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Cerberus_e
04-18-2005, 12:18 PM
lots of people say it's a scary game, so I can't wait to play it.
only problem: it doesn't run http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
on my windows XP the demo crashes and the only way to fix that is to reset my whole computer.
haven't tried it on my windows 2000 server edition because I don't have enough space there, it's a pentium 2 with 64 mb ram and 350 mhz. if it doesn't work on XP with 98 compability, it won't work on 2000 server for sure.
only possibility left: windows 98.
it's a pentium 3 of 550 mhz and 128 mb ram.
onboard graphics card: intel 82810E graphics controller
I know you need a 4 mb graphics card with directX 6 at least, but wouldn't you think an onboard graphics card of the pentium 3 era is good enough for a game of the pentium 200 era? DirectX 9 is installed.
the problem is as soon as the loading screen is done, everything is black, and I hear the sound of an error screen. I can't read it (if there is an error box even), but when pressing escape the game quits.

something less important: this is 2005, will the game still scare me? I know the game is square http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
but 6 months ago I played HL1 and enjoyed it a lot.

Hudson
04-18-2005, 12:56 PM
System Shock II is my favorite game ever made. I can play it just fine in WinXP (even multiplayer). Just takes a bit of tweaking.

If you're having problems, check out this FAQ and make sure to get the "XPFixed" .exe off the net (or it may be linked in the thread)

http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69958


something less important: this is 2005, will the game still scare me? I know the game is square http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif but 6 months ago I played HL1 and enjoyed it a lot.



System Shock II is one of the scariest games ever made. Yes I know we have all been desensitized, but I found Doom III boring as hell, while I still find SS2 freaky. You'll just have to play it. (also remember it's not just a mindless shooter like D3, it's a FPS/RPG)

Make sure to download the "System Shock II Rebirth" mod (which remakes most of the models in hipoly) and pick up the hires texture pack while you're at it.

Gryph
04-18-2005, 01:14 PM
Make sure the refresh rate is at 60 otherwise the speed in the game will be weird. When you move it feels like your gaining a lot of momentum. And yes, SS2 is an awesome game, definitely in my Top 5 of all time.

Cerberus_e
04-18-2005, 01:26 PM
Hudson said:
System Shock II is my favorite game ever made. I can play it just fine in WinXP (even multiplayer). Just takes a bit of tweaking.

If you're having problems, check out this FAQ and make sure to get the "XPFixed" .exe off the net (or it may be linked in the thread)

http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69958


something less important: this is 2005, will the game still scare me? I know the game is square http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif but 6 months ago I played HL1 and enjoyed it a lot.



System Shock II is one of the scariest games ever made. Yes I know we have all been desensitized, but I found Doom III boring as hell, while I still find SS2 freaky. You'll just have to play it. (also remember it's not just a mindless shooter like D3, it's a FPS/RPG)

Make sure to download the "System Shock II Rebirth" mod (which remakes most of the models in hipoly) and pick up the hires texture pack while you're at it.



that fix asks for a Cd, but I'm playing the demo and don't have a CD http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Damien_Azreal
04-18-2005, 01:30 PM
I just want a copy of the game. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Cerberus_e
04-18-2005, 01:55 PM
it works now, yes http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif but I don't have time to play now...
edit: I don't know how i did it, there are probably different 10 patches at the same time done on my SS2 folder, hah, don't know which patches work and which are useless, but I'm not going to test it out, it works now and I'll keep it like that http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Claws
04-18-2005, 02:29 PM
Why are you playing the demo? Just go buy the damn thing! It's practically the greatest game ever!

Hudson
04-18-2005, 03:01 PM
For those of you who get SS2 working (full retail patched version) and would like to coop with me just let me know http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Hudson
04-18-2005, 03:02 PM
Claws said:
Why are you playing the demo? Just go buy the damn thing! It's practically the greatest game ever!



I agreed 100% (in fact IMO it is the greatest game ever http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif )

As I stated before it's my favorite game ever made.

Duoae
04-18-2005, 03:09 PM
Hudson said:

Claws said:
Why are you playing the demo? Just go buy the damn thing! It's practically the greatest game ever!



I agreed 100%

As I stated before it's my favorite game ever made.



Yeah i love it too. I got right near the end, but i hadn't saved it for a long while and i died (i'm talking like 6 hours..... DAMNIT! I haven't been able to go back to it since....

Sir Lemonhead
04-18-2005, 03:15 PM
I still haven't played this properly.. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Hudson
04-18-2005, 03:23 PM
Duoae said:

Hudson said:

Claws said:
Why are you playing the demo? Just go buy the damn thing! It's practically the greatest game ever!



I agreed 100%

As I stated before it's my favorite game ever made.



Yeah i love it too. I got right near the end, but i hadn't saved it for a long while and i died (i'm talking like 6 hours..... DAMNIT! I haven't been able to go back to it since....



Haha, I can't even tell you how many times I have played through the game. It just kicks that much ass http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

December Man
04-18-2005, 04:09 PM
Is it? Since The Suffering I have been looking for great scary games... If SS2 is such a game that can scare the hell out of me, than I HAVE to get it somewhere...

Claws
04-18-2005, 04:15 PM
You probably won't find it anywhere on sale, except maybe ebay... Although I don't think anyone is dumb enough to actually sell their copy.

Once you do find it, you HAVE to install the following mods:

- SHTUP texture pack, this upgrades all the game's textures to make it look good by today's standards. This one doesn't detract from the game at all, all the textures are very close to the originals except they look much better.

- Rebirth, this replaces most of the original enemy models with updated higher-poly models. Some people prefer the old models though and think the new models detract from the experience because they aren't as scary. You can compare for yourself here:
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/etienne.aubert/sshock/ssr_screenshots.htm

Those mods can be found here:
http://www.sshock2.com/

You will also need to apply a couple of patches, one to disable hyperthreading support for SS2, since it doesn't support it. Another patch replaces one of the maps or something that causes the game to crash. However, before you get to that you need to install the official patch!

Official patch: http://www.irrationalgames.com/shock2/default.cfm

The patches and FAQs can be found in the link posted earlier in this thread, but here it is again anyway:
http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69958

Damien_Azreal
04-18-2005, 04:43 PM
Claws said:
Why are you playing the demo? Just go buy the damn thing! It's practically the greatest game ever!




First off, it's very hard to find a retail version for sale. And secondly the ones I've foudn have been over 65 to 70 bucks. And I'm talking CD jewel, no manual and no box.

Claws
04-18-2005, 05:42 PM
Well if you're too cheap to cough up the dough, just download it. Although I wouldn't approve of such actions.

Agulf
04-19-2005, 12:45 AM
If you get it to work, considder these mods/patches:

Rebirth (Enhanced Models) (http://perso.wanadoo.fr/etienne.aubert/sshock/sshock_rebirth.htm)

Shock Texture Upgrade Project (http://shtup.home.att.net/)

on a sidenote, theres a little magic command you should try out if the game doessnt work, wich is probably stated in the previously posted ttlg forum link:
in cam.cfg, add the line
safe_texture_manager
might just work. Oh yeah, and for those with Geforce MX 440ish cards, be sure to get the latest drivers from nvidia, since the game will have teared grafics otherwise if you are using the old drivers with directx 9.x.

// yeah I know. Sloppy reading from my side, stated in previous post already - but I had like 2 minutes to read through untill I had to head for school ^^

Geir
04-19-2005, 04:29 AM
I can't read it (if there is an error box even), but when pressing escape the game quits.




insted of pressing the escape key, press the windows key, you will then see your error

Cerberus_e
04-19-2005, 05:01 AM
thanks for all replies, the game is already patched but I won't use texture and model packs, because I like to play games at original state, no mods or whatever.
especially at first time through.
you will for example NEVER see me using mods for unlimited aux power in HL2.
and if you have hi-res textures and hi-poly models in a low-poly environment (the rooms etc...) it looks really weird, think of counterstrike source.
counterstrike looks good, but cs: source... I just hate that look.
and considering I didn't have a problem with HL 6 months ago, I won't have a problem with SS2 now.
and I can still live with doom's look (altough I haven't played the game until 3 months ago! never of my life I played it earlier, except one time at someone else's house I played doom or doom 2, but that's only 1-2 years before)
I can still live with wolfenstein 3d's look, but that's probably because I played spear of destiny in my childhood (when I was 5-6 years)

Jokke_r
04-19-2005, 08:50 AM
hated it, never really got into it, played the first 30mins but then i'm attacked by an infinite swarm of enemies and i have no ***** clue what i'm supposed to do and even if i did i couldn't do it cos i had an endless amount of hybrids on my ass which weren't scary at all cos they were simply bash once or twice with the wrench and they died. I Mean WTF who the hell designed this game, it's not fun at all i don't want endless amount of stupid easy enemies i want piece and quiet so i can figure out what the ***** i'm supposed to do. AARRRGH, frustration

Cerberus_e
04-19-2005, 09:22 AM
Jokke_r said:
hated it, never really got into it, played the first 30mins but then i'm attacked by an infinite swarm of enemies and i have no ***** clue what i'm supposed to do and even if i did i couldn't do it cos i had an endless amount of hybrids on my ass which weren't scary at all cos they were simply bash once or twice with the wrench and they died. I Mean WTF who the hell designed this game, it's not fun at all i don't want endless amount of stupid easy enemies i want piece and quiet so i can figure out what the ***** i'm supposed to do. AARRRGH, frustration



you only played 30 min, so I don't listen to your opinion.
and you were the one with his preconceptions in the DNF forum (how long will it take to load... thread), right, so I twice don't listen to your opinion http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

edit: thanks for spoiling the game, now I know the first thing that will happen will be 30 minutes in the game and that I will be attacked by infinite swarms of enemies.
tell me a game you plan to play in the near future for the first time and I'll PM you with a spoiler.

Duoae
04-19-2005, 09:28 AM
Nope, that's not what happens 30 minutes in... he just tripped the alarm - that's what spawns lots of enemies. You can turn it off at certain terminals (you can hack them) and others that are just switches....

Hudson
04-19-2005, 09:41 AM
Duoae said:
Nope, that's not what happens 30 minutes in... he just tripped the alarm - that's what spawns lots of enemies. You can turn it off at certain terminals (you can hack them) and others that are just switches....



