New EDuke32 renderer! - Page 3

DeeperThought · 04-01-2009, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Rider

I want to believe this is all coming... but the skeptic in me is nagging me about how this is all just VERY well orchestrated and it IS april fools... and it IS too good to be true...

By that logic, your skeptic should conclude that this is all an illusion and you are living in the Matrix. Uh, except for the last part about it being too good to be true.

William Gee · 04-01-2009, 08:27 PM

So this means no more shading rite? how do lights work in this?

TerminX · 04-01-2009, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by The Commander

http://tinyurl.com/cvmz95

Idiotic. He didn't ask what a GPU is, he asked what the GPU line in the log is for. The big shader program used in the new renderer uses a bitfield to mark which graphical effects are enabled.

Tea Monster · 04-01-2009, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Daedolon

Can't you make an option to enable the HRP normal maps for the classic tiles -- after all, they're based on them so most of them would have all the bumps and whatnot in the exact same spots.

No.

No they don't.

It will look horrific.

Steve · 04-01-2009, 08:53 PM

Those shots are looking pretty sexy

MusicallyInspired · 04-01-2009, 09:37 PM

Just saw the video. Never noticed it. Looks niiiiice.

IceColdDuke · 04-01-2009, 09:55 PM

Interesting...can't wait to play it

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d3ad connection · 04-01-2009, 09:58 PM

This is awesome!

04-01-2009, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by IceColdDuke

Interesting...can't wait to play it

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I second that emotion...

Who do we need to kill in order to get a copy.... Tell me - TELL ME!!!!

Kalki · 04-01-2009, 11:58 PM

This thread gets a "Holy Shit!" from me.

IceColdDuke · 04-02-2009, 12:20 AM

Im assuming by the topic change that its not DirectX 10 based, but are you guys using SM 4.0 features? That reflection while "too reflective" does looks bad ass...

That would be irriating if you guys were using OpenGL 3.0, sense win7 doesnt have decent drivers for OpenGL 3.0 yet :|.

TerminX · 04-02-2009, 12:23 AM

I think it's all OpenGL 2.1 stuff.

IceColdDuke · 04-02-2009, 12:27 AM

Thanks TerminX, so the next question is when is going to be released?

Malgon · 04-02-2009, 01:21 AM

The shots look sweet.

Daedolon · 04-02-2009, 01:40 AM

Hope you guys are working on lights that can be turned on/off with cyclers and sectoreffectors.

Anyway, damn, this is great news. Looks almost too awesome.

Geoffrey · 04-02-2009, 01:53 AM

Dude! This is insane - mappers and modders all over the world are going to be singing your praise. I'm not going to try to join the technobabble in this thread, just letting you know that you're doing something great and I'll be refreshing this thread vigourously

Daedolon · 04-02-2009, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Geoffrey

Dude! This is insane - mappers and modders all over the world are going to be singing your praise. I'm not going to try to join the technobabble in this thread, just letting you know that you're doing something great and I'll be refreshing this thread vigourously

I know. Yet, I'm baffled about the lack of replies in this thread, you'd think all the modders all over the world would be drooling over this (I know they are), but then again, that's the Duke community to you.

Roma Loom · 04-02-2009, 02:20 AM

Marry me Plagman <3

I feel a hellawhack shiznit happening inside my brizzle ©_•

Cyrix · 04-02-2009, 02:28 AM

oooo purty and shiny *drools*

Iggy · 04-02-2009, 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Daedolon

I know. Yet, I'm baffled about the lack of replies in this thread, you'd think all the modders all over the world would be drooling over this (I know they are), but then again, that's the Duke community to you.

Maybe the most reactions will start rolling in when players can play it and see it in motion. Of course it looks great and I'm curious to see what it does with existing maps and mods. Seeing your own maps with a graphic level of this kind should be quite a sight.

I'll try posting a newsmessage about this on D4E but I'm having some stupid problem with it. I can't use my own admin panel so I'll just have to insert it directly into the DB myself.

Daedolon · 04-02-2009, 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Iggy

Maybe the most reactions will start rolling in when players can play it and see it in motion.

Yeah, that's true.

I'm hoping this will help me release at least some of my mods since it totally eliminates having to manually do shading to textures.

moggimus · 04-02-2009, 03:46 AM

All I can say is it looks awesome, can't wait to play it. Looks like I'll actually be using the HRP for once.

supergoofy · 04-02-2009, 04:16 AM

Question: Is this renderer DirectX 10 or OpenGL 2.1 ?
Please don't force me moving to Vista. I hate them.

