EDuke32 snapshot thread

[Sang]

Me and some other gentlemen have been testing an upcoming TC online (those somewhat involved or enlightened can guess which one), but - strangely - it keeps going out of sync for no apparent reason. Therefore I humbly bring to this fair thread the following question: Is it possible to have the EDuke32 make more detailed reports of sync errors? If you know what I mean.

[supergoofy]

is the tc/mod you are talking the WG mod ?

[TerminX]

Try the -debugsync command line parameter. This increases the sync information in each packet from 1 byte to 6 bytes and splits the sync errors up into the following categories:

player positions
player horiz/health/view bobbing counter
actor sprite positions
projectile sprite positions
sector effector sprite positions/angle/tags/wall positions/sector ceiling and floor positions
random number generator values

Be aware that the added data might cause lag if your connections to each other are poor.

[Sang]

Originally Posted by supergoofy

is the tc/mod you are talking the WG mod ?

Nope, it's something even better!

Anyway thanks for the suggestion TerminX! Hopefully not to be continued ('cause that would mean the issue is fixed)..

[Jblade]

yeah, those should help alot Thanks!

[NightFright]

Anyone having issues with saving using March 13 snapshot? When I choose save option ingame, the game wouldn't produce a savegame file, thus making quicksave/quickload non-functional. This goes for original Duke3D campaign as well as for mods.

It's basically the same issue Radar1013 posted earlier on, btw. Just with March 13 snapshot this time.

[supergoofy]

working for me. and also F9 loads ok last savegame

[NightFright]

OK, deleting eduke32.cfg and reconfiguring the game seems to do the trick. No idea what went wrong.

[TerminX]

Probably a bad ModDir setting.

[NightFright]

Possibly. I am using ProAsm's PlayDuke launcher (v6.2). However, this also happened when directly running eduke32.exe. Deleting cfg file solved the problem in both cases.

[gambini]

Because i keep listening about people that have problems to run Dukeplus without HRP (they turn off hires textures and everything gets screwed up), i thought about this:

[Usurper]

That's not a bad idea.

[moggimus]

Originally Posted by gambini

Because i keep listening about people that have problems to run Dukeplus without HRP (they turn off hires textures and everything gets screwed up), i thought about this:

Yeah that was me. How about map selection or command line addendum too?

[Spiker]

For a few years people were constantly begging for more modern graphics and 100% functional ROR support in Eduke32. And now it seems it's just a matter of days now when they get it.

So what would be useful apart from that to make this great game even better? Avi support? Proper colision detection? Anything else?

[The Commander]

There is no way it would be .AVI best option is Theora. (as it uses Vorbis for the sound codec so that is an added bonus)

[Puritan]

Originally Posted by Spiker

....

So what would be useful apart from that to make this great game even better? Avi support? Proper colision detection? Anything else?

Sloped sprites ?

[LeoD]

Collision detection

[moggimus]

Originally Posted by Puritan

Sloped sprites ?

Second on that one.

[soulmate]

Originally Posted by Puritan

Sloped sprites ?

Great idea..that's what I've been missing ever since...!

[DissidentRage]

Originally Posted by Puritan

Sloped sprites ?

Another thing asked about for ages...

[Sang]

Originally Posted by Puritan

Sloped sprites ?

If we had that, we wouldn't even need ROR It'd probably be easier to work with as well.

[XTHX2]

Originally Posted by Sang

If we had that, we wouldn't even need ROR It'd probably be easier to work with as well.

Before seeing how the "not yet implemented" RoR is done in Mapster, that's a little too early to say I guess...

[Mblackwell]

Just make a two polygon model for the sprite you want to be sloped?

[Radar1013]

What about the people who don't know the first thing about modeling?

[Spiker]

Originally Posted by Mblackwell

Just make a two polygon model for the sprite you want to be sloped?

I think we would like to apply slopes to the original tiles and at any angle we want, not just one.

[Mblackwell]

Make a two polygon model and change the pitch/yaw/roll in the scripts?

[DeeperThought]

Originally Posted by Mblackwell

Make a two polygon model and change the pitch/yaw/roll in the scripts?

Ah, come on, you know that's not good enough. You won't be able to see the sloping in mapster, so you will constantly have to check in game, which would make building a real pain. Also, the model would not block correctly -- we want the sloped sprites to block like they were sloped floors/ceilings. Plus, you would only be able to use the textures that were defined as skins for the model(s).

[Mblackwell]

Which isn't exactly hard...

Defining skins that is.

In the end it's a decent alternative for most usages, even though it's not a permanent one.