Yeah, don't listen to Jokke_r. Like Duoae said he just tripped the alarm. Just hack the camera terminal (or just shoot the camera and blow it up http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif)

Cerberus_e
04-19-2005, 09:50 AM
hacking?
wonder how that will work.
I don't think the average gamer knows unix commands http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif I know some but I think it will be pretty useless in a computer game http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

do I have to read that in the manual or will I figure out?
(don't tell me how it works, but, is hacking a requirement? I mean can you beat it without hacking, hope it's necessary)

Jokke_r
04-19-2005, 10:02 AM
it's just a stupid connect 3 dots kind of game where some dots don't work

Hudson
04-19-2005, 10:04 AM
Cerberus_e said:
hacking?
wonder how that will work.
I don't think the average gamer knows unix commands http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif I know some but I think it will be pretty useless in a computer game http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

do I have to read that in the manual or will I figure out?
(don't tell me how it works, but, is hacking a requirement? I mean can you beat it without hacking, hope it's necessary)



I'll just tell you what it goes through when you play the training in the beginning of the game before you choose your service branch.

It's a simplified form of "hacking". You basically use nanites (the currency in SS2) to perform a move (clicking on a node). Once you sucessfully connect three nodes the door unlocks. How sucessful you are, and how many times it takes you to get it right depends on your skill level.

But yeah, before you choose a career make sure to check out all of the training areas. If you don't understand it the first time, you can just go back through it again (and as many times as you want). You should get the hang of it pretty quickly, it's not difficult.

Hudson
04-19-2005, 10:08 AM
Jokke_r said:
it's just a stupid connect 3 dots kind of game where some dots don't work



Jokke_r seriously, you have already made it clear that you haven't played more than thirty minutes of the game and could care less about it. Other people are interested in it, so why don't you just let them play it for themselves?

Jokke_r
04-19-2005, 10:44 AM
oh i have played more than 30 minutes of it, it's just that up untill that point the game actually has a chance of being something cool unstead of annoying and confusing

Claws
04-19-2005, 10:51 AM
Stick to the other SS then. Serious Sam that is.

Cerberus_e
04-19-2005, 10:58 AM
I have never seen SS1, is that a shame, or have I seen enough when seeing SS2?

can someone resume the story of SS1 including the ending, so I know where SS2 begins.

Drazula
04-19-2005, 11:05 AM
At this late date System Shock would be a letdown. It's just too old. SS2 on the other hand, should be good for some scares.

And you should be able to find it at the bottom of most bargain bins.

Hudson
04-19-2005, 11:55 AM
Cerberus_e said:
I have never seen SS1, is that a shame, or have I seen enough when seeing SS2?

can someone resume the story of SS1 including the ending, so I know where SS2 begins.



If you watch the opening video for System Shock II it will get you up to speed enough to understand what is going on (it shortly explains the ending of the first one).

While you play System Shock II you'll see various homages to the original (like "Remember Citadel!" smeared on the wall in blood). Citadel Station was TriOptimum Corp's space station in the original System Shock where Shodan first when berzerk and caused all hell to break loose.

While the original System Shock is extremely aged, I still play it from time to time. Brings back great memories from when I played it to death years ago http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Duoae
04-19-2005, 01:12 PM
I never played or owned Sytem Shock.... it's a shame really.

Cerberus_e
04-19-2005, 02:44 PM
Damn I had to learn a lot and make a lot of choices.
the game is much about reading, and my native language is dutch, so that makes progressing really slow.
I don't have problems understanding what all those voices and messages say, but it only takes a while (for example in the training some speeches needed to be relistened over and over, like the telekenetic powers).

it's the first RPG I play, so I'm not used to that sort of gameplay, but it's cool (I'm only at the point where "she" said she had uploaded some abilities or something, and in the room there are a lot of screens explaining how the map works, how the TAB screen works, how the query works to read info about inventory items, ... and there are 4 terminals where I can "buy" abilities of weapons, telekenetic, technical skills, ...)
so I'm not so far, still not en enemy encountered.

and then all those choices.
first choosing your team (I chose navy)
then 3 times choosing between 3 abilities.
wow
but it seems like "that voice" knew from beforehand someone would spread a virus through the ventilation before I entered that training http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

and I still don't get how hacking works, i know you have to connect dots, but the voice says something about red dots are bad, but I managed to hack with using the red dot http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

and about that telekenetic power to attract objects (move them towards you)
sometimes they come to me, sometimes they fall in the middle of their flight http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif how come?
I even managed to let an object go upwards istead of going towards me, I don't know how I did it, tried redoing it, but nothing worked

and also, I didn't notice a difference between how much a telekenetic power is charged, except you loose health if you load it too much

Hudson
04-19-2005, 03:09 PM
Cerberus_e said:
Damn I had to learn a lot and make a lot of choices.
the game is much about reading, and my native language is dutch, so that makes progressing really slow.
I don't have problems understanding what all those voices and messages say, but it only takes a while (for example in the training some speeches needed to be relistened over and over, like the telekenetic powers).



I can see your frustration if English is not your primary language, however all the logs you pick up have text to accompany the voice.


it's the first RPG I play, so I'm not used to that sort of gameplay, but it's cool (I'm only at the point where "she" said she had uploaded some abilities or something, and in the room there are a lot of screens explaining how the map works, how the TAB screen works, how the query works to read info about inventory items, ... and there are 4 terminals where I can "buy" abilities of weapons, telekenetic, technical skills, ...)
so I'm not so far, still not en enemy encountered.



The game gives you time to get used to the controls and interface before throwing a bunch of enemies at you.


and then all those choices.
first choosing your team (I chose navy)
then 3 times choosing between 3 abilities.
wow



The game thrives on choice, even though you build your character throughout the game using cyber modules the ones you earn in the beginning can give you a starting boost.


but it seems like "that voice" knew from beforehand someone would spread a virus through the ventilation before I entered that training http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif



I don't know what you are talking about here, could you explain more?


and I still don't get how hacking works, i know you have to connect dots, but the voice says something about red dots are bad, but I managed to hack with using the red dot http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif



Start a new game and only go through the "Basic" and "Advanced" training simulations (do this as many times as you need to in order to understand) It's really quite simple once you understand it.


and about that telekenetic power to attract objects (move them towards you)
sometimes they come to me, sometimes they fall in the middle of their flight http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif how come?
I even managed to let an object go upwards istead of going towards me, I don't know how I did it, tried redoing it, but nothing worked

and also, I didn't notice a difference between how much a telekenetic power is charged, except you loose health if you load it too much



The amount of force (charge) you use will determine how fast and how far you can attract items using the pull. However you will recieve "burnout" if you overload it. It takes practice however once you get it right it becomes second nature.

Cerberus_e
04-20-2005, 08:51 AM
Hudson said:

but it seems like "that voice" knew from beforehand someone would spread a virus through the ventilation before I entered that training http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif



I don't know what you are talking about here, could you explain more?




at one choice the voice says: here you will have problems with a vius and your .... strength will be better afterwards,
after my year of training the "briefing" said, you were one of the few people that managed to reach a safe place quickly when someone spread a virus through the vents.
it's not "real" they know that terrorism beforehand


Hudson said:

and I still don't get how hacking works, i know you have to connect dots, but the voice says something about red dots are bad, but I managed to hack with using the red dot http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif



Start a new game and only go through the "Basic" and "Advanced" training simulations (do this as many times as you need to in order to understand) It's really quite simple once you understand it.




I did the hacking training already 5 times, it's just connecting 3 bright dots but the red ones are bad.
but I managed to win using a red dot http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif


Hudson said:

and about that telekenetic power to attract objects (move them towards you)
sometimes they come to me, sometimes they fall in the middle of their flight http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif how come?
I even managed to let an object go upwards istead of going towards me, I don't know how I did it, tried redoing it, but nothing worked

and also, I didn't notice a difference between how much a telekenetic power is charged, except you loose health if you load it too much



The amount of force (charge) you use will determine how fast and how far you can attract items using the pull. However you will recieve "burnout" if you overload it. It takes practice however once you get it right it becomes second nature.



but charging more or less doesn't differ in the value of that "bar" you loose? you always loose just one?
you know the blue bar under health bar that stands for telekenetics

Claws
04-20-2005, 11:27 AM
That training exercise where you survive a virus is in another place, not the Von Braun it's just a background story added to create some flavor to choosing your initial stats. It's got nothing to do with the main story. Also, the voice you hear in the training is not the same voice you hear when the game starts aboard the Von Braun.

About hacking, the orange dots have a high probability of destroying the object you are hacking (explosion, a lot of damage), while the normal white dots never destroy the object.
Once the object is destroyed, you can't hack it anymore, although I think you can repair certain objects like vending machines.

About telekenisis, it will use the same amount of psi-points no matter how long you chrage it, as long as you don't overburn.

Cerberus_e
04-20-2005, 12:10 PM
now I get how hacking works.
but the game is VERY hard http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif
there are counters counting down now and then, and sometimes if a counter is done, infinite enemies appear (like jokke_1 said)
sometimes not.
I don't get what's happening.
I hacked a security console and when successfully hacked, the counter went down, when the counter reached zero lots of enemies appeared :O
lots of messages everywhere, audio logs, monitors, ....
I don't have time to read them because counter is counting down and I only know half what to do (hacking security consoles? but then enemies appear)
it isn't going to be like this the whole game, right?
and about thosesavegamers, that take a sample of you, how do they work?

1) like normal savegames
2) they rebuild you exactly like you were when you saved, but the environment is the same as when you were killed, so all objects you picked up before you were killed are lost.

or how?
the game isn't easy when your native language isn't english and you have to read what help monitors say while listening to incoming mails and you have to do it quick because of all those counters.
they should have made the beginning of the game easier.

the whole idea of the game is cool though

EDIT: reading the manual, so only cover the questions that aren't answered there http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif you can answer all too if you want though :d

Hudson
04-20-2005, 01:14 PM
Cerberus_e said:
now I get how hacking works.
but the game is VERY hard http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif
there are counters counting down now and then, and sometimes if a counter is done, infinite enemies appear (like jokke_1 said)
sometimes not.
I don't get what's happening.
I hacked a security console and when successfully hacked, the counter went down, when the counter reached zero lots of enemies appeared :O



It's a lot easier to just destroy the cameras (shoot them, smash them with your wrench, etc.) You might have got swarmed by enemies because once the counter reached zero you were standing near a camera and it detected you.



lots of messages everywhere, audio logs, monitors, ....
I don't have time to read them because counter is counting down and I only know half what to do (hacking security consoles? but then enemies appear)
it isn't going to be like this the whole game, right?



The logs and mails that you get play a huge role in the game (this is not your average shoot everything that moves FPS. It's an RPG with a first person interface). Also, if you are trying to hack a security console and fail, it may set off the alarm.


and about thosesavegamers, that take a sample of you, how do they work?

