High Resolution Pack discussion thread. - Page 26

alandog · 04-26-2009, 05:26 AM

quite frankly, I'm hoping that someone will still go on the models like before, not that I'm not interested on the new renderer, but it could take a very lot of time and work before reaching the actual size and quantity of models... moreover, most people still don't have a top notch pc (like myself), and won't be able to use the renderer correctly.
that's why I think that it's better to finish the rest of the models, and eventually bring on a new "hrp detail model pack or whatever" separately...

oh, and escapist, don't let this bad event bring you down, we are patient you know... and we still want to see you at work again

The Commander · 04-26-2009, 05:34 AM

There is still a few models that need to be converted from MD2 format to MD3 for the new render.

Blade Nightflame · 04-26-2009, 05:40 AM

Guess there's still the issue of lighting up the original maps then. I know that Plagman's working on E1L1 as is.

chicken · 04-26-2009, 07:11 AM

@escapist: I'm feel really sorry for you, man. Hope to see you back in business in some time!

I have right now taken a break from modeling. I want to see how it all works out with the new renderer, how to make normal maps and all that.
Ah yeah, and i have to buy a new machine first, the one i'm using is 7-8 years old.
But i'm mapping at the moment.

Tea Monster · 04-26-2009, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Rider

Heh, I'm hoping everyone's secretly working on Million poly models of everything to create the ingame models off of

I actually WAS, until everyone said "Don't bother" so I moved on to other projects.

If you check my last post, the models of a game such as Doom III aren't too far above the level of detail we have in the HRP at the moment. It should be possible to "LOD-out" (

) some lower poly versions of what is created for the NG-HRP (Next Gen HRP) for the 'regular' HRP.

Rider · 05-03-2009, 04:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tea Monster

I actually WAS, until everyone said "Don't bother" so I moved on to other projects.

IMO you should just keep at it. It may not be feasible yet, but once the Polymer release gets out, it'd be awesome if there was one already "truely NG" model ready to be put in. Probably'll get the new content flowing as well.

Tea Monster · 05-03-2009, 08:26 AM

I've been waiting 2 years to make a NG Duke critter, so yeah, I'll be making something. But I did get involved in another project (actually 2). And I have to finish that up first.

I was going to start with either a new Cycloid or the Enforcer.

DeeperThought · 05-03-2009, 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tea Monster

I was going to start with either a new Cycloid or the Enforcer.

Is there any possibility we could persuade you to do the liztroop instead? The Cycloid and Enforcer are already the two best enemy models, so you would just be making an already good model better.

Parkar · 05-03-2009, 10:13 AM

Just a little heads up if there are anyone out there thinking of starting on a highpoly model. I started on the Pig Cop a few years back and it's pretty far along. It has a decent highpoly base and a modeled, uv mapped and rigged lowpoly model. Whats left is detailing the highpoly and doing the textures.

I'll probably get to work on it again once we have normal mapping on models. If anyone is impatient and wants to give the highpoly sclupt ago already I am all for it, just let me know and I i'll send what I have.

Tea Monster · 05-03-2009, 10:29 AM

Cool stuff Parkar! What poly count are you aiming at on the game model?

Deeper Thought - You mean the thing with the black armor and the chaingun with a blade on the bottom? I think we are talking about the same thing.

Jokke_r · 05-03-2009, 10:51 AM

I think he means the "default" trooper enemy, the first one you encounter in the game.

DeeperThought · 05-03-2009, 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tea Monster

Deeper Thought - You mean the thing with the black armor and the chaingun with a blade on the bottom? I think we are talking about the same thing.

No, that's the Enforcer (defined internally as LIZMAN). I'm talking about LIZTROOP, the basic weak enemy lizard trooper with a jetpack that is in every level.

Spiker · 05-03-2009, 11:05 AM

In short you have to model a big flying worm with a laser pisol

Plagman · 05-03-2009, 11:14 AM

I don't know about you guys, but I think the LIZTROOP is vastly superior to the LIZMAN. The LIZMAN skin could use a lot of work in my opinion.

