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Old 07-20-2005, 09:36 PM   #41
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I say power to rockstar. Now they are allowed to be as disturbing as they want! Think of how interesting GTA4 will be now....

I love this.....Leisure Suit Larry MCL you can unlock nude content (without a download) and see full models of naked females in clear detail and it gets an M rating. Wow...the ESRB really know what they are doing.
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Old 07-20-2005, 10:17 PM   #42
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yeah, what about BMX XXX? I know it was shit, but still the XBox and GC versions had nudity. For some odd reason the PS2 version was edited.
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Old 07-21-2005, 01:11 AM   #43
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Rating systems are designed to stop developers from trying to rationalize adding certain types of content, on the basis of what they already have.

Rockstar made a minigame that surely would have bumped the rating to Adults Only. But, getting that rating would have hurt sales.

So, instead of doing the proper thing, they decided to personally prove that game companies can't be trusted to police themselves. Instead of removing the content, they 'hid' it behind a single bit in the most easilly-modifiable file in the GTA engine, main.scm, and assumed nobody would find it.

Of course, the hardcore gamer folks will argue that someone buying a Mature game can handle an Adults Only game. Once realizing that they are cut from the same cloth as game developers, most of the time, these people (and their arguments) can be effortlessly dismissed.
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Old 07-21-2005, 01:25 AM   #44
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So, instead of doing the proper thing, they decided to personally prove that game companies can't be trusted to police themselves. Instead of removing the content, they 'hid' it behind a single bit in the most easilly-modifiable file in the GTA engine, main.scm, and assumed nobody would find it.

You still gotta break the EULA to do it.
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Old 07-21-2005, 01:43 AM   #45
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Exactly Paroxysm, while most EULA's are there in the interest of protecting the companie's assets, most people don't read it, could care less about it, don't care if it's fine print on the back of the manual or the toilet paper they wipe their ass with. Point is, while it's a legal document, most people defy it.
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Old 07-21-2005, 01:52 AM   #46
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The EULA involves a limitation to the mod community?

That's pretty much what made GTAIII such a success on the PC.
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Old 07-21-2005, 02:30 AM   #47
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if a mod requires the reverse engineering of any sort then yes it breaks the EULA.

For anyone who questions what an EULA is, read one at the back of any game you pick up.

Let me take the part in question from a few selected manuals.

First, Rollercoaster Tycoon 3

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Page 109, category Restrictions
1. You may not delete or obscure any copright, trademark, or other proprietary notice on the software or accompanying printed materials
2. You may not decompile, modify, reverse engineer, disassemble, or otherwise reproduce the software.
3. You may not copy, rent, lease, sublicense, distribute, publicly display the Software, create derivative works based on the Software (except to the extent expressly permitted in the Editor and End-User Variation section of this agreement or other documentation accompanying the Software) or otherwise commercially exploit the Software

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If the Software includes a feature that allows you to modify the Software or to construct new variations(an "Editor"), you may use such Editor to create modifications or enhancements to the Software, including the construction of new levels (collectively the "Variations"), subject to the following restrictions. Your Variations: (i) must only work with the full, registered copy of the Software; (ii) must not contain modifications to any executable file; (iii) must not contain any libelous, defamatory or other illegal material, material that is scandalous or invades the rights of privacy or publicity of any third party; (iv) must not contain any trademarks, copyright-protected work or other property of third parties; and (v) may not be commercially exploited by you, including but not limited to making such Variations for sale or as part of a pay-per-play or timesharing service.

and for those who for the big bang theory, let's tackle Grand Theft Auto's EULA
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Other than as provided specifically in this Agreement, You are not permitted to copy or otherwise reproduce the Software or Accompanying Materials; modify or prepare derivative copies based on the Software or Accompanying Materials; distribute copies of the Software or Accompanying Materials by sale, transfer of ownership or otherwise; rent, lease, or lend the Software or Accompany Materials; or to display the Software or Accompanying Materials publicly. You are expressly prohibited from transmitting the Software or Accompanying Materials electronically or otherwise over the Internet or through any other media or to any other party. You are expressly prohibited from selling or using any characters or other components of the game for any purpose. You are expressly prohibited from selling or otherwise profiting from any levels, add-on packs, sequels or any other items based upon or related to the Software or Accompanying Materials. YOU ARE NOT PERMITTED TO REVERSE ENGINEER, DECOMPILE OR DISASSEMBLE THE SOFTWARE OR ACCOMPANYING MATERIALS IN ANY WAY. ANY COPYING OF THE SOFTWARE OR ACCOMPANYING MATERIALS NOT SPECIFICALLY ALLOWED IN THIS AGREEMENT IS A VIOLATION OF THE AGREEMENT.

