Character modelling is rubbish! - Page 3

NutWrench · 06-24-2006, 05:59 PM

Harsh lighting can make a good model look pretty bad. I've noticed in Doom 3 and Quake 4 that because of the way the lighting works, parts of the actors face are either well lit or completely black.

Deus Ex had an interesting workaround for this during the conversation cut-scenes. The models all had an invisible bone sticking out of their faces that had a light source attached to it. So you always had a soft fill light that made the models faces look good no matter where the light in the scene was actually coming from.

hamwbone · 06-24-2006, 07:00 PM

I am not seeing the blocky GTA hands on my pc, i am running a 21 inch lcd monitor and in the bar all fingers are clearly seperate. even moving sepereate to different positions at different times. do we need screen shots? i think the hands are just fine, i can count all 5 fingers. do you want finger nails and cuticle polys?

06-24-2006, 07:06 PM

Haha.. im just happy that tommy doesnt have that obvious line down his face like the Doom 3 models..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...s/doom3_02.jpg

Vic Mackey · 06-24-2006, 07:56 PM

yea im playing on 1600x1200 and the hands look fine. So you cant see individual pores.....so what!

Geronimo · 06-24-2006, 11:29 PM

As George pointed out more or less the game has been in development for awhile and the character models were finished some time ago. I think it would be great to see some up to date modeling done but that would probably mean another 6 months before release. I do however think they could have spent a little more time on Jen or at least her head.

SuperSaiyan4 · 06-25-2006, 02:01 AM

I need to be clear and say the fingers are NOT joined together what I am saying is that they are square, Joanna Dark had lovely hands haha but then you seem them pretty much all the time.

Geronimo · 06-26-2006, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ercdevious

Haha.. im just happy that tommy doesnt have that obvious line down his face like the Doom 3 models..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...s/doom3_02.jpg

Ah yeah, that's a modeling technique that simplfies the process by mirror copying one side to the other hence the "line" down the middle. I still like the HL2 models. I haven't played Oblivion yet but I hear they're good. At any rate Prey is not a game that relies heavily on character modeling to be good.

SuperSaiyan4 · 06-26-2006, 02:08 AM

To be honest if I had been working on a game since 1995 I would want to do everything I can to make this game spectacularly awesome in every way possible, with games like Gears Of War, Mass Effect, Too Human, Huxly, Halo 3 and the rest all of them apart from Halo 3 use the Unreal 3 engine, so the question is was their no way for Human Head to use the Unreal 3 engine instead?

hiob · 06-26-2006, 02:20 AM

Prey looks awesome as it is, why can´t you enjoy it. Human Head did a great job and this game will become a classic for its gameplay and not its graphics.

SuperSaiyan4 · 06-26-2006, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by hiob

Prey looks awesome as it is, why can´t you enjoy it. Human Head did a great job and this game will become a classic for its gameplay and not its graphics.

Well thats the thing, it still doesnt have that hype that all the other games I have mentioned have, PREY has been long in the waiting but there are soo many people out there that dont have a clue what it is or what its about.

A games engine can allow for many things the Unreal 3 engine allows enhanced gameplay as well since the engines capabilities are next gen I mean look at gears of war for example.

Having worked on a game for soo many years surely if it was me I would want everyone to see what this game can do etc so I would use the best engine, physics etc.

It does look great though but I only played the demo will have to see how much more depth this game goes into before I make further comments on its gameplay.

ADM · 06-26-2006, 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by SuperSaiyan4

so the question is was their no way for Human Head to use the Unreal 3 engine instead?

Considering that when the current version of Prey started development in 2002 the Unreal 3 engine wasn't even in development yet and the Unreal 2 engine hadn't even been finished.

Sure they could of switched and restarted last year so you can be happy. I'm sure if you talked to them then they would have.

zwieback · 06-26-2006, 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ADM

Not everyone judges a game based on how a models fingers look like.

this one made me lough

maaaan coffee all over the screen!

hiob · 06-26-2006, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by SuperSaiyan4

Well thats the thing, it still doesnt have that hype that all the other games I have mentioned have, PREY has been long in the waiting but there are soo many people out there that dont have a clue what it is or what its about.

That will change when the reviews are written.

SuperSaiyan4 · 06-26-2006, 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by hiob

That will change when the reviews are written.

I thought it got 86% review or something? Read it somewhere on this forum or was it 76% Either way demo played well, it looks pretty decent only getting it if I can get the LE version.

hiob · 06-26-2006, 03:09 AM

really, the only reviews i read about prey were for the demo (and they were all quite positive)

Decker · 06-26-2006, 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Denz

****ing shit Prey is all abount ****ing aliens not human like other games.

http://media.xbox360.ign.com/media/7...g_3565683.html
http://media.xbox360.ign.com/media/7...g_3565672.html

This sums it up for me. The problem is more with the human(/oid) models and bodyparts. The rest of the models look fine, and the rest of the gfx amazing.

hanged_man · 06-26-2006, 05:32 AM

Despite the finger issue and low poly human models, i still think the game looks awesome

NutWrench · 06-26-2006, 06:19 AM

Me too. If square fingers are the biggest game issue, then I don't think Human Head has much to worry about.