3D Master · 05-03-2009, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Plagman

I don't know about you guys, but I think the LIZTROOP is vastly superior to the LIZMAN. The LIZMAN skin could use a lot of work in my opinion.

Are you crazy? The LIZTROOP is a pile of shit, sorry to say. It's too big, it's too bulky, it's head is too large and too square. It's skin is far too bright, it's ffing fluorescent for chrise' sakes. Compare it too the original and you see it's different in every shape and form. The original is narrow, has subdued almost camouflage colored clothes, and it's head is that of a lizard - elongated - it's in essence a cousin of the enforcer or the LIZMAN. Someone should make a comparison picture of the LIZTROOP as they did for the Enforcer and you can see the vast differences.

The LIZMAN in contrast, is practically perfect. It's skin is a little too bright, and it could use a tweak here and there, but it is essentially it.

Spiker · 05-03-2009, 11:40 AM

To resolve the dispute let's remodel and reskin both

3D Master · 05-03-2009, 11:50 AM

Starting with the LIZTROOP since it needs it more.

Tea Monster · 05-03-2009, 12:56 PM

More than likely, ALL the critters will get re-done. I personally prefer the Liztroop to the Lizman.

I don't think anyone has done a NG-HRP thread yet, but here is the normal map for the pirate ship texture 2920.

3D Master · 05-03-2009, 01:04 PM

Uh, shouldn't those be in the/a texture thread?

Parkar · 05-03-2009, 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tea Monster

More than likely, ALL the critters will get re-done. I personally prefer the Liztroop to the Lizman.

I don't think anyone has done a NG-HRP thread yet, but here is the normal map for the pirate ship texture 2920.

Seems like the texture has mixed up axis which makes it look really odd. IE up and down is left and right. At least thats what happens in crazy bump when I load it there.

Parkar · 05-03-2009, 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tea Monster

Cool stuff Parkar! What poly count are you aiming at on the game model?

He is at 2036 polygons at this point but I think we could go as far as 3000 if needed.

Here are a few shots using the current plain texture and normal map from the "unsculpted" highpoly version.

Edit: looking at him again I can seee a lot of things that I would like to change., bigger muscles and try to make the head shorter again to name just two.

05-03-2009, 07:05 PM

Also... (And I say this as someone who couldn't model to save their life, but does love the Duke 3D Game so VERY MUCH)

Also... if you can try and make the bottom of the trousers ripped on the new pig, because aren't the Pig Cops supposed to be mutated Cops? Makes them look more trungent... and the ears should be pointed (or pointier)

Also I think the snout needs to be shorted to match the original... but other than that - it's looking fricking brilliant.

Jokke_r · 05-03-2009, 07:17 PM

Some points of improvements i'd like to suggest on the new pigcop.

1. He needs to be more "hunched" ie more of a bulge on his back
2. Arms slightly shorter.
3. Eyes meaner, bigger brow.
4. Shorter face with a slight underbite abd bigger teeth.

Face could be a bit more like the action figure:

http://www.3drealms.com/actionfigures/images/pigcop.jpg

meh i like to nitpick

Keep up the good work.

moggimus · 05-03-2009, 09:14 PM

Shorten the nose and make the eyes more sinister like the original.

Parkar · 05-04-2009, 01:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Piano Man

Also... (And I say this as someone who couldn't model to save their life, but does love the Duke 3D Game so VERY MUCH)

Also... if you can try and make the bottom of the trousers ripped on the new pig, because aren't the Pig Cops supposed to be mutated Cops? Makes them look more trungent... and the ears should be pointed (or pointier)

Also I think the snout needs to be shorted to match the original... but other than that - it's looking fricking brilliant.

The pants will be ripped by using the alpha channel.

