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Scream
03-27-2005, 08:06 PM
Sony ordered to pay $90.7 mil. in patent infringement suit

Saturday, March 26, 2005 at 15:37 JST
LOS ANGELES The U.S. District Court in Oakland, California, has ordered Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. and its U.S. unit to pay $90.7 million in damages to Immersion Corp. for patent infringement over controllers used with PlayStation game consoles.

In the ruling handed down Thursday, the federal court also ordered Sony Computer Entertainment and Sony Entertainment America Inc. to stop selling the PlayStation and PlayStation 2 game consoles using Dualshock controllers as well as more than 40 game software products. (Kyodo News)

http://www.japantoday.com/e/?content=news&cat=3&id=332037

Scooter
03-27-2005, 08:09 PM
owned!

Ivan
03-27-2005, 08:10 PM
What an unspected twist! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/eek.gif

Brick_Sledge
03-27-2005, 08:22 PM
I laugh at Sony!

Inanimate Carbon Rod
03-27-2005, 08:40 PM
No way, it cant be true.

Mountain Man
03-27-2005, 08:49 PM
And to top it all off, the PSP has been a disappointing seller. Things aren't looking good for ol' Sony.

Paroxysm
03-27-2005, 09:38 PM
You can not stop evil, mearly delay it. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Lengis
03-27-2005, 10:22 PM
I don't buy it...... I'll wait until a more credible news site mentions it.

Paroxysm
03-27-2005, 11:40 PM
The only odd thing about the news is that Sony already lost this case last year (http://www.joystiq.com/entry/1771212788933190/) .

Seperately here's the actual court order (maybe they just took along time to write it? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif)


IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA

IMMERSION CORPORATION, Plaintiff, v. SONY COMPUTER ENTERTAINMENT AMERICA, INC., SONY COMPUTER ENTERTAINMENT, INC., and MICROSOFT CORPORATION,
Defendants.

No. C 02-0710 CW

JUDGMENT

This action came on for trial before the Court, the Honorable Claudia Wilken, United States District Judge, presiding, and the issues having been duly tried and the Jury having duly rendered its verdict as to the claims presented to it, and the Court having entered its findings as to the defense of inequitable conduct,

IT IS HEREBY ORDERED:

That judgment is entered in favor of Plaintiff Immersion Corp. (Immersion) against Defendants Sony Computer Entertainment America, Inc., (SCEA) and Sony Computer Entertainment, Inc., (SCEI) (collectively Sony) on Immersion's claims of infringement of U.S. Patent Nos. 6,424,333 and 6,275,213. Judgment is also entered in Immersion's favor on Sony's counter-claims for declaratory judgment of non-infringement. Immersion shall recover of Defendants SCEA and SCEI jointly and severally the amount of $82,000,000.00. This sum shall be paid directly to Immersion forthwith; no escrow account is required. In accordance with the portion of the Court's January 10, 2005 order awarding Immersion pre-judgment interest at the prime rate, Immersion shall recover of Defendants pre-judgment
interest in the amount of $8,703,608.00.1 Immersion shall recover its costs from Sony.

In a separate order, the Court also issues a permanent injunction against Sony, stayed pending appeal to the Federal Circuit, and a compulsory license fee for the duration of the
stay.

IT IS SO ORDERED.

Dated: 3/24/05

CLAUDIA WILKEN
United States District Judge

IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA

IMMERSION CORPORATION, Plaintiff, v. SONY COMPUTER ENTERTAINMENT AMERICA, INC., SONY COMPUTER ENTERTAINMENT, INC., and MICROSOFT CORPORATION,
Defendants.