It's black and white and it's there (or in the Vice City manual's case: powder blue and periwinkle).
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Old 07-21-2005, 02:54 AM   #48
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I really still do not understand how this game can get an AO rating even after the clothed sex is in the game. They better change R rated movies to 18 and over, I mean give me a damn break. This game isn't even close to some R rated movies.
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Old 07-21-2005, 03:03 AM   #49
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While I'll admit I've seen worse in a PG-13 movie, I don't think think the game should be distributed to under age kids. I do think this needs to be enforced, but I don't necessarily believe AO is the right measure, for the fact there's been worse and more adult themed material in other games. I think the fact people try to levy a realistic approach saying the game is a simulator...

If this was a perfect world, we wouldn't of seen this problem because no one would of dicked with the program by manipulating it in some form, in consequence violating the EULA. It would of been tucked away and no one would of cared less if it was there or not. But this world is far from perfect.
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Old 07-21-2005, 03:47 AM   #50
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I'd like to know why God of War isn't in all kinds of trouble over it's sex mini-game. I kow you don't see it, but you sure as hell hear it.
Then there's The Sims, you can download nude skins for that, and remove the censor.

You can't just pick and choose, although this makes it seem like you can.
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Old 07-21-2005, 04:16 AM   #51
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The discrepency with GTA comes in this fact: there's a bunch of mature and oft controversial elements in the game. That's why it's getting pulled out into public to get tarred and feathered.

The modifications to the sims code to disable the blur is against the EULA, which is like GTA's case. Downloading a skin, as long as there is an editor for that is perfectly in the realm of an EULA and you cannot police the fact that some person has some interest in making naked skins, it's in the realm of the EULA and is at the discrepency of the person who did that. If you don't like the skin don't download it, don't acknowledge.

And your mentioning God of War. Let's go into the fact that A: the nudity is portraying historical accuracy of the women in Ancient Greece, Greek artwork was nudes, and most of the people lived that way. But you picked on the "sex mini-game" you don't see anything but a vase. The moans and groans are no worse than sitting in a car with a hooker in GTA Vice City or San Andreas, nothing is happening that you see all you hear is moans.

There's the thin red line, there's crossing the thin red line and there's coming a nose hair away from crossing the thin red line. God of War is Mature appropriately, and if anything doesn't cross the line.
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Old 07-21-2005, 04:56 AM   #52
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But you picked on the "sex mini-game" you don't see anything but a vase. The moans and groans are no worse than sitting in a car with a hooker in GTA Vice City or San Andreas, nothing is happening that you see all you hear is moans.
Obviously you've never played the sex mini-game in question. You have to change sexual positions, move in and out in rhythm, et cetera.
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Old 07-21-2005, 05:14 AM   #53
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But you picked on the "sex mini-game" you don't see anything but a vase. The moans and groans are no worse than sitting in a car with a hooker in GTA Vice City or San Andreas, nothing is happening that you see all you hear is moans.
Obviously you've never played the sex mini-game in question. You have to change sexual positions, move in and out in rhythm, et cetera.
Are you talking about the one near the beginning of the game with the two women? I saw nothing other than a vase on a night-table with that. Sure you're doing a "Dance Dance Revolution" with the gamepad to theoretically control your character's movements, but it's all off-screen. You see nothing at all.

Is there a different game in there that we're not seeing?
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Old 07-21-2005, 05:26 AM   #54
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I'd like to know why God of War isn't in all kinds of trouble over it's sex mini-game. I kow you don't see it, but you sure as hell hear it.
Then there's The Sims, you can download nude skins for that, and remove the censor.

You can't just pick and choose, although this makes it seem like you can.
The makers of God of War didn't hide what was in their game from the ESRB. If you jumped up on the bed with the two women, an action button pops up on screen. Press it and the games begin. Rockstar hid their mini-game. This kills the credibility of the ESRB, which is bad for the industry as it puts it under a microscope and pushes it closer to being government-regulated. Since governments screw up just about everything they get involved in, this is not a good thing. Rockstar screwed up big time here, and the whole industry is going to pay for it.