Overall he needs a bit more character.

movento · 05-04-2009, 02:40 AM

Parkar,did you use a sculpting program for the highpoly version?
If not,it could really use a zbrush/mudbox pass for some more details.More defined folds and muscles and such.
That picture jokke_r posted is a good example.
What is the texture size btw?
Is there a new stripper model needed? i have one laying around (with normal and specular maps) that i could edit a bit.It's is around 5000 triangles though,with a 1024x1024 texture.
Here's a picture of it(warning nudity)http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/8345/vrouw3dmarmo.jpg

3D Master · 05-04-2009, 03:02 AM

All of the strippers except for the original one with the opening bra need to be redone as far as I'm concerned. I've seen the newer stripper models and they look like drag queens; especially the S4 XXX-Stacy level ones.

gt1750 · 05-04-2009, 03:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by movento

Parkar,did you use a sculpting program for the highpoly version?
If not,it could really use a zbrush/mudbox pass for some more details.More defined folds and muscles and such.
That picture jokke_r posted is a good example.
What is the texture size btw?
Is there a new stripper model needed? i have one laying around (with normal and specular maps) that i could edit a bit.It's is around 5000 triangles though,with a 1024x1024 texture.
Here's a picture of it(warning nudity)http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/8345/vrouw3dmarmo.jpg

That looks pretty good. If you remove the hat, add a bra, change the hair and iflate the boobies a bit, you have a great base model for all the babes and strippers in the game

BTW, how's your Duke model? Could it be used as well?

movento · 05-04-2009, 04:21 AM

I made a bra for the model,it kinda sucks and the texture for it is not done though.
How should i change the hair? Do you have some examples?

And yes,you could use my duke model if you want to.It is also around 5000 tri's and uses 1024x1024 diffuse,normal and specular textures.

Parkar · 05-04-2009, 04:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by movento

Parkar,did you use a sculpting program for the highpoly version?
If not,it could really use a zbrush/mudbox pass for some more details.More defined folds and muscles and such.
That picture jokke_r posted is a good example.
What is the texture size btw?
Is there a new stripper model needed? i have one laying around (with normal and specular maps) that i could edit a bit.It's is around 5000 triangles though,with a 1024x1024 texture.
Here's a picture of it(warning nudity)http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/8345/vrouw3dmarmo.jpg

Like I said the high poly model is not finished and has not gone through any sculpting yet.

Roma Loom · 05-04-2009, 04:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tea Monster

I don't think anyone has done a NG-HRP thread yet, but here is the normal map for the pirate ship texture 2920.

Among NGHRP thread it would really be neat to see something like perforce or svn thingy for the textures and models (though I'm not sure if the connection ports will be opened for me here at the office - but it would help other people to keep everything clean and simple)... just because I'm really interested in upgrading all my textures I have the source for to a new requirements.
Also it would be helpful if people start posting their diffuse/gloss/normal/glow maps in a zip file along with a jpg preview for all the stuff in the package.

i.e.
download #4304
preview

3D Master · 05-04-2009, 05:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by movento

I made a bra for the model,it kinda sucks and the texture for it is not done though.
How should i change the hair? Do you have some examples?

The jaw of the "babe" is too wide. She looks like a man. The shoulders are also too wide.

Tea Monster · 05-04-2009, 08:00 AM

Parkar - That is looking good. I don't know if you meant to make it more 'real' looking as opposed to the cartoony look of the sprite. To make it more like the sprite, the head has to have a more 'pyramid' shape, with the mohawk and the back of the head curving up to nearly meet the points of the tusks. The face needs a lot more attitude. You should already be able to see the hate in his eyes.

Movento - I really like all the subtle colors and anatomy on the skin. The only thing I would suggest changing is the face. It would benefit from a bit more petite-ness.

Roma Loom - That is a great idea. Having the original textures, and then the latest one beside it would be wonderful. If I had web hosting, I'd set something up. Besides, I've got no knowledge of java coding, which I suspect would make a project like this a LOT easier than HTML.

Parkar · 05-04-2009, 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roma Loom

Among NGHRP thread it would really be neat to see something like perforce or svn thingy for the textures and models (though I'm not sure if the connection ports will be opened for me here at the office - but it would help other people to keep everything clean and simple)... just because I'm really interested in upgrading all my textures I have the source for to a new requirements.
Also it would be helpful if people start posting their diffuse/gloss/normal/glow maps in a zip file along with a jpg preview for all the stuff in the package.

i.e.
download #4304
preview

We do have a SVN repository for the HRP but so far only me, my brother and Nightfright have been using it. It's located at home so I am not to willing to post the url publicly (I want some of the bandwidth for other use

). I am thinking we could include a few more people with access as a core team for the polymer HRP as a possible way of working. I am all ears for other sugestions though.