I could care less about sloped sprites though, what I want is box collision detection in addition to the spherical detection currently present. There are ways to fake it but none of them are good. On top of that it would be nice to have proper collision so if for instance I made a door out of a sprite/model and made it open it would properly collide with the player. Again, there are ways to fake it but it would be nice to have the reality.

[Sang]

Originally Posted by Mblackwell

Just make a two polygon model for the sprite you want to be sloped?

But what if you want keep it 8-bit? (by which I mean not using models or hi-res textures, just doing things like we used to before all this 3D stuff came into play..)

[gambini]

The Sloped sprites idea is good. Getting 8bits polymost back (for real perspective and correct spritework visualization). But mainly, mainly i really hope the transparent tiles clipping issue gets fixed (at least in Polymer).

[DeeperThought]

I want to use CON code to make sounds play with an echo (the map effect described here), but this doesn't seem to be possible.

[The Commander]

Originally Posted by DeeperThought

I want to use CON code to make sounds play with an echo (the map effect described here), but this doesn't seem to be possible.

I also want to expand on this with being able to change the pitch of individual sounds, currently it seems I can only change the pitch of all sounds playing at once. (this is needed to make engine rev sounds ect.)

[DeeperThought]

Originally Posted by The Commander

I also want to expand on this with being able to change the pitch of individual sounds, currently it seems I can only change the pitch of all sounds playing at once. (this is needed to make engine rev sounds ect.)

Actually, you can change the pitch of an individual sound (by changing the player's pitch, starting the sound, then changing the player's pitch back to normal). What you want is to change the pitch of the sound while it is being played.

All I was asking for is something the engine already does.

[ReaperTK]

What about 3D skyboxes that are drawn in the map?

Find someway to designate a group of sectors/sprites as being part of the skybox. Maybe use a hi/lo tag or some other kind of flag.

As for letting it know where to draw the skybox:
Create a tile that's designated "skybox" or something and the renderer looks for any walls ceilings with that texture and it renders the skybox.

This would really add to the immersion and would allow for great detail in the sky/landscape. I also envision having moving sectors to act as planes/ships flying overhead.

[Sang]

Unnecessary. Just find a good skybox online or create your own.


edit: d'oh okay, Jblade already explained to me that I was confusing skyboxes with environment maps. Then why does everyone refer to environment maps as Skyboxes, damnit

[Mblackwell]

What reapertk is talking about is "skyportals". Or "3D Skybox".

[Sang]

Yes I was already explained that (in a private chat) Nothing to see here!

[ReaperTK]

I just thought of another way it could be done. You create your skybox in mapster and save it as "whatever".map and then have something that pairs your skybox map with the maps you want to use it in. The engine could render the skybox from the starting position marked in the skybox map file.

[kyvlle]

I have been trying to build this on Mac OS X 10.5.6, running Xcode 3.1.2 (gcc 4.0.1). It fails with a linker error:

ld: absolute addressing (perhaps -mdynamic-no-pic) used in _stripcolorcodes from eobj/libengine.a(osd.o) not allowed in slidable image

Removing all instances of -fno-pic from Makefile and build/Makefile, it also fails. This time:

Built object ../eobj/lzf_d.o
Built object ../eobj/md4.o
/var/folders/0M/0M-d2mP8Gwa+yiRo46YWaU+++TI/-Tmp-//cchnxVMq.s:158:non-relocatable subtraction expression, "_osdfmt" minus "L00000000005$pb"
/var/folders/0M/0M-d2mP8Gwa+yiRo46YWaU+++TI/-Tmp-//cchnxVMq.s:158:symbol: "L00000000005$pb" can't be undefined in a subtraction expression
/var/folders/0M/0M-d2mP8Gwa+yiRo46YWaU+++TI/-Tmp-//cchnxVMq.s:157:non-relocatable subtraction expression, "_osdtext" minus "L00000000005$pb"
/var/folders/0M/0M-d2mP8Gwa+yiRo46YWaU+++TI/-Tmp-//cchnxVMq.s:157:symbol: "L00000000005$pb" can't be undefined in a subtraction expression
/var/folders/0M/0M-d2mP8Gwa+yiRo46YWaU+++TI/-Tmp-//cchnxVMq.s:unknown:Undefined local symbol L00000000005$pb
Failed building ../eobj/osd.o from src/osd.c!
make[1]: *** [../eobj/osd.o] Error 1
make: *** [enginelib] Error 2

Seems to me like there's a problem with relocatable code. Any ideas on fixing this?

Cheers!

[Jblade]

alright, I just tested the debugsync thing - what does the movecount number represent?

EDIT: Also, what's the significance when it's just the host who goes out of sync? (using master/slave here) I was playing with Geoffrey and Sang - I went out of sync and the debug lines told me it was related to a random thing, but those 2 had no out of sync messages.