Government regulators have a history of being against explicit sex and graphic violence in the same piece of entertainment. You've seen it in the porn industry for years, where they are not allowed to show graphic violence in a movie that contains graphic sex. That's for content already fairly strictly regulated so that kids don't get access to it. This combined-content showing up in a video game that kids can fairly easily access is not going to sit well.

Rockstar f#cked up. Now they've attracted the 800lb gorilla in Hillary Clinton, and that's shining a very big media spotlight on the industry.
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Old 07-21-2005, 05:32 AM   #55
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But you picked on the "sex mini-game" you don't see anything but a vase. The moans and groans are no worse than sitting in a car with a hooker in GTA Vice City or San Andreas, nothing is happening that you see all you hear is moans.
Obviously you've never played the sex mini-game in question. You have to change sexual positions, move in and out in rhythm, et cetera.
I was talking about God of War's mini game there.
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Old 07-21-2005, 05:53 AM   #56
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IMHO the ESRB is retarded, so is movie ratings. I think that instead of an arbitrary 1 letter code for the different levels games should be rated like some television shows are: N for nudity, V for violence, L for language, etc... that way when you see a movie or game rated VL you know it's just violence and language but no nudity while NVL might be something you want to steer free from. Additionally there should be a rogers-video style description saying exactly what content is in it.

Seing R on films doesn't mean sex necessarily so you never really know what this R movie has in store. Some parents don't care about nudity but violence is a no-no for them, others see the reverse. Quite frankly I think whoever came up with the 1-letter system is kinda dumb.

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Old 07-21-2005, 05:56 AM   #57
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I agree with you, have it outlist exactly what it has.

HBO and Cinemax do this. I think if that was given it might alert people, but how many do you think would pay attention to the details though? That's probably the downfall.
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Old 07-21-2005, 06:16 AM   #58
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Our ratings system is completely rediculous.

There is no rating above MA15+ for video games, so any game rated above it is refused classification. All games that are refused classification are automatically banned.

They think movies are for adults and games are for children, and that games are more easily accessible to children. I've never had to install a movie, have you?

They make mature and adult people miss out on games because the ratings board thinks kids play them more.

Kids don't play them more, the main demographic for games is the middle aged male.

At least Aus wasn't as bad as New Zealand with Postal 2 (which was banned here). NZ outlawed it rather than banned it. Any person caught in that country with Postal 2 receives a $10,000 fine. Running With Scissors can ship Postal 2 to Australia, but not to NZ, or they will be fined a lot more.
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Old 07-21-2005, 06:57 AM   #59
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This is the ESRB trying to save it's own ass. If they didn't do this, it would pretty much guarantee they'd be replaced by a government run body. Still a good chance that will happen anyway, but this was them fighting for life.
You're a tad harsh, but I still agree. The ESRB had no choice to do something.
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Old 07-21-2005, 07:10 AM   #60
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Old 07-21-2005, 07:19 AM   #61
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I think TerminX is talking about the San Andreas mini game, not the God of War one.
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Old 07-21-2005, 07:26 AM   #62
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but he was quoting me and saying I wasn't talking about the right one. in which I was commenting on the God of War game someone brought up. I don't think I could elaborate on the modification in San Andreas because everyone pretty much knows the full details of it by now.
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Old 07-21-2005, 08:46 AM   #63
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EBGames.com just pulled San Andreas. It was there last night with the AO rating, but now it's gone. I think it's because Gamestop won't carry an AO game, and EBGames is now a part of Gamestop since the merger.
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Old 07-21-2005, 10:29 AM   #64
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You still gotta break the EULA to do it.

I'm sure that, given enough time, hard-working scientists would find something valid about this line of reasoning.

We can dismiss your argument in one of many ways. First, we can point out the obvious irrelevency of EULAs, since they almost never stand up in courts. Since they tend to have the legal weight of my last bowel movement (literally, last one was a floater), we can dismiss them as a valid defense quite effortlessly.

