The Weapon Thread - Page 2

Micki! · 08-31-2006, 12:30 PM

FEAR's shotgun is the best Shotgun ever imo...
But it wouldn't fit for Duke, so i guess the classic shotgun form Duke3D would be the best choice... That's my second favorite anyways...

SyntaxN · 08-31-2006, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Denz

Oh then it would be cool to have the same DN3D shootgun, best shootgun ever.

DNF 2001 shotgun FTW

Micki! · 08-31-2006, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SyntaxN

DNF 2001 shotgun FTW

DNF 200X shotgun ftw...

Let's hope it won't be DNF 20XX though...

ultra tree 85! · 08-31-2006, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by George Broussard

It's pretty faithful to the Duke 3D one with some updates to be more modern and a few thousand poly's vs a 2D sprite

Great news!!

Can't wait to use it on the enemies in DNF!

Micki! · 08-31-2006, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ultra tree 85!

Great news!!

Can't wait to use it on the enemies in DNF!

Would be cool if it was very powerfull, and worked like primary fire of the Autocannon form Prey... So that it would overheat from excessive use... (In Duke3D it was red-glowing too, but nothing more than that, it wasn't affected by that)

I think it would be cool...

Judge · 08-31-2006, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Micki!

Would be cool if it was very powerfull, and worked like primary fire of the Autocannon form Prey... So that it would overheat from excessive use... (In Duke3D it was red-glowing too, but nothing more than that, it wasn't affected by that)

I think it would be cool...

It shouldn't be too powerful though. For example the shotgun in Doom 3 was too powerful. I always killed the beasts with one headshot from 1m.

big fat lazy · 09-01-2006, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Denz

Oh then it would be cool to have the same DN3D shootgun, best shootgun ever.

Yes, the vertical grip ruled!

Phayzon · 09-01-2006, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by George Broussard

It's pretty faithful to the Duke 3D one with some updates to be more modern and a few thousand poly's vs a 2D sprite

To quote BJ (Wolf3D) "...YEAH!

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George Broussard · 09-01-2006, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Denz

Oh then it would be cool to have the same DN3D shootgun, best shootgun ever.

*Poof*, done.

This is easy.

infowars · 09-01-2006, 03:55 PM

Sweeeeeeeeeeeeet

Micki! · 09-01-2006, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by George Broussard

*Poof*, done.

This is easy.

Yay...

Damnit Denz, why didn't you also mention sounds, then he might have had answered that too...

I think sounds are REALLY important...
I know too many games that have really cool weapons, that just sounds weak and boring...
Great sounds is reason enough for me to try out a particular weapon...

[EDIT:]
I came to think of the chaingun too...
It sounded really cool in Duke3D... I wonder how different it'll be in DNF...

SyntaxN · 09-01-2006, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Micki!

Yay...

Damnit Denz, why didn't you also mention sounds, then he might have had answered that too...

I think sounds are REALLY important...
I know too many games that have really cool weapons, that just sounds weak and boring...
Great sounds is reason enough for me to try out a particular weapon...

[EDIT:]
I came to think of the chaingun too...
It sounded really cool in Duke3D... I wonder how different it'll be in DNF...

Agreed on the sound part, 99% of the games have weak weapon sounds

Hopefully this won´t be the case with DNF, there are enough AAA titles with great looking weapons that sound like pea-guns

I´m really curious how detailed the weapons will be (how many polys ingame), UT 2007 seems to use 40000-50000 polygons for the weapons alone but it´s not known if those numbers are for the ingame models.

JobivanHiob · 09-01-2006, 04:25 PM

jep Micki!, as i remember correctly the Doom3 weapons sounds are poor. Especially the shotgun! It sounds like a pistol to me

i think this was one reason because i quit playing the game at the half. OK, the otherall gameplay bored me after having played only 5 hours or so, to death.
In games like Doom3 that live from it straight shooting, i guess good weapon sounds are even more important like e.g. in third person shooters. So i assume that good and strong weapon sounds are very important in the FPS-genre!

