3DR "smaller studio now," "will continue to operate as a company"

[Sayantan]

Originally Posted by 3dwizzard

OMFG how bind are you people?
Can't any of you see the play on words in that text JESUS CHRIST!!!
They said they have let go the DNF team WHILE they regroup as a company!
This means that after they are done regrouping they are going to hire them back!

And then here is the another hint that DNF will be finished with the help of new developers and 3drealms co-operation!

They also said they have invested 20 MILLION$ into that game!
Do you seriously think that they are going to kill all those money?

This somehow makes sense. It also relates to the reason all the developers were smiling in that Goodbye pic.

[slapnutz]

I can see it now....

Mario, Sonic and Duke at the Olympics

Rock Band: Duke Nukem

Lego Duke Nukem

Wii Fit: Duke Nukem Extreme Workout!

[Mcclure5]

Look, I'm not going to officially say facts or whatever in this post..... but for real.. any of you with that have actually followed this and read the statement that 3dr made..

making it really simplified....................................


I make a game, I have a legacy.
Game not made yet.
I make a game, I have a legacy.
Game sold for 400k. (then ****** turok and went out of business)
I make a game, I have a damn legacy.
ok.
I make a game, I have a damn legacy..(and we need to update shit cuz we made a 40 gig game.. oops.)
ok............
I make a game, I have a legacy and damnit I am loyal.
Im sueing you!

That was suppose to be a type of humor that i probably failed at.... (and i will be qouted about it as "yes" about 40 times)

Really... though.. what im saying in that joke is real...

That company has a CEO that wants a product that he know will pull him out of a Crisis quick... and now that they have not completed Duke Nukem Forever inside this recession.. he really is wanting SOMETHING to keep take two alive.. ( 12 million dollars for 12 years... ((eyes open yet?))...

I didn't know so i read on it. Publishers do not .... have not.. will not pay THAT kind of money .... (not even sierra and half life two when them fools were BROKE). They are scared like the 40000 factories in this country...... and that is the simple fact...


Take + Two + Two = 3d realms wins..........

[RuskiSnajper.]

So this means 3DR is back , i mean , Joe will be the first to get back

Come on at least you , you run the servers and the forum and keeping this community alive.


And Joe please look the messages from me.

[Moocowjr]

Originally Posted by Boosh

Didja read the press release?



They can continue to work on the game. Granted, without a dev team, that may prove... difficult

The release also said that 3DR retains "certain rights" to sell DNF directly to the public. I wonder....

Yeah, I noticed that bit after I posted

[jam287]

Originally Posted by naddie

Those who feel that 3DR should sell their Duke IP just don't understand the value of the IP. If 3DR is going to sell the IP, it would be at the right price. It'll be stupid to sell such a valuable IP, since a lot of money could be made from selling Duke and his likeness in movies, games, and other merchandise.

Basically, those who are for Take Two getting the Duke IP are not thinking about the whole picture.

If you were the owner of 3D Realms, would you sell your most valuable asset for peanuts?

Put it another way - would you sell the golden goose?

With 3DR, nothing will happen with Duke. They have no connections, no work in progresses, no money, and no employees. They can't do much with Duke in this situation except hold on to him. With Take Two, Duke can be made into movies, games, toys, etc. once again and people would have more faith in Duke then. So it's basically like, give Duke up and let somebody else make money with him, or hold on to him and nobody makes any money.

[Mcclure5]

Holy s H i T lets do some math.... and lets do some under estimated math at THAT....

Prey - 20 bucks a pop - ( (MINIMUM) 7 million copies sold)
that = 14 million dollars.

Max Payne MOVIE ONLY - (minimum made 10 million dollars)

That = 24 million dollars.


AND THAT... (I KNOW MY MATH.... HAHAHA........ IS UNDERESTIMATING)

THIS being EXTREMELY LOW pay outs of what they actually done, AS A 17 MAN COMPANY.... SOO

They spend 18 MILLION dollars on WoW subscriptions... that leaves them with enough money to reproduce the game they spent 20 million dollars on in 12 years...................................... They are not out of money...... stop being so nieve

[3dwizzard]

Originally Posted by Mcclure5

Holy s H i T lets do some math.... and lets do some under estimated math at THAT....