The Cool One · 04-02-2009, 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by supergoofy

Question: Is this renderer DirectX 10 or OpenGL 2.1 ?
Please don't force me moving to Vista. I hate them.

Eduke32 is for Windows AND Linux, what do you think?

moggimus · 04-02-2009, 04:38 AM

The DX10 requirement was the only part about this that was a joke.

Puritan · 04-02-2009, 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Daedolon

I know. Yet, I'm baffled about the lack of replies in this thread, you'd think all the modders all over the world would be drooling over this (I know they are), but then again, that's the Duke community to you.

Starting a topic such as this one on april 1'st doesn't exactly generate hordes of over-enthusiastic repliers...

foleyben · 04-02-2009, 04:46 AM

I can really imagine all this stuff being created when Duke Nukem Forever comes out.

Bad Sector · 04-02-2009, 05:19 AM

I noticed there are dynamic shadows in the toiler, but not in from the light emitted by the rocket. Is this a technical limitation or its just a configuration thing?

Also which method do you use for the shadows?

I assume that it'll be possible to create "patches/hacks" for the existing maps to add proper dynamic lights, right? :-)

Parkar · 04-02-2009, 05:24 AM

Only spotlights cast shadows.

The shadow technique used is shadow mapping.

Statically placed lights can be added using maphacks.

Micki! · 04-02-2009, 05:32 AM

This looks really impressive..! You guys are doing a splendid job with all these effects, but make sure it's not being over-used once released...

I'd love to see advanced lighting in the original 8-bit classic graphics... I'm fond of the original sprites and pixelated look, but things such as light trails from rockets and energy weapons, and red/yellow'ish glows from explosions would be a great addition...

Kristian Joensen · 04-02-2009, 05:35 AM

"Only spotlights casts shadows."

Is this a technical limitation?

"The shadow technique used is shadow mapping."

Just plain Shadow Mapping or do you do some filtering or anything like that?

"Statically placed lights can be added using maphacks."

How about dynamic ones, or did I misunderstand this as supporting dynamic lights?

Edit:

In my rush to ask questions I completely forgot to tell you guys have awesome this is, I really appreciate all the hard work you guys(Parkar, Plagman, TerminX and all the HRP guys as well as EDuke32 modders) have put into the Duke3D community. Thank you.

Altered Reality · 04-02-2009, 05:44 AM

Assuming this is real, what are the requirements?

PimpUigi · 04-02-2009, 06:07 AM

First post updated with requirements.

Parkar · 04-02-2009, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Kristian Joensen

"Only spotlights casts shadows."

Is this a technical limitation?

"The shadow technique used is shadow mapping."

Just plain Shadow Mapping or do you do some filtering or anything like that?

"Statically placed lights can be added using maphacks."

How about dynamic ones, or did I misunderstand this as supporting dynamic lights?

Edit:

In my rush to ask questions I completely forgot to tell you guys have awesome this is, I really appreciate all the hard work you guys(Parkar, Plagman, TerminX and all the HRP guys as well as EDuke32 modders) have put into the Duke3D community. Thank you.

Plagman probably has good answers for those questions as to what is planned. Something to keep in mind though is that shadows only got added like a few days ago. A bunch of other eye candy stuff was added only recently. In other words I don't think anything is really final yet as far as details like this go. It's mostly just a matter of shader code.

With statically placed I only mean statically placed. They are in now way limited other then what the light hacks let them do yet. They could be made to move around turn on off etc.

Kristian Joensen · 04-02-2009, 06:30 AM

Okay, cool. Thanks for the answers.

Rider · 04-02-2009, 06:36 AM

YOU MEAN THIS IS REAL THEN????

Good sweet lord... oh my friggin' bob... this is just... wow... awesome... incredible... I can't believe this...

YOU GUYS RULE!!

Seriously, epic work guys!

Spiker · 04-02-2009, 06:52 AM

I pity those guys that want to use all these effects in classic mode. It's like putting the F1 engine into a bicycle = ridicuouls.

IMO if you can stand 8 bit pixelioze then you can stand having only improved lighting.

Making different textures for sprites wouldn't make it look much better anyway.

