Take Two Sues 3D Realms - Page 30

Waiter · 09-16-2009, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by ReadOnly

I can understand cocaine/WoW, but how come prostitutes could slow the development?

You see, when mama-bee and papa-bee like eachother very much ...

Ironside · 09-16-2009, 10:30 AM

I just dont know if I could enjoy a Duke game by 3dr anymore unless Joe was a major part in its development. Joe is the coolest mod ever. 3dr screwed up hard when the let him go. He was the face of 3dr for so long.

TripleH · 09-16-2009, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Ironside

I just dont know if I could enjoy a Duke game by 3dr anymore unless Joe was a major part in its development. Joe is the coolest mod ever. 3dr screwed up hard when the let him go. He was the face of 3dr for so long.

since when a forum mod is a major part of game development. lol

ReadOnly · 09-16-2009, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Ironside

I just dont know if I could enjoy a Duke game by 3dr anymore unless Joe was a major part in its development.

Rejoice. You wouldn't have enjoyed it either way since Joe was not a part of its development.

crunchy superman · 09-16-2009, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ReadOnly

Rejoice. You wouldn't have enjoyed it either way since Joe was not a part of its development.

Most of us miss him, nevertheless.

WoodenSword · 09-16-2009, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by crunchy superman

Most of us miss him, nevertheless.

Generally i miss the in-house development for 3d realms.

For DNF i'll mostly miss Allen Blum. Where is he now btw?
And Joe for testing it or participating with his own way, sharing tidbits about it.It was a cozy feeling...

ReadOnly · 09-16-2009, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by crunchy superman

Most of us miss him, nevertheless.

I know, but that's not what I meant. Joe was a part of this community. And was part of 3dr also. But not the dev team.

Actually, Ironside's thought could be attributed to a better degree to Charlie Wiederhold since he is in the community and was an important(I guess) asset to the DNF dev team.

And I wholeheartedly agree about Allen Blum III. He was the main mapper of Duke Nukem 3d. He was, perhaps, more responsible for D3D's success than GB(out of all the people that were still in 3dr before the closure).

Blue Lightning · 09-19-2009, 11:30 PM

I think your forgetting another major mapper for DN3D. Initials...LL

ReadOnly · 09-20-2009, 03:57 AM

I was talking about the mapper with most maps. And my favorite level was done by LL anyway. But you're right. LL was the another main mapper.

AB vs LL - 16-14(19-14 Atomic)

ZuljinRaynor · 09-20-2009, 08:18 PM

I frankly think Levelord's maps are overrated.

WoodenSword · 09-20-2009, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ZuljinRaynor

I frankly think Levelord's maps are overrated.

I agree. As i have said before, Levelord was famous only because he had a cool nickname

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His levels had a more generic feeling than those of Allen Blum. That doesn't mean his levels were bad. Just not so special, imo. Anyway Levelord has left long ago at his own will, and has nothing to do with the lawsuit.That's why we didn't mention him.

Does anyone know where Allen Blum is working now,btw?

Wamplet · 09-20-2009, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ReadOnly

I can understand cocaine/WoW, but how come prostitutes could slow the development?

Maybe they were having to get STD tests at the clinic.

ReadOnly · 09-20-2009, 11:17 PM

THAT has never crossed my mind, to be frankly...

ZuljinRaynor · 09-20-2009, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by WoodenSword

Does anyone know where Allen Blum is working now,btw?

I don't know where he is now since his linkedin profile still says he's at 3DR. :/

barreldragons · 09-21-2009, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by ZuljinRaynor

I don't know where he is now since his linkedin profile still says he's at 3DR. :/

o god... DONT YOU SEE???? 3DR KIDNAP HIM!!!!!

ReadOnly · 09-21-2009, 12:31 AM

No, he's obviously continue his work on DNF!!!

WoodenSword · 09-21-2009, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ReadOnly

No, he's obviously continue his work on DNF!!!

Maybe it's good that we have no news of him working elsewhere, since that gives us a small hope that he is still close to 3dr and the external dev team that will hopefully continue DNF.

But frankly i doubt it. If i remember correct, Charlie mentioned that all key DNF players have found jobs elsewhere, and he was a key player.

ReadOnly · 09-21-2009, 10:22 AM

Did my sarcasm just go through without you noticing?

prophecy holder · 09-21-2009, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by ReadOnly

Did my sarcasm just go through without you noticing?