Or, we can say that Rockstar was at fault for assuming that the EULA would prevent the average user from taking out the one bit that locked the content, one bit that was plain-as-day to even non-coders. This one-bit modification became so popular that there's really only one group at fault: Rockstar, for not doing the proper thing with the minigame code.
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Old 07-21-2005, 06:13 PM   #65
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but he was quoting me and saying I wasn't talking about the right one. in which I was commenting on the God of War game someone brought up. I don't think I could elaborate on the modification in San Andreas because everyone pretty much knows the full details of it by now.
Oh, my bad. I hadn't realized you'd gone off topic.
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Old 07-21-2005, 06:28 PM   #66
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I'd like to know why God of War isn't in all kinds of trouble over it's sex mini-game.
Because GTA is already a high-profile, easily recognizable game with a past history of such matters. Easy target for the media and the politicans.

The re-rating of GTA San Andreas is one more proof that ignorant soccer moms have too much power in North America.

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Old 07-21-2005, 11:36 PM   #67
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There was an excellent post on the Elder Scrolls forums about this

" ...... and here's what CNN Money has to say:

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Meanwhile, the rest of the industry now has to clean up the mess left by Rockstar, the development arm of Take Two, which created "San Andreas". And the Entertainment Software Ratings Board (ESRB), which has previously been widely praised for its ratings system, now looks like a shell operation for publishers.

"The credibility and utility of the initial ESRB rating has been seriously undermined," said ESRB president Patricia Vance in a statement.

At the Interactive Entertainment Merchants Association Executive Summit here this week, retailers and other publishers are quietly grumbling about Wednesday's decisions. Where, ask the nation's retailers of video games, is the fine for Take Two? Why, they ask, is the company not being forced to offer full rebates to owners of the game?

Damage control
There's no answer to that, of course. Both Take Two and the ESRB are in damage control mode at this point, both likely bracing for the inevitable lawsuits that will be filed and dismissed in the coming months.

There's equal blame to be shared, though. Take Two (Research) had the opportunity to nip the situation in the bud before the game was published. The ESRB, meanwhile, had the opportunity to show the world it had teeth, but chose to gum the publisher instead.

Let's start with Rockstar and Take Two. There are two possible scenarios: Either a rogue programmer slipped the sexual content into the game without anyone knowing – or Rockstar planned for this to be a part of the game, then changed its mind before shipping.

If it's Scenario A, Rockstar and Take Two have shown themselves entirely incapable of managing their staff. If it's Scenario B, the company has revealed a staggering intelligence or operational flaw.

Video games are basically huge projects with tight deadlines -- so throughout the process, someone's keeping tabs on everything that's going on, including the game's code. The bigger the title, the stricter the quality control.

So if there were plans to include sex mini-games in "San Andreas" at one point, someone knew about it and knew that the decision had been made to remove them – likely to avoid an AO rating. That meant the scenes should have been removed from the game's source code. They weren't.

What's particularly offensive isn't so much that these scenes were in the game -- let's face it, "GTA" isn't the first game to feature sexual content -- but that Take Two was so quick to point the finger of blame elsewhere when it was called on the carpet.

Hackers, it cried, were responsible. The only way to access the content was through an unauthorized, downloadable add-on for the PC version of the game.

Hackers?
OK, technically, that's right. The "Hot Coffee" mod wasn't a part of the game. But once it was shown that cheat codes could unlock the same scenes in the PlayStation 2 version of the game -- which is on a DVD where content cannot be altered -- it was clear that hackers weren't the ones to blame for these sex scenes, Rockstar was.

Sure, you can't access the sexual content without a cheat code or modification, but it's clear at this point that the sex games weren't reverse-engineered or fan-created. Ultimately, the developers and the publisher are responsible for this mess.

So what should the ESRB have done? Opinions vary. Some think mandatory rebates or steep fines are the answer, but the theory that most intrigued me came from game designer Greg Costikyan, who proposed that the ESRB should refuse to give any Take Two product a rating for the next two years.

It's a radical thought -- and one that could drastically affect Take Two's business, since retailers such as Wal-Mart, Target and Best Buy typically do not sell unrated video games (though it's worth noting that many don't have a problem with selling unrated versions of DVD movies). Taking this step would give the ESRB the teeth it currently lacks – and would serve as a warning to other publishers that lying about the content in your game carries serious consequences.