1) like normal savegames
2) they rebuild you exactly like you were when you saved, but the environment is the same as when you were killed, so all objects you picked up before you were killed are lost.

or how?



You can save the game any time you want manually, and when you use those regeneration machines, if you die you respawn from the machine with everything you had once you originally pressed the button.


the game isn't easy when your native language isn't english and you have to read what help monitors say while listening to incoming mails and you have to do it quick because of all those counters.
they should have made the beginning of the game easier.



The counters aren't there to go off all the time, you're either doing something wrong or are just tripping all of the alarms.

And yes, read the manual http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Cerberus_e
04-20-2005, 01:39 PM
I know this isn't the regular FPS, I like that, I want to try something different. and it appeals me so far, despite the frustrating countdowns.
I have countless audio logs, mails, and info items from monitors unread. I'll read them when I have time (= when there is no time counting down http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif)
the problem is not that I can't work with the interface, the interface is excellent, with all those psi and hack power and money systems blabla.

you think I'm doing something wrong that all those timers go off?
3 things that trigger them so far.
1) by walking somewhere, all of a sudden it appears and the voicemail says I should destroy all security monitors/cameras.
2) by sucessfully hacking a security monitor! a counter went off and when the time depleted, infinite enemies appear.
3) by liking the game
everytime I think: "this game is good", a timer starts http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Ras
04-20-2005, 02:20 PM
I believe I've got the original SS in one of the budget rerelease versions, but I never played it. I think the mouse control was too insensitive for me, or something. If it will work on my computer, I need to try it again. I also have SS2 and never played it beyond the training mission or so. With the praise in this thread, I need to try them both.

Cerberus_e
04-20-2005, 03:01 PM
you NEED to try it out.
the game is really good, but not scary.
or will it become scarier? (of course don't give out spoilers by giving examples of scary moments http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif)
from now on I like RPG's.
doom 3 sucks now http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
ok just kidding.

figured the whole thing about countdowns out.
the whole explanation was in audio logs and in "help" items on the monitors which are downloaded to your PDA.
I just didn't have time to read it, because of the countdowns http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
after all, the countdowns did something good, I have such red hybrid organs now. which increases the damage to hybrids with 25% (I have two of them, how much damage does it do more to them now? 25%, 50% or 56.25%?
but it's weird I got to a chemical storage with all atoms like antimony etc... stored which can be used for research, and I didn't need them... did I miss an object? maybe I will need to backtrack once I find a unresearched object in the new level I'm now (backtracking to the previous level with that storage room), I'll just see

I really like the gameplay elements you get from an RPG (I don't know if I should speak so "in general", because this is the only RPG I've played, but I think I won't like an RPG if it isn't mixed with FPS elements. (maybe I'll appreciate s.t.a.l.k.e.r? if I can run it).
one example of gameplay element is the inventory.
you have to select what you will keep in your inventory and what not.
for me I already did an easy choice: throwing the 2 plants away I collected http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif totally useless http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif or not?
liquor and stuff is also useless, you gain health but loose psi points.
another example of working tactical: picking every gun up you already have, unloading the ammo, and then throwing it away http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
the dillema's: what should I buy? at the screens where you can buy powers with your cybernetic modules, are cool too, but i think theycost a little too much, or is that an illusion? the tier only costs 10 modules, and the highest costs 75.
and you NEED to buy it in order to be able to buy psi powers (or am I wrong?)
and the modules are so few, I only found 10 so far, and I'm at the beginning of the medical level (the second level after being done with your 3 years of training, the second level which has enemies thus)

it is indeed the best game ever created (my impressing so far).

Hudson
04-20-2005, 03:47 PM
Well, it's a good thing you figured out the deal with the alarms and countdowns. Honestly I would just shoot/destroy all the cameras you see (they give a warning beep when they first see you, before setting off the alarms).

You get many more cyber modules throughout the course of the game (the game is huge), and it's all about choice. Trial and error. If you're unsure about something, save the game before you spend them.. check out a few abilities and if you don't like them just reload your save.

You gain research software throughout the the game (getting higher versions) and once you research it you'll have to backtrack to chemical storage rooms to get the chemicals you need to find out what it is and what it does.

You have to buy the first "tier" in each Psi catagory to access the abilities associated in that section.

And yes, the game does get a lot scarier through the course of the game (it's hard to explain without spoiling it, so i'll let you see them for yourself). To enhance this effect, make sure to play in a dark room with the sound up http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif


throwing the 2 plants away I collected http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif totally useless http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif or not?



All i'm going to say is keep an eye out for the "Recycler" item http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Hudson
04-20-2005, 03:53 PM
Ras said:
I believe I've got the original SS in one of the budget rerelease versions, but I never played it. I think the mouse control was too insensitive for me, or something. If it will work on my computer, I need to try it again. I also have SS2 and never played it beyond the training mission or so. With the praise in this thread, I need to try them both.



I have two copies of the original System Shock. One I keep as a collectors item (:o) and the other I use to play (the CD digital audio version). It's aged, however I still play it every so often. One of the best, underrated games ever made IMO.

As for System Shock 2.. Yeah I highly suggest playing it http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I love how they added the "GamePig". Playing games inside a game.. that's awesome http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Ras
04-20-2005, 04:16 PM
Can you play SS on XP? I just tried to run it, and the CD version dropped me to the desktop with some kind of COM2 error. The regular version dropped me with a message that I needed to free up some memory.

Hudson
04-20-2005, 05:06 PM
Ras said:
Can you play SS on XP? I just tried to run it, and the CD version dropped me to the desktop with some kind of COM2 error. The regular version dropped me with a message that I needed to free up some memory.



I run it through DOSBox (http://dosbox.sourceforge.net/)

I run Blood through it as well http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Ras
04-20-2005, 08:40 PM
I can run Blood okay in straight XP (using the Deathmask instructions), but I'll try DOSBox with SS. Thanks.

Damien_Azreal
04-20-2005, 10:10 PM
Hudson said:

Ras said:
Can you play SS on XP? I just tried to run it, and the CD version dropped me to the desktop with some kind of COM2 error. The regular version dropped me with a message that I needed to free up some memory.



I run it through DOSBox (http://dosbox.sourceforge.net/)

I run Blood through it as well http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif



:Off topic:

Hudson, does Blood run well through DOSbox? Do you get the cutscenes and everything?
I'm running OUWB with Deathmask's instructions and I miss the movies.

By the way, SS2 very cool. Not very far though... but it seems very nice so far. Nice and moody. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Hudson
04-20-2005, 10:20 PM
Damien_Azreal said:

:Off topic:

Hudson, does Blood run well through DOSbox? Do you get the cutscenes and everything?
I'm running OUWB with Deathmask's instructions and I miss the movies.



It runs perfectly for me http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif


By the way, SS2 very cool. Not very far though... but it seems very nice so far. Nice and moody. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif



It only gets better my friend http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif I don't call it the best game ever made for no reason http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Damien_Azreal
04-20-2005, 10:26 PM
Hudson said:
It runs perfectly for me http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif



Kick ass, I may try Blood tomorrow with DOSbox. I love those movies. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif


Hudson said:
It only gets better my friend http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif I don't call it the best game ever made for no reason http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif



And I havn't donwloaded the texture pakcs or high-poly models yet. Getting used to it first... but so far I like. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif


Hud, I tried PM you to let you know I got SS2 running. But your inbox is full.

Hudson
04-20-2005, 11:05 PM
I'll have to delete some stuff, PM me though and let me know how you got it to work http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Cerberus_e
04-21-2005, 04:30 AM
I thought you couldn't find a copy damien? cool you found one, the game rocks

Damien_Azreal
04-21-2005, 08:26 AM
Cerberus_e said:
I thought you couldn't find a copy damien? cool you found one, the game rocks



Hudson helped me to find a copy and get it going in XP.

Cerberus_e
04-21-2005, 02:29 PM
I'm now about to enter that "vent" after receiving the door access code.
I was planning to read further in the manual, but I'll print it out, because I'm too excited to read the prey review now http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
I have some new, and unanswered questions, please have mercy for someone that wants to enjoy the most fun game ever to the fullest (not even exagerating! the game is FUN, and scary, especially when backtracking, because there are always new monsters spawned):

1) about researching objects
1a) if you collect more than one researched object, to do 25% more damage to monkeys or hybrids, do they stack up, or does the 25% stay the same? I didn't notice difference, even not with and without such "thing".
1b) it counts for hand-tohand AND shooting right?

2) if I repair a gun, the number says "2". what if I want a higher number, for example 10 (the max)?
do I need more maintenance skill, more modifying skill, or more repair skill?

3) sometimes when picking up for example "research software level 1". it is picked up, but it says: software not installed http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif the hacking software could be installed though, anyone has an explanation?

4) about OS upgrades
4a) there is so few place on your MFD windows for OS upgrades, onle one line, and a big square of room is taken for an OS upgrade.
4b) you cannot use an OS upgrade machine twice, but can you choose twice the same upgrade? now I have chosen 8 extra modules, can I choose the same next time?

don't tell me if it was a good choice or not, it's me that plays the game, not you http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif the questions I asked now are only "how the game works", I don't ask for strategy (because I want to play the game myself)

again the game is GOOD GOOD GOOD http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif best game ever.
I don't regret for not knowing about this game back in 1999, I wouldn't understand all the english (first year english was in schoolyear 2001-2002, now it's my 4th year and I understand english well now, one year or more early and the game would frustrate me, some years later and the tech would be TOO outdated, now it's acceptable and still scares me, because some enemies come through walls http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif like turrets)

Claws
04-21-2005, 02:59 PM
1) Research objects don't stack up the benefits. Actually once you're done researching the object, just throw it away, you don't need to keep it to gain the benefit. The knowledge is in your head. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Unless it's an object that must be equipped ofcourse.

2) Higher maintenance skill is what you need.

3) If your skill is already higher than the software, then it is redundant and won't be installed.

4) You will have a max of 4 OS upgrades, assuming you find them. You can't install the same one twice.

Cerberus_e
04-21-2005, 03:20 PM
thanks, all i needed to know

Hudson
04-21-2005, 04:01 PM
Cerberus_e said:
1) about researching objects
1a) if you collect more than one researched object, to do 25% more damage to monkeys or hybrids, do they stack up, or does the 25% stay the same? I didn't notice difference, even not with and without such "thing".
1b) it counts for hand-tohand AND shooting right?



It will always stay the same, you cannot research it more to gain 50% or anything. Once you research and learn about the item you may throw it away, as the information is stored in your MFD. It counts for all melee, psi and projectile weapons.