Are you kidding? This baby is off the charts mm-hai.

ReadOnly · 09-21-2009, 11:52 AM

Really?!!!

WoodenSword · 09-21-2009, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ReadOnly

Did my sarcasm just go through without you noticing?

No, its was just wishful thinking!

Gbil · 09-22-2009, 03:48 AM

so how is dnf going to be finished?

DerricktheW · 09-22-2009, 03:53 AM

When its done. Thats how.

Zombie Star · 09-22-2009, 11:46 AM

I dont care who finnishes the game i JUST WANT TO PLAY IT

Duke's New Chainsaw · 09-22-2009, 03:27 PM

OMG thai r mai king a seakual 2 duke3D?!

MrBlackCat · 09-22-2009, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by bubbahotep

IMHO As I see it 12 years and no product does not speak highly of very intelligent, skilled or experience when it comes to this debacle. I think another dev could step in and finish this quickly, as you said they're experts at what they do and I bet the learning curve would be rather low for alot of them.
Just associating names with games doesn't mean without them it wouldn't work or be good, there are many good dev's out there perfectly capable of making it work.

When I said intelligent, skilled or experienced I was referring to the developers as individuals, not as in "the team". I have worked in major software development for years in the past and management is the key.
To quote myself from some 20 years ago... "There is no such thing as a bad employee... for more than one day. After that it is only bad management."
My point in response to your first sentence is that the individuals that "make" the game (or other software) have almost no responsibility in this "debacle".
In my experience, they have no control at all over product release time frames etc. If the coder, artist, level designer or whatever can't meet a given time frame consistently, you replace them with someone who can. Simple. I saw it dozens of times... until they had the right people. Management was the problem, team had little to no responsibility in my opinion.

To finish a good game, could be achieved by many developers... I agree with "I think another dev could step in and finish this quickly, as you said they're experts at what they do and I bet the learning curve would be rather low for alot of them."
As stated in my original post, this is a lot of custom code and could be hard to pick up. The program group I worked with had one million lines of code give or take a few thousand lines in modular routine sets. I don't know much about the size or management of program code for a program like DNF... based on my knowledge of programming/development it would take a great deal of time to just get up to speed with the code. Another team would never figure out every little "thing" that the original code was intended for. With the programs I have written and worked with, even spreadsheets, they are never fully realized.
With that said... I do agree with the idea that another team could finish the game in some way and it might even be great.
My post is more reactionary to the first sentence of your post than anything due to my experience with large program developement. I might be an expert at what I do for instance, but I am only an element of a team... and teams must be managed regardless of the skill of the individual elements capabilities.

If another developer finishes DNF I will certainly buy it and enjoy it for whatever it might be.

MrBlackCat

prophecy holder · 09-24-2009, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Duke's New Chainsaw

OMG thai r mai king a seakual 2 duke3D?!

They announced a while ago that they will be making a sequel to DNF. You have to finish the first one scotty before you work on a second.

Duke's New Chainsaw · 09-24-2009, 02:57 PM

I heard a rumor they are going to make a DNF 8.

Steve · 09-24-2009, 03:10 PM

and now for something completely different

Yeah, it's Duke.

ReadOnly · 09-24-2009, 03:11 PM

That's not surprising. Assuming that there were scraped DNFs because of the engine changes, this DNF was already the third/fourth one.

P.S. I know that DNF development was more of a constant process rather than scrapping everything after tech upgrade/change.

Monkey Butler · 09-24-2009, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve

Yeah, it's Duke.

That's actually Bombshell

Rösti · 09-24-2009, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve

Yeah, it's Duke.

Hmm, so John's into drag?

Ironside · 09-25-2009, 12:06 AM

I want to see Take 2 kill 3DR.

SpinX · 09-25-2009, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Ironside

I want to see Take 2 kill 3DR.

I want to see Duke kick your ass

crunchy superman · 09-25-2009, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by SpinX

I want to see Duke kick your ass

That would require we see Duke again, which is quite an unreasonable scenario.

MegaMustaine · 09-26-2009, 01:18 AM

We shall be seeing a pocket sized version of Duke real soon.

Commando Nukem · 09-26-2009, 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by crunchy superman

That would require we see Duke again, which is quite an unreasonable scenario.

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Originally Posted by MegaMustaine

We shall be seeing a pocket sized version of Duke real soon.

Owned.

Steve · 09-26-2009, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Commando Nukem

Owned.

