Activation gone? - Page 2

Kristian Joensen · 06-20-2006, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Orochi Avlis

The way he has it there, seems to me that he uses 1 for gaming, and both for internet usage.

He obviously means computer number 1 for gaming and computer number 2 for internet access.

hell-angel · 06-20-2006, 09:56 AM

Never the less, there are enough people who don't have internet access on their game PC.

We should really wait for 3DR and/or HH to come with an official reply.

Azazel · 06-20-2006, 09:59 AM

I can't speak for any other countries except my own (UK) but here internet access is nowhere near as widespread as the US for example but then again it's a much smaller market so why should 3DR be bothered about that. But lets hope they are!

hell-angel · 06-20-2006, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Azazel

I can't speak for any other countries except my own (UK) but here internet access is nowhere near as widespread as the US for example but then again it's a much smaller market so why should 3DR be bothered about that. But lets hope they are!

Really? Here in holland about 80% of the people have broadband internet. I thought the UK had about the same.

Azazel · 06-20-2006, 10:06 AM

I think it's somewhere around 50% right now though growing fast. It's too damn expensive for me tho

So what time is it for 3DR / HH? You reckon there's any chance of some clarification soon?

Come on people lets keep this thread at the top of the list until we get a definitive answer!

Altered Reality · 06-20-2006, 01:07 PM

I predict that online verification will be present anyway. Forget you are gamers for a moment and consider the following from the point of view of a software house.

1) Piracy must be defeated. Therefore, inserting online verification is GOOD for profit.
2) Awareness about online verification scares away end users. Therefore, mentioning it anywhere is BAD for profit and PR.
3) Explicitly stating that online verification will be present would scare away end users. Therefore it is BAD for profit.
4) Explicitly stating that online verification will NOT be present would mean lying to end users. Therefore it is BAD for PR.

DekenFrost · 06-20-2006, 01:25 PM

wasnt prey going to be released over steam ? I read that somewhere but it has been a while ago. And now i cannot find any information on that topic.

I would love to get prey through steam it is just so easy to do.

Kristian Joensen · 06-20-2006, 01:27 PM

Prey will be available through Triton not Steam.

motionblur · 06-20-2006, 01:28 PM

Prey never was to be delivered over Steam.
It's always been Triton formerly known as GameXStream.

I only wonder why everybody's bitching about online activation and as soon as there could be a chance it's gone everybody thinks it's good and okay all of a sudden.

Altered Reality · 06-20-2006, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by motionblur

I only wonder why everybody's bitching about online activation and as soon as there could be a chance it's gone everybody thinks it's good and okay all of a sudden.

I never said it was good FOR ME. I just explained the train of thought of people who MAKE games (opposed to people who PLAY games).

Thewho · 06-20-2006, 01:54 PM

Doesn't look like we're going to get an answer on this anytime soon...

kozchris · 06-20-2006, 02:07 PM

Steam would have been nice so we would not need another client installed. Too bad. I decided to wait for conroe so it will be a while until I can play anyway.

Dopefish7590 · 06-20-2006, 02:14 PM

that's good for some people who don't have internet (like me, I'm not at home right now) if they got rid of internet activation

Nailed · 06-20-2006, 03:46 PM

Well, whatever the outcome, I am entirely displeased that 3DR went with Triton over, say, Steam. Check out the "Play Now" button on their main page (http://www.playtriton.com/default.asp). It takes you to a form that asks for your credit card number, but does NOT provide SSL encryption. Ridiculous. There's no way I'm using them. Who knows what other stupid stuff they'll do?

I think it was a mistake for 3DR/HH to associate themselves with this amateurish stuff.

As much as I hate to do it, I'm getting the boxed rather than the downloadable version of the full game.

avatar_58 · 06-20-2006, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Nailed

Well, whatever the outcome, I am entirely displeased that 3DR went with Triton over, say, Steam. Check out the "Play Now" button on their main page (http://www.playtriton.com/default.asp). It takes you to a form that asks for your credit card number, but does NOT provide SSL encryption. Ridiculous. There's no way I'm using them. Who knows what other stupid stuff they'll do?

