[MP1] The Real World - Matrix Total Conversion

[Ken_Y]

We've intentionally designed the wallrun in like this, where if you don't have a good foot-hold on the wall then Neo will sort of "slip off" of it. It's to prevent you from keeping on running in mid-air if you reach the end of a wall, or if you turn away from the wall too far. But you're right in that the hit detection is not always spot-on to trigger the wallruns. We've come to live with the fact that the engine sometimes just doesn't want to do what we tell it to, especially during intense firefights and such - or maybe because we're doing things to the engine that were never supposed to be done

[Sayantan]

Ken_Y said:
We've intentionally designed the wallrun in like this, where if you don't have a good foot-hold on the wall then Neo will sort of "slip off" of it. It's to prevent you from keeping on running in mid-air if you reach the end of a wall, or if you turn away from the wall too far. But you're right in that the hit detection is not always spot-on to trigger the wallruns. We've come to live with the fact that the engine sometimes just doesn't want to do what we tell it to, especially during intense firefights and such - or maybe because we're doing things to the engine that were never supposed to be done

Can I wallrun say more than 2 sec? I mean is it made that way or am I a n00b who's not being able to perform it?

[Ken_Y]

Ya, you definately should be able to. But it might be a little confusing, because there are 2 different types of wallrun now. There's the "wall jump" kind, as you're familiar with from Kung Fu 3, where doing a forward jump into a wall makes you flip or kick off of it; then there's the new "true wall running" where you have to do a shootdodge into a wall. Maybe pulling off this true wall running is a bit confusing, so an easy way to do it is to first run directly at a wall, then do a shootdodge when you're touching the wall. As long as you hold down the forward button (or any direction for that matter) you will continue running on the wall. After you start running you can turn in different directions to run along the wall in different ways. As long as you keep a good foot-hold on the wall you won't slip off of it. You'll flip off the wall after a certain amount of steps or if you just release the direction button.

We're still working on it a bit to make it less confusing, but hope this helps!

[Sayantan]

Ken_Y said:
Ya, you definately should be able to. But it might be a little confusing, because there are 2 different types of wallrun now. There's the "wall jump" kind, as you're familiar with from Kung Fu 3, where doing a forward jump into a wall makes you flip or kick off of it; then there's the new "true wall running" where you have to do a shootdodge into a wall. Maybe pulling off this true wall running is a bit confusing, so an easy way to do it is to first run directly at a wall, then do a shootdodge when you're touching the wall. As long as you hold down the forward button (or any direction for that matter) you will continue running on the wall. After you start running you can turn in different directions to run along the wall in different ways. As long as you keep a good foot-hold on the wall you won't slip off of it. You'll flip off the wall after a certain amount of steps or if you just release the direction button.

We're still working on it a bit to make it less confusing, but hope this helps!

AHH YESSS! I get it now . I was doing the old wallrun before.

I just played it and have to say that the wallrun is something I never had imagined would be possible to mod in a game like Max Payne. Whoever did this (must be Ken ofcourse) is a genious. It was so polished that I felt all the way about the ladder function in the Quake3 and Doom3 engine. "No less" trust me.

/my salute.

[RoveR]

okay kenneth, thanks for the info!

well, talking about the kung fu system: i've managed to kick people's ass in the dojo in no time! really, kung fu as-is is something really awesome and, most of all, user friendly... i think this is a big plus!

guys, keep the good work!

[Kozak]

Hey this is cool although I liked the moves in kf3 or katana more ( simpler kicks and jabs instead of doing stuff in the air) this is still cool I like the wallrun shooting alot . Some moves like the punch finisher are really cool others are abit less ( need some touch ups). But the wallrun system is really good.

[RoveR]

the only move that i dislike is the backward cartwheel..
the one that you can do crouching and jumping..

i think you should put a move that you use when you are surrounded... better a series of automatic jabs-kicks-dodges in all directions... that would be cool!

better if that move uses the same "random" order of the normal moves...

i think this definitely takes the cake.

[Ghast]

I liked it a lot too, kept locking up though, probably my install or ???

[RoveR]

ghast, i haven't had any problems with the mod...

go figure??

is your max payne install patched to the last version?

[Sayantan]

RoveR said:
ghast, i haven't had any problems with the mod...
go figure??
is your max payne install patched to the last version?

Just thought of dropping an information .... Ghast has been modding in the MP2 scene from the quite begining. So he knows all those basic things.