Micki! · 09-01-2006, 04:35 PM

I was actually going to mention Doom3's weapons too, but i didn't want it to sound like i didn't like the game...
I really like Doom3... Sure, no innovations, but some great graphics, but the amosphere is really cool...

Having said that, i guess it's ok to mention the bad:
the pistol, the machinegun, and the shotgun in Doom3 sounded awfull...
The pistol was like "Peew, Peww", the machinegun like "Kwada-wada-wada" and the shotgun like: "PLUMP *click*" ...

However, later, Trend Reznor release his soundpack, which GREATLY improved the sounds of Doom3... I enjoy the game ALOT more because of that... The weapons don't sound weak anymore, at all...

I'm looknig forward to see what DNF's sounds will be like actually... All i hear is "interactivity, graphics, physics" etc... But raraly any mention of the sounds...

Kristian Joensen · 09-01-2006, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by George Broussard

*Poof*, done.

This is easy.

What about the RPG ?

Mongorian · 09-01-2006, 07:00 PM

A first person shooter with a shotgun and a machine gun!? Wow! If it has the rocket launcher, ho boy, talk about revolutionary! Such originality is worth a wait!

ultra tree 85! · 09-01-2006, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by George Broussard

*Poof*, done.

This is easy.

Cool !

It really does sound like the weapons will be great in DNF.

And we already know that the freezer, pipe bombs, shrinker, and even the ripper chaingun will be back too, so that's at least 5 of the awesome Duke 3D weapons carried over!

MakronMan · 09-01-2006, 08:05 PM

duke should be made able to shoot down a helicopter and ripp the chaingun straight off

Phayzon · 09-01-2006, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by George Broussard

*Poof*, done.

This is easy.

GUYS! Dont blow our 3rd wish, let me do it!

I want DNF to be released next week.

Reaper · 09-01-2006, 10:37 PM

I hope the design for the "cannon" is better looking than the DN3D one. I always thought it looked far too wide.

I loved the design of the shotgun from the 2001 screenshots.. and I loved the evil-dead style chainsaw.

Perhaps the shrink-ray gun has changed its looks back to a more classic Duke aesthetic as well?

Telee · 09-01-2006, 10:42 PM

Awesome, I can't wait to rip apart an octobrain with it

George Broussard · 09-01-2006, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Mongorian

A first person shooter with a shotgun and a machine gun!? Wow! If it has the rocket launcher, ho boy, talk about revolutionary! Such originality is worth a wait!

Yet, if they weren't there, people would complain about that, too

ReadOnly · 09-01-2006, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper

I loved the design of the shotgun from the 2001 screenshots.. and I loved the evil-dead style chainsaw.

- Will the Chainsaw from the Evil Dead movie still be in?
- No. We took that out ages ago. When we basically re-started we decided not to bring that back. (q) GB

Stormfox · 09-01-2006, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by George Broussard

Yet, if they weren't there, people would complain about that, too

Well Put George. I know I would. Most of the time when an fps tries to innovate with its weapons you end up with really convoluted designs that are more annoying than fun. Plus, Duke is a student of the old school! Shotguns, rocket launchers, chainguns and phat gangsta handguns is what we want a red singlet wearing bleach boy to weild. I'm glad to hear that out old favorites are returning. Sure we want to see new stuff, but we also want the old ones. If it's not broken don't fix it.

ReadOnly · 09-01-2006, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by George Broussard

Yet, if they weren't there, people would complain about that, too

Though, you could always make this cliched weapons to look and feel original. Devastator for example is a version of rocket launcher, but it feels like something different and because of that kinda original.

infowars · 09-02-2006, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Mongorian

A first person shooter with a shotgun and a machine gun!? Wow! If it has the rocket launcher, ho boy, talk about revolutionary! Such originality is worth a wait!

what the hell DO you expect.... exactly??

Kalki · 09-02-2006, 12:37 AM

^^ Devastator (double barrelled) was among the best looking of all DN3D weapons. If there's a weapon to reconvert without changing the look, it's that one.

I knew about the shotgun. It was too cool not to bring back. They've had it in the '99 screenies and the 2001 video.