2) if I repair a gun, the number says "2". what if I want a higher number, for example 10 (the max)?
do I need more maintenance skill, more modifying skill, or more repair skill?



You can find disposable maintance tools laying around (or buy them from the vending machines, however if you want to do it manually work on getting a higher maintance skill. The modify skill will let your weapons do more damage, and hold more rounds, and the repair skill will allow you to "unjam" weapons.


3) sometimes when picking up for example "research software level 1". it is picked up, but it says: software not installed http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif the hacking software could be installed though, anyone has an explanation?



The message you are getting is "redundant software not installed" because you must already have the current version. Look for a higher version of the software to install. (you can also find these in some vending machines)


4) about OS upgrades
4a) there is so few place on your MFD windows for OS upgrades, onle one line, and a big square of room is taken for an OS upgrade.
4b) you cannot use an OS upgrade machine twice, but can you choose twice the same upgrade? now I have chosen 8 extra modules, can I choose the same next time?



Claws already explained this well.

After you play through and beat the game, if you want to play through it again I do suggest getting the SHTUP texture pack and the Rebirth model kit. Not only do they make the game more "pretty" but the new models add a lot of atmosphere.

As I said before I have played through this game many, many times so I usually use the original models, and then the extra packs every other time I play through.

Claws
04-21-2005, 11:03 PM
There is absolutely no reason why you shouldn't be using SHTUP. Rebirth mod is debatable on the other hand.

Now I have a question... In my current playthrough I somehow didn't pick up the laser gun in deck 1 (engineering) when I came across it and told myself I'd come back to pick it up later... Now I can't remember where I found it, can you guys help me out? It's somewhere in Deck1 I know that, but where EXACTLY?

Cerberus_e
04-22-2005, 05:01 AM
but isn't research soft 1 automatically instanned at the beginning of the game?
btw: hacking software 1 COULD install and I had already 2 hacking skills.
how weird...
and what are the 4 buttons under the tech tab then? they say software provides more skill but doesn't help meeting minimum skill requirement

Hudson
04-22-2005, 09:14 AM
Claws said:
There is absolutely no reason why you shouldn't be using SHTUP. Rebirth mod is debatable on the other hand.



I agree.


Now I have a question... In my current playthrough I somehow didn't pick up the laser gun in deck 1 (engineering) when I came across it and told myself I'd come back to pick it up later... Now I can't remember where I found it, can you guys help me out? It's somewhere in Deck1 I know that, but where EXACTLY?



The broken laser pistol is in cargo bay 2, sector B.

Hudson
04-22-2005, 09:17 AM
Cerberus_e said:
but isn't research soft 1 automatically instanned at the beginning of the game?
btw: hacking software 1 COULD install and I had already 2 hacking skills.
how weird...



It also depends on which "tour of duty" you chose in the beginning of the game before you go into the main game. Despite your "skills" the software just gives you a higher % chance of being sucessful.


and what are the 4 buttons under the tech tab then? they say software provides more skill but doesn't help meeting minimum skill requirement



Read above. (if I am understanding you correctly)

Cerberus_e
04-22-2005, 10:40 AM
yes but it doesn't say what's installed and what not, it only says there are 4 type software.
and, another question, if you have activated a psi thing, how to deactivate it (in order to save psi points)

and for example in tear 3, are there 3 psi points consumed at the same time then (the manual says so).
but on the other hand it also says energy reflrction (for example) 20 seconds per psi, do I have to read that as 20 seconds per 3 psi?

Hudson
04-22-2005, 12:05 PM
Cerberus_e said:
yes but it doesn't say what's installed and what not, it only says there are 4 type software.



Open your MFD (Multi Function Display) and click on the "Tech" tab. Underneath your skill levels it will tell you the current version of the software you have installed.


and, another question, if you have activated a psi thing, how to deactivate it (in order to save psi points)



You only use Psi points when you activate a feature. Once you activate it, you won't continue to lose points.. they're only used once per activation. You can't turn them off (no real reason to).


and for example in tear 3, are there 3 psi points consumed at the same time then (the manual says so).
but on the other hand it also says energy reflrction (for example) 20 seconds per psi, do I have to read that as 20 seconds per 3 psi?



It means once you activate it, it will last for twenty seconds before you need to activate it again.

Cerberus_e
04-22-2005, 12:14 PM
huh?
some psi power run for "20 seconds + 10 seconds per PSI".
then you loose psi points every 10 seconds until you reach zero.
that's why I ask how to turn off.
and on the tech tab it only says something about software does not help to reach minimum skill levels, but it doesn't say what's installed

Hudson
04-22-2005, 12:27 PM
Cerberus_e said:
huh?
some psi power run for "20 seconds + 10 seconds per PSI".
then you loose psi points every 10 seconds until you reach zero.
that's why I ask how to turn off.



What that means is how long you "charge" the feature before you activate it. The longer you charge, the longer the effect lasts and the more Psi points you lose.

It won't continue to drain your Psi until it reaches zero.


and on the tech tab it only says something about software does not help to reach minimum skill levels, but it doesn't say what's installed



Yes it does, it has a number on each one. The number is the version of the software you have installed.

Claws
04-22-2005, 12:28 PM
There is a number on those pictures of the "plugs" under the tech tab. The number indicates the level of software installed.

Cerberus_e
04-22-2005, 12:32 PM
ah now I get it, they are just extras, but not extra enough for minimum skill requirements?

Hudson
04-22-2005, 12:35 PM
Cerberus_e said:
ah now I get it, they are just extras, but not extra enough for minimum skill requirements?



Yes, as it says they provide a bonus to your current skills, however they do not help with meeting the minimum skill requirements.

Cerberus_e
04-22-2005, 02:09 PM
while I like the game, here is my first complaint:
RESPAWNS! I hate it, they stop me from enjoying the game, I can't play minigames, I can't read pda's carefully, I cannot repair guns, arrange my inventory, picking up guns of others, unloading it's ammo, and throwing the gun back away.
after that is done a new enemy respawn and i can repeat the unloading process.
that's so frustrating.
it also stops me from backtracking to the chemicals room because I know I will encounter lots of enemies.

Hudson
04-22-2005, 02:15 PM
You know, there are "safe zones" where you can just chill by yourself. I have never had a problem with the respawning.

Would you rather have a ship completely void of any enemies?

Also, considering you are running it on XP.. you do have the latest patch installed right? (i.e. have the multiplayer option)

[Edit]: There is a wealth of information that can be found here (http://www.sshock2.com/datanode/index.htm)

Also, if you want to minimize respawning, here are the instructions provided by the "Readme_p.wri" included in your System Shock II directory:

"Configuration Information:

- The Configuration File

Create a notepad document called "user.cfg". All the configuration variables listed in the readme should be added to the user.cfg (unless otherwise noted) exactly as written, each on a line of its own.

Note: Because of the way the user.bnd file generated by the game is formatted, you may encounter problems if you edit this file using Windows Notepad. If you save this file from Notepad, you will have to re-open it and manually add new line feeds between each line. An easier method is to use the DOS Edit program (or other similar text editor programs). DOS Edit can be started from a MS-DOS prompt or by using the Run command from your Windows start menu.

The following unsupported configuration variables have been added to the single player game:

- Monster Spawning

If you've killed everything in a given area, and you wait around long enough, you'll notice that more monsters are spawned to keep you busy. To minimize respawning, use the configuration variable:

no_spawn

System Shock 2's ecologies look at how many monsters are in a given area. If a defined minimum number of monsters are present, there is a chance that a new monster will spawn. The variable:

lower_spawn_min <n>
reduces the defined minimum monster count on all ecologies by <n>.

raise_spawn_rand <n>
lowers the chance of a monster randomly spawning by changing the random chance from 1/i to 1/(i+<n>).

- Gun degradation

The config variable:

gun_degrade_rate <n>
is a multiplier for the rate at which your weapons degrade. For example, to completely eliminate weapon degradation & breakage, set the value to 0. To tone it down, set it somewhere between 1 and 0.

- Quick-save and Auto-Save overwrite

System Shock 2's quick-save and quick-load system uses the same save-slot as the autosave system. This slot is also used by the regular save/load system. So quick-saved games are often overwritten by other games (for example, whenever you change a level or load a different save game). In order to avoid this problem, you can rebind the quick-save and load keys (alt-S and alt-L) to save to a different save-slot. For example, to save to slot 10 instead, add the following lines to your user.bnd file:

bind s+alt "shk_save_game 10"
bind l+alt "shk_load_game 10"

Using slot 10 to make regular saves will now, of course, over-write your quick-saves, but making level transitions will not."

Cerberus_e
04-22-2005, 02:26 PM
why should I have the latest patch installed?
I have 2.03
multiplayer available.
why?

and the respawning happens too frequent.
sometimes after 15 seconds.
why even bother shooting security monitors? they come to you anyway http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Hudson
04-22-2005, 02:43 PM
Read my edited post. (however I don't suggest you messing with it if you don't know what you're doing. If you have trouble, I will edit it for you and attach it to a post)

You should shoot security monitors because otherwise you will get flooded with enemies.

Cerberus_e
04-22-2005, 02:48 PM
yes, but if I even don't like installing high-res texture packs on my first time through, then I won't for sure cheat on my first time through http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Hudson
04-22-2005, 02:50 PM
Then you'll just have to make due with the respawning, I was only trying to help. If you need any other help/advice don't be afraid to ask http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Duoae
04-22-2005, 03:14 PM
Strange, i don't remember having a problem with respawning enemies.... i kept off of the security grid as much as possible i guess......

Cerberus_e
04-22-2005, 03:16 PM
but I'm in the engineering, you know the infinite tunnels...
there the respawning is really bad, I didn't have a problem with respawning earlier in the game

Duoae
04-22-2005, 03:37 PM
Is that the bit with all the radiation zones? Yeah, i just went into the storerooms. Wasn't that much trouble.

Cerberus_e
04-22-2005, 03:49 PM
no, it's engineering B. with all those tunnels, and warehouses of 3 storeys everywhere full of robots
I have too few ammo, altough I didn't overuse, I took care of my ammunition.
so shooting mosters doesn't make sense, it consumes ammo and they respawn anyway, those robots appear a lot out of their boxes, damn things.
the game is so tough due all those respawns that it isn't enjoyable anymore.
long live the not-respawning http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
cheating is not an option.

Wamplet
04-22-2005, 05:18 PM
I just won an ebay auction for System Shock 1 and just ordered System Shock 2 online.