"3D Realms closes doors, lets dev team go"
"George tells Take Two to STFU"
"3D Realms sued by Take Two"

mmmmMMMMMMMMEGAOWNED

prophecy holder · 09-26-2009, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by MegaMustaine

We shall be seeing a pocket sized version of Duke real soon.

You mean those little milk canisters (get it?) coming out? I don't expect those games getting anything higher than 7.

crunchy superman · 09-26-2009, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MegaMustaine

pocket sized version of Duke

Can you see how ridiculous that is?

09-16-2009, 10:30 AM	#1162
Ironside	Re: Take Two Sues 3D Realms I just dont know if I could enjoy a Duke game by 3dr anymore unless Joe was a major part in its development. Joe is the coolest mod ever. 3dr screwed up hard when the let him go. He was the face of 3dr for so long.

09-19-2009, 11:30 PM	#1168
Blue Lightning	Re: Take Two Sues 3D Realms I think your forgetting another major mapper for DN3D. Initials...LL

09-20-2009, 03:57 AM	#1169
ReadOnly	Re: Take Two Sues 3D Realms I was talking about the mapper with most maps. And my favorite level was done by LL anyway. But you're right. LL was the another main mapper. AB vs LL - 16-14(19-14 Atomic) __________________ When night falls she cloaks the world in impenetrable darkness.

09-20-2009, 08:18 PM	#1170
ZuljinRaynor	Re: Take Two Sues 3D Realms I frankly think Levelord's maps are overrated. __________________ Everything that was asked of us we've done, every night we lay in a filthy foxhole, praying the enemy won't slit our throats. Every day we spent crawling through the mud and the dirt while bullets whistle all around. This is the enemy's last stand. When we take Shuri Castle we go home. All of us. Deus Ex: Invisible War > Deus Ex

09-20-2009, 11:17 PM	#1173
ReadOnly	Re: Take Two Sues 3D Realms THAT has never crossed my mind, to be frankly... __________________ When night falls she cloaks the world in impenetrable darkness.

09-21-2009, 12:31 AM	#1176
ReadOnly	Re: Take Two Sues 3D Realms No, he's obviously continue his work on DNF!!! __________________ When night falls she cloaks the world in impenetrable darkness.

09-21-2009, 10:22 AM	#1178
ReadOnly	Re: Take Two Sues 3D Realms Did my sarcasm just go through without you noticing? __________________ When night falls she cloaks the world in impenetrable darkness.

09-21-2009, 11:52 AM	#1180
ReadOnly	Re: Take Two Sues 3D Realms Really?!!! __________________ When night falls she cloaks the world in impenetrable darkness.

09-22-2009, 03:48 AM	#1182
Gbil	Re: Take Two Sues 3D Realms so how is dnf going to be finished?

09-22-2009, 03:53 AM	#1183
DerricktheW	Re: Take Two Sues 3D Realms When its done. Thats how.

09-22-2009, 11:46 AM	#1184
Zombie Star	Re: Take Two Sues 3D Realms I dont care who finnishes the game i JUST WANT TO PLAY IT

09-22-2009, 03:27 PM	#1185
Duke's New Chainsaw	Re: Take Two Sues 3D Realms OMG thai r mai king a seakual 2 duke3D?! __________________ The Great Communicator!

09-24-2009, 02:57 PM	#1188
Duke's New Chainsaw	Re: Take Two Sues 3D Realms I heard a rumor they are going to make a DNF 8. __________________ The Great Communicator!

09-24-2009, 03:10 PM	#1189
Steve	Re: Take Two Sues 3D Realms and now for something completely different Yeah, it's Duke.

09-24-2009, 03:11 PM	#1190
ReadOnly	Re: Take Two Sues 3D Realms That's not surprising. Assuming that there were scraped DNFs because of the engine changes, this DNF was already the third/fourth one. P.S. I know that DNF development was more of a constant process rather than scrapping everything after tech upgrade/change. __________________ When night falls she cloaks the world in impenetrable darkness.

09-25-2009, 12:06 AM	#1193
Ironside	Re: Take Two Sues 3D Realms I want to see Take 2 kill 3DR.

09-26-2009, 01:18 AM	#1196
MegaMustaine	Re: Take Two Sues 3D Realms We shall be seeing a pocket sized version of Duke real soon. __________________ This signature is a 77/100! Xbox Live Gamertag - Killingroad1986