No. C 02-0710 CW

ORDER ENTERING PERMANENT INJUNCTION AND GRANTING DEFENDANTS' MOTION TO STAY INJUNCTION PENDING APPEAL

For the reasons set forth in its January 10, 2005 Order, and having entered judgment in favor of Plaintiff Immersion Corp. (Immersion), the Court hereby PERMANENTLY ENJOINS Defendants Sony Computer Entertainment America, Inc., (SCEA) and Sony Computer Entertainment, Inc., (SCEI) (collectively Sony) from manufacturing, using, and/or selling in, or importing into, the United States the infringing Sony Playstation system, including its Playstation consoles, Dualshock controllers, and those games found by the jury to infringe. [FN1: The jury found that the following games, in conjunction with the Playstation consoles and Dualshock controllers, infringed either the '213 patent, the '333 patent or both patents: A Bug's Life; Amplitude; Ape Escape; Atlantis: The Lost Empire; Bloody Roar 2; Cool Boarders 3; Cool Boarders 4; Cool Boarders 2001; Crash Bash; Crash Team Racing; Drakan: The Ancients' Gate; Emperor's New Groove; Extermination; FantaVision; Final Fantasy X; Formula One 2001; The Getaway; Gran Turismo; Gran Turismo 2; Gran Turismo 3; Grand Theft Auto: Vice City; Grand Theft Auto 3; Grind Session; ICO; Jak & Daxter; Kinetica; Kingdom Hearts; Legend of the Dragoon; The Mark of Kri; Medal of Honor Frontline; Medievil 2; Metal Gear Solid 2; Monster's, Inc.; Sly Cooper and the Thievius Racoonus; SOCOM Navy Seals; Speed Punks; Spyro: Ripto's Rage; Spyro: Year of the Dragon; Stuart Little 2; Syphon Filter 2; Syphon Filter 3; Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3; Twisted Metal: Black; Twisted Metal 4; Twisted Metal: Small Brawl; Treasure Planet; and War of the Monsters.] As described in the January 10 Order, no recall is required of products already sold, but Sony will pay a license fee on all products already placed in the stream of commerce.

The Court GRANTS Sony's counter-motion for a stay (Docket No. 1370) of the injunction pending appeal, pursuant to Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 62(c). In making this determination, the Court considers the strength of Sony's showing that it is likely to succeed on the merits of its appeal, whether Sony will be irreparably injured absent a stay, whether the stay will substantially injure Immersion, and where the public interest lies. Standard Havens Products, Inc., v. Gencor Indus., Inc., 897 F.2d 511, 512 (Fed. Cir. 1990), quoting Hilton v. Braunskill, 481 U.S. 770, 776, (1987). The Court finds that on balance, these factors weigh in favor of granting a stay. None of the authority cited by Immersion suggests that a stay of the injunction pending appeal would be an abuse of discretion. As long as the injunction is stayed, the compulsory license remains in effect.

Sony has filed with the Court a "supplemental submission" of updated sales data for the year 2004. Sony's evidence shows that the games found by the jury to infringe now represent a smaller proportion of overall game sales; for instance, none of the top ten best-selling games for 2004 were accused. See Mehta Decl., Ex. D, TRSTS Report for December 2004. On the other hand, Immersion has provided the Court with supplemental evidence from its expert, Dr. Colgate, showing that Sony has continued to release games that contain the complex vibration found by the jury to infringe. See Colgate Decl. 5-6. As Sony notes, "the video game industry is driven by trends," and "games go in and out of style in months." Sony Supplemental Submission Re: Updated Sales Data Relevant to Motions for Injunction and Stay at 2. Absent evidence from Sony that it has redesigned its products so as to avoid the systems and methods found by the jury to infringe, the Court declines to revise the scope of its injunction based on the introduction of new games and the decline in popularity of the accused games.

IT IS SO ORDERED.

Dated: 3/24/05

CLAUDIA WILKEN
United States District Judge

BioHazard
03-28-2005, 12:06 AM
Paroxysm said:
You can not stop evil, mearly delay it. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif



And I'm sure an industry dominated by Microsoft would be a really good thing for gamers. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

XPM
03-28-2005, 01:12 AM
YEAH MAN \m/ (.) \m/
Drown Sony Drown!

Bastards....trying to run down Nintendo....That will show em!

Duoae
03-28-2005, 02:17 AM
I never even heard of this happening! Wow...