\o

I just need to dust off my old computer now. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Hudson
04-22-2005, 05:29 PM
Wamplet said:
I just won an ebay auction for System Shock 1 and just ordered System Shock 2 online.

\o

I just need to dust off my old computer now. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif



Haha, kickass you got a copy \o/

You can run System Shock (the original) just fine through DOSBox, and if you follow the instructions on the TTLG Forum thread about how to get it working in XP you shouldn't have any problems. (It works flawlessly on mine, even movies and multiplayer).

[Edit]: I think I just started another cult following http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Wamplet
04-22-2005, 05:38 PM
Forgot to mention, the site i found SS2 for sale was this one:

http://www.gameswarehouse.com.au/

Someone was kind enough to post a link on the TTLG forums on where to buy it.

I was really hoping to just buy a complete boxed retail set on ebay, but the 2 auctions I was watching required Paypal. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

I really regretted not buying and playing the Thief series when it was originally out. I think the same will be said for this one as soon as I play them.

I printed out some of the stuff on their forums on how to run it through XP. I may just run it on my old computer, though. I spent a lot of time fixing the damn thing up so i could complete Quest for Glory 4 and 5, so I'll probably go the lazy route and just use the old computer. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Ruger
04-22-2005, 06:36 PM
I played through System Shock 2 twice, once when it was new, and once last summer with the high res texture pack and the rebirth models.

Only ever played the demo of System Shock 1 though. You think it's really worth picking up after all this time?

Even when that game was new, I remember being rather shocked at how awful the graphics were. I just was hooked in by all the voice acting, which you didn't see much of in games back then.

:Pondering:

Wamplet
04-22-2005, 06:39 PM
I only played the demo to System Shock 1 and gave up because my system was too crappy to run it at the time. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

Damien_Azreal
04-22-2005, 07:40 PM
Wamplet, thank you!! Now I can have my own copy! I've been playing a friends copy... and he keeps coming over and taking it back. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Now with this link... I shall own my own copy!!Thank you. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Wamplet
04-22-2005, 08:00 PM
I didn't see System Shock 1 on there, but there is currently a guy on Ebay that has about 5000 budget CDs for sale. Some are in lots and some are just singles. He has tons of System Shock 1 CDs for sale for about 9.99 gold for starting price and a buy it now option for 12.99 i think.

Damien_Azreal
04-22-2005, 09:01 PM
Kick ass Wamp, I'll check that out later on this weekend.

I love SS2, what I've played of it so far... mostly just the demo a few times and a few levels in the full game. But my friend took it away again. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

Travis
04-23-2005, 09:02 AM
I played it for the first time justtt thennn. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
My *only* gripe is that the zombies are...blocky...so far. I read a review saying the zombies were blocky, and that was when it came out. They're very angular, but it did startled me when I walked out of a door and one jumped out at me.

Nice change to have some much to take in, in an FPSish game. There were quite a lot of things to take care of so it can get daunting until you get the hang of it.

Cerberus_e
04-23-2005, 10:09 AM
good news, I'm past the engineering, (translation: I'm past the respawn zone)
the game rocks again now, I just restored power to the elevator, now I'm on floor 3.
encountered a new type of enemy, one that shoots green things (when going through a long tunnel, some sort of "cellar" under the engineering-first floor)
it's like they are better vulnerable to normal shells than anti-personnel shells? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif
so then armor piercing shells are best for them?

edit: my complaint of too much respawns is gone, after all it was adrenaline-rushing, especially that 3-storey warehouse in engineering B with lots of self-exploding-robots in their packages http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif
it's only for that area so it's not a real complaint.
new complaint: AI breaks.
they always lose track of you in such easy environments (attached)

in A they just can't find me.
in B that happened when a security alarm was off, I just had to wait 2 minutes until time was out, while doing nothing, because the hybrid couldn't find me, so no new hybrids spawned. I played a bit of swinesweeper while waiting, cool game. in B the hybrid was walking around the corner and back, around the corner, back, ...

Cerberus_e
04-23-2005, 11:10 AM
about the spatially aware os upgrade, is there wa way to see where you have been and not been?
something good about the map now is that you can see where you haven't been (a door with nothing after it means I haven't been there), but when installing spatially aware, I won't be able to see it anymore? or are the sectors where you haven't been marked in a different color? or what

Cerberus_e
04-23-2005, 12:03 PM
and is it normal that I still haven't encountered a recycler (I'm at the beginning of floor 3 on the von braum after restoring power to the elevator)? I can't wait to free my inventory of all those potted plants I collected http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

PS: don't answer the spatially aware question, figured it out myself.

Damien_Azreal
04-23-2005, 05:57 PM
Thanks to Hudson and Cerberus_e my complete attention has been put onto this game. So I've done some digging...I found my old issue of PC Gamer that had hte SS2 review in it.

October 1999: 95%
Highs: Incredibly detailed story; great atmosphere; terrifying gameplay.
Lows: Long load times; difficult at times; steep system requirements.
Bottom Line: One of the most immersive, emotive, addictive, and just plain fun computer games we've ever played.

Why didn't I buy the game when I first read this? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif

Anywho... does anyone know of any gameplay trailers or anyhtign out there?


And thanks Wamp, I'm seriously looking into a copy of System Shock.

Claws
04-23-2005, 11:32 PM
Lows: Long load times; difficult at times; steep system requirements.




Ha ha! All these "lows" are negligible on modern PCs.

Cerberus_e
04-24-2005, 04:08 AM
happy birthday (23).

what the review says is indeed true, altough the story is a bit confusing at times, all names are similar and the relationships between various people are complicated, and there are lots, lots and LOTS of audio logs.
the story is good though, I only get the story now.
since I finished reading the manual.
I probably have lost some early story elements because I didn't understand the world of SS2 when starting the game, since I didn't read the manual then.
could be that the story isn't that far yet, I don't know how far I am into the game, and don't want to know.
loading times is 3 seconds for me http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif on my 2.6 ghz

Damien_Azreal
04-24-2005, 09:06 AM
I thought that was funny as well, the lows back then are not even a problem now. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

That would bump the game up to about a 98%. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Cerberus_e
04-24-2005, 10:23 AM
I have only 2 downs:
1) bad AI
2) repititiveness, especially those worms and bees in their eggs

Hudson
04-24-2005, 04:33 PM
Travis said:
My *only* gripe is that the zombies are...blocky...so far. I read a review saying the zombies were blocky, and that was when it came out. They're very angular, but it did startled me when I walked out of a door and one jumped out at me.



You have to remember the age of this game, at the time of release it required somewhat steep system requirements.. tacking on hundreds of extra polys on every entity would have only made it harder to sell the game. They really pushed the Dark engine to it's limits with this title. If you want the hipoly enemies, etc. download the Rebirth pack (it goes quite well with the SHUTP mod as well http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif )


Cerberus_e said:
encountered a new type of enemy, one that shoots green things (when going through a long tunnel, some sort of "cellar" under the engineering-first floor)
it's like they are better vulnerable to normal shells than anti-personnel shells? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif
so then armor piercing shells are best for them?



Tis the Midwife http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif Certain ammo types work best for different enemies. Researching will sometimes help you determine which.


new complaint: AI breaks.
they always lose track of you in such easy environments

in A they just can't find me.
in B that happened when a security alarm was off, I just had to wait 2 minutes until time was out, while doing nothing, because the hybrid couldn't find me, so no new hybrids spawned. I played a bit of swinesweeper while waiting, cool game. in B the hybrid was walking around the corner and back, around the corner, back, ...



As I told Travis you have to remember the age of the game, they (the developers) did what they could and it worked.


Cerberus_e said:
and is it normal that I still haven't encountered a recycler (I'm at the beginning of floor 3 on the von braum after restoring power to the elevator)? I can't wait to free my inventory of all those potted plants I collected http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif



Just pitch all those junk items in your inventory, once you find the recycler you can still find plants, mugs and other stuff to use (the ship's pretty littered with them).


Cerberus_e said:
I have only 2 downs:
1) bad AI
2) repititiveness, especially those worms and bees in their eggs



Read above what I said about the AI, the bees are only in specific areas and you can blow up the "eggs" before they hatch (and have a pretty short lifespan if they do). However, the worms themselves will play a rather interesting role in the game later on http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Also, HAPPY BIRTHDAY DAMIEN!!

Damien_Azreal
04-24-2005, 05:16 PM
Hudson said:
Also, HAPPY BIRTHDAY DAMIEN!!



Thanks Hudson, I'm getting so much love from this place. It's nice. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif

And since my family didn't remember, this makes up for it.


Okay, back on topic... I ordered a copy of System Shock from eBay for 15 bucks. Hudson I may need your help to get it running once I get it.
But I'm happy now, my collection is growing. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Wamplet
04-24-2005, 05:18 PM
I had to do the same for SS2. That AUS place wanted 30 dollars to ship it over 7-20 days, a complete rip-off. I have sent shit to Grudge, Killerbyte and Yossa for like 7 dollars and it gets there in about 5 business days

Not only that, but they wanted me to photocopy my credit card ( front/back) as well as a photo ID, and then sign the copies and fax it to them. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif No thanks. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

Other alternative would be to send an international money order which is fine, but it had to be in AUS dollars and I don't think the banks nearby will do it in foreign currency. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

Hudson
04-24-2005, 05:31 PM
Damien_Azreal said:
Thanks Hudson, I'm getting so much love from this place. It's nice. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif



Anytime man http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif


I ordered a copy of System Shock from eBay for 15 bucks. Hudson I may need your help to get it running once I get it.
But I'm happy now, my collection is growing. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



Sure thing, just let me know whenever you get it http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Cerberus_e
04-25-2005, 04:29 AM
you didn't have to say worms play an interesting note later on, I was not awaiting to know that beforehand.

I'm trying to figure out how to reprogram the third simulator on deck 4 now. but I have an idea that I will try this evening

Hudson
04-25-2005, 06:00 AM
Cerberus_e said:
you didn't have to say worms play an interesting note later on, I was not awaiting to know that beforehand.



What I said was so vague I didn't think it would have such an impact.. however in the future i'll make sure not to say anything else.

Hudson
04-25-2005, 08:44 AM
Ah yes, I forgot to mention a few of the easter eggs that can be found while playing the game. Don't worry they're in spoiler tags. Just highlight the text if you want to see.