I think it was a mistake for 3DR/HH to associate themselves with this amateurish stuff.

As much as I hate to do it, I'm getting the boxed rather than the downloadable version of the full game.

Yes it does, what site are you visiting? I got SSL on firefox and a Verisign certificate. Here is what happens when I click "Play now" -

https://www.distream.com/disms/triton/signup.asp

Looks secure to me. Not to mention the credit card is optional to sign up. I think the site itself needs work, but it doesn't look insecure to me.

Spooger · 06-20-2006, 03:54 PM

The url also indicates a secure connection:

https://www.distream.com/disms/triton/signup.asp

Don't forget that it says the CC option is, well, optional.

avatar_58 · 06-20-2006, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooger

The url also indicates a secure connection:

https://www.distream.com/disms/triton/signup.asp

Thats why I posted the link

I don't see how anyone could mistake it for not using SSL when its right there.

Altered Reality · 06-20-2006, 04:00 PM

Firefox says that the page is "partially encrypted".

Tim Gerritsen · 06-20-2006, 05:37 PM

Though we very much wanted to include online authentication for the retail release of Prey, we made the very recent decision to remove it due to technical difficulties in implementing it in time for our public release. Therefore we will not be including any online authentication with the retail release of Prey. This does not in any way affect and has nothing to do with our commitment to release Prey through online digital distribution via the Triton streaming system. Both the online demo and the final release of Prey will be available via Triton.

ZuljinRaynor · 06-20-2006, 05:40 PM

Will there be a CD check? Or there will be one for a while until a patch comes out like with Q4 and D3?

avatar_58 · 06-20-2006, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Gerritsen

Though we very much wanted to include online authentication for the retail release of Prey, we made the very recent decision to remove it due to technical difficulties in implementing it in time for our public release. Therefore we will not be including any online authentication with the retail release of Prey. This does not in any way affect and has nothing to do with our commitment to release Prey through online digital distribution via the Triton streaming system. Both the online demo and the final release of Prey will be available via Triton.

Either way it works for me.

Falcon · 06-20-2006, 06:37 PM

Thank you Tim!
I applaud that decission... I hope you make a good security about it anyway...
In any case, Online authentication wasn't a 1% of bad as the damaging Starforce is.
Falcon

avatar_58 · 06-20-2006, 07:02 PM

I do have one question for you Tim and I guess for 3DR too. If Prey sells well despite this decision to drop the protection, will you still opt to use authentication in the future? I mean, if its proven unnecessary that is.

Damien_Azreal · 06-20-2006, 07:05 PM

I don't want to be an ass... but I can't help but wonder what all those people who canceled their pre-orders because of this are thinking.

Phayzon · 06-20-2006, 08:45 PM

"WTF!?" Might cut it

DekenFrost · 06-20-2006, 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by motionblur

Prey never was to be delivered over Steam.
It's always been Triton formerly known as GameXStream.

I only wonder why everybody's bitching about online activation and as soon as there could be a chance it's gone everybody thinks it's good and okay all of a sudden.

thanks .. i hate it when news sites write stuff that isnt conformed .. and then i have false information :P

what sort of payment options does triton have ? i suppose only cc ?

0marTheZealot · 06-20-2006, 09:00 PM

As much as I want to give developers as much support as possible, I just don't see myself using Triton. It looks clunky and unprofessional.

Steam would have probably been a much better route for online distrubution. We could have all had the full version (or at least stuff that's code locked) on our computers right now and whenever the game is released, have it instantly unlocked.

Sticking to the box copy, sorry guys!

Rassilon · 06-20-2006, 09:07 PM

Activation or not, I've preordered my copy of Prey from my local Game Traders shop.

Phayzon · 06-20-2006, 09:10 PM

Yeah. I like box copies better. Especially with free collectible shits

DekenFrost · 06-20-2006, 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 0marTheZealot

As much as I want to give developers as much support as possible, I just don't see myself using Triton. It looks clunky and unprofessional.