Paroxysm
03-28-2005, 02:18 AM
Gilgamesh said:

Paroxysm said:
You can not stop evil, mearly delay it. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif



And I'm sure an industry dominated by Microsoft would be a really good thing for gamers. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif



Being dominated by Sony hasn't been good for it either.

Twin
03-28-2005, 03:01 AM
hmmmm sorry if i sound a little stupid here, but why has sony been forced to stop selling the ps2 and psone?

as far as i can see from the article, it just says that they've been forced to stop selling the playstation 1 and 2 (and hopefully psp lol http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif ) but doesn't give a reason why.....can anybody enlighten me on this please? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Paroxysm
03-28-2005, 03:23 AM
Infringment of a patent about rumble feature in the controllers. They were suing Microsoft too but they had an out of court settlement and they license the tech now.

Geo-King
03-28-2005, 03:36 AM
Wow, a lot of people here hate PS2 ? Anyway its always better to have as many consoles out there as possible. Battling companies benefit the consumer. Its childish to squabble about consoles. Gaming should be about the games, not the platform they are on. All systems have their gems. Besides most of the good games get ported to PC anyway hehe. I have to say, I hate it when Sony makes proprietary shit!

I bet Microsoft is behind this conspiracy. That was a nerdy thing to say... Sorry.

Rider
03-28-2005, 03:49 AM
Geo-King said:
I bet Microsoft is behind this conspiracy. That was a nerdy thing to say... Sorry.



Why? Everone else is thinking it... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

seregrail7
03-28-2005, 03:51 AM
Why all the sony hating? The PS consoles have some great games on them, I'd hate to see them gone.

Duoae
03-28-2005, 04:07 AM
seregrail7 said:
Why all the sony hating? The PS consoles have some great games on them, I'd hate to see them gone.



I don't hate sony, after all i have a PS1, 2 and Two. But seriously, those games would just appear on Xbox or Gamecube if the PS2 was forced to be stopped. Game makers wouldn't just stop selling games.... In fact, i think a lot of games would benefit from being on different consoles to PS2 - which i feel is dated, not just in graphics....

Geir
03-28-2005, 08:00 AM
the law doesn't know anything about gaming


...to stop selling the PlayStation and PlayStation 2 game consoles using Dualshock controllers as well as more than 40 game software products.



I could understand why you would stop the vibration feedback but why stop the dual shock system, it was a compleatly perfect system. why would they stop production of games? if you remove the production of dualshock controllers, you are not gonna have any dual shock support for games.

Logic Bomb
03-28-2005, 08:44 AM
Gilgamesh said:

Paroxysm said:
You can not stop evil, mearly delay it. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif



And I'm sure an industry dominated by Microsoft would be a really good thing for gamers. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif



I own an xbox and haven't seen anything wrong with this predicament. As long as they keep doing what their doing i'll be a happy gamer. MS has proved itself in this area of business to me.

- LB

Pansa
03-28-2005, 09:14 AM
seregrail7 said:
Why all the sony hating?



same reason as for the EA hating...

Pansa
03-28-2005, 09:16 AM
Dr. Emmett Brown said:
the law doesn't know anything about gaming


...to stop selling the PlayStation and PlayStation 2 game consoles using Dualshock controllers as well as more than 40 game software products.



I could understand why you would stop the vibration feedback but why stop the dual shock system, it was a compleatly perfect system. why would they stop production of games? if you remove the production of dualshock controllers, you are not gonna have any dual shock support for games.



simple answer : because they can.

or , seeing the need to enforce patents and copyrightissues to ensure ones rights , maybe they have to ... otherwise maybe sony could counter with "aha they are allowed this but we arent"

Scream
03-28-2005, 09:22 AM
I read (and I have no idea if it's true or not) that Microsoft already settled out of court with the same company for the use of the same technology (the rumble feature) and pays them something for every Xbox controller they sell. Once again, I don't know if this is fact or fiction.

Scream
03-28-2005, 09:26 AM
Lengis said:
I don't buy it...... I'll wait until a more credible news site mentions it.



ZDNet (http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1040_22-5641924.html?tag=zdfd.newsfeed)?