For those of you who have already beat the game (or will soon) check them out, they're rather cool http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

#1
<table><tr><th><font size="-1">Spoiler below:</font></th></tr><tr><td class="spoiler"> After the third tour of your training, before you go for your fourth mission, make sure to look through the glass in the room to the left of you. There is a robot inside doing the macarena. </td></tr></table>

#2
<table><tr><th><font size="-1">Spoiler below:</font></th></tr><tr><td class="spoiler"> In the very beginning of the game (where you choose which branch of the military you want to take) there will be a basketball on one of the pillars outside. After you leave the train, head up the grav lift and follow the street to the right. Once you get to the end of the street, climb up the pillar that's on your right. You will find a basketball at the top which you can pick up. Once you have it, it will be in your inventory when you reach the Vaun Braun. Hold on to the basketball until you reach the recreational Deck on Deck 5. This level has a basketball court. If you throw the basketball and make a shot, you'll get an e-mail. The email's voice and text is completely different though. Quite amusing http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif </td></tr></table>

Most of you probably already know about these though.

Cerberus_e
04-25-2005, 10:42 AM
Hudson said:

Cerberus_e said:
you didn't have to say worms play an interesting note later on, I was not awaiting to know that beforehand.



What I said was so vague I didn't think it would have such an impact.. however in the future i'll make sure not to say anything else.



it may be vague, bit it's like saying: "watch out for that woman that said: 'were you the only ones on that train?', she will have a big role in the ending of the game!"
(fake spoiler of course)

Hudson
04-25-2005, 08:30 PM
Hey check it out, someone's re-writing the engine for System Shock and Underworld II (or at least they were) http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Looks like the project died, however I thought some of you would at least like to see it.

http://tsshp.sourceforge.net/about.html

I'll have to download it and check out the difference between this and System Shock through DOSBox // SVGA

Cerberus_e
04-27-2005, 02:39 PM
<table><tr><th><font size="-1">Spoiler below:</font></th></tr><tr><td class="spoiler">
I did only find 3 of the 4 codes inside art machines at deck 5.
I found [1, 10 and 4
that way I could guess the code:
11040
11041
11042
...
11049
14100
14101
14102
...
14106 BINGO!
I must have overlooked the art machine with a 6]

another question: is it normal that deck 6, part A (with a 2-way train that has 3 stations), in the middle station, has a door that can't be opened? altough my spatially aware os upgrade says there is a room behind it.

now I'm heading to the control room on deck 4 (found the ops access card)
</td></tr></table>

Hudson
04-28-2005, 08:31 AM
Cerberus_e:

<table><tr><th><font size="-1">Spoiler below:</font></th></tr><tr><td class="spoiler"> "another question: is it normal that deck 6, part A (with a 2-way train that has 3 stations), in the middle station, has a door that can't be opened? altough my spatially aware os upgrade says there is a room behind it."

>> You'll find out soon. </td></tr></table>

Hudson
04-28-2005, 10:28 AM
I got bored today and made some System Shock II wallpaper. I didn't make the original background, so I can't take full credit for it. But I thought some of you may want to check it out. (http://img105.echo.cx/img105/9078/systemshockii9uh.jpg)

http://img105.echo.cx/img105/9078/systemshockii9uh.th.jpg (http://img105.echo.cx/my.php?image=systemshockii9uh.jpg)

If anyone wants it in .PNG let me know and i'll reupload it.

Damien_Azreal
04-29-2005, 03:38 PM
I just got my copy in the mail. Currentyl downloading the official patch.

Already got the Rebirth pak downloaded, then I'm gonna download the SHTUP pak (because Hudson said so).

I'm a happy little boy now. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

cheeseboy
04-30-2005, 06:28 AM
You'll be even happier when you start playing it http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif. Enjoy!

Cerberus_e
04-30-2005, 08:58 AM
cool level that rickenbacker POD. but you will see it, I'll arive at the end of the level and missed 1 egg http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I'm stuck at a place with 4 "bombs" you can move up and down

Cerberus_e
04-30-2005, 12:41 PM
figured it out, the problem was not in my manner of thinking, but in the crappy jumping system, I couldn't manage to do some jump, but after retrying and retrying it worked.

Damien_Azreal
05-01-2005, 12:07 PM
Okay, this morning I went to play SS2 and nothing. I had played the game for a few hours yesterday and I love it. But today I go to start it and I get "System Shock 2 has encountered a problem and needs to close." bullshit. Everytime I try to play it. (sorry Cerberus_e, no screens)

I unistalled it and reinstalled it but nothing. I then installed it on my girl friends PC, burnt the files I needed (her PC doesn't have internet). I installed it, patched it, and the safe_texture_manager command, and started it. It plays great on her PC. And I still can't get it to work on mine.

Another forum says it's because my PC has hypertreading. And othe people said something about safedisc or something.

I have the game working on her PC and I love it. Great game. But I would love to play it on mine... any suggestions would be great. All my other games work great... I might try installing it again later. I found a hyperthreading fix I might try.

Cerberus_e
05-01-2005, 12:54 PM
what you need is XP fixes, I think.
it works without them, but it will crash.
what's the file size of your shock2.exe ?
mine is 2,77 MB (2.908.160 bytes)
if yours differs, I'll give you mine

Claws
05-01-2005, 12:58 PM
Replacing the EXE might not fix it, you need 2 patches (on top of the official patch). One patch disables hyperthreading for the game and another one that prevents crashes in certain locations. All the links have been posted in this thread, look at previous pages.

Cerberus_e
05-03-2005, 09:59 AM
I only patched the game to the latest version, then used some unofficial xp patches on the .exe file (not on other files)
so I guess replacing the .exe file with mine will work
and when you use my .exe you don't need to put the cd rom in anymore http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
I don't know if I have hyperthreading.... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif do I have that? (maybe all p4's have that or something?)

Edit:

<table><tr><th><font size="-1">Spoiler below:</font></th></tr><tr><td class="spoiler"> I think I'm at the end boss, they are talking about it in the PDAs, I just opened the door by destroying 2 things after following the veins. the level looks cool, more disgusting thazn doom 3, ID could learn something from this for their tunnels of gore in for example Site 3 </td></tr></table>

Cerberus_e
05-03-2005, 01:39 PM
if you are reading this, you are reading the words of someone who finished the game...
one of the best games ever!

<table><tr><th><font size="-1">Spoiler below:</font></th></tr><tr><td class="spoiler">
the end boss is ridiculously easy, I found the "destroy the central system of the many" much tougher.
other statistics: I had more than 30 med hypos and more than 10 or 20 of every other hypo left http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif and 4 health pakcs (that restore all your health)
the ending is quite good, second time I hear the voice of my character, and first time I see him http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
"nah" http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
original game, well done looking glass
</td></tr></table>

Dukefan
05-03-2005, 04:03 PM
Cerberus_e said:
the ending is quite good, second time I hear the voice of my character, and first time I see him http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif


I think you mean first time you hear him, second time you see him. You see him in the opening cutscene too, but he doesn't say anything.

cheeseboy
05-03-2005, 04:12 PM
Good to see that you liked it so much. Now go play on 'Impossible' mode, thats the mark of a real man! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

<table><tr><th><font size="-1">Spoiler below:</font></th></tr><tr><td class="spoiler"> The end is a bit easy, and the end cut scene felt a bit tacky. Although I do like that very end bit in the escape shuttle. Like my new style? Classic. </td></tr></table>

Cerberus_e
05-04-2005, 09:08 AM
Dukefan said:

Cerberus_e said:
the ending is quite good, second time I hear the voice of my character, and first time I see him http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif


I think you mean first time you hear him, second time you see him. You see him in the opening cutscene too, but he doesn't say anything.



second time I hear him, you also hear him in rickenbacker pod http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
when you fall into that "forcefield", some sort of pit, with some balance beams over it

Damien_Azreal
05-04-2005, 09:12 AM
Hmmm... running around a mall, smashing "zombies" (hybrids) in the head with a wrench. WHat's not to love? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I'm in love with this game, really can't wait for my copy of SS to show up. Thanks guys, this is definitely worth it.

Wamplet
05-04-2005, 11:00 AM
I just got System Shock 2 today.

Waiting on System Shock 1 to arrive. I may need to email the guy on that one. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif Although, from what I hear from everyone, System Shock 2 is the most important one. \o

Drazula
05-04-2005, 11:06 AM
What amazing about the original System Shock is that it came out in 1994! A great number of gameplay features that have been credited to other games actually come for System Shock.

But playing it today, it might seem long in the tooth.

Cerberus_e
05-04-2005, 11:36 AM
Drazula said:
But playing it today, it might seem long in the tooth.



what? don't you see my doom 2 thread, also played today http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
I didn't play it before end of the year 2004 - begin 2005

Wamplet
05-04-2005, 11:44 AM
Drazula said:
What amazing about the original System Shock is that it came out in 1994! A great number of gameplay features that have been credited to other games actually come for System Shock.

But playing it today, it might seem long in the tooth.



I recently bought Thief 1 and 2 with that presumption. I figured they were light years old, but I had absolutely no new games to buy and I didn't want to replay any of my existing games. I was definately able to put my mind back to that era while playing. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I know I joke about people around here playing really old games, like Duke3d, when there are plenty of new games to play. The novelty on some of those games seem harder to wear off, though. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Wamplet
05-09-2005, 08:57 AM
Hot damn!

At last, I finally get System Shock 1 delivered. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Now my system shockery can begin! \o

Cerberus_e
05-09-2005, 10:49 AM
how is system shock?
what RPG elements does it have?
what FPS elements?

Claws
05-09-2005, 11:01 AM
The problem with SS1 is the control scheme. It's extremely counter-intuitive.

Wamplet
05-09-2005, 11:03 AM
I played the demo to one of them a long time ago and hardly remember anything from it.

I am kinda hoping it will be a little like Deus Ex. It looks like you get implants or modifications, like DE, so that part seems kinda similar.

*cracks knuckles* Can't wait to play. I had System Shock 2 for over a week, but I want to play them in order, so I had to wait for the first one to arrive. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

On a side note, I was eyeing that Deus Ex 2 is pretty much on clearance for pennies on the dollar at many stores. Wondering if I should buy it before it's no longer sold. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

Claws
05-09-2005, 11:08 AM
Don't buy DE2, really, you'll only hurt yourself.

Cerberus_e
05-09-2005, 03:19 PM
I played ss2, but not ss, that's why I want to know how SS is

Wamplet
05-09-2005, 10:23 PM
Spent all night trying to get System shock 1 to run on my 98 computer. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

All I had to do was right click the shortcut and tell it to run with a ton of XMS and EMS memory. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Pretty neat, burt the movement controls suck ass. I gotta find out if it's possible to rebind the keys. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

Cerberus_e
05-10-2005, 10:55 AM
what are the controls? the arrows? I can handle arrows.
SS2's default movement keys suck. A and D = turn and z and c = strafe, s = duck and x = backpedal
afwul http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif
I rebinded it

Wamplet
05-10-2005, 01:46 PM
Same controls as you said.