I hope I'm not being rude . It's just that he might laugh out in his mind reading your post .... eh Ghast?

BTW, it doesn't lock up in my system either. Maybe there's a few incompatibility factor .... still.

[RoveR]

Sayantan said:

Just thought of dropping an information .... Ghast has been modding in the MP2 scene from the quite begining. So he knows all those basic things.

I hope I'm not being rude . It's just that he might laugh out in his mind reading your post .... eh Ghast?

BTW, it doesn't lock up in my system either. Maybe there's a few incompatibility factor .... still.

in fact, you are a bit rude

no problem anyway, my stupid pc question comes from remindings of episodes that happened to people really good at using PC (in general)... like one of my friends, a programmer i won't bother you all with his story..
it's better for you

however, ghast, sorry. (but stop laughing )

[theHunted]

"teh bugfree application" has not been invented yet, so chances are pretty high that 1 out of 100 people will run into problems.
I remember the freezing problem of KungFu back in the days of version 3. Might still occur in certain situations.

[Sayantan]

RoveR said:
in fact, you are a bit rude

Hehhe ..... yeah. I usually have a habit of sticking a love-letter on a shoe; and then throwing it to the girl I wanna propose.

Anyways, I apologize provided you were offended (so obvious).

[Ghast]

nope, probably my error, was playing in dev mode because the readme said use "go" to escape lock ups, but C in dev mode not only crouches but cycles player camera? *lol* seemed like a lock up - Doh!

[Maddieman]

Hey folks, it's been a while; how's the community doing?

It's been ages in fact, so here's some screenshots from the mod I took a while back. There's a few glaring mistakes you'll hopefully overlook, but I hope you find some of these interesting. The last one is a rendered composition btw - used for some loading screens.

You may have seen some of this material before, because I took them earlier in the year and never got around to releasing them. Very sorry about this, but university is working me to bone these days.

I'm still hoping to get this out in some shape or form this year, so wish me luck. For now, the demo is still available here. The mod has changed a bit since that version, but it's still quite playable.

[theHunted]

Originally Posted by Maddieman

I'm still hoping to get this out in some shape or form this year, so wish me luck.

TRW to be released before the end of the year? That phrase sounds oddly familiar to me. Hope you're able to do it this year
Nah, wish you good luck with it. I still got good ol' MP1 installed here and am sure looking forward to giving this a try.

Oh and those pictures look cool as hell. Im especially in love with that neo vs. smith at the subway station fight. Looks extremely true to the movie. I assume it's used as a cutscene? Anyways, good stuff.

[Maddieman]

TRW to be released before the end of the year? That phrase sounds oddly familiar to me.

Yeah, it's something of a tradition.

Glad you liked the screens though -- I know Suprakarma worked hard as hell on that subway map. You're right, the aerial dual with Smith is a cutscene, you can see a low-quality version of it here:

http://video.google.com/videosearch?...22max+payne%22

The rest is playable.

[Neo16]

Modding max payne from a long time has proven me that if you are quite good you can get incredible results even from old graphical engines

[jeantyu]

The subway cinematic is beautiful ! ;-)

[Maddieman]

^Thanks. Yeah, it's crazy what the max-fx engine is capable of.

--

Wow, these screenshots bring back some memories -- particularly the 'Vintage TRW' shots at the bottom.

Holy Crap Maddie! Those shots are awesome! And Ken is still around!

What have you guys been up to, aside from TRW of course? It'd be nice to catch up with you Maddie, is your e-mail still the same?

Anyway, amazing stuff! But then again, we expect nothing less from you guys.

[Fraeon Waser Duhni]

Originally Posted by StratonAce

Holy Crap Maddie! Those shots are awesome! And Ken is still around!

Last of his posts was last year. So...

Maybe he really is a helpdesk at Activision these days. Like in the prank CovertEye pulled back...2-3 years ago? Darn, time goes so fast.

Ah yes, my bad. I didn't look at the dates. DOH!

And how have you been Fraeon Waser Duhni? Looks like the Max mod scene has really died down. Shame. The good old days were such fun!

[Maddieman]

:blinks: Hey Strat, where did you spring from?

Yeah, my email is the same as ever. Actually, I sent you an email earlier today -- but maybe I got the wrong address though. Would be great to catch up.

As for Ken, I think he's got a job with a game company developing mobile phone games -- seemed to be enjoying it last time I spoke (which was a while ago).

University is taking up most of my time, although I'm also helping out at the offical Alan Wake forum too.