SyntaxN · 04-02-2009, 07:02 AM

Shiiiit

And i thought this was last years April Fools 2.0, this looks awesome!
Looks better than Forever

foleyben · 04-02-2009, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by syntaxn

shiiiit

And i thought this was last years april fools 2.0, this looks awesome!
Looks better than forever

dont say that! George may restart making dnf again!

gungriffon geona · 04-02-2009, 07:19 AM

Curiously, how is it you managed a brand new rendering system that goes past Polymost? for the longest time folks said 'that's never gonna happen, it'd take rebuilding the whole thing etc'. Just WHAT was going on that made this possible?

04-01-2009, 08:27 PM	#82
William Gee	Re: New EDuke32 DirectX 10 renderer! So this means no more shading rite? how do lights work in this? __________________ WGRealms.com

04-01-2009, 08:53 PM	#85
Steve	Re: New EDuke32 DirectX 10 renderer! Those shots are looking pretty sexy

04-01-2009, 09:37 PM	#86
MusicallyInspired	Re: New EDuke32 DirectX 10 renderer! Just saw the video. Never noticed it. Looks niiiiice. __________________ Roland SC-55 Music Packs Website - MediaFire mirror for Duke3D expansions More SC-55 music packs coming soon...

04-01-2009, 09:55 PM	#87
IceColdDuke	Re: New EDuke32 DirectX 10 renderer! Interesting...can't wait to play it .

04-01-2009, 09:58 PM	#88
d3ad connection	Re: New EDuke32 DirectX 10 renderer! This is awesome!

04-01-2009, 11:58 PM	#90
Kalki	Re: New EDuke32 renderer! This thread gets a "Holy Shit!" from me. __________________ "Gentlemen, generations to follow will see us as the first pioneers of the internet. They will look upon our days as those of brave spirits and free ideals - where men were men, women were men and children were the FBI." Free Speech

04-02-2009, 12:20 AM	#91
IceColdDuke	Re: New EDuke32 renderer! Im assuming by the topic change that its not DirectX 10 based, but are you guys using SM 4.0 features? That reflection while "too reflective" does looks bad ass... That would be irriating if you guys were using OpenGL 3.0, sense win7 doesnt have decent drivers for OpenGL 3.0 yet :\|. Last edited by IceColdDuke; 04-02-2009 at 12:22 AM.

04-02-2009, 12:23 AM	#92
TerminX	Re: New EDuke32 renderer! I think it's all OpenGL 2.1 stuff. __________________ EDuke32 \| Duke4.net forums, the largest Duke Nukem 3D community on the Internet Visit #eduke32 on irc.freenode.net!

04-02-2009, 12:27 AM	#93
IceColdDuke	Re: New EDuke32 renderer! Thanks TerminX, so the next question is when is going to be released? Last edited by IceColdDuke; 04-02-2009 at 12:33 AM.

04-02-2009, 01:21 AM	#94
Malgon	Re: New EDuke32 renderer! The shots look sweet. __________________ -Most wanted games: Doom 4, Tomb Raider, Beyond Good and Evil 2

04-02-2009, 01:40 AM	#95
Daedolon	Re: New EDuke32 renderer! Hope you guys are working on lights that can be turned on/off with cyclers and sectoreffectors. Anyway, damn, this is great news. Looks almost too awesome. __________________ Duke Hard - 17 map episode for Duke Nukem 3D.

04-02-2009, 01:53 AM	#96
Geoffrey	Re: New EDuke32 renderer! Dude! This is insane - mappers and modders all over the world are going to be singing your praise. I'm not going to try to join the technobabble in this thread, just letting you know that you're doing something great and I'll be refreshing this thread vigourously __________________ "if we fill survival with particles then we can compete with modern games" - James

04-02-2009, 02:20 AM	#98
Roma Loom	Re: New EDuke32 renderer! Marry me Plagman <3 I feel a hellawhack shiznit happening inside my brizzle ©_• __________________ GRPViewer, DN3D/SW Models Last edited by Roma Loom; 04-02-2009 at 02:23 AM.

04-02-2009, 02:28 AM	#99
Cyrix	Re: New EDuke32 renderer! oooo purty and shiny drools

04-02-2009, 03:46 AM	#102
moggimus	Re: New EDuke32 renderer! All I can say is it looks awesome, can't wait to play it. Looks like I'll actually be using the HRP for once.

04-02-2009, 04:16 AM	#103
supergoofy	Re: New EDuke32 renderer! Question: Is this renderer DirectX 10 or OpenGL 2.1 ? Please don't force me moving to Vista. I hate them.

04-02-2009, 04:38 AM	#105
moggimus	Re: New EDuke32 renderer! The DX10 requirement was the only part about this that was a joke.