I can handle arrows too, but I would like to be able to crouch and jump, so if I am having to use the mouse and the cursors, then it's a bit hard to do that.

I'll have to check for a configuration file. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

If they would have just moved the damn forward and backward keys up a notch, it wouldn't be so bad. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Hudson
05-11-2005, 11:22 PM
Cerberus_e said:
I played ss2, but not ss, that's why I want to know how SS is



I love System Shock personally, set a lot of standards for it's time and was sadly under-appreciated as much as it's sequel. If you play it keeping in mind the year it was made it's really cool and pretty damn fun http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

K T Ong
05-11-2005, 11:49 PM
Cerberus_e said:
how is system shock?
what RPG elements does it have?
what FPS elements?



System Shock has a lot more music than its sequel. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif Good quality music, too; Jean Michel Jarre couldn't have done it better.

In SS, you basically play a hacker who once tried to hack into the highly classified website of a corporation called Trioptimum, only to be apprehended by the authorities and sent to Citadel Station, a large space station serving as Trioptimum's HQ and located near Saturn. There you are offered a chance to get your name cleared by doing some of Trioptimum's work for them on Citadel, including reprogramming certain aspects of SHODAN, Citadel's central AI. Later you are given some cybernetic implants and placed in a 6-month-long coma to recover from the operation, while SHODAN slowly turns into something far more sinister... And when you wake up, you can sense that things have gone terribly wrong. Your game begins. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

In the game, you often receive messages from various sources in the form of logs and emails, though you can't reply to them. And you often have to travel into cyberspace to procure bits of data etc. Cyberspace is a real space you can move around in in this game. And don't worry -- there are monsters and puzzles aplenty, too.

Higher Game
05-12-2005, 02:46 AM
I've already beaten system shock 2 (on hard), but I'm about to play a normal multiplayer game so my brother can play it (he's too scared to play alone.) How should I play differently for multiplayer?

Ruger
05-12-2005, 03:36 AM
Higher Game said:
I've already beaten system shock 2 (on hard), but I'm about to play a normal multiplayer game so my brother can play it (he's too scared to play alone.) How should I play differently for multiplayer?



I've never played co-op, but perhaps this FAQ (http://db.gamefaqs.com/computer/doswin/file/system_shock_2_multiplayer.txt) would be useful to you.

Wamplet
05-12-2005, 08:07 AM
Hudson said:
I love System Shock personally, set a lot of standards for it's time and was sadly under-appreciated as much as it's sequel. If you play it keeping in mind the year it was made it's really cool and pretty damn fun http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif



I am currently on Level 3/4 of System Shock 1.

I got lost as hell, because I thought I had put the radiation shields up for the station before firing the laser, but I seem to have died and not gone back to set up the shields. :O Anyways, I'm back in the mix and strolling along quite quickly.

The engine/interface looks an awful lot like the one used for Ultima Underworld 1/2. Is it? I believe they were made by TTLG as well. I think I passed UU2, but never UU1. Those 2 games were fun as hell. I remember UU1 came with a computer my dad bought, along with Wing Commander. Those were some fun games.

I am finally pretty used to the controls, although I still screw up every now and then.

Question about the game:

Cyberspace. I really have no damn clue what I am supposed to do, other than pick up some things in there. Am I able to attack stuff, like the little Dog head and some other floating monster? Also, is it required to do that stuff or can i just forget about that part? I downloaded some maps of each level as well as the walkthroug, which really isn't much of one http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif, and it looks like I only need to do one in level 6 and I guess level 9. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Phait
05-13-2005, 12:45 AM
I'm all for classic games, but I just tried SS2, and it's total cheese.

I might've viewed it differently if I'd played it when it actually came out.

Wamplet
05-13-2005, 06:25 AM
phait said:
I'm all for classic games, but I just tried SS2, and it's total cheese.

I might've viewed it differently if I'd played it when it actually came out.



While I admit playing old games like this is definitely quite different from playing a modern game, it's still funny to see people post that they can't adjust to them. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Overlord Hudson,

How the hell do I win the damn cyberspace mission on Lvel 6 in SS1? \o L http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

As soon as I enter, some weird ass box starts shooting at me and I am pretty much dead as soon as the cyberspace level loads.

K T Ong
05-13-2005, 09:59 AM
Why not adjust the cyberspace difficulty right down? Then things will be much easier. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

BTW, don't know if any of you ever had this problem, but in SS2 I found that I often didn't hear the training speech at all during the training sessions at the beginning of the game. I could hear all the other sounds, even the voices instructing me to go to the grav shafts, do the basic training first etc. It's only the training speech I couldn't get when in the training areas, even when I press the replay buttons. Tried different versions of SS2 (version 1.12, 1.15, 2.3). Same problem always. Have any of you encountered the same problem?

Wamplet
05-13-2005, 10:28 AM
K T Ong said:
Why not adjust the cyberspace difficulty right down? Then things will be much easier. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif




I thought about that as I walked out the door this morning. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

Can the difficulty be adjusted in System Shock 1 on the fly? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

I know SS2 should let you. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

K T Ong
05-13-2005, 10:41 AM
Wamplet said:Can the difficulty be adjusted in System Shock 1 on the fly? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif



You mean whether you can adjust it for your current game rather than starting a new game?

I'm not sure myself, but I suspect not...

Wamplet
05-13-2005, 01:28 PM
Crap.

I'll check the config file. From the looks of it, I had to choose 4 levels of difficulty right before I started. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

Hudson
05-13-2005, 01:59 PM
Wamplet said:
Overlord Hudson,

How the hell do I win the damn cyberspace mission on Lvel 6 in SS1? \o L http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

As soon as I enter, some weird ass box starts shooting at me and I am pretty much dead as soon as the cyberspace level loads.



You're going to have to destroy or avoid it to progress, Cyberspace can be a real bitch sometimes (one of the harder parts of the game.. and a reason it was omitted from SS2) however if you don't you can't gain access to the door lock, etc.

Wamplet
05-13-2005, 09:00 PM
Alright. Thanks for the reply. I'll do my best.

I honestly loathe cyberspace. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

I mean it's a nice concept, but I would just prefer hacking another wall panel with wires. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

If I need to do that one for level 6, will it really make much difference if I refuse to do any other cyberspaces except that one? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif I mean, if I do the earlier ones, will they help me play through that one any easier? I can't see how, but who knows. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

Wamplet
05-14-2005, 09:42 AM
Holy crap. it's actually not that hard to play in cyberspace. Helps to know I have a fire button. \o

Just unlocked the elevator and some closet for that diego guy. I still have 1.5 mins left in there, but I think I "passed" the parts that i needed to in there.

Wamplet
05-17-2005, 09:39 PM
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! :cry:

Been playing System shock 1.

The game started crashing a lot recently and I was on Level 8.

Well, it got to the point where I couldn't even get the game to get to the loading menu screen.

I deleted my savegame files and the currentgame file and it loads up fine now. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

Of course, this is after I install DOS on another computer, thinking it was a problem with Windows 95. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

Maybe it was. who know. Anyways, gotta start all over. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif Not like it will be a big deal. Still mad, though. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

Wamplet
05-23-2005, 07:52 AM
Welp, I finally passed System Shock 1 last night. I played from Level 2 to the end starting on the weekend. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Hudson
05-23-2005, 05:12 PM
http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/woot.gif

Wamplet
05-23-2005, 06:10 PM
^ You don't know the hell I went through getting DOS on one of my hard drives, just so I could run it. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

I tried DOSBox, but I gather I need to run it off a good pc. the pc i am using is a 450Mhz AMD. the sound stuttered too much and I tried some other Dos program, and even tried a dos bootdisk, but it just wouldn't work. I eventually had to load DOS on there to get it to work. Although, it looked like nothing was wrong with Windows 98. It was just that my save games got corrupted. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif might have been windows' fault, but who knows.

I am so stoked now. I am installing System shock 2 on my 98 HD on the same PC. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

When I saw the ending for SS1, I nearly shat my pants in disgust and then I waited for those first few seconds to pass by and had a good laugh. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I like how it turned out. I can't wait to see how it comes to be in Part 2. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

K T Ong
05-23-2005, 06:22 PM
Wamplet said:I tried DOSBox, but I gather I need to run it off a good pc. the pc i am using is a 450Mhz AMD. the sound stuttered too much and I tried some other Dos program, and even tried a dos bootdisk, but it just wouldn't work. I eventually had to load DOS on there to get it to work. Although, it looked like nothing was wrong with Windows 98. It was just that my save games got corrupted. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif might have been windows' fault, but who knows.



Did you change the DOSBox blaster settings? System Shock prefers an IRQ of 5. Having SOUNDMAX on your system and having it turned on would also help.

Wamplet
05-23-2005, 06:24 PM
I think part of the problem is that my sound card is a SB awe 32, but it uses Irq 7 or 9 i think. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Hudson
05-23-2005, 09:31 PM
Wamplet said:
I like how it turned out. I can't wait to see how it comes to be in Part 2. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif



You won't be dissapointed http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif

Are you using the SHTUP (texture upgrade) and Rebirth model packs? Or are you going to play it as it was shipped?

Wamplet
05-23-2005, 09:50 PM
Hudson said:
You won't be dissapointed http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif

Are you using the SHTUP (texture upgrade) and Rebirth model packs? Or are you going to play it as it was shipped?



No. I am going to play it as it shipped. I'm not much on mods or add-ons for my games. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

I just found out that the old voodoo card in my computer won't work with the game. I'll need to swap it out with my old ATI card. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

Claws
05-23-2005, 10:10 PM
Noooo you have to atleast get SHTUP... It doesn't alter the game in any negative way whatsoever, only improves the texture resolution.

YOU MUST.

Wamplet
05-24-2005, 07:47 AM
Claws said:
Noooo you have to atleast get SHTUP... It doesn't alter the game in any negative way whatsoever, only improves the texture resolution.

YOU MUST.



I just played through System Shock 1. If I can play through that, which had character textures circa Wolf3d, I can play anything. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif To be honest, I thought the textures were actually worse, but no big deal.

I want to play the original game with no additions.

Cerberus_e
05-24-2005, 11:05 AM
Wamplet said:
I want to play the original game with no additions.



see hudson, the same intention as me.
good Wamplet!

K T Ong
05-24-2005, 06:55 PM
I want to correct something I said earlier. SS (not SS2) uses an IRQ of 7, not 5.