I am guessing the number of people who are capable of contributing is going to be a lot smaller then then for the current HRP so it might make sense to build up more of a team rather then just everyone submitting randomly.

Edit: Using something like SVN would be real nice due to all the def code that needs to be written. Much easier if the authors can just commit their updates rather then have me or Nightfright have to do a lot of copy pasting.

Plagman · 05-04-2009, 09:21 AM

If need be, I can host a public SVN server for HRP use.

alandog · 05-04-2009, 02:59 PM

woah, looks like something big is going on here!
my 2 cents about the babe: I generally like her shape and skin, but the face doesn't fit well and, more important, the boobs need to be bigger (I have to add this statement on my signature

)!

Rider · 05-04-2009, 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by movento

Parkar,did you use a sculpting program for the highpoly version?
If not,it could really use a zbrush/mudbox pass for some more details.More defined folds and muscles and such.

QFT.

I think your model is really coming along Parkar but I feel that actually sculpting the model will result in a lot of detail (muscles, facial) that would make it look a lot more "current gen". The Doom3 models can attest to that!

NightFright · 05-05-2009, 06:12 AM

@Roma and any others willing to provide normal textures:

While it is really appreciated you guys are already making normal map stuff, releases should probably be delayed until we actually have support for it in EDuke32. If you start posting them now, it would create too much confusion. It confuses me, at least. IMHO, right now, we shouldn't replace existing textures with ones that only look good with normal mapping enabled.

I'd suggest we wait for normal map support, and then a few guys work together on a collective pack which provides all normal maps at once (or at least specific parts at once, e.g. characters, props, textures etc.). This way, people like me would be much less worried about what can be added and what not.

Roma Loom · 05-05-2009, 06:58 AM

Sure.. It was just an example... My gloss texture doesn't meet the standards defined in the wiki.. Color glossmaps still scare me

I'm used to greyscale glossmaps and I don't know how to define all this extra stuff to test in polymer build I grabbed somewhere... So don't take this seriously

Jokke_r · 05-05-2009, 12:26 PM

Besides, normal maps could and probably should be like half the size of the diffuse texture, would save loads of memory and not compromise quality all that much. But thats a matter of opinion really.

05-03-2009, 07:05 PM	#1022
Piano Man Guest	Re: High Resolution Pack discussion thread. Also... (And I say this as someone who couldn't model to save their life, but does love the Duke 3D Game so VERY MUCH) Also... if you can try and make the bottom of the trousers ripped on the new pig, because aren't the Pig Cops supposed to be mutated Cops? Makes them look more trungent... and the ears should be pointed (or pointier) Also I think the snout needs to be shorted to match the original... but other than that - it's looking fricking brilliant.

04-26-2009, 05:26 AM	#1001
alandog	Re: High Resolution Pack discussion thread. quite frankly, I'm hoping that someone will still go on the models like before, not that I'm not interested on the new renderer, but it could take a very lot of time and work before reaching the actual size and quantity of models... moreover, most people still don't have a top notch pc (like myself), and won't be able to use the renderer correctly. that's why I think that it's better to finish the rest of the models, and eventually bring on a new "hrp detail model pack or whatever" separately... oh, and escapist, don't let this bad event bring you down, we are patient you know... and we still want to see you at work again Last edited by alandog; 04-26-2009 at 05:28 AM.

04-26-2009, 05:34 AM	#1002
The Commander	Re: High Resolution Pack discussion thread. There is still a few models that need to be converted from MD2 format to MD3 for the new render. __________________ I Know Everything There Is To Know About Anything. Duke Nukem Red Alert SVN Ask Me Anything!