Steam would have probably been a much better route for online distrubution. We could have all had the full version (or at least stuff that's code locked) on our computers right now and whenever the game is released, have it instantly unlocked.

Sticking to the box copy, sorry guys!

I agree .. i would love to see it on steam .. steam already is in use for a while .. it had its problems but now it really works.

But i might aswell just give Triton at least a chance.

hell-angel · 06-21-2006, 02:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Gerritsen

Though we very much wanted to include online authentication for the retail release of Prey, we made the very recent decision to remove it due to technical difficulties in implementing it in time for our public release. Therefore we will not be including any online authentication with the retail release of Prey. This does not in any way affect and has nothing to do with our commitment to release Prey through online digital distribution via the Triton streaming system. Both the online demo and the final release of Prey will be available via Triton.

Thanks for the info Tim. And the explenation as well, that is allways good.

Nailed · 06-21-2006, 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Altered Reality

Firefox says that the page is "partially encrypted".

Exactly. Firefox and MSIE both report that. If there's no lock icon visible in my browser, as far as I'm concerned the page is open season for whoever wants my info, as I have no idea which part of the page is encrypted and which is not.

The rest of you guys should check it out. Maybe it's a fluke, maybe it's not.

http://www.playtriton.com/default.asp

0marTheZealot · 06-21-2006, 03:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nailed

Exactly. Firefox and MSIE both report that. If there's no lock icon visible in my browser, as far as I'm concerned the page is open season for whoever wants my info, as I have no idea which part of the page is encrypted and which is not.

The rest of you guys should check it out. Maybe it's a fluke, maybe it's not.

http://www.playtriton.com/default.asp

Yep, I'm getting partial encryption as well on Opera 9.0. Definately not going near this site.

Antosa · 06-21-2006, 03:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Gerritsen

Though we very much wanted to include online authentication for the retail release of Prey, we made the very recent decision to remove it due to technical difficulties in implementing it in time for our public release. Therefore we will not be including any online authentication with the retail release of Prey. This does not in any way affect and has nothing to do with our commitment to release Prey through online digital distribution via the Triton streaming system. Both the online demo and the final release of Prey will be available via Triton.

I'm very happy about this

, i don't like online authentication

But certainly buy Prey

dark_angel · 06-21-2006, 03:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien_Azreal

I don't want to be an ass... but I can't help but wonder what all those people who canceled their pre-orders because of this are thinking.

they were like -->

Azazel · 06-21-2006, 03:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Gerritsen

Though we very much wanted to include online authentication for the retail release of Prey, we made the very recent decision to remove it due to technical difficulties in implementing it in time for our public release. Therefore we will not be including any online authentication with the retail release of Prey. This does not in any way affect and has nothing to do with our commitment to release Prey through online digital distribution via the Triton streaming system. Both the online demo and the final release of Prey will be available via Triton.

Thank god for that! and thanks for letting us know

Cheers

Babe · 06-21-2006, 04:18 AM

Absolutely wonderful news Tim. No online activation. YEY. My freedom to install the game any number of times remains intact. I am not a slave anymore to a Prey server .I am a believer of 100 % freedom. And I like this. YEY

DI-MeisterM · 06-21-2006, 04:58 AM

Thank god the activation has gone! Best news since the annoucement of the Prey Demo release day

Dawid van Straaten · 06-21-2006, 05:58 AM

That's great news

Sebultura · 06-21-2006, 06:13 AM

Yeah, it's far better without this !

Thanks for the explanation & at least for taking in account our questions.

06-20-2006, 07:05 PM	#64
Damien_Azreal Super Moderator	Re: Activation gone? I don't want to be an ass... but I can't help but wonder what all those people who canceled their pre-orders because of this are thinking. __________________ I am... the LAW!

06-20-2006, 09:56 AM	#42
hell-angel	Re: Activation gone? Never the less, there are enough people who don't have internet access on their game PC. We should really wait for 3DR and/or HH to come with an official reply.