Would it put Take Two out of business? Probably not. The "Grand Theft Auto" line of games has such a large, loyal following that many people would buy it directly from the publisher. And digital distribution is a growing field in the industry.
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Personally, I hope this doesn't hurt Bethsoft's release of Oblivion. I thought it was a bad idea to see Oblivion seemingly marketed to the GTA crowd, whereas I didn't see any problems with bringing FPS fans to the series. I hated it when Game Informer title a mini-preview of Oblivion as "The Younger Scrolls are Hoodlums". Frankly, the gangsta wannabees in the burbs and the developers who exploit real social issues in the real world need to spend a few weeks in a gang infested hood to find out that it's not all fun and games.

We need games to offer paths both good and bad based on plot but that don't take advantage of real world issues like cop killings, drug running and rape. We need moralty back in games and not just as a dirty word among gamers who missed out on the great games that brought moral choices to the fore.

Where's Richard Garriott when you need him? Haven't been in the periphery of his circle for years, but I might just solicit his opinion on the matter.

Me, not only will I never buy a gangsta game made by anyone, I'll write few snail mails to the ESRB, Senators Clinton, Hutchinson, Lieberman, McCain as well as the FTC.

We need gamers who want good games that don't exploit real world social conditions and that aren't marketed to the wrong age group to speak up and I think it's time that I did so myself and I certainly don't want comments made about Oblivion in the mainstream gaming press and Bethsoft's misguided relationship with Take 2 to take the Elder Scrolls series in the wrong direction.

I'm not against GTA getting an AO rating and staying there, but I am against their lying and blaming a modder. I think the whole rating system needs to be overhauled and parents should not buy this game for their teen kids under 17. One person on the boards related that their girlfriend's Mom bought the prior GTA game for her seven year old son, totally irresponsible.

Let people who want gangsta games play them if they're over 17, but let it be a niche market with as bad a rep as The Guy Game and other softcore titles. GTA is just too violent for kids and ratings need to be enforced."

Now I don't know if being honest to the ESRB is a law, but if it isn't, the only thing that makes it different is that there is no governmental persecution given if they don't honor the system. So their actions, in any business deal, would be considered criminal - for whatever reason you want (lying, failure to do what was their duty) and then it was made worse by an attempt of take-two to squirm their way out by lying about the source being hackers. Both companies are disreputable now, and to the teen and under gamers on this forum that might not mean shit, but to much of the larger world out there it does, and there is mess to be sorted out by these companies. I hope they get a good slap for this, and the ESRB too for being spineless wimps. They don't deserve to be in charge of ratings if they don't have the guts to get down to it.
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I really still do not understand how this game can get an AO rating even after the clothed sex is in the game. They better change R rated movies to 18 and over, I mean give me a damn break. This game isn't even close to some R rated movies.

That's really a statement of denial. GTA:SA is about as intense as any movie can get. It glorifies so many criminal activities, self-serving others-screwing attitudes, hatred, killing everyone without discretion, spite for police - there is nothing good in this game. You may have fun with it, and I've played it too, but to say there's not something wrong with it is lying to yourself. No matter how well adjusted you are the truth is that your mind is digesting a lot of bad things. While you're doing what you want with yourself at least be honest about it.
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Where's Richard Garriott when you need him? Haven't been in the periphery of his circle for years, but I might just solicit his opinion on the matter.
Being a fan of some of the Ultima games I happen to know that Garriott loved to push the limit. In the ultima games sometimes you would be faced with things that tried to shock you, such as one room in one of the older ultimas in order to get by you had to watch as kids died to solve a puzzle. He liked that shock factor. Also, the predominant theme in the Ultima 7 series was anti-religion. He wanted to show just how much control a belief system could have. Therefore I wonder......
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Old 07-22-2005, 06:16 AM   #70
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I really f**king hate the ESRB and pretty much everyone out there who's opinions are that since you can control a game it's worst than movies even if the subject material is the same - even less than movies.

Show a nipple on a movie and theres a chance you can still slip it into the pg rating. Show nipples in a video game and every f**king politician and soccer mom is up in arms.

The ESRB need a reform and soon imho.