Prey - 20 bucks a pop - ( (MINIMUM) 7 million copies sold)
that = 14 million dollars.

Max Payne MOVIE ONLY - (minimum made 10 million dollars)

That = 24 million dollars.


AND THAT... (I KNOW MY MATH.... HAHAHA........ IS UNDERESTIMATING)

THIS being EXTREMELY LOW pay outs of what they actually done, AS A 17 MAN COMPANY.... SOO

They spend 18 MILLION dollars on WoW subscriptions... that leaves them with enough money to reproduce the game they spent 20 million dollars on in 12 years...................................... They are not out of money...... stop being so nieve

Maybe not having funds anymore means that they are not willing to invest anymore in the game.
Who said that they have physically finished the green paper?
They could very well have a limit that if they reach they simply stop and say.
OK ENOUGH! We have spent too much already and anymore spending on this might be more spending than we will ever take out of the game after it sells.
So they simply decided to cut off the funding because they have reached a point where they don't wish to dig any deeper in the money well.

[conantheking]

I find it sad.

I can just imagine Duke being around for a few more spin off games and that is it, the end of Duke.

But I am shocked at what sounds like, Take Two trying to bully 3DR out of the Duke Nukem brand. Afterall they were victims once when EA tried to ruthlessly buy them out.

But yeah, this is business, it is greedy. You play games and they are fun but at the end of the day you have people in suits just desperate for cash, they run the show. Not small companies like 3DR which had a unique feel that they really were gamers just wanting to make a fun game.

[Mcclure5]

Originally Posted by 3dwizzard

Maybe not having funds anymore means that they are not willing to invest anymore in the game.
Who said that they have physically finished the green paper?
They could very well have a limit that if they reach they simply stop and say.
OK ENOUGH! We have spent too much already and anymore spending on this might be more spending than we will ever take out of the game after it sells.
So they simply decided to cut off the funding because they have reached a point where they don't wish to dig any deeper in the money well.

Then why .. please explain to me.. why would they put a public OFFICIAL release saying they are going to finish the game indepently.

[Caine]

what do they want with such a great ip when they dont release games on that ip?

wasting the potential! ridiculous!

[Drazula]

Wow, you guys read way too much between the lines. You need to stick with the facts.

How is Take 2 the villains when they really did pay $12 million for DNF and they are not getting it? Then 3DR, who has been saying all along that they are self funding suddenly wants funding. After TWELVE years they need more time and money to finish the game.

Would you give them the money? Honestly, if you say 'yes', get very familiar with bankruptcy law. You are going to need it.

[Mcclure5]

Originally Posted by conantheking

I find it sad.

I can just imagine Duke being around for a few more spin off games and that is it, the end of Duke.

But I am shocked at what sounds like, Take Two trying to bully 3DR out of the Duke Nukem brand. Afterall they were victims once when EA tried to ruthlessly buy them out.

But yeah, this is business, it is greedy. You play games and they are fun but at the end of the day you have people in suits just desperate for cash, they run the show. Not small companies like 3DR which had a unique feel that they really were gamers just wanting to make a fun game.

I find it sad that i am going to qoute a one liner from a movie.

You Cannot Destroy an Idea. ( V for Vendetta)

[3dwizzard]

Originally Posted by conantheking

I find it sad.

I can just imagine Duke being around for a few more spin off games and that is it, the end of Duke.

But I am shocked at what sounds like, Take Two trying to bully 3DR out of the Duke Nukem brand. Afterall they were victims once when EA tried to ruthlessly buy them out.

But yeah, this is business, it is greedy. You play games and they are fun but at the end of the day you have people in suits just desperate for cash, they run the show. Not small companies like 3DR which had a unique feel that they really were gamers just wanting to make a fun game.

That's what happens. It's the survival of the fittest rule.
Big people bully small people and after the small people get bullied, they search to bully something too so they find kids.
EA bullied take two and take two couldn't bully other publishers and bullied 3drealms.