06-20-2006, 09:59 AM	#43
Azazel	Re: Activation gone? I can't speak for any other countries except my own (UK) but here internet access is nowhere near as widespread as the US for example but then again it's a much smaller market so why should 3DR be bothered about that. But lets hope they are!

06-20-2006, 10:06 AM	#45
Azazel	I think it's somewhere around 50% right now though growing fast. It's too damn expensive for me tho So what time is it for 3DR / HH? You reckon there's any chance of some clarification soon? Come on people lets keep this thread at the top of the list until we get a definitive answer! Last edited by Azazel; 06-20-2006 at 11:32 AM. Reason: Merged posts.

06-20-2006, 01:07 PM	#46
Altered Reality	Re: Activation gone? I predict that online verification will be present anyway. Forget you are gamers for a moment and consider the following from the point of view of a software house. 1) Piracy must be defeated. Therefore, inserting online verification is GOOD for profit. 2) Awareness about online verification scares away end users. Therefore, mentioning it anywhere is BAD for profit and PR. 3) Explicitly stating that online verification will be present would scare away end users. Therefore it is BAD for profit. 4) Explicitly stating that online verification will NOT be present would mean lying to end users. Therefore it is BAD for PR. __________________ [...] We view customers as complete morons that will never catch on and [...] we're lying to them all the time. (Gabe Newell, Valve) I'm the worst enemy in film-making and a completely talentless idiot. (Uwe Boll) Faith is why you are wrong. (Crosma)

06-20-2006, 01:25 PM	#47
DekenFrost	Re: Activation gone? wasnt prey going to be released over steam ? I read that somewhere but it has been a while ago. And now i cannot find any information on that topic. I would love to get prey through steam it is just so easy to do.

06-20-2006, 01:27 PM	#48
Kristian Joensen	Re: Activation gone? Prey will be available through Triton not Steam. __________________ The Basic Law of the Danish Realm is perphaps one of the most irrelevant constitutional documents in the western world - Kári Á Rógvi, Cand.Jur, LL.M The Philosophy Of Liberty, Chaos Theory Tachyons, Time Travel, and Divine Omniscience A Refutation of Moral Relativism(Transcript)

06-20-2006, 01:28 PM	#49
motionblur	Re: Activation gone? Prey never was to be delivered over Steam. It's always been Triton formerly known as GameXStream. I only wonder why everybody's bitching about online activation and as soon as there could be a chance it's gone everybody thinks it's good and okay all of a sudden.

06-20-2006, 01:54 PM	#51
Thewho	Re: Activation gone? Doesn't look like we're going to get an answer on this anytime soon...

06-20-2006, 02:07 PM	#52
kozchris	Re: Activation gone? Steam would have been nice so we would not need another client installed. Too bad. I decided to wait for conroe so it will be a while until I can play anyway.

06-20-2006, 02:14 PM	#53
Dopefish7590	Re: Activation gone? that's good for some people who don't have internet (like me, I'm not at home right now) if they got rid of internet activation

06-20-2006, 03:46 PM	#54
Nailed	Re: Activation gone? Well, whatever the outcome, I am entirely displeased that 3DR went with Triton over, say, Steam. Check out the "Play Now" button on their main page (http://www.playtriton.com/default.asp). It takes you to a form that asks for your credit card number, but does NOT provide SSL encryption. Ridiculous. There's no way I'm using them. Who knows what other stupid stuff they'll do? I think it was a mistake for 3DR/HH to associate themselves with this amateurish stuff. As much as I hate to do it, I'm getting the boxed rather than the downloadable version of the full game.

06-20-2006, 03:54 PM	#56
Spooger	Re: Activation gone? The url also indicates a secure connection: https://www.distream.com/disms/triton/signup.asp Don't forget that it says the CC option is, well, optional.