04-26-2009, 05:40 AM	#1003
Blade Nightflame	Re: High Resolution Pack discussion thread. Guess there's still the issue of lighting up the original maps then. I know that Plagman's working on E1L1 as is. __________________

04-26-2009, 07:11 AM	#1004
chicken	Re: High Resolution Pack discussion thread. @escapist: I'm feel really sorry for you, man. Hope to see you back in business in some time! I have right now taken a break from modeling. I want to see how it all works out with the new renderer, how to make normal maps and all that. Ah yeah, and i have to buy a new machine first, the one i'm using is 7-8 years old. But i'm mapping at the moment.

05-03-2009, 08:26 AM	#1007
Tea Monster	Re: High Resolution Pack discussion thread. I've been waiting 2 years to make a NG Duke critter, so yeah, I'll be making something. But I did get involved in another project (actually 2). And I have to finish that up first. I was going to start with either a new Cycloid or the Enforcer. __________________ Tea Monster's web portfolio

05-03-2009, 10:13 AM	#1009
Parkar	Re: High Resolution Pack discussion thread. Just a little heads up if there are anyone out there thinking of starting on a highpoly model. I started on the Pig Cop a few years back and it's pretty far along. It has a decent highpoly base and a modeled, uv mapped and rigged lowpoly model. Whats left is detailing the highpoly and doing the textures. I'll probably get to work on it again once we have normal mapping on models. If anyone is impatient and wants to give the highpoly sclupt ago already I am all for it, just let me know and I i'll send what I have. __________________ Action Unreal Tournament Duke Nukem 3D: High Resolution Pack HRP wiki: A HRP development tool

05-03-2009, 10:29 AM	#1010
Tea Monster	Re: High Resolution Pack discussion thread. Cool stuff Parkar! What poly count are you aiming at on the game model? Deeper Thought - You mean the thing with the black armor and the chaingun with a blade on the bottom? I think we are talking about the same thing. __________________ Tea Monster's web portfolio

05-03-2009, 10:51 AM	#1011
Jokke_r	Re: High Resolution Pack discussion thread. I think he means the "default" trooper enemy, the first one you encounter in the game. __________________ I am Jack's smirking revenge.

05-03-2009, 11:05 AM	#1013
Spiker	Re: High Resolution Pack discussion thread. In short you have to model a big flying worm with a laser pisol

05-03-2009, 11:14 AM	#1014
Plagman	Re: High Resolution Pack discussion thread. I don't know about you guys, but I think the LIZTROOP is vastly superior to the LIZMAN. The LIZMAN skin could use a lot of work in my opinion. __________________ EDuke32 - "The corrupt doctrine of terror has begun."

05-03-2009, 11:40 AM	#1016
Spiker	Re: High Resolution Pack discussion thread. To resolve the dispute let's remodel and reskin both

05-03-2009, 11:50 AM	#1017
3D Master	Re: High Resolution Pack discussion thread. Starting with the LIZTROOP since it needs it more.

05-03-2009, 12:56 PM	#1018
Tea Monster	Re: High Resolution Pack discussion thread. More than likely, ALL the critters will get re-done. I personally prefer the Liztroop to the Lizman. I don't think anyone has done a NG-HRP thread yet, but here is the normal map for the pirate ship texture 2920. __________________ Tea Monster's web portfolio Last edited by Tea Monster; 05-03-2009 at 01:04 PM.

05-03-2009, 01:04 PM	#1019
3D Master	Re: High Resolution Pack discussion thread. Uh, shouldn't those be in the/a texture thread?

05-03-2009, 07:17 PM	#1023
Jokke_r	Re: High Resolution Pack discussion thread. Some points of improvements i'd like to suggest on the new pigcop. 1. He needs to be more "hunched" ie more of a bulge on his back 2. Arms slightly shorter. 3. Eyes meaner, bigger brow. 4. Shorter face with a slight underbite abd bigger teeth. Face could be a bit more like the action figure: http://www.3drealms.com/actionfigures/images/pigcop.jpg meh i like to nitpick Keep up the good work. __________________ I am Jack's smirking revenge.