Going back to the chaingun, I'm guessing there's no assault rifle. Makes sense with no alt-firing grenade launcher(the pipebomb fills that requirement in every way). So what are they wrapping the flag/bandana on? Duke's first-person viewable arm?

DavoX · 09-02-2006, 01:32 AM

George, i hope you agree that the Ripper must sound like every bullet is the apocalypse, even if it has a high rate of fire or if it's a small weapon, it must sound really powerful!!

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Stormfox · 09-02-2006, 01:34 AM

I hope there's still an assault rifle or smg of some kind. I want the chaingun to be a heavy weapon that is only practicle in certain situations, like quake 2's chaingun or the SAW in hl opposing force.

Micki! · 09-02-2006, 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Stormfox

I hope there's still an assault rifle or smg of some kind. I want the chaingun to be a heavy weapon that is only practicle in certain situations, like quake 2's chaingun or the SAW in hl opposing force.

i think it's better to compare it like the machingun-sniper thingy weapon from Prey, and the Autocannon...

They were both really good in certain occations...

I didn't like the machinegun from Quake2... As soon as i got a chaingun, i only used that, because it was faster and more powerfull...
Quake4 was better in this regard... They had a nailgun and a machinegun... and both were also great on certain occations...

So, if there is a assault rifle of some kind in DNF, i want it stil to be usable, even after getting the Ripper...
Like i said befoer, making the Ripper overheat might make it more of a choice to use it in battle or not... And maybe it's not near as accurate as the assault rifle... But extremely powerfull in medium ranges...

Kalki · 09-02-2006, 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by DavoX

George, i hope you agree that the Ripper must sound like every bullet is the apocalypse, even if it has a high rate of fire or if it's a small weapon, it must sound really powerful!!

.

I agree for contextual reasons. The weapon's sounds in DN3D made it appear silenced, giving the impression of stealth, which combined with forced-crouch sneaking around in air ducts may be misleading. George wants this to be an in-your-face shooter. I don't think he wants people crouch-crawling behind enemies and shooting them.

brabee · 09-02-2006, 04:19 AM

Oh come on George, you're being too generous. In the end, we could want the whole game!

SyntaxN · 09-02-2006, 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Stormfox

I hope there's still an assault rifle or smg of some kind. I want the chaingun to be a heavy weapon that is only practicle in certain situations, like quake 2's chaingun or the SAW in hl opposing force.

There was one in the 2001 version (m4 type of gun?), this would be the weapon for precise shooting while the ripper is the choice for mass murdering

Didn´t George already said that an assault rifle won´t be in though

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Originally Posted by Kalki

I agree for contextual reasons. The weapon's sounds in DN3D made it appear silenced, giving the impression of stealth, which combined with forced-crouch sneaking around in air ducts may be misleading. George wants this to be an in-your-face shooter. I don't think he wants people crouch-crawling behind enemies and shooting them.

In the beginning I believed the weapon *is* silenced, it really sounds like that.
There is no chaingun in any game that feels like a chaingun should imo, mainly through the lacking visual feedback and the sound. Come on let us wreck the environment with it

Micki! · 09-02-2006, 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by SyntaxN

Didn´t George already said that an assault rifle won´t be in though

I remember he said, that rifles won't be in, because Duke doesn't Snipe...
Don't remember anything about assaultrifle though...

The Count · 09-02-2006, 06:06 AM

George, at one point you said you had about 15 weapons (if I remember correctly) virtually finished and ready for shipping, but you and the team wanted to explore some more "whacky ideas".
Did you already add some to Duke`s whacky arsenal ?

Tang Lung · 09-02-2006, 06:59 AM

Ah precious shotgun.

DNF is gonna have to have work hard though if it wants to steal the crown off F.E.A.R.'s shotgun, that thing made the game for me.

skeletor · 09-02-2006, 07:29 AM

I think if the Devastator has been included, the design would probably have to have been altered. The reason I say that is due to the full body awareness - what would happen if you tried to use a keypad or whatever, while you have a gun attached to each arm? Of course, they could simply have the guns lowered out of sight for the animation, to keep things fast, I suppose. That's enough pointless speculation for me, I think.

