it exactly, otherwise you may end up with a coaster. I have. :-p

i'm upset: I lost my old rott full-version disc, and I can't find my backed up copy that I thought I had dumped on one of my hard drives. boooo.. I may have to re-purchase it if I still can't find it. is it still being sold on the store here?

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Old 02-15-2003, 10:10 PM   #18
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i'm upset: I lost my old rott full-version disc, and I can't find my backed up copy that I thought I had dumped on one of my hard drives. boooo.. I may have to re-purchase it if I still can't find it. is it still being sold on the store here?
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Yes.
http://store.yahoo.com/3drealms/games.html
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Old 02-15-2003, 10:31 PM   #19
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I'm seriously pissed because of my burner being broken. [img]images/icons/mad.gif[/img]
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Old 02-16-2003, 05:59 PM   #20
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Hmm...the map doesn't work right. Neither does the pause button. And the firebomb doesn't make the screen shake. Oh well, still cool.
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Old 02-17-2003, 12:54 AM   #21
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I messed a bit more with my shareware burn: keyboard does indeed work, however, mouse is a no. though it looks like it tries to send input when I jiggle the mouse: everything freezes up for a second. still, I played it back in the day with just the keyboard, so this works for me. w00t.

hopefully mouse support in a soon version.
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Old 02-17-2003, 05:34 AM   #22
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Dreamcast? ROTT? I love both those things! [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]
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Old 02-17-2003, 10:22 AM   #23
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by AXE:
i'm upset: I lost my old rott full-version disc, and I can't find my backed up copy that I thought I had dumped on one of my hard drives. boooo.. I may have to re-purchase it if I still can't find it. is it still being sold on the store here?
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Yes.
http://store.yahoo.com/3drealms/games.html
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">We're currently out of stock of the CD's - we're in process of making a new CD master now. This new ROTT CD will have an unbelievable amount of extras on it. First off, it will have all the extras from the original ROTT CD, plus the EROTT CD, plus a ton of things that I've put together new for this new version.

(Keep in mind the game itself hasn't changed, I'm just adding a lot more extras).

You can get the registered download from the store - but if you wait for the CD, it'll be a good way to get everything that we've ever released ROTT wise in one place.
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Old 02-17-2003, 11:21 AM   #24
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Well, i'm happy i got one of the last ROTT CDs before they sold out but... Will there be enough extras on the new CD to warrant a re-purchase?
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Old 02-17-2003, 04:01 PM   #25
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oooh, thanks for the info, joe. in that case, i'll wait for the new disc. are there any plans to re-release other classic apogee games with extras like this?
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Thanks Joe, I'm glad I held out on buying ROTT. I wasn't to keen on spending $15 for an old PC game, but the added extra's might pursued me to pick it up now.
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Old 02-17-2003, 05:09 PM   #27
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by MrEricSir:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by AXE:
i'm upset: I lost my old rott full-version disc, and I can't find my backed up copy that I thought I had dumped on one of my hard drives. boooo.. I may have to re-purchase it if I still can't find it. is it still being sold on the store here?
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Yes.
http://store.yahoo.com/3drealms/games.html
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">We're currently out of stock of the CD's - we're in process of making a new CD master now. This new ROTT CD will have an unbelievable amount of extras on it. First off, it will have all the extras from the original ROTT CD, plus the EROTT CD, plus a ton of things that I've put together new for this new version.

(Keep in mind the game itself hasn't changed, I'm just adding a lot more extras).

You can get the registered download from the store - but if you wait for the CD, it'll be a good way to get everything that we've ever released ROTT wise in one place.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Hey thats pretty cool. Will it be the same price as what your selling now? More/less?
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Old 02-18-2003, 12:39 AM   #28
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Well, i'm happy i got one of the last ROTT CDs before they sold out but... Will there be enough extras on the new CD to warrant a re-purchase?
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Old 02-18-2003, 11:07 AM   #29
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oooh, thanks for the info, joe. in that case, i'll wait for the new disc. are there any plans to re-release other classic apogee games with extras like this?
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">No. The only reason this is being done is because we will continue to sell ROTT. It sells enough to warrant remaking the CD master. Most games when we run out of stock, that's it, it's deleted from the product line, because most of the old stuff doesn't sell enough to warrant spending the money to make more.

Also the only reason ROTT has this kind of extras is because I make the CD masters, and ROTT was the lone game I worked on as an actual developer, so I have more materials than usual for this. Plus, nothing NEW was created here (well, some of the behind the scenes pics haven't been seen before), it's just all culled from various places (the net, the EROTT CD, etc..)

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Hey thats pretty cool. Will it be the same price as what your selling now? More/less?
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">It should be the same price - I can't imagine why we'd raise the price.