04-02-2009, 04:46 AM	#107
foleyben	Re: New EDuke32 renderer! I can really imagine all this stuff being created when Duke Nukem Forever comes out.

04-02-2009, 05:19 AM	#108
Bad Sector	Re: New EDuke32 renderer! I noticed there are dynamic shadows in the toiler, but not in from the light emitted by the rocket. Is this a technical limitation or its just a configuration thing? Also which method do you use for the shadows? I assume that it'll be possible to create "patches/hacks" for the existing maps to add proper dynamic lights, right? :-)

04-02-2009, 05:24 AM	#109
Parkar	Re: New EDuke32 renderer! Only spotlights cast shadows. The shadow technique used is shadow mapping. Statically placed lights can be added using maphacks. __________________ Action Unreal Tournament Duke Nukem 3D: High Resolution Pack HRP wiki: A HRP development tool Last edited by Parkar; 04-02-2009 at 05:28 AM.

04-02-2009, 05:32 AM	#110
Micki!	Re: New EDuke32 renderer! This looks really impressive..! You guys are doing a splendid job with all these effects, but make sure it's not being over-used once released... I'd love to see advanced lighting in the original 8-bit classic graphics... I'm fond of the original sprites and pixelated look, but things such as light trails from rockets and energy weapons, and red/yellow'ish glows from explosions would be a great addition... __________________ A true genius does not need boundaries such as 'common sense'

04-02-2009, 05:35 AM	#111
Kristian Joensen	Re: New EDuke32 renderer! "Only spotlights casts shadows." Is this a technical limitation? "The shadow technique used is shadow mapping." Just plain Shadow Mapping or do you do some filtering or anything like that? "Statically placed lights can be added using maphacks." How about dynamic ones, or did I misunderstand this as supporting dynamic lights? Edit: In my rush to ask questions I completely forgot to tell you guys have awesome this is, I really appreciate all the hard work you guys(Parkar, Plagman, TerminX and all the HRP guys as well as EDuke32 modders) have put into the Duke3D community. Thank you. __________________ The Philosophy Of Liberty, Chaos Theory Tachyons, Time Travel, and Divine Omniscience A Refutation of Moral Relativism(Transcript) Last edited by Kristian Joensen; 04-02-2009 at 05:40 AM.

04-02-2009, 05:44 AM	#112
Altered Reality	Re: New EDuke32 renderer! Assuming this is real, what are the requirements? __________________ [...] We view customers as complete morons that will never catch on and [...] we're lying to them all the time. (Gabe Newell, Valve) I'm the worst enemy in film-making and a completely talentless idiot. (Uwe Boll) Faith is why you are wrong. (Crosma)

04-02-2009, 06:07 AM	#113
PimpUigi	Re: New EDuke32 renderer! First post updated with requirements.

04-02-2009, 06:30 AM	#115
Kristian Joensen	Re: New EDuke32 renderer! Okay, cool. Thanks for the answers. __________________ The Philosophy Of Liberty, Chaos Theory Tachyons, Time Travel, and Divine Omniscience A Refutation of Moral Relativism(Transcript)

04-02-2009, 06:36 AM	#116
Rider	Re: New EDuke32 renderer! YOU MEAN THIS IS REAL THEN???? Good sweet lord... oh my friggin' bob... this is just... wow... awesome... incredible... I can't believe this... YOU GUYS RULE!! Seriously, epic work guys! __________________ Duke4.net - Duke's OTHER home. HeadbangersFM - The station that keeps your head banging! ------------- She's pretty, not "damn-she's-making-my-noodle-dance-samba"-pretty, but still very pretty... - Micki!

04-02-2009, 06:52 AM	#117
Spiker	Re: New EDuke32 renderer! I pity those guys that want to use all these effects in classic mode. It's like putting the F1 engine into a bicycle = ridicuouls. IMO if you can stand 8 bit pixelioze then you can stand having only improved lighting. Making different textures for sprites wouldn't make it look much better anyway.

04-02-2009, 07:02 AM	#118
SyntaxN	Re: New EDuke32 renderer! Shiiiit And i thought this was last years April Fools 2.0, this looks awesome! Looks better than Forever

04-02-2009, 07:19 AM	#120
gungriffon geona	Re: New EDuke32 renderer! Curiously, how is it you managed a brand new rendering system that goes past Polymost? for the longest time folks said 'that's never gonna happen, it'd take rebuilding the whole thing etc'. Just WHAT was going on that made this possible?