Very likely this will get settled out of court for a large, but undisclosed, amount of cash.

Karthik
03-28-2005, 09:44 AM
Time out, how come Immersion didn't sue Nintendo for it's N64 rumble pack?

Wamplet
03-28-2005, 09:53 AM
Karthik said:
Time out, how come Immersion didn't sue Nintendo for it's N64 rumble pack?



I had no idea Nintendo was turning a profit in the US. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Pansa
03-28-2005, 10:13 AM
Karthik said:
Time out, how come Immersion didn't sue Nintendo for it's N64 rumble pack?



depending on the actual patent they own at immersion there are 2 options.

1) different technology (eg if patent as suggested above would depend on a rotary device nintendo could have something that flipps forth and back)

2) nintendo licenced it...

Ruger
03-28-2005, 10:26 AM
It seems like we wont actually see much impact from this, as consumers anyway. Sony is still allowed to sell consoles while their appeal is pending, and I highly doubt they would be made to shut down after that, whether they won it or not. Immersion presumably wants a royalty deal like they worked out with Microsoft, and they can't get that if they make Sony shut down it's console division.

So basically, unless Sony was already on the brink of bankruptcy and can't afford this extra money, I don't see it being the crisis some are making it out to be.

Personally, I think these companies, which appear to specialize only in acquiring patents that they can then try to sue everyone over, are full of shit. It reminds me of a story I read a while back about some company called Acacia, that was suing every porn website in existence, claiming they "invented" the concept of streaming video content off the web. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

Phayzon
03-28-2005, 01:15 PM
Good. That gets the Playstation geeks at school out of my way.

IwantMORE
03-28-2005, 05:01 PM
"Sony said it would appeal the decision, stemming from a 2002 case brought by US firm Immersion, and would continue to sell its products pending the hearing."

Sony won't stop selling then till the case is over. This has been running for a while and it look like Sony will take it to the line.

Ha ha to all big companies that paten everything then fall foul of the same system http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

"the PSP has been a disappointing seller"

Really? I thought they had just put back the European release because they could not make them fast enough to meet demand in the US!!

"Time out, how come Immersion didn't sue Nintendo for it's N64 rumble pack?"

If I remember rightly they developed the first one with Nintendo for the 64.

Lastly, it's only in the US so who cares http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif buy one from Europe or Japan if they ban sales.

Mountain Man
03-28-2005, 05:58 PM
IwantMORE said:
"the PSP has been a disappointing seller"

Really? I thought they had just put back the European release because they could not make them fast enough to meet demand in the US!!


Admittedly, my sources are purely anecdotal, but the general albeit informal concensus based on various reports I've read is that the anticipated fervor among consumers simply never materialized. I've read reports of stores on launch day sitting on as many as 30 unsold units, and the sales of PSP games was even more dismal.

I don't think its sales performance was catastrophic. Rather, it was simply below (and perhaps even far below) expectations.

Imfamous
03-28-2005, 06:05 PM
I heard Bungie has been court ordered to recall Halo 2 because of consumer fraud. You read that article, Screamer? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Scream
03-28-2005, 08:27 PM
Imfamous said:
I heard Bungie has been court ordered to recall Halo 2 because of consumer fraud. You read that article, Screamer? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif



Was it written by some teenager living in his parent's basement who was counting on a video game to lift him out of his world of self-flagellation, only to have his hopes dashed because after playing it he was still a virgin with few prospects other than to sign up for a couple more Internet pr0n sites using his mother's credit card? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

NetNessie
03-28-2005, 08:58 PM
Scream said:
Very likely this will get settled out of court for a large, but undisclosed, amount of cash.



All at the price of Sony's dignity. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinyted.gif

As a nintendo user, I wish this happened to Microsoft more than sony. Its a shame; but only for the gamers.