ReadOnly · 09-02-2006, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Micki!

I didn't like the machinegun from Quake2... As soon as i got a chaingun, i only used that, because it was faster and more powerfull...

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So, if there is a assault rifle of some kind in DNF, i want it stil to be usable, even after getting the Ripper...

I guess, you just need two bullet types for two weapons. Q2 have one for machinegun and chaingun. So you almost always used latter one.

Denz · 09-02-2006, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Micki!

Yay...

Damnit Denz, why didn't you also mention sounds, then he might have had answered that too...

I think sounds are REALLY important...
I know too many games that have really cool weapons, that just sounds weak and boring...
Great sounds is reason enough for me to try out a particular weapon...

[EDIT:]
I came to think of the chaingun too...
It sounded really cool in Duke3D... I wonder how different it'll be in DNF...

Yeah, i like killing bosses with shootgun. The sound is satisfying. I also took DN3D shootgun sound and put it in Shadow warrior. This change the weapon radically, except its power. Much better.

Micki! · 09-02-2006, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by ReadOnly

I guess, you just need two bullet types for two weapons. Q2 have one for machinegun and chaingun. So you almost always used latter one.

That could do it...

Because if there was two different kins of amoo for each weapon, then i could always use the weaker machinegun as a reserve, to save ammo...

Unfortunately that's not the case...

But still, there should be another reason than this for the player to use one weapon over another...

08-31-2006, 12:30 PM	#41
Micki!	Re: Chaingun cannon FEAR's shotgun is the best Shotgun ever imo... But it wouldn't fit for Duke, so i guess the classic shotgun form Duke3D would be the best choice... That's my second favorite anyways... __________________ A true genius does not need boundaries such as 'common sense'

09-01-2006, 03:55 PM	#50
infowars	Re: Chaingun cannon Sweeeeeeeeeeeeet

09-01-2006, 04:25 PM	#53
JobivanHiob	Re: Chaingun cannon jep Micki!, as i remember correctly the Doom3 weapons sounds are poor. Especially the shotgun! It sounds like a pistol to me i think this was one reason because i quit playing the game at the half. OK, the otherall gameplay bored me after having played only 5 hours or so, to death. In games like Doom3 that live from it straight shooting, i guess good weapon sounds are even more important like e.g. in third person shooters. So i assume that good and strong weapon sounds are very important in the FPS-genre! __________________ Stay up to date with http://dukewatch.blogspot.com for the UNEXPECTED and PREPARE YOURSELF for SHOCK and AWESOME on Penny Arcade EXPO from September 3-5! Onebullit: "If DNF comes out in 2010 i will buy 2 copies and send you one." pjVgt regading DNF at PAX:"I would seriously shit my pants and pre-order three copies - one will be sent to Jobi" Last edited by JobivanHiob; 09-01-2006 at 04:35 PM.

09-01-2006, 04:35 PM	#54
Micki!	Re: Chaingun cannon I was actually going to mention Doom3's weapons too, but i didn't want it to sound like i didn't like the game... I really like Doom3... Sure, no innovations, but some great graphics, but the amosphere is really cool... Having said that, i guess it's ok to mention the bad: the pistol, the machinegun, and the shotgun in Doom3 sounded awfull... The pistol was like "Peew, Peww", the machinegun like "Kwada-wada-wada" and the shotgun like: "PLUMP click" ... However, later, Trend Reznor release his soundpack, which GREATLY improved the sounds of Doom3... I enjoy the game ALOT more because of that... The weapons don't sound weak anymore, at all... I'm looknig forward to see what DNF's sounds will be like actually... All i hear is "interactivity, graphics, physics" etc... But raraly any mention of the sounds... __________________ A true genius does not need boundaries such as 'common sense'

09-01-2006, 07:00 PM	#56
Mongorian	Re: Chaingun cannon A first person shooter with a shotgun and a machine gun!? Wow! If it has the rocket launcher, ho boy, talk about revolutionary! Such originality is worth a wait! Last edited by Mongorian; 09-01-2006 at 08:18 PM.