Sorry, my mistake... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif

Balgias
05-26-2005, 09:14 PM
Claws said:
Why are you playing the demo? Just go buy the damn thing! It's practically the greatest game ever!



http://www.*****.org/game.php?gameid=3924 AHEM

Well that version doesnt have any of the cutscenes, but it still does have alll of the gameplay and all of the music too.. only - the cgi cutscenes

ITs not a warez, its an offical download, the game has become abondonware appearently http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

huh ?.. thats weird

**************dotorg :P

(edit)

The note at the bottom of the page now says that it is full cd rom so, you might just be able to d/l the full version for free, and yes this game in now officaly abondened ware

Wamplet
05-26-2005, 09:22 PM
Abandonware does not mean legal.

Balgias
05-26-2005, 09:31 PM
How so ? the devlepors have given them a right to offer it for download

Wamplet
05-26-2005, 09:42 PM
I was referring to that site. A lot of those games were just thrown up for download and then when people that retain the copyrights for the software complain or threaten lawsuits, then they take it down.

Balgias
05-26-2005, 09:47 PM
Wamplet said:
I was referring to that site. A lot of those games were just thrown up for download and then when people that retain the copyrights for the software complain or threaten lawsuits, then they take it down.



Well on that site the system shock 2 download was at cd-rip but its at full now for some weird reason....

lol 2nd time today ive been fooled, i thought they got permission, THEn post it up for d/l, heh i guess not

Hudson
05-27-2005, 05:48 AM
SS2 is not abandonware, even though it seems to fall into that grey area.

Balgias
05-27-2005, 06:03 AM
hehe yeah sadly enough it is being called that.. but.. since the underdogs think so i got a chance to play it and aww man it was good, i place it one rank behind the #1 on the ladder and that is deus ex

And wth?! it ended with a friggin clif hanger with no real intention of 3rd version\game http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif

Hudson
05-27-2005, 06:08 AM
Balgias said:
hehe yeah sadly enough it is being called that.. but.. since the underdogs think so i got a chance to play it and aww man it was good, i place it one rank behind the #1 on the ladder and that is deus ex



It's my favorite game ever made. I don't have anything to worry about though, I bought it the day it came out http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif


And wth?! it ended with a friggin clif hanger with no real intention of 3rd version\game http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif



Looking Glass Studios closed their doors and EA bought up the rights and apparently plan to sit on them forever.

I heard through the grape vine Irrational wanted to make a SS3 but couldn't get the IP from EA so they decided to create "BioShock" with "Shock" in the name as an extra added "Fxck you" to EA.

Balgias
05-27-2005, 06:30 AM
Hudson said:

Balgias said:
hehe yeah sadly enough it is being called that.. but.. since the underdogs think so i got a chance to play it and aww man it was good, i place it one rank behind the #1 on the ladder and that is deus ex



It's my favorite game ever made. I don't have anything to worry about though, I bought it the day it came out http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif


And wth?! it ended with a friggin clif hanger with no real intention of 3rd version\game http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif



Looking Glass Studios closed their doors and EA bought up the rights and apparently plan to sit on them forever.

I heard through the grape vine Irrational wanted to make a SS3 but couldn't get the IP from EA so they decided to create "BioShock" with "Shock" in the name as an extra added "Fxck you" to EA.



Ahhahahahh that's awesome..

So they "Are" making a game similar to ss3 ? or is it going to be an actual version ? ( ok i see they are http://www.bioshock.co.uk/index.php , Sheesh only 3 screenies ? :P heh well thats more than some games on this forums Cough COUgh )

lol Btw, Want to point out that Ea, needs to be stopped, seriously they have taken over soo many Ip's and compants its redicules, my anger with them spawned when i learned they have bought Westwood studios, Makers of command and conquer and the all time legend Blade Runner For the pc >_<

Hudson
05-27-2005, 06:35 AM
BioShock will be the "spiritual sucessor" to System Shock II. (i.e. as much of the SS2 gameplay formula as possible without infringing on any copyrights)

EA sucks. They think they're god and piss all over or buy out any smaller indie developer with one ounce of talent. Fxck EA.

Balgias
05-27-2005, 06:38 AM
Hudson said:
BioShock will be the "spiritual sucessor" to System Shock II. (i.e. as much of the SS2 gameplay formula as possible without infringing on any copyrights)

EA sucks. They think they're god and piss all over or buy out any smaller indie developer with one ounce of talent. Fxck EA.



You know what ? we need to bury a few hundred boodies deep under their new hq, Just the curse the damn place...Before we come to burn it down ahahhaah...............what ? WEll its only what they deserve after turning c&c into unbalanced Crap $#@$^@%#$&

Malgon
05-27-2005, 10:07 AM
I finally got SS2 to work, but I havent had a chance to play it yet. I had played the demo many times, so I know how to play it and I can still remember the feel of the game.
Only thing is I have installed the updated models pack but it doesn't work in the game. Ah well I can still get to enjoy the game, hopefully I'll get cracking at it this weekend. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif


i place it one rank behind the #1 on the ladder and that is deus ex



Deus Ex is still on the top of my list even after all this time http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dopefish.gif So much to see and do, and it is a very long game, I enjoyed it thouroughly. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Cerberus_e
05-28-2005, 11:37 AM
Well that version doesnt have any of the cutscenes, but it still does have alll of the gameplay and all of the music too.. only - the cgi cutscenes



huh? SS2 doesn't have CGI cutscenes. only normal videos as cutscenes?
don't say I've missed cgi cutscenes (because of running XP, or downloading a XP and no-cd crack or something)

Wamplet
05-28-2005, 07:36 PM
I just fired it up on one of my old computers. It reminds a lot of Deus Ex. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Anyways, the damn thing crashed twice and I fear the hard drive is raped. I may need use my P4 computer for it. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif Unfortunately, I'll need to set up another drive for it with 98, though. I'll tackle that later.

I plan to go the Navy route.

Balgias
05-29-2005, 05:04 AM
Cerberus_e said:

Well that version doesnt have any of the cutscenes, but it still does have alll of the gameplay and all of the music too.. only - the cgi cutscenes



huh? SS2 doesn't have CGI cutscenes. only normal videos as cutscenes?
don't say I've missed cgi cutscenes (because of running XP, or downloading a XP and no-cd crack or something)



Yes sir, there are now real cut scenes in the game now in the underdogs download.. hehe yeah you have to open them seperatly on xp sadly enough..

(Edit)
Ohh so you have some "form" of cutscenes in game or not ? IF your running the game on xp your not going to see any scenes, i think... lol this game is kinda confusing me

Cerberus_e
05-29-2005, 05:25 AM
in the whole game there were 3 different cutscenes

<table><tr><th><font size="-1">Spoiler below:</font></th></tr><tr><td class="spoiler">
- the beginning
- every year of duty (+- 4 times)
- the ending
</td></tr></table>

right? nothing more?

Balgias
05-29-2005, 05:39 AM
ehh yep thats it :P your not missing anything

Hudson
05-29-2005, 06:51 PM
Wamplet said:
I may need use my P4 computer for it. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif



System Shock II has problems with the hyperthreading tech that some P4's use, there is a way to get around it though. You can read about it in the stickied thread in the System Shock area of the TTLG forums.

Wamplet
05-29-2005, 08:21 PM
Actually, I have an old P4. It's the 400Mhz bus, Northwood, i think. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

It's damn old and I can assure you it can't hyperthread anymore than 2 old ladies sew in conjunction. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

It runs off Rambus pc 800 as well.

I think the main problem I have is that my hard drive is bad (both actually) on my old 450 computer. The drives are about 2Gb drives and they are probably circa 1996 or older. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif I was gonna let it run scandisk, but it was saying cluster after cluster was raped, so I won't bother.

Hudson
05-29-2005, 09:27 PM
That sucks man http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

You can probably get a decent size Western Digital "special edition" (8mb cache 7200rpm) off Newegg fairly cheap.

Wamplet
06-07-2005, 07:45 AM
Welp, I got System Shock 2 up and running. I had to set up another hard drive. It looks like the 2 I was using were both bad. I'm back on the AMD 450 still. I was debating on whether I should just use my P1.6, but I figured I'd rather just use the 450.

Currently on Deck 4. Just met the Doctor and have dispatched the first assassin where the exploding barrels come down. On the second one right now.

Did they ever license the engine to anyone? My first thought of this arose when I remembered playing both Deus Ex games. I thought they used Unreal for Deus Ex, but it the item interaction part seems quite similar.

I am quite stoked. I was very pleased at the meeting with the good Doctor.


That one line from the hyrbids about "Your song is not like ours" or something like that is being instilled in my head, much like the Thief's "children of Karras, children of Karras." line http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

EDIT: The problem about the hard drive situation, is that my 450 won't accept anything over 20 i think. It might be a little more, but I had a 2 and a 3gb hd in it. I put in a 6.4 and it's all fine now.

I have plenty of spare 40, 60, and 20s, but I felt 20 was overkill.

Damien_Azreal
06-07-2005, 07:51 AM
Yeah Deus Ex used the Unreal engine. SS2 uses the Dark Places Engine. The same engine used in Thief 1 and 2.

Wamplet
06-07-2005, 09:15 AM
Ahh ok. I thought Deus Ex used Unreal. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

Explains a lot. I was seeing a lot of similarity to the style of gameplay/interactivity in both.

avatar_58
06-07-2005, 09:34 AM
Balgias said:
Well on that site the system shock 2 download was at cd-rip but its at full now for some weird reason....

lol 2nd time today ive been fooled, i thought they got permission, THEn post it up for d/l, heh i guess not



Let me gues....I think I know EXACTLY which site you are talking about. if I am correct, well.....that site likes to do that. They used to be about old games that were rarely given their due credit. Then they mostly put up abandonware. Now they have turned to placing any old games they can find....popular or not.

You should see some of the non abandonware they have their, its gotten pretty bad. I mean, this is the bottom line folks:

If the company who publishes the game is on the ESA protection list, then the game is NOT abandoned. Regardless of whether or not its sold.

It sucks but its true. Welcome to why I don't like vivendi....

Wamplet
06-11-2005, 12:38 PM
http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Just passed System Shock 2.

\o/

Michelangelo
06-12-2005, 01:57 AM
BEST GAME EVER http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

okeee
08-18-2006, 12:00 PM
Hi, I would like to play system shock 2 multiplayer. Please let me know if you are interested. Also, when you know others who like to play multiplayer as well, let me know!

you can mail, dimwit_2@hotmail.com