Activision -"Retail should drop Rock Band"

[Orochi Avlis]

Skewed logic.

1) There are countless GH games, while there is like 4 RB games. Of course they are going to sell more.
2) What about downloadable content? GH's selection is paltry at best compared to RB. RB has a huge selection of DLC. But there is no mention of that. I wonder how much money is made from the DLC alone.

[Tang Lung]

Guitar Hero and Activision are the worst things to happen to gaming.

[ZuljinRaynor]

Rock Band is ten times better than Guitar Hero. Guitar Hero was good at first, and was a great thing for gaming. It just now after GH2, it continues in Rock Band. Harmonix actually cares about the music.

[Crosma]

Meh. They're pretty much identical. Jeez.

Guitar Hero is just marketed better and they've got the release cycle down pat.

[JackpotDen]

How can I place a bounty on these people?

I will play £50 for bobby kotick's head (severed from his body).

[ZuljinRaynor]

Originally Posted by Crosma

Meh. They're pretty much identical. Jeez.

On the most basic level. The difference is the teams. Neversoft blows when it comes to note charts.

[DerricktheW]

"Neversoft blows when it comes to note charts."

See: Guitar Hero 3

One thing not yet mentioned is that Rock Band DLC is actually compatible between Rock Band and Rock Band 2... something Guitar Hero took forever to realize, and is still not doing right.

[ZuljinRaynor]

Yeah, that's why it's still Rock Band 2. There is no real reason for them to make a new version yet. I mean, the only thing could be that harmony stuff they added in RB:B. But otherwise, you just have DLC to expand your game.

Yes it doesn't rake in as much money as Activision's lets make a new version and not share anything between them till now... sorta... but it is much more appreciative of music.

Rock Band is a platform while Guitar Hero is basically Madden.

[Delicieuxz]

I'm liking Activision less and less these days :/
EA has become more game-culture friendly, whereas Activision is trying to be the new evil.

[Tang Lung]

Guitar Hero was a cute idea initially. Now I see it as yet another stagnant, deseased whore in gaming who will give any slimy loser a ride just to satify her next hit.

The fact that everytime I go into a game store it's just shelf after shelf of Guitar Hero spinoffs is just deeply depressing. In the few years since I left my own country, more Guitar Hero and Call of Duty games have come out than any other franchise I've ever seen or heard of, in *any* media.

[someguy2435]

Rock Band
Guitar Hero (now)

[ZuljinRaynor]

Originally Posted by Tang Lung

Guitar Hero was a cute idea initially.

And that cute idea lives on in Rock Band. Guitar Hero 3 and beyond, when Neversoft took the reigns, is when the series just turned into a silly money money money whore.

[Damien_Azreal]

Originally Posted by Delicieuxz

I'm liking Activision less and less these days :/
EA has become more game-culture friendly, whereas Activision is trying to be the new evil.

Agreed.

[ZuljinRaynor]

I started hating Activision back when they tried to acquire id. When they merged with Blizzard, I got really scared and my fears have materialized.

[Damien_Azreal]

I started having issues with them after they bought up Raven. I feel Raven should've remained an independent studio, or maybe merged with id.

[Phayzon]

Originally Posted by someguy2435

Rock Band
Guitar Hero (now)

Agreed. The only GH game I enjoyed since GH2 was Metallica, and only because I'm a huge Metallica fan. Although I do like how GH5 lets you play the same part for multiple players (ie. 2, 3 or 4 guitarists or drummers, etc)

[Delicieuxz]

Originally Posted by Orochi Avlis

Activision -"Retail should drop Rock Band"

Skewed logic.

Here's some better logic: Customers should drop Activision

I wonder how many they've lost in the last week?

[Superczar]

Oh Activision, what happened to thee?

Spoiler:

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[ZuljinRaynor]

Call of Pitfall Modern Kaboom

Next year.

[someguy2435]

Call of Duty 7: 2142

[Yenji]

Originally Posted by ZuljinRaynor

On the most basic level. The difference is the teams. Neversoft blows when it comes to note charts.

Ding ding ding!!! This is why I generally don't play guitar hero anymore. Still love rock band though

[Nexus_sa]

Activision and Neversoft are single handedly destroying the genre. Talk about overkill.

[8IronBob]

Just so long as EA doesn't take over the company that makes Rock Band, then we'll be safe with RB over GH at this point.

[wayskobfssae]

Originally Posted by Tang Lung

Guitar Hero was a cute idea initially. Now I see it as yet another stagnant, deseased whore in gaming who will give any slimy loser a ride just to satify her next hit.

The fact that everytime I go into a game store it's just shelf after shelf of Guitar Hero spinoffs is just deeply depressing. In the few years since I left my own country, more Guitar Hero and Call of Duty games have come out than any other franchise I've ever seen or heard of, in *any* media.

And the guitar/band games are just a cheap spinoff of the "Dance (insert catchy cool word here)" games that were coming out in 10 years prior.

[Commando Nukem]

Originally Posted by wayskobfssae

And the guitar/band games are just a cheap spinoff of the "Dance (insert catchy cool word here)" games that were coming out in 10 years prior.

Give this man a medal.

Both series need to stick it for a few years in my view. Oversaturation FOR THE FAIL.

[ZuljinRaynor]

Well, Guitar Freaks was like 1998, as was Dance Dance Revolution (both by the same company). This is more a clone of Guitar Freaks, than DDR. So you can't really call them cheap spin offs of "dance" games since they're more of a clone of the old Guitar Freaks game.

So it's not over saturation of Guitar games. Music rhythm games, maybe but not in the guitar department. Everyone made DDR clones. With the guitar stuff, the only ones over saturating are Activision because Rock Band is just making DLCs, not a new version every year with 40 new songs.