Denz · 06-26-2006, 06:27 AM

I like that point of view on the question.

hell-angel · 06-26-2006, 06:37 AM

I liked the artwork and the models are more then good enough for me. It's a great game with high quality gamplay, superb features and nice models. It's better then any other game released so far (including Oblivion).

Great work HH.

SuperSaiyan4 · 06-26-2006, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by hell-angel

I liked the artwork and the models are more then good enough for me. It's a great game with high quality gamplay, superb features and nice models. It's better then any other game released so far (including Oblivion).

Great work HH.

Better than Oblivion? Err well if this game lasts me 130hours then it sure will be haha.

hell-angel · 06-26-2006, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by SuperSaiyan4

Better than Oblivion? Err well if this game lasts me 130hours then it sure will be haha.

Well, it's only my opinion.
After the first 20 hours oblivion was not allways that interesting to me. Mostly because they didn't deliver all the promised IMO. (e.g. the quests did not feel that varied).
I did finish it though (it was a good game, I just couldn't play it for hours in a row because that got boring for me. ) For me prey is otherwise.

hiob · 06-26-2006, 07:54 AM

hell-angel you just said what i was thinking and it always depends on the gameplay how good a game is, graphics play a part in enjoying a game but if the gameplay sucks the game sucks.
Edit: forgot to say it: Humanhead you rock

SuperSaiyan4 · 06-26-2006, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by hiob

hell-angel you just said what i was thinking and it always depends on the gameplay how good a game is, graphics play a part in enjoying a game but if the gameplay sucks the game sucks.

Its true, Oblivion looks awesome but it does lack in many areas in gameplay even though its still very playable just not as enjoyable as morrowind was as many have said on the oblivion forums.

Thing is with the technology that is currently available I guess its fair in this case that HH did not have what is available now 5yrs ago and in all fairness I think the game does look pretty darn good despite the concerns I have raised.

It will be games such as the ones that use the Unreal 3 engine etc that will show next gen visuals at their best until something better comes out down the many years the 360 will be out for.

In that time I am sure maybe a sequel to PREY will be out in a couple of years or earlier and it might use something even better than the Unreal 3 engine who knows.

But I can safely say one thing, HH are NO Atari who in my personal opinion are soo far been the WORST developer and publisher to date!

PREY seems to be what Doom 3 should have been and what Quake 4 could have been, from just playing the demo it combines both and the gameplay is even better than both.

Hopefully someone will no read the above and stop saying I hate this game as I DO NOT!

Arc-Demon · 06-26-2006, 08:14 AM

I have no idea why everyone is bitching about the models. My friend and I thought they looked great. I already knew that Prey models would not look like HL2 models. Going into the game with this knowledge really helps. I think the models are really good. Then again, that's just my opinion

. Multiplayer, Weapons, Character, Spirit Walk, Story, and Enemies ALL KICK ASS!!!

Good Job Human Head and 3D REALMS!!!

AWE300 · 06-26-2006, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by SuperSaiyan4

Better than Oblivion? Err well if this game lasts me 130hours then it sure will be haha.

Hm, if the multiplayer is awesome 130 hours are nothing. If I added all the hours I played Duke 3D or Quake 2 (as example for good MP games) so far... possibly over 500 for each

Edit: Come to think of it.. 500 hours isn't that much even.

SuperSaiyan4 · 06-26-2006, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by AWE300

Hm, if the multiplayer is awesome 130 hours are nothing. If I added all the hours I played Duke 3D or Quake 2 (as example for good MP games) so far... possibly over 500 for each

Edit: Come to think of it.. 500 hours isn't that much even.

For me single player campaign is priority then its online which is a bonus.

Joe Siegler · 06-26-2006, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by NutWrench

Me too. If square fingers are the biggest game issue, then I don't think Human Head has much to worry about.

Indeed. People love to nitpick. I have a finger image around here somewhere I could use.

Buhahahaha.

SuperSaiyan4 · 06-26-2006, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe Siegler

Indeed. People love to nitpick. I have a finger image around here somewhere I could use.

Buhahahaha.