05-03-2009, 09:14 PM	#1024
moggimus	Re: High Resolution Pack discussion thread. Shorten the nose and make the eyes more sinister like the original.

05-04-2009, 02:40 AM	#1026
movento	Re: High Resolution Pack discussion thread. Parkar,did you use a sculpting program for the highpoly version? If not,it could really use a zbrush/mudbox pass for some more details.More defined folds and muscles and such. That picture jokke_r posted is a good example. What is the texture size btw? Is there a new stripper model needed? i have one laying around (with normal and specular maps) that i could edit a bit.It's is around 5000 triangles though,with a 1024x1024 texture. Here's a picture of it(warning nudity)http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/8345/vrouw3dmarmo.jpg

05-04-2009, 03:02 AM	#1027
3D Master	Re: High Resolution Pack discussion thread. All of the strippers except for the original one with the opening bra need to be redone as far as I'm concerned. I've seen the newer stripper models and they look like drag queens; especially the S4 XXX-Stacy level ones.

05-04-2009, 04:21 AM	#1029
movento	Re: High Resolution Pack discussion thread. I made a bra for the model,it kinda sucks and the texture for it is not done though. How should i change the hair? Do you have some examples? And yes,you could use my duke model if you want to.It is also around 5000 tri's and uses 1024x1024 diffuse,normal and specular textures.

05-04-2009, 08:00 AM	#1033
Tea Monster	Re: High Resolution Pack discussion thread. Parkar - That is looking good. I don't know if you meant to make it more 'real' looking as opposed to the cartoony look of the sprite. To make it more like the sprite, the head has to have a more 'pyramid' shape, with the mohawk and the back of the head curving up to nearly meet the points of the tusks. The face needs a lot more attitude. You should already be able to see the hate in his eyes. Movento - I really like all the subtle colors and anatomy on the skin. The only thing I would suggest changing is the face. It would benefit from a bit more petite-ness. Roma Loom - That is a great idea. Having the original textures, and then the latest one beside it would be wonderful. If I had web hosting, I'd set something up. Besides, I've got no knowledge of java coding, which I suspect would make a project like this a LOT easier than HTML. __________________ Tea Monster's web portfolio

05-04-2009, 09:21 AM	#1035
Plagman	Re: High Resolution Pack discussion thread. If need be, I can host a public SVN server for HRP use. __________________ EDuke32 - "The corrupt doctrine of terror has begun."

05-04-2009, 02:59 PM	#1036
alandog	Re: High Resolution Pack discussion thread. woah, looks like something big is going on here! my 2 cents about the babe: I generally like her shape and skin, but the face doesn't fit well and, more important, the boobs need to be bigger (I have to add this statement on my signature )!

05-05-2009, 06:12 AM	#1038
NightFright	Re: High Resolution Pack discussion thread. @Roma and any others willing to provide normal textures: While it is really appreciated you guys are already making normal map stuff, releases should probably be delayed until we actually have support for it in EDuke32. If you start posting them now, it would create too much confusion. It confuses me, at least. IMHO, right now, we shouldn't replace existing textures with ones that only look good with normal mapping enabled. I'd suggest we wait for normal map support, and then a few guys work together on a collective pack which provides all normal maps at once (or at least specific parts at once, e.g. characters, props, textures etc.). This way, people like me would be much less worried about what can be added and what not. __________________ Duke3D HRP Update Pack Duke3D HRP Wiki To-Do List

05-05-2009, 06:58 AM	#1039
Roma Loom	Re: High Resolution Pack discussion thread. Sure.. It was just an example... My gloss texture doesn't meet the standards defined in the wiki.. Color glossmaps still scare me I'm used to greyscale glossmaps and I don't know how to define all this extra stuff to test in polymer build I grabbed somewhere... So don't take this seriously __________________ GRPViewer, DN3D/SW Models

05-05-2009, 12:26 PM	#1040
Jokke_r	Re: High Resolution Pack discussion thread. Besides, normal maps could and probably should be like half the size of the diffuse texture, would save loads of memory and not compromise quality all that much. But thats a matter of opinion really. __________________ I am Jack's smirking revenge.