[8IronBob]

That's right, at least DLCs are a far more effective method of bringing new content, and it saves them money to do so, re-releasing new separate games like Activision's doing. It's almost like Microsoft vs. Apple in terms of OS releases. Microsoft would much rather keep Windows going through Service Packs, whereas Apple wants to sell a whole new OSX instead of updating your existing version with a package. It's almost the same idea between RB and GH, with RB, you only pay a small fee to get new songs or new updates to a game, not have to buy a whole new game and possibly a whole new guitar.

[wayskobfssae]

Originally Posted by ZuljinRaynor

Well, Guitar Freaks was like 1998, as was Dance Dance Revolution (both by the same company). This is more a clone of Guitar Freaks, than DDR. So you can't really call them cheap spin offs of "dance" games since they're more of a clone of the old Guitar Freaks game.

So it's not over saturation of Guitar games. Music rhythm games, maybe but not in the guitar department. Everyone made DDR clones. With the guitar stuff, the only ones over saturating are Activision because Rock Band is just making DLCs, not a new version every year with 40 new songs.

There ought to be a more technical name for this kind of game. It wouldn't even have to in any way relate to something in the real world, (guitars, dance steps, etc). What we essentially have is a "space monkey training" game that requires the gamer to press a button when the appropriate light comes on. Icons slide down the screen (in 2D or 3D) and when the icons hit a certain point, you're required to hit a button. The only thing that has changed with these games is the shape of the input device. They all work the same though. There's nothing particularly innovative about yanking 5 buttons off a dance floor and putting them along the neck of a guitar instead. That's up there with taking a Babe Ruth Slot Machine, slapping new symbols on the slots, new artwork on the case, and replacing the baseball bat lever with a microphone, so that it becomes an Elvis Slot Machine, and actually treating it like its a different game. (sorry for the run-on sentence, grammar nazis)

[ZuljinRaynor]

So? I rather play fake guitar than fake dance. So I'm rather happy that they have this kind of game.

[wayskobfssae]

Originally Posted by ZuljinRaynor

So? I rather play fake guitar than fake dance. So I'm rather happy that they have this kind of game.

Would you call an FPS a different game just because you used to play it on a gamepad and now play it on a keyboard?

[Sang]

I fail to see how guitar game vs dance game compares to FPS game vs FPS game except with different input controls..

It's a stupid question really. Play Guitar Hero. Then play Dance Dance Revolution or something. Yeah they're sortof alike in a way but to claim they aren't different games... yeah no.

[Echo Black]

Originally Posted by wayskobfssae

There ought to be a more technical name for this kind of game. It wouldn't even have to in any way relate to something in the real world, (guitars, dance steps, etc). What we essentially have is a "space monkey training" game that requires the gamer to press a button when the appropriate light comes on. Icons slide down the screen (in 2D or 3D) and when the icons hit a certain point, you're required to hit a button. The only thing that has changed with these games is the shape of the input device.

"Rhythm games".

[Nexus_sa]

Taken from another forum post. I thought it was pretty enlightening to Activisions blatent lie. Wonder what they'll say to this. Remember, too, that GH5 has an extra week of sales on GH5. Still, not even 2-1, let alone 4-1 as claimed. My bet is RB:TB blows GH5 out of the water.

http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly.php

The Beatles: Rock Band XBox360=241,604 total
The Beatles: Rock Band Wii= 250,268 total
The Beatles: Rock Band PS3= 131,910 total
_________________Adds up to 623,782 total units sold up until 12th September 2009...

Guitar Hero 5 XBox= 275,938
Guitar Hero 5 Wii= 218,764
Guitar Hero 5 PS3= 201,115
_________________Adds up to 695,817 total units sold up until 12th September 2009...

Total Difference: 72,035

[DerricktheW]

Retail should drop Guitar Hero

All we need is every year a new music game with a bunch of different songs that allows the songs from previous games to be imported, and once every few years a music game based on one band.

I mean, Metallica and Beatles are more enjoyable than Guitar Hero 4, 5, and Rock Band at times IMO

[Tang Lung]

If I had a game console I would probably buy a Rock Band game just as a 'FU' to Activision and Guitar Hero.

[DerricktheW]

It'll end up being a 'TY' to your heart for having bought an addictive game.

Then a month later, it'll be an 'FU' again.

[Rapture_Rising]

I brought the stand alone AC/DC Rock Band track pack for PS3 last december and i still haven't played it yet. The only times i have played GH is when i was at a party and being quite drunk and trying it at a setup they had at a game shop and being drunk and playing it with mates (who are also wasted) is really quite fun but when playing it sober it sucked quite badly.

But i agree they should drop both GH and RB because it takes away the satisfaction of being able to play a real instrument, in a real band and in front of a real audience.

Although coming from a business side there is still quite a lot of money that can be made from band games. Drop it now while its still on a high before it comes bland, stale and repetitive. (oops too late).

[ZuljinRaynor]

Originally Posted by wayskobfssae

Would you call an FPS a different game just because you used to play it on a gamepad and now play it on a keyboard?

I can't tell if you are being serious or not. Rhythm games are based around control types while FPS aren't.

[ReadOnly]

But i agree they should drop both GH and RB because it takes away the satisfaction of being able to play a real instrument, in a real band and in front of a real audience.

How exactly does it take away satisfaction of being able to play real instrument?

[ZuljinRaynor]

Originally Posted by ReadOnly

How exactly does it take away satisfaction of being able to play real instrument?

It's just a music elitist's attitude. Sure there is satisfaction in being a real life rock star, but not everyone can be that and this is a great alternative to those that have different careers.

I'd love to learn an instrument, but right now, I don't have the time to dedicate as much as I would need to that. So this is a fun alternate. Plus it's like listening to music at the same time and not like listening to oneself trying to learn how to play an instrument.