[Delicieuxz]

Originally Posted by conantheking

but at the end of the day you have people in suits just desperate for cash, they ruin the show.

Adjusted for sincerity.

[Babe]

Now that 3DR has issued a massage saying that they are re-grouping, I can assume what will happen. As we can see George and Scott are still together, which means after selling those shitty Duke Nukem Triology games for kids, they are hoping to make enough money to re-create a smaller team to finish Duke Nukem Forever back. Now this smaller team may included a few from the old team I am assuming from common sense.I still am banking on George to finish off a game thats more then 90% done in all probability to finish it and release it.

And whats with this "they have to restart with a new engine to make the game visually competitive" nonsense ? I tell you what, even Quake 3 looks gorgeous today. And DNF will most probably have an Unreal Engine 3/Prey looks and that should be good and great enough even for coming five years. Honestly when we started moving away from pixeleted graphics in Unreal to non-pixeleted graphics in Unreal Gold, the graphics standard will never be outdated. Play Unreal Gold people, its graphics still wows you, and we are taking about graphics with Unreal Engine 3 looks in DNF and think it is going to be outdated !! Nonsense. Just go and check the quality of resolutions in present console games. Then check the quality of graphics in UTIII in PC. And shut up and dont preach nonsense.

[Mcclure5]

Again, you cannot bully an idea....... there are three things in life that an individual can have that makes him unstoppable.....

Determination, Ambition, and expierence.

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Originally Posted by Babe

Now that 3DR has issued a massage saying that they are re-grouping, I can assume what will happen. As we can see George and Scott are still together, which means after selling those shitty Duke Nukem Triology games for kids, they are hoping to make enough money to re-create a smaller team to finish Duke Nukem Forever back. Now this smaller team may included a few from the old team I am assuming from common sense.I still am banking on George to finish off a game thats more then 90% done in all probability to finish it and release it.

And whats with this "they have to restart with a new engine to make the game visually competitive" nonsense ? I tell you what, even Quake 3 looks gorgeous today. And DNF will most probably have an Unreal Engine 3/Prey looks and that should be good and great enough even for coming five years. Honestly when we started moving away from pixeleted graphics in Unreal to non-pixeleted graphics in Unreal Gold, the graphics standard will never be outdated. Play Unreal Gold people, its graphics still wows you, and we are taking about graphics with Unreal Engine 3 looks in DNF and think it is going to be outdated !! Nonsense. Just go and check the quality of resolutions in present console games. Then check the quality of graphics in UTIII in PC. And shut up and dont preach nonsense.

I stopped reading your post when you said "sh itty duke nukem trilogy" ..... 3dr is not developing, creating, or doing anything or getting anything from that .... that is publisher only rights to gain money..... 2nd hand developers are creating those games................\


do you REALLY think take two is going to give 3d realms money after sueing them??????? think before you speak guys

[Caine]

Originally Posted by Babe

Now that 3DR has issued a massage saying that they are re-grouping, I can assume what will happen. As we can see George and Scott are still together, which means after selling those shitty Duke Nukem Triology games for kids, they are hoping to make enough money to re-create a smaller team to finish Duke Nukem Forever back. Now this smaller team may included a few from the old team I am assuming from common sense.I still am banking on George to finish off a game thats more then 90% done in all probability to finish it and release it.

And whats with this "they have to restart with a new engine to make the game visually competitive" nonsense ? I tell you what, even Quake 3 looks gorgeous today. And DNF will most probably have an Unreal Engine 3/Prey looks and that should be good and great enough even for coming five years. Honestly when we started moving away from pixeleted graphics in Unreal to non-pixeleted graphics in Unreal Gold, the graphics standard will never be outdated. Play Unreal Gold people, its graphics still wows you, and we are taking about graphics with Unreal Engine 3 looks in DNF and think it is going to be outdated !! Nonsense. Just go and check the quality of resolutions in present console games. Then check the quality of graphics in UTIII in PC. And shut up and dont preach nonsense.