Imfamous
03-28-2005, 09:41 PM
Scream said:

Imfamous said:
I heard Bungie has been court ordered to recall Halo 2 because of consumer fraud. You read that article, Screamer? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif



Was it written by some teenager living in his parent's basement who was counting on a video game to lift him out of his world of self-flagellation, only to have his hopes dashed because after playing it he was still a virgin with few prospects other than to sign up for a couple more Internet pr0n sites using his mother's credit card? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif



LMAO! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Yatta
03-28-2005, 11:39 PM
That's fake.

NetNessie
03-29-2005, 12:36 AM
Yatta said:
That's fake.



The sony one, or the Bungie Halo2 one?

Duoae
03-29-2005, 05:52 AM
The sony one is not fake:

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=22149

<font color="#1F1F22"> And i'm hiding this here because i know certain people seem to question the validity of the inquirer so here is another site http:// news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4387045.stm
</font>

Scream
03-29-2005, 06:05 AM
Imfamous said:

Scream said:

Imfamous said:
I heard Bungie has been court ordered to recall Halo 2 because of consumer fraud. You read that article, Screamer? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif



Was it written by some teenager living in his parent's basement who was counting on a video game to lift him out of his world of self-flagellation, only to have his hopes dashed because after playing it he was still a virgin with few prospects other than to sign up for a couple more Internet pr0n sites using his mother's credit card? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif



LMAO! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Ivan
03-29-2005, 07:14 AM
Oh well, they got me. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif

Hudson
03-31-2005, 02:20 PM
seregrail7 said:
Why all the sony hating? The PS consoles have some great games on them, I'd hate to see them gone.



It's because Sony came out with the PSX and rocked the console gaming world (basically took it over) then released the PS2 which once again was highly sucessful (#1) and fanboys for Nintendo and MS look for any reason to hate their sucess.

Sony isn't going anywhere anytime soon http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

JackpotDen
03-31-2005, 02:25 PM
more like

*******S KEEP HAVING PS ONLY RELEASES

Hudson
03-31-2005, 02:27 PM
People want to sell games, Sony has the most sucessful systems, hence the exclusives.

After awhile they always make their way around anyway, mainly to the PC http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif

Duoae
03-31-2005, 03:59 PM
Hudson said:
It's because Sony came out with the PSX and rocked the console gaming world (basically took it over) then released the PS2 which once again was highly sucessful (#1) and fanboys for Nintendo and MS look for any reason to hate their sucess.

Sony isn't going anywhere anytime soon http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif



It's not just me that calls the original PS the PSX? Cool... i was wondering on my sanity as that "PSX" Sony released is actually the "media centre" equivalent.... The playstation was originally called the PSX wasn't it?

JackpotDen
03-31-2005, 04:33 PM
nah, originally it was play station.

Then, they made a manky "Slimlol" version, and called it PSone, and the other "PSX"

Duoae
03-31-2005, 04:42 PM
Yeah, but originally everyone online referred to the original PS as the PSX.... don't ask me why, because i don't know.

Hudson
03-31-2005, 05:03 PM
When the Playstation was first in pre-production back in the day a gaming magazine (EGM I believe, not 100%) they referred to it as the "PSX". For me and many others, the name just stuck.

I'll look into it.

[Edit]:

http://www.urbangeek.net/geek/dictionary/geekspeakp-s.html

"PSX (n): A prelaunch name for the Sony PlayStation, the 'PSX' evolved out of the name of the original, unreleased PlayStation, which was to be a CD-ROM add-on for Super NES. This unit, the 'PlayStation X' evolved into the system that was released by Sony on Sept 9, 1995, the PSX or PlayStation."

Paroxysm
03-31-2005, 05:10 PM
Hudson said:

seregrail7 said:
Why all the sony hating? The PS consoles have some great games on them, I'd hate to see them gone.



It's because Sony came out with the PSX and rocked the console gaming world (basically took it over) then released the PS2 which once again was highly sucessful (#1) and fanboys for Nintendo and MS look for any reason to hate their sucess.

Sony isn't going anywhere anytime soon http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif



Rocked the console world, filled it with cheaply made hardware and cheap productionline games where marketing is more important than quality. Same thing I guess.

Hudson
03-31-2005, 05:18 PM
So you're saying there haven't been many, many exceptionally high quality games on the PSX and PS2 (in good variety no less).