And I am sure it looks better than the one in the game

AWE300 · 06-26-2006, 09:35 AM

well I guess it's only one finger, so more polygons can be used to make it look better

SuperSaiyan4 · 06-26-2006, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by AWE300

well I guess it's only one finger, so more polygons can be used to make it look better

360 is able to render well over 1million fingers at once haha, so bring on the rest

brandon105 · 06-26-2006, 11:25 AM

Good graphics does not a classic game make

kornbred · 06-26-2006, 11:28 AM

The Character models in the demo rail scene look good to me. Movement looks fluid. The only complaint I have is Grandpa's hair it is really blocky even for a last gen game. Still that is minor. The games looks great and the gameplay rocks balls.

SuperSaiyan4 · 06-26-2006, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by brandon105

Good graphics does not a classic game make

In that case lets pull out our Pentium 166mhz PC's with a geforce 2 gts, and at the same time lets pull out our C64's as well...Sheesh.

Technology has moved on, with the current hardware on the market coupled with the development tools that are now available aka XNA for example there is space for superb visuals AND gameplay.

brandon105 · 06-26-2006, 11:32 AM

...you can't even understand my post, what im saying is that just because the graphics aren't prefect...they are still good, and the gameplay is amazing which is what counts. Learn to read my post and think before talking. You could have a crappy game where you walk around in one room with the most realistic graphics ever...but there would be no point in playing it because there would be no objective to make you thrive for an ending...now go think about that.

kornbred · 06-26-2006, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by brandon105

...you can't even understand my post, what im saying is that just because the graphics aren't prefect...they are still good, and the gameplay is amazing which is what counts. Learn to read my post and think before talking. You could have a crappy game where you walk around in one room with the most realistic graphics ever...but there would be no point in playing it because there would be no objective to make you thrive for an ending...now go think about that.

Most of us got your point. Tetris bad graphics yet fun to this day. We get it.

brandon105 · 06-26-2006, 11:56 AM

sorry if I sounded too harsh

AWE300 · 06-26-2006, 02:16 PM

honestly, chances are the models you saw are not absolutely top notch because you don't see them often anyways.
But I liked what I saw, if I didn't see this thread I wouldn't even imagine someone could call the graphics of prey bad

hell-angel · 06-27-2006, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by SuperSaiyan4

In that case lets pull out our Pentium 166mhz PC's with a geforce 2 gts, and at the same time lets pull out our C64's as well...Sheesh.

Technology has moved on, with the current hardware on the market coupled with the development tools that are now available aka XNA for example there is space for superb visuals AND gameplay.

Duke Nukem 3D is still a great game, even though (by todays standards) the graphics are lacking.

And yes, there is space for both. But unfortunately the time is usually lacking. Although personally, prey is doing one kick ass job. And those characters models, when you shoot them they will look screwed up anyway.

sgt Boundford · 06-27-2006, 01:42 AM

Could some one post a picture to show how bad or good the prey character modelling is? If the characters are badly made then ill be a litttle dissapointed, due to the fact that I pay more attention to characters than any thing else. They are essentially what makes a FPS game worth playing, because its only in an FPS game that you can get so close to them.

06-24-2006, 07:06 PM	#83
ercdevious Guest	Re: Character modelling is rubbish! Haha.. im just happy that tommy doesnt have that obvious line down his face like the Doom 3 models.. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...s/doom3_02.jpg Last edited by ercdevious; 06-24-2006 at 07:11 PM.

06-24-2006, 05:59 PM	#81
NutWrench	Re: Character modelling is rubbish! Harsh lighting can make a good model look pretty bad. I've noticed in Doom 3 and Quake 4 that because of the way the lighting works, parts of the actors face are either well lit or completely black. Deus Ex had an interesting workaround for this during the conversation cut-scenes. The models all had an invisible bone sticking out of their faces that had a light source attached to it. So you always had a soft fill light that made the models faces look good no matter where the light in the scene was actually coming from. __________________ "If by chance some day you're not feeling well and you should remember some silly thing I've said or done and it brings back a smile to your face or a chuckle to your heart, then my purpose as your clown has been fulfilled."

06-24-2006, 07:00 PM	#82
hamwbone	Re: Character modelling is rubbish! I am not seeing the blocky GTA hands on my pc, i am running a 21 inch lcd monitor and in the bar all fingers are clearly seperate. even moving sepereate to different positions at different times. do we need screen shots? i think the hands are just fine, i can count all 5 fingers. do you want finger nails and cuticle polys?

06-24-2006, 07:56 PM	#84
Vic Mackey	Re: Character modelling is rubbish! yea im playing on 1600x1200 and the hands look fine. So you cant see individual pores.....so what!

06-24-2006, 11:29 PM	#85
Geronimo	Re: Character modelling is rubbish! As George pointed out more or less the game has been in development for awhile and the character models were finished some time ago. I think it would be great to see some up to date modeling done but that would probably mean another 6 months before release. I do however think they could have spent a little more time on Jen or at least her head.