for sure, i hate people who complain about old graphics!
it's nonsense as they fu** around with their own, played and enjoyed old games and after some time they hate them cause the graphics didnt update automatically? BS!
every graphicstyle is unique and has its own atmosphere.

but 3drealms are also graphicneeders, they could release the game as the 2001 version, it looked much more appealing to me (just look at the terminator!) than the new stuff which looks not so colourful i appreciated more (sure i have to see the final product if it will ever be released...), of course they also changed it i guess because they could make more interactivity perhaps. but well if they intended more to gameplay they would gave shit about the graphics as the duke is not up to date too (for me it's great!)

[3dwizzard]

Originally Posted by Mcclure5

Again, you cannot bully an idea....... there are three things in life that an individual can have that makes him unstoppable.....

Determination, Ambition, and expierence.

You cannot bully an idea, but you can hold it's achievement back for too much time until the idea becomes useless.
People do not care about the duke nukem name.
The ideal here is to have a new duke nukem fps game made by the original creators. This my friends has already been killed since duke nukem forever was not made by the exact same dev team that made dn3d!
The fact that 3drealms made it with george supervising it doesn't mean that the old dn3d team made dnf.
Why don't you people seem to understand that it was just George that was supervising stuff. The developers don't matter as long as George orders them to create something, any experienced developer can create what he is asked for the right amount of money.
For as far as I am concerned 3drealms could remain with just George as being the only member. As long as he can pay a different studio to make what he asks them to make, then duke nukem forever or what ever it's name will be, is going to reflect George's views upon it!

I am just assuming that DNF was not made by the same devs that made dn3d.
But if anybody could help me. Let's make a list of Dn3d devs and see which were still working on DNF until they were let go.

[Delicieuxz]

Originally Posted by Drazula

Wow, you guys read way too much between the lines. You need to stick with the facts.

How is Take 2 the villains when they really did pay $12 million for DNF and they are not getting it? Then 3DR, who has been saying all along that they are self funding suddenly wants funding. After TWELVE years they need more time and money to finish the game.

Would you give them the money? Honestly, if you say 'yes', get very familiar with bankruptcy law. You are going to need it.

It's unfortunate that someone as clearly simple as you would even imply that they've got it figured out.

The $12m wasn't paid to or made in any agreement with 3DR, which means that 3DR doesn't hold responsibility for their purchase decision or what it may or may not result in for Take 2. 3DR isn't responsible for Take 2's purchase. Why you're fighting for Take 2 is beyond me when we can see that they were trying to force 3DR into selling them the Duke Nukem IP at a liquidation price.

Academy Award winning drama.

That alone was worth the wait.

[Mcclure5]

Originally Posted by 3dwizzard

You cannot bully an idea, but you can hold it's achievement back for too much time until the idea becomes useless.
People do not care about the duke nukem name.
The ideal here is to have a new duke nukem fps game made by the original creators. This my friends has already been killed since duke nukem forever was not made by the exact same dev team that made dn3d!
The fact that 3drealms made it with george supervising it doesn't mean that the old dn3d team made dnf.
Why don't you people seem to understand that it was just George that was supervising stuff. The developers don't matter as long as George orders them to create something, any experienced developer can create what he is asked for the right amount of money.
For as far as I am concerned 3drealms could remain with just George as being the only member. As long as he can pay a different studio to make what he asks them to make, then duke nukem forever or what ever it's name will be, is going to reflect george's views upon it!

I am extremely glad you said this....

Why do you think it has taken so long for the game to develop............ These are young programmers / designers doing what a guy has been in business for 14 years says do..

He wants more then what they are capable of producing.. but magically they produce it... .... these guys will have a job and will be outstanding at it......

but consider this.... he is pressing them this hard.. and the ones that have been loyal to him..... the ones he has shown the standars to......this is the same exact standard i am sure him and ALL of his friends had when they were developing Duke 3d .

Do not underestimate the game by young developers when they have an expierenced guy leading them.