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Old 02-18-2003, 11:12 AM   #30
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Here's a listing of all the extras that are included on the 2003 ROTT CD. This comes from the HTML Tech help file in the section called "A Gaggle of Goodies". [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

</font>
  1. <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Original art bmp files (found in \goodies\bmps) - The files in that directory are some of the original art files from the game - you can see the game art in it's original form.</font>
  2. <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Original MIDI music files (found in \goodies\midi) - This directory contains all the original MIDI music files used in the game, along with a text file as to who composed them.</font>
  3. <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Original wav sound files (found in \goodies\wavs) - Extracted sound files in their raw .wav format that were in the game - including several sound files that were rejected and not actually used in the game!</font>
  4. <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">ROTT Level Editors (found in \goodies\editor) - There are a total of 5 different ROTT level editors on the CD. We've included the editor we used on ROTT (called Ted - more info is above), as well as four user created ROTT editors (in the \goodies\editor\useredit directory).</font>
  5. <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Every Apogee released level for ROTT *EVER* (found in \goodies\morelvls) - Over the years, Apogee has released a LOT of levels for Rise of the Triad. They're all on this CD. The ones that were released normally with the registered version of the game are installed when you install the game, but all the "extra" ones are in this directory. A complete listing and detail of every ROTT level is elsewhere in this document</font>
  6. <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Behind the Scenes Pictures at Apogee (found in \goodies\pics) - A lot of pictures were taken during the production of Rise of the Triad. Some of them were on the original CD, but a lot have been added for the 2003 version of the ROTT CD.</font>
  7. <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">RandROTT - A Random ROTT Level Generator (found in \goodies\randrott) - RandROTT will let you create a virtual unlimited amount of levels for ROTT. You can run this program and it will generate a level pack file for you to use of levels you've never played before.</font>
  8. <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">ROTT Virtual Reality Specifications (found in \goodies\rottvr) - Information on porting Rise of the Triad to some "Virtual Reality" hardware setups. Info not for the faint of heart. [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]</font>
  9. <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Source code for Rise of the Triad! (found in \goodies\source) - This is the source code for the game. If you're a programmer, and are curious, you can take a look at the code we used to compile the game with!</font>
  10. <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">RTLMAP - Makes maps of your game levels (found in \goodies\rtlmap) - RTLMap will take your game levels and output PCX image files of them for you to look at, or print, or do whatever you want with!</font>
  11. <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">RTS Maker - Make your own RTS files (found in \goodies\rtsmaker) - RTSMaker will allow you to make your own custom RTS files for use in Rise of the Triad (or Shadow Warrior, Terminal Velocity, or Duke Nukem 3D for that matter).</font>
  12. <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">ROTT based WinAMP v2 skin (found in \goodies\winamp) - If you use the media player WinAMP (v2, not v3), then you can use this skin to have a Rise of the Triad based media player! [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]</font>
  13. <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Game maps for all included levels (found in \goodies\xtramaps) - Here are maps of every level that is included on the Rise of the Triad CD. The program RTLMAP above was used to generate these maps.</font>
  14. <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Duke Nukem Forever video (found in \goodies\dnfvideo) - This is a bink video file of a trailer shown at E3 2001 for our latest shooter, Duke Nukem Forever (coming "When it's done").</font>
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Old 02-18-2003, 09:56 PM   #31
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new cd sounds nice, but wouldnt it be nice to make the game run on Xp while you are at it.
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Old 02-18-2003, 11:34 PM   #32
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^ Indeed. Those are some great extras you've put in there Joe. Too bad there wasn't a GLROTT to included with that [img]graemlins/doh.gif[/img]

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Heh heh... Ted [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

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Old 02-19-2003, 12:09 AM   #33
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Re: Running on XP...

No. We're not updating the game. Just making new CD's. Be glad someone gives a shit to even bother to collect all this stuff.

Re: Ted and Ted Turner.

It actually stands for "Tile EDitor". The docs spell all that out.

Re: GlROTT..

I considered putting some of the ports that have come up from the ROTT source on there. Even though we have the rights to do it under OpenGL, I decided against it - because it could be mistaken as an endorsement of said product, and even despite numerous claims to the contrary, people would expect us to support those things.
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Even though we have the rights to do it under OpenGL, I decided against it
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Old 02-19-2003, 08:05 AM   #35
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Hey, this is cool. Worth of an Apogee Central news update, I'd say!
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Old 02-19-2003, 06:05 PM   #36
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The new cd sounds like a great idea! I'll buy it as soon as it's available, but I was wondering if it
would be possible to provide the cd image file
for download too on top of the regular download
already available at the on-line store. That way, if a customer has a fast enough connection, you can either order the regular cd through the mail, or
opt to download the cd image file, and burn the image file to a blank cd. Just an idea..... If I have to order the new cd through the regular mail, that's fine too..

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Old 02-20-2003, 08:45 AM   #37
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What about putting the DC port on it as well? Now THAT would be awesome.. and a real kick for the people that worked on it.
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Old 02-20-2003, 04:03 PM   #38
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no, putting the dc port on it too wouldn't be smart. aside from the fact that joe already stated, about external ports aren't supported, and yet they'd be bugged by it to no end, the DC port is still.. well, a work in progress. on TOP of that, it would be a pain to make the game launch on DC AND pc properly.. it would be possible, but its an extra step, and this is, not to be disrespectful, simply shovelware of all things OFFICIAL ROTT. thats not a bad thing: shovelware of old games that either I missed out on, or lost the original discs, etc.... yeah, I'd buy it if its GOOD old stuff.
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Old 02-20-2003, 05:13 PM   #39
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Fair enough. Some screens or just info that it exists could do, right?
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Old 02-20-2003, 08:20 PM   #40
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Re: ROTT for dreamcast!
[quote]Originally posted by Joe3DR:
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Hey thats pretty cool. Will it be the same price as what your selling now? More/less?
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">It should be the same price - I can't imagine why we'd raise the price.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Heh actually I was aiming at the "less" part [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]
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