09-01-2006, 08:05 PM	#58
MakronMan	Re: Chaingun cannon duke should be made able to shoot down a helicopter and ripp the chaingun straight off __________________ The Makron Lives My top upcomin games: Duke Nukem Forever, Prey 2, F.E.A.R. 2, Bioshock, S.T.A.L.K.E.R., ET QUAKE WARS, Painkiller 2, Serious Sam 3, Unreal Tournament 3 Young one it is time for you to learn of the dark arts, The dark art of CAMPING!!! PS. Pig Cops are Dumb F*cks

09-01-2006, 10:37 PM	#60
Reaper	Chaingun looks? I hope the design for the "cannon" is better looking than the DN3D one. I always thought it looked far too wide. I loved the design of the shotgun from the 2001 screenshots.. and I loved the evil-dead style chainsaw. Perhaps the shrink-ray gun has changed its looks back to a more classic Duke aesthetic as well?

09-01-2006, 10:42 PM	#61
Telee	Re: Chaingun cannon Awesome, I can't wait to rip apart an octobrain with it __________________ Smoker incapacitated Telee

09-02-2006, 12:37 AM	#67
Kalki	Re: Chaingun cannon ^^ Devastator (double barrelled) was among the best looking of all DN3D weapons. If there's a weapon to reconvert without changing the look, it's that one. I knew about the shotgun. It was too cool not to bring back. They've had it in the '99 screenies and the 2001 video. Going back to the chaingun, I'm guessing there's no assault rifle. Makes sense with no alt-firing grenade launcher(the pipebomb fills that requirement in every way). So what are they wrapping the flag/bandana on? Duke's first-person viewable arm? __________________ "Gentlemen, generations to follow will see us as the first pioneers of the internet. They will look upon our days as those of brave spirits and free ideals - where men were men, women were men and children were the FBI." Free Speech

09-02-2006, 01:32 AM	#68
DavoX	Re: Chaingun cannon George, i hope you agree that the Ripper must sound like every bullet is the apocalypse, even if it has a high rate of fire or if it's a small weapon, it must sound really powerful!! . __________________ My Facebook Page for Game Design, Check it out! My Youtube Channel, With mapster32 tutorials!

09-02-2006, 01:34 AM	#69
Stormfox	Re: Chaingun cannon I hope there's still an assault rifle or smg of some kind. I want the chaingun to be a heavy weapon that is only practicle in certain situations, like quake 2's chaingun or the SAW in hl opposing force. Last edited by Stormfox; 09-02-2006 at 01:35 AM. Reason: put embarassed smiley in accidentaly

09-02-2006, 04:19 AM	#72
brabee	Re: Chaingun cannon Oh come on George, you're being too generous. In the end, we could want the whole game!

09-02-2006, 06:06 AM	#75
The Count	Re: Chaingun cannon George, at one point you said you had about 15 weapons (if I remember correctly) virtually finished and ready for shipping, but you and the team wanted to explore some more "whacky ideas". Did you already add some to Duke`s whacky arsenal ? __________________ ---- Do Not Flog dead mules ----

09-02-2006, 06:59 AM	#76
Tang Lung	Re: Chaingun cannon Ah precious shotgun. DNF is gonna have to have work hard though if it wants to steal the crown off F.E.A.R.'s shotgun, that thing made the game for me. __________________ "I'd like to begin by saying **** Lance Armstrong" MOON PRINCESS POWER!

09-02-2006, 07:29 AM	#77
skeletor	Re: Chaingun cannon I think if the Devastator has been included, the design would probably have to have been altered. The reason I say that is due to the full body awareness - what would happen if you tried to use a keypad or whatever, while you have a gun attached to each arm? Of course, they could simply have the guns lowered out of sight for the animation, to keep things fast, I suppose. That's enough pointless speculation for me, I think. __________________ Suddenly the restaurant seems far away, hushed, the noise distant, a meaningless hum, compared to this card, and we all hear Price's words: "Raised lettering, pale nimbus white..."