[Delicieuxz]

Originally Posted by Mcclure5

I stopped reading your post when you said "sh itty duke nukem trilogy" ..... 3dr is not developing, creating, or doing anything or getting anything from that .... that is publisher only rights to gain money..... 2nd hand developers are creating those games................\


do you REALLY think take two is going to give 3d realms money after sueing them??????? think before you speak guys

He didn't say 3DR were developing the Duke Trilogy, he said that after it brings in sales 3DR may have enough money to complete DNF.

He also didn't suggest that Take 2 was going to be giving them any money. Yes, please, do think before you speak.

[Stewwy]

Originally Posted by Moocowjr

Yep. Since 3DR are not allowed to modify the code while the lawsuit is ongoing, if this lawsuit takes any considerable amount of time the finish up, by the time DNF gets worked on again it will be dated, and they may even have to start over again...

Nope. The above post said that T2's temporary restraining order was denied, meaning 3DR can change the code and proceed forward. But the general lawsuit is still pending.

[Delicieuxz]

Originally Posted by Stewwy

Nope. The above post said that T2's temporary restraining order was denied, meaning 3DR can change the code and proceed forward. But the general lawsuit is still pending.

Yet 3DR weren't to appear in court to present why they should not be prohibited from altering the source until June 4. So this seems a little puzzling to me.

[Mcclure5]

Originally Posted by Delicieuxz

He didn't say 3DR were developing the Duke Trilogy, he said that after it brings in sales 3DR may have enough money to complete DNF.

He also didn't suggest that Take 2 was going to be giving them any money. Yes, please, do think before you speak.

And what i said... (again please speaking with thought) is that take two is not going to give them ANY f u c k i n g funding from a game they produce.... dude they have a law suit on this company... why in the **** would they give 3dr money without 3dr sueing?

[Caine]

Originally Posted by Mcclure5

I am extremely glad you said this....

Why do you think it has taken so long for the game to develop............ These are young programmers / designers doing what a guy has been in business for 14 years says do..

He wants more then what they are capable of producing.. but magically they produce it... .... these guys will have a job and will be outstanding at it......

but consider this.... he is pressing them this hard.. and the ones that have been loyal to him..... the ones he has shown the standars to......this is the same exact standard i am sure him and ALL of his friends had when they were developing Duke 3d .

Do not underestimate the game by young developers when they have an expierenced guy leading them.

why dont you and others open a george is the gaming dev god club?

man i really was impressed in the past but also if duke forever comes out and blows my sh*t out of my as*, he will still be the biggest joke for me in gaming history with all his admitted bad mistakes, bad managment, bad big talk etc.

[dino]

quality > quantity

who the hell wants 100 duke games if all of them would be worth less than a warm steaming pile of shit? No straight thinking gamer wants that.

in order to win new fans to the franchise you also have to pump out a title that can hold up to the competition in terms of visuals. If you wouldn't want to win a new generation of players with your newest game then you can stop developing altogether.

[Mcclure5]

Originally Posted by Caine

why dont you and others open a george is the gaming dev god club?

man i really was impressed in the past but also if duke forever comes out and blows my sh*t out of my as*, he will still be the biggest joke for me in gaming history with all his admitted bad mistakes, bad managment, bad big talk etc.

If you had press breathing down your neck while you were trying to live a normal life... and the biggest joke in history to you is one of the most popular game developers in the world.. period.. you would be cautious in what you say too, even to your mother.....

the fact he admitted to his mistakes already makes him more of a man then you simply because he is not afraid to admit them.... you are another of those pussies that will not start what they finish... ..... the reason you have this 4 year login is because you were once loyal and now you aren't .... you are another that has given up while the company that hasn't is making public world wide statements before the company that is sueing them......

you ready for your shit to be blown out? ... i hope you ate f u c k i n g tacos...