[Sayantan]

Damn, I'm feeling a bit mushy now you guys started talking of those 'retro' days. I was merely a fan back then.

Speaking of those shots, it's amazing to see what the old engine can do. Great job guys.

[Maddieman]

^Yeah I still remember that first email you sent me, way back when.

Personally when it comes to experimental development, like kung fu etc, I prefer Mp1. I guess it's just simpler. What's been fun with this mod is how developing moves and new features is a lot like the concept of the Matrix -- there are rules: some can be bent; others can be broken.

That said, I saw a video of Aztec's SFII mod, and I was seriously impressed. Not many mods are able to look like an entirely new game, but that one does.

TRW now has a project page at Levels4You: http://maxpayne.levels4you.com/cdc/trw_matrix/index.l4y

There's a page for screenshots, trailers & videos, a dev diary, and some other stuff.

Check it out.


Btw, Sayantan, I find your avatar deeply disturbing and weird.

[Jami3]

Can't wait for this mod, I've been tracking it since it started, love the old shots, so retro, reminds me of the beta Max Payne shots from an E3 yonks ago. Keep at the mod, can't wait to play it.

[godmod]

hey guys !
i posted a new gameplay video from the demo :
http://youtube.com/watch?v=YXbygeyLodg&playnext=1
watch it and tell me what do u think
this is my first video editing ever
and sorry for my poor english

[Sayantan]

Originally Posted by Maddieman

Btw, Sayantan, I find your avatar deeply disturbing and weird.

Shhh ......[silently] it's the cover of one of Black Sabbath's album. Joe is prolly going to kill you if you say so ... LOL[/silently].

Plus, I changed it from my last avatar coz it's Halloween time.

[Maddieman]

Well, I'm not sure if it's the expression or the fangs, or both - but it's sure to give me nightmares.
/hides behind sofa...

/unhides,

Almost forgot, a few days ago I uploaded a "new" (previously unreleased) trailer from around 2004. It's about 2mins long, and shows quite a lot of material, including freeway combat, agents, burly brawl etc.

There's also a couple of new screens & concepts since I last posted here, and a dev diary entry on the subway level.

I've also linked godmod's great fan video on the media page.

http://maxpayne.levels4you.com/cdc/t....l4y?page=6830

[Tommyboy]

That video is, as they say, sweet.

[godmod]

Tnx!
Anyway , to promote the soon (i hope..)release of the trw mod ,i posted a new video . check it here :
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Zzv7BV-l_nI

[Maddieman]

Coming 'When It's Done', in 2031.

[godmod]

now seriously , how many percent of the mod is done and when its gonna be released?

[Sayantan]

Actually he was serious with the initial part of his post. The answer is "WID".

[godmod]

ok , but what percentage of the work is done?

[Sayantan]

WID usually means that "the developer dont want to discuss ANYTHING about the progress of the mod". So it's kinda self-explainatory.

[Maddieman]

90%, according to this site:

http://mods.moddb.com/970/the-real-world/

Though I'd be wary, that was last updated 3 years ago.

(So, if it took 1 year to do 90%, and the mod has been in development for 4 years, the percentage of work done is: 360% )

WID usually means that "the developer dont want to discuss ANYTHING about the progress of the mod".

Not quite. It means I want to make the best mod possible, and I'll take as long as necessary.

I think the most reliable thing I can say these days is simply that I'm planning to review the state of the mod at around Christmas time. If it's the best it can possibly be (within reason), I'll release it. If I think it could use a few months extra polish, then that's what it'll have to take.

What's holding the mod back is (and damnit, mixuk was right), because it's a film mod, there are specific levels that HAVE to get made to a certain specification, otherwise the mod sucks and you've failed. Since the Matrix is a 'Trilogy', there's three times as much of this stuff to be done, because there are so many key fight scenes.

But to reassure you, there's also a point when, realistically, you've got to call it a night. That's getting very close -- 3-4 years of work is starting to take its toll. I'd like to move on.

[Sayantan]

Originally Posted by Maddieman

Not quite. It means I want to make the best mod possible, and I'll take as long as necessary.

Depends on the developer.

But in any case you win mast0r.

Originally Posted by Sayantan

WID usually means that "the developer dont want to discuss ANYTHING about the progress of the mod". So it's kinda self-explainatory.

Originally Posted by Maddieman

Not quite. It means I want to make the best mod possible, and I'll take as long as necessary.

Here,Here......