06-25-2006, 02:01 AM	#86
SuperSaiyan4	Re: Character modelling is rubbish! I need to be clear and say the fingers are NOT joined together what I am saying is that they are square, Joanna Dark had lovely hands haha but then you seem them pretty much all the time.

06-26-2006, 02:08 AM	#88
SuperSaiyan4	Re: Character modelling is rubbish! To be honest if I had been working on a game since 1995 I would want to do everything I can to make this game spectacularly awesome in every way possible, with games like Gears Of War, Mass Effect, Too Human, Huxly, Halo 3 and the rest all of them apart from Halo 3 use the Unreal 3 engine, so the question is was their no way for Human Head to use the Unreal 3 engine instead?

06-26-2006, 02:20 AM	#89
hiob	Re: Character modelling is rubbish! Prey looks awesome as it is, why can´t you enjoy it. Human Head did a great job and this game will become a classic for its gameplay and not its graphics. __________________ :3

06-26-2006, 03:09 AM	#95
hiob	Re: Character modelling is rubbish! really, the only reviews i read about prey were for the demo (and they were all quite positive) __________________ :3

06-26-2006, 05:32 AM	#97
hanged_man	Re: Character modelling is rubbish! Despite the finger issue and low poly human models, i still think the game looks awesome

06-26-2006, 06:19 AM	#98
NutWrench	Re: Character modelling is rubbish! Me too. If square fingers are the biggest game issue, then I don't think Human Head has much to worry about. __________________ "If by chance some day you're not feeling well and you should remember some silly thing I've said or done and it brings back a smile to your face or a chuckle to your heart, then my purpose as your clown has been fulfilled." Last edited by NutWrench; 06-26-2006 at 06:28 AM.

06-26-2006, 06:27 AM	#99
Denz	Re: Character modelling is rubbish! I like that point of view on the question. __________________ *crunchy superman said:* 10 years and two complete restarts - that's either one very effective filter, or a whole lotta shit. :D

06-26-2006, 06:37 AM	#100
hell-angel	Re: Character modelling is rubbish! I liked the artwork and the models are more then good enough for me. It's a great game with high quality gamplay, superb features and nice models. It's better then any other game released so far (including Oblivion). Great work HH.

06-26-2006, 07:54 AM	#103
hiob	Re: Character modelling is rubbish! hell-angel you just said what i was thinking and it always depends on the gameplay how good a game is, graphics play a part in enjoying a game but if the gameplay sucks the game sucks. Edit: forgot to say it: Humanhead you rock __________________ :3 Last edited by hiob; 06-26-2006 at 08:17 AM.

06-26-2006, 08:14 AM	#105
Arc-Demon	Re: Character modelling is rubbish! I have no idea why everyone is bitching about the models. My friend and I thought they looked great. I already knew that Prey models would not look like HL2 models. Going into the game with this knowledge really helps. I think the models are really good. Then again, that's just my opinion . Multiplayer, Weapons, Character, Spirit Walk, Story, and Enemies ALL KICK ASS!!! Good Job Human Head and 3D REALMS!!!

06-26-2006, 09:35 AM	#110
AWE300	Re: Character modelling is rubbish! well I guess it's only one finger, so more polygons can be used to make it look better

06-26-2006, 11:25 AM	#112
brandon105	Re: Character modelling is rubbish! Good graphics does not a classic game make

06-26-2006, 11:28 AM	#113
kornbred	Re: Character modelling is rubbish! The Character models in the demo rail scene look good to me. Movement looks fluid. The only complaint I have is Grandpa's hair it is really blocky even for a last gen game. Still that is minor. The games looks great and the gameplay rocks balls.

06-26-2006, 11:32 AM	#115
brandon105	Re: Character modelling is rubbish! ...you can't even understand my post, what im saying is that just because the graphics aren't prefect...they are still good, and the gameplay is amazing which is what counts. Learn to read my post and think before talking. You could have a crappy game where you walk around in one room with the most realistic graphics ever...but there would be no point in playing it because there would be no objective to make you thrive for an ending...now go think about that.

06-26-2006, 11:56 AM	#117
brandon105	Re: Character modelling is rubbish! sorry if I sounded too harsh

06-26-2006, 02:16 PM	#118
AWE300	Re: Character modelling is rubbish! honestly, chances are the models you saw are not absolutely top notch because you don't see them often anyways. But I liked what I saw, if I didn't see this thread I wouldn't even imagine someone could call the graphics of prey bad

06-27-2006, 01:42 AM	#120
sgt Boundford	Re: Character modelling is rubbish! Could some one post a picture to show how bad or good the prey character modelling is? If the characters are badly made then ill be a litttle dissapointed, due to the fact that I pay more attention to characters than any thing else. They are essentially what makes a FPS game worth playing, because its only in an FPS game that you can get so close to them.