[3dwizzard]

I have not given up on duke nukem sequel.
I don't care if they will call it foreverer or 4d or Duke Nukem: Bankruptcy Savior
I just care to have a new duke nukem FPS game with duke's voice actor!
At this moment I will even settle for a fan made total conversion or mod!
If a team like the ones that are making "Black Mesa Source" would be behind a duke nukem mod, I would buy it!
I just want a duke nukem fps game and if it's approved by 3drealms even better!
The fact that dnf was made at 3drealms does not differ too much besides having George telling some young devs what to do.

Like I have said already, the DNF dev team was not the one that made DN3D!

[mysteryperfecta]

3dr's take sounds reasonable, but it doesn't change the fact that they were in a do-or-die situation of their own making, depending on Take 2 to be their knight in shining armor.

It reminds me of George Bailey slinking to Mr. Potter, tail between legs, asking for money, and instead of helping, Mr. Potter calls the police.

[Mcclure5]

all of you hating f u c k s are done now huh...


This game will be made................ period........

[Caine]

Originally Posted by Mcclure5

If you had press breathing down your neck while you were trying to live a normal life... and the biggest joke in history to you is one of the most popular game developers in the world.. period.. you would be cautious in what you say too, even to your mother.....

the fact he admitted to his mistakes already makes him more of a man then you simply because he is not afraid to admit them.... you are another of those pussies that will not start what they finish... ..... the reason you have this 4 year login is because you were once loyal and now you aren't .... you are another that has given up while the company that hasn't is making public world wide statements before the company that is sueing them......

you ready for your shit to be blown out? ... i hope you ate f u c k i n g tacos...

well see you are beginning to get very personal, i won't be getting to your level and insult others like you but also EA admitted mistakes, laugh..... irony.

[3rdmillhouse]

Originally Posted by Mcclure5

Holy s H i T lets do some math.... and lets do some under estimated math at THAT....

Prey - 20 bucks a pop - ( (MINIMUM) 7 million copies sold)
that = 14 million dollars.

Max Payne MOVIE ONLY - (minimum made 10 million dollars)

That = 24 million dollars.


AND THAT... (I KNOW MY MATH.... HAHAHA........ IS UNDERESTIMATING)

THIS being EXTREMELY LOW pay outs of what they actually done, AS A 17 MAN COMPANY.... SOO

They spend 18 MILLION dollars on WoW subscriptions... that leaves them with enough money to reproduce the game they spent 20 million dollars on in 12 years...................................... They are not out of money...... stop being so nieve

Heads up, reality is gonna kick you in the balls in t minus 8 seconds. Brace your self. Do you know for a fact that Prey sold 7 millions units? And if it did, what was the price tag? The 20 bucks you just said, or the 5 bucks price at Steam? And about the movie, those 24 million, how much of it went to the studios and how much of it went to 3dRealms? And since 3dRealms no longer owns the Max Payne ip, did any of that money go to them?

[Mcclure5]

Originally Posted by 3dwizzard

I have not given up on duke nukem sequel.
I don't care if they will call it foreverer or 4d or Duke Nukem: Bankruptcy Savior
I just care to have a new duke nukem FPS game with duke's voice actor!
At this moment I will even settle for a fan made total conversion or mod!
If a team like the ones that are making "Black Mesa Source" would be behind a duke nukem mod, I would buy it!
I just want a duke nukem fps game and if it's approved by 3drealms even better!
The fact that dnf was made at 3drealms does not differ too much besides having George telling some young devs what to do.

Like I have said already, the DNF dev team was not the one that made DN3D!

again about the young developers .... When time's change.. games change... they need to be created with the 'new' feel...... George (almost as a producer) has this feel.... and he is recruiting these young people to do things that they couldn't before... to actually work as a team... to work as a team without constriction and to do what feels good...... these guys are forever and always going to have a job... simply because of what they have expierence no one has.... a perfection expierence................. this is because of George Broussard.................... and his need to push them to that next step...........

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Originally Posted by 3rdmillhouse

Heads up, reality is gonna kick you in the balls in t minus 8 seconds. Brace your self. Do you know for a fact that Prey sold 7 millions units? And if it did, what was the price tag? The 20 bucks you just said, or the 5 bucks price at Steam? And about the movie, those 24 million, how much of it went to the studios and how much of it went to 3dRealms? And since 3dRealms no longer owns the Max Payne ip, did any of that money go to them?

no.. they gave it away for free... and get your money facts straight.... the numbers i estimated (as i posted) were EXTREMELY underestimated.................

so say they only made 5 million from it and still do the math.....