06-20-2006, 04:00 PM	#58
Altered Reality	Re: Activation gone? Firefox says that the page is "partially encrypted". __________________ [...] We view customers as complete morons that will never catch on and [...] we're lying to them all the time. (Gabe Newell, Valve) I'm the worst enemy in film-making and a completely talentless idiot. (Uwe Boll) Faith is why you are wrong. (Crosma)

06-20-2006, 05:37 PM	#59
Tim Gerritsen	Re: Activation gone? Though we very much wanted to include online authentication for the retail release of Prey, we made the very recent decision to remove it due to technical difficulties in implementing it in time for our public release. Therefore we will not be including any online authentication with the retail release of Prey. This does not in any way affect and has nothing to do with our commitment to release Prey through online digital distribution via the Triton streaming system. Both the online demo and the final release of Prey will be available via Triton.

06-20-2006, 05:40 PM	#60
ZuljinRaynor	Re: Activation gone? Will there be a CD check? Or there will be one for a while until a patch comes out like with Q4 and D3? __________________ Everything that was asked of us we've done, every night we lay in a filthy foxhole, praying the enemy won't slit our throats. Every day we spent crawling through the mud and the dirt while bullets whistle all around. This is the enemy's last stand. When we take Shuri Castle we go home. All of us. Deus Ex: Invisible War > Deus Ex

06-20-2006, 06:37 PM	#62
Falcon	Re: Activation gone? Thank you Tim! I applaud that decission... I hope you make a good security about it anyway... In any case, Online authentication wasn't a 1% of bad as the damaging Starforce is. Falcon

06-20-2006, 07:02 PM	#63
avatar_58	Re: Activation gone? I do have one question for you Tim and I guess for 3DR too. If Prey sells well despite this decision to drop the protection, will you still opt to use authentication in the future? I mean, if its proven unnecessary that is.

06-20-2006, 08:45 PM	#65
Phayzon	Re: Activation gone? "WTF!?" Might cut it __________________ I made the first post on the VB! "So I guess the news here is that not only is Australia the last to get anything new in regard to videogames, they're also the first to get them taken away." - LeadBullet "We're part-time internet superheros." - Hudson

06-20-2006, 09:00 PM	#67
0marTheZealot	Re: Activation gone? As much as I want to give developers as much support as possible, I just don't see myself using Triton. It looks clunky and unprofessional. Steam would have probably been a much better route for online distrubution. We could have all had the full version (or at least stuff that's code locked) on our computers right now and whenever the game is released, have it instantly unlocked. Sticking to the box copy, sorry guys! __________________ "Lost are only those who abandon themselves." - Hans-Ulrich Rudel “Faith moves mountains, but only knowledge moves them to the right place” - Joseph Goebbels "The victor will never be asked if he told the truth." - Adolf Hitler

06-20-2006, 09:07 PM	#68
Rassilon	Re: Activation gone? Activation or not, I've preordered my copy of Prey from my local Game Traders shop.

06-20-2006, 09:10 PM	#69
Phayzon	Re: Activation gone? Yeah. I like box copies better. Especially with free collectible shits __________________ I made the first post on the VB! "So I guess the news here is that not only is Australia the last to get anything new in regard to videogames, they're also the first to get them taken away." - LeadBullet "We're part-time internet superheros." - Hudson

06-21-2006, 04:18 AM	#77
Babe	Re: Activation gone? Absolutely wonderful news Tim. No online activation. YEY. My freedom to install the game any number of times remains intact. I am not a slave anymore to a Prey server .I am a believer of 100 % freedom. And I like this. YEY

06-21-2006, 04:58 AM	#78
DI-MeisterM	Re: Activation gone? Thank god the activation has gone! Best news since the annoucement of the Prey Demo release day __________________ Planet Daikatana DaikatanaNews.net Planet Divinity.de

06-21-2006, 05:58 AM	#79
Dawid van Straaten	Re: Activation gone? That's great news __________________ A Mathematician must often use a rule, and, naturally, he begins by proving the rule. - Henri Poincare When it is not in our power to determine what is true, we ought to follow the most probable. - Rene Descartes

06-21-2006, 06:13 AM	#80
Sebultura	Re: Activation gone? Yeah, it's far better without this ! Thanks for the explanation & at least for taking in account our questions.