Then again Sony could always take the Nintendo route and churn out the exact same platformer formula game after game, then beg and/or buy the rights for exclusive games for the sole purpose of having to attract attention http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Pansa
03-31-2005, 05:51 PM
Hudson said:
So you're saying there haven't been many, many exceptionally high quality games on the PSX and PS2 (in good variety no less).

Then again Sony could always take the Nintendo route and churn out the exact same platformer formula game after game, then beg and/or buy the rights for exclusive games for the sole purpose of having to attract attention http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif



no he was saying that the number of crapgames exceeds the number of good games by far , even in comparision to some other platforms..

and might i just add ? imho the gigantic success of sony on the console market is due to it being NOT impossible to copy on them... (not to say "easy")

that counts fpr the psx in particular... but for the ps2 also to some extend

8IronBob
03-31-2005, 06:09 PM
You're right. Not long after the first PS2 was released, the original PSX shrunk down in size, and was redubbed the "PSOne." That's something that you won't soon forget. Of course, the PS2 has always been backwards compatible to PS1 anyway, so it's more worth just sticking to the PS2 line and getting it overwith... The PSOne's dead as far as I'm concerned, unless someone thinks that the smaller version of the PSX from that PSOne's still worth it, then so be it. I'm usually one that doesn't look back too far on the old stuff, but there are still some that can't afford the newest of the new from the PS line. The PSP will bring with PSOne and PS2 games to the mobile generation, which is where those games belong right now.

Paroxysm
03-31-2005, 06:44 PM
Hudson said:
So you're saying there haven't been many, many exceptionally high quality games on the PSX and PS2 (in good variety no less).

Then again Sony could always take the Nintendo route and churn out the exact same platformer formula game after game, then beg and/or buy the rights for exclusive games for the sole purpose of having to attract attention http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif



Yeah cause all nintendo make are platformers like Mario and.. umm.... Ok so there's not many platformers they make. But there's been so many mario platformers on the GC like Mario sunshine and ummm... ok so there's only one... but it's just like the older one on the last platform!!! oh although there was a big reaction to it because the gameplay mechanics and atmosphere were so different from the previous installment....

Yeah good point hudson.

In other news Sony do more milking of licenses and pay for as many exclusive as Nintendo and Microsoft. So you can go blow it out your arse http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Oh yes there haven't been many exceptional games in the playstation lineup. There's a few. Many adequete games and a enough rancid crap to choke a million donkeys.

John
03-31-2005, 09:16 PM
Paroxysm said:

Hudson said:
So you're saying there haven't been many, many exceptionally high quality games on the PSX and PS2 (in good variety no less).

Then again Sony could always take the Nintendo route and churn out the exact same platformer formula game after game, then beg and/or buy the rights for exclusive games for the sole purpose of having to attract attention http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif



Yeah cause all nintendo make are platformers like Mario and.. umm.... Ok so there's not many platformers they make. But there's been so many mario platformers on the GC like Mario sunshine and ummm... ok so there's only one... but it's just like the older one on the last platform!!! oh although there was a big reaction to it because the gameplay mechanics and atmosphere were so different from the previous installment....

Yeah good point hudson.

In other news Sony do more milking of licenses and pay for as many exclusive as Nintendo and Microsoft. So you can go blow it out your arse http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Oh yes there haven't been many exceptional games in the playstation lineup. There's a few. Many adequete games and a enough rancid crap to choke a million donkeys.



Name the best GC games, that weren't created by Nintendo. Then think about the ones from nintendo and ask yourself if they still "got it". http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Hudson
03-31-2005, 09:42 PM
Paroxysm said:
Yeah cause all nintendo make are platformers like Mario and.. umm.... Ok so there's not many platformers they make. But there's been so many mario platformers on the GC like Mario sunshine and ummm... ok so there's only one... but it's just like the older one on the last platform!!! oh although there was a big reaction to it because the gameplay mechanics and atmosphere were so different from the previous installment....

Yeah good point hudson.