[Boosh]

Man, why do these threads always have to turn into flame wars...

[Mcclure5]

Originally Posted by Caine

well see you are beginning to get very personal, i won't be getting to your level and insult others like you but also EA admitted mistakes, laugh..... irony.

Personal... yes... it is personal to me............. but .... it doesn't change the fact that Take Two is attempting to gather money because of a financial Crisis ... ( i keep capitalizing Crysis for a reason) What would you do if your last prize possesion was scaring everyone into never coming out. Then..THEN.. having a supposed former member of 3DR saying that trailers were scripted.........

As for insulting, it is no more then you are insulting me for taking it personal. If it were not personal to you, it would not have bothered you enough to post a public message about what I said and how much it bothered you.

I am not insulting..... I am asking for people to have faith... just one more time.

[Thriller]

If nothing gets settled and they actually go to court, it would be funny if 3DR won and could sue them back for the coming years asshattery.

Im still keeping an open mind, but 3DRs press release is a great fit for what I actually expected; that Take2 might just have tried to crush 3DR and pick up the pieces in the bargain bin.

So good news so far, I think. Still wondering what agreement was made july 2008.

And since 3dRealms no longer owns the Max Payne ip, did any of that money go to them

They got more than that from MP. First all the royalties, and then they sold the IP. Where the money went, we dont know I guess. Maybe placed elsewhere. Does scott fund radar group?

EDIT: Realized you meant movie only, so I dont know. Still, they made a sh!tload from Max Payne.

[TonyPessimist]

Originally Posted by 3dwizzard

If a team like the ones that are making "Black Mesa Source" would be behind a duke nukem mod, I would buy it!

Jesus Christ! I think Black Mesa Source will be released before DNF! And they are a (very) small team

[3dwizzard]

Originally Posted by Mcclure5

again about the young developers .... When time's change.. games change... they need to be created with the 'new' feel...... George (almost as a producer) has this feel.... and he is recruiting these young people to do things that they couldn't before... to actually work as a team... to work as a team without constriction and to do what feels good...... these guys are forever and always going to have a job... simply because of what they have expierence no one has.... a perfection expierence................. this is because of George Broussard.................... and his need to push them to that next step...........

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no.. they gave it away for free... and get your money facts straight.... the numbers i estimated (as i posted) were EXTREMELY underestimated.................

so say they only made 5 million from it and still do the math.....

No I don't see it that way.
Not having the whole team that produced something awesome(dn3d in our case) and then producing a sequel with the same company but new devs is not guaranteed success! Quite the contrary actually.
Duke nukem 3d had a feeling to it that was also given by certain art style that only those exact people have the ability to create. Other people look at dn3d and see something in it while others see something else. When you are making a sequel with people that are seeing only parts of the game and trying to reproduce them as best as they can, that's when you have a problem with the sequel.
You say that new times deserve new younger devs with fresh new ideas.
I say, how would you like to see some James Cameron Or Steven Spielberg movie sequels not directed nor written by them?
My point is that, while you can have a sequel that in some rare cases might be quite good and in some VERY RARE cases can even better than the first one, you will never going to be able to have the magic ambient of the first title, if you are not using the exact same hands and brains that worked at the first one! This is FACT!

Look at Terminator 4 now. It might be as good as the older ones but not because it's like the old ones, but because it's something completely different and done with good actors and high budget. Or it could be a complete crap like the majority of today's movies.

What pisses me off is that people are getting angry and upset that the old dnf devs will not work at dnf to finish it. Well the game could be finished from where it is now with other teams also, what's the problem with that?
Maybe the game is at such a level of progress that anybody could finish the remaining tasks without influencing the previous devs work.
If all 3d models were done and the maps were almost finished, any other devs could pick up and finish them looking at the drawing board!