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Old 07-22-2005, 12:37 PM   #71
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Re: ESRB revokes/changes San Andreas Rating
Last night on Conan talking about this- "Parents are outraged. They say they didn't buy San Andreas so their kids could watch virtual sex, they bought it so they could violently hijack cars."
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Old 07-22-2005, 12:42 PM   #72
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Yeah it's not like a kid playing GTASA has cable or anything.
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Old 07-22-2005, 04:27 PM   #73
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What you guys in america have is some kind of a double moral, itīs allowed to kill people in every way in video games but itīs not allowed that you can play a small sex minigame where you canīt see *anything* interesting
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Old 07-22-2005, 04:37 PM   #74
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Show nipples in a video game and every f**king politician and soccer mom is up in arms.

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Old 07-22-2005, 04:44 PM   #75
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I find it hysterical that here in America.. wanton and gratuitous violence, extreme foul language, and killing police officers and government officials is just fine with most people as long as there isn't any sexual interaction/images..

While in other countries they have porn on cable, but don't allow any violence what-so-ever.
Well, why not? Not only did the GTA series have that, look at the Postal series, and all that good stuff. I believe that R* and RWS are two of the best, yet most contraversial companies I've seen. Of course, Postal 2 was meant to be a FPS version, of sorts, of GTA3 (I kow that Mr. Dude can't drive cars, but he can blow them up and kill civilians and cops, and be busted like in GTA3 and the rest of the GTA series), if that's what Vince Desiderio wanted from Postal 2. I know that it's off topic, but it makes a comparison point with other companies that sort of copy off of R*'s style of game development in other genres.

Anyway, besides the killing in the GTA series, I always love flying those Banshees, Idahos, and those fast cars across the Callahan bridge with that ChittyChittyBB cheat. THAT'S ALWAYS AWESOME!!!!! I was hoping that San Andreas would've been just a little scaled back, but I will try the demo out once R* releases a demo on FilePlanet or FileFront, one or the other. Someone'll carry a demo, not too sure who, tho.
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Old 07-22-2005, 05:19 PM   #76
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http://www.shacknews.com/docs/press/072005_gta_sa.x

Wow. Short of it is the game has been reclassified as AO, and they're ordered to cease manufacture and sale of the current version, and replace it with the AO rating.

I personally don't think the game is really meant for kids anyway, so the AO rating doesn't totally surprise me.

I wonder how much the M rated copies will sell for on Ebay?
Walmart and the such will stop selling the game now, right??

Well I will put it simple.
The world is degenerating:

Sex is something unnatural and extreme now...

drugs, foul language, stealing, murdering, speeding and running over pedestrians, shooting people in the head is absolutely ok.

ESRB should think things over IMO.
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Old 07-22-2005, 06:19 PM   #77
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Joe3DR said:
http://www.shacknews.com/docs/press/072005_gta_sa.x

Wow. Short of it is the game has been reclassified as AO, and they're ordered to cease manufacture and sale of the current version, and replace it with the AO rating.

I personally don't think the game is really meant for kids anyway, so the AO rating doesn't totally surprise me.

I wonder how much the M rated copies will sell for on Ebay?
Walmart and the such will stop selling the game now, right??

Well I will put it simple.
The world is degenerating:

Sex is something unnatural and extreme now...

drugs, foul language, stealing, murdering, speeding and running over pedestrians, shooting people in the head is absolutely ok.

ESRB should think things over IMO.
i gotta a better idea.. seeing on how messed up things are now


how about we vote to press the restart button and try again ?

hehheh
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Old 07-22-2005, 09:42 PM   #78
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restart button... HAHAHAHAHhahaha!!! Good old restart button!
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Old 07-23-2005, 06:24 AM   #79
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The ESRB intrigues me. Beating up women, throwing them across the room or from the top of a high rise building(Dead or Alive), breaking their bones(Tao Feng), shooting them in the private part(Soldier of Fortune) and choping them into pieces(Mortal Kombat) won't earn the game anything more than M, but watching them having sex will!
 
Old 07-23-2005, 07:16 AM   #80
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I really f**king hate the ESRB and pretty much everyone out there who's opinions are that since you can control a game it's worst than movies even if the subject material is the same - even less than movies.

Show a nipple on a movie and theres a chance you can still slip it into the pg rating. Show nipples in a video game and every f**king politician and soccer mom is up in arms.

The ESRB need a reform and soon imho.

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They are going to get one, and you're going to like what we end up with a LOT less.
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