Ok, I'll give you Mario Sunshine.. You're right about that. It was not like anything else they have made. I mean when I played it I thought someone had to be on some really serious drugs to think that shit up. Also, even though you didn't mention it i'll give you Metroid Prime as well. Now IMHO putting Metroid into a first person shooter was yet another insane idea (I mean for me it was like raping my childhood) but lots of other people liked it, so ok.

But anyway, the point I was trying to make was that Nintendo preaches about how they "innovate" the gameworld when all they do is create the same thing over and over with more colors and with different characters (now that I think about it I shouldn't have said "churn out the exact same platformer formula" but instead "churn out the exact same game formula") Now this was the worst back in the days of the N64 where Mario64, Banjo Kazooie, Banjo Tooie (god I hate that fxcking name), etc. were basically all the same damn game.


In other news Sony do more milking of licenses and pay for as many exclusive as Nintendo and Microsoft. So you can go blow it out your arse http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



I wasn't talking about milking licenses, I was talking about how Nintendo had to hook up with Capcom and Konami for some exclusive Resident Evil and Metal Gear titles just to draw the attention from the rest of the gaming public. What I find even more sad is that while it made rabid/dedicated RE fanatics force to either buy a console just to keep playing their favorite series or abandon the series almost completely.. It still landed Nintendo trailing behind.


Oh yes there haven't been many exceptional games in the playstation lineup. There's a few. Many adequete games and a enough rancid crap to choke a million donkeys.



"Rancid crap" is all a matter of opinion. While you have already admitted to being a Nintendo fanboy on several occasions, I try and remain subjective. You say there's a ton of crap games on the system.. ok. But at least there's a huge variety to choose from. Unlike the GC where you have their "been there done that" or selective audience first party titles (nintendo games are just that, it sucks to own a system where if you're not into what they think gamers want you're screwed), or the DS where it's still stuck in "lets just port everything from the N64" hell.

(off the subject here, but they made such a big deal about the second screen and it being touch sensitive.. besides all these minigames when the hell is someone actually going to make use of it?)

Paroxysm
03-31-2005, 10:33 PM
Hudson said:
But anyway, the point I was trying to make was that Nintendo preaches about how they "innovate" the gameworld when all they do is create the same thing over and over with more colors and with different characters


I'd just say you're wrong there. Even in their continuing series (ignoring all the new series they create on each console) the mechanics are normally changed enough to either get people terribly excited or extremely angry. They have hardly ever just updated the asthetics. I'd say Zelda: Wind Waker was a game that didn't really change many gameplay mechanics. Hardly a sloucher of a game though.


Now this was the worst back in the days of the N64 where Mario64, Banjo Kazooie, Banjo Tooie (god I hate that fxcking name), etc. were basically all the same damn game.


hmm I didn't like tha banjo games but they played very differently to mario64. Have you actually played the games you're commenting on?


I was talking about how Nintendo had to hook up with Capcom and Konami for some exclusive Resident Evil and Metal Gear titles just to draw the attention from the rest of the gaming public.


What are you talking about? Sony has done the exact same thing... with the exact same licenses. Metal Gear started on nintendo anyway if you remember http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif


You say there's a ton of crap games on the system.. ok. But at least there's a huge variety to choose from.


A huge quantity does not equal a huge variety.


or the DS where it's still stuck in "lets just port everything from the N64" hell.



There are, 3 ports from the N64. Mario 64, which has been heavily altered, rayman 2 and one of those racing games. currently there are about 200 games in development. 3:200 doesn't really seem like a port machine to me.


(off the subject here, but they made such a big deal about the second screen and it being touch sensitive.. besides all these minigames when the hell is someone actually going to make use of it?)


Strategy games(age of empires, shogun warriors, etc), FPS (only console they've ever controlled well on, metroid, goldeneye), virtual controlers(shit loads), new control methods (see Yoshi's touch and go and more so Kirby's Magic Paintbrush), gesture recognition/symbol painting(pix pac), direct interaction in adventure games (see: another code) and just any puzzle based games, quick music composition(band of brothers), etc