IGN + GameSpot Review - Page 2

SuicideRUN · 07-10-2006, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by George Broussard

I'm glad he listed that as a negative. If that's the worst the game has to offer, then we're doing ok I think?

What I thought was funny was when he complained about the aliens speaking english. Well if he had paid attention during the Spirit Walk part he would of known why you can understand them.

Fyrus Dakren · 07-10-2006, 09:19 PM

If you can guess the score then can't you use the score to make your own predicaments of how the game will be?

Your attitude reflects who you are. Be positive and you are an asset; be negative and you are a liability.

PS: I have no idea why I am being so philosophical tonight.

Deep Six · 07-10-2006, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by George Broussard

I'm glad he listed that as a negative. If that's the worst the game has to offer, then we're doing ok I think?

At least you guys explained how the aliens' speech and text becomes translated, whereas Halo 2 did not explain a single god damn thing. In the first Halo aliens are saying "wort wort wort" (oh so intelligent sounding!) then in the next game they are delivering shakespeare-esque lines of dialogue about morality with no explaination as to how they learned english.

d3ad connection · 07-10-2006, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Deep Six

At least you guys explained how the aliens' speech and text becomes translated, whereas Halo 2 did not explain a single god damn thing. In the first Halo aliens are saying "wort wort wort" (oh so intelligent sounding!) then in the next game they are delivering shakespeare-esque lines of dialogue about morality with no explaination as to how they learned english.

The Master Chief's updated armor is capable of translating what they are saying.

(sorry to get off topic)

Tman-42 · 07-10-2006, 09:25 PM

If ya know that, i can only say.... well u know too much about halo. He he just kiddin

SuicideRUN · 07-10-2006, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Fyrus Dakren

If you can guess the score then can't you use the score to make your own predicaments of how the game will be?

Your attitude reflects who you are. Be positive and you are an asset; be negative and you are a liability.

PS: I have no idea why I am being so philosophical tonight.

As a paid reviewer you have to put your bias aside when doing your job. Example is Richard Roeper. when he reviewed Blade 2 he gave it thumbs down, why? Cause he doesn't like vampires. So he walked in with the attutude that he was gonna hate this movie no matter what. I've seen game reviews were the reviewers first words are, "Personally I hate FPS". Then why the hell are you reviewing a FPS then?

Vivi · 07-10-2006, 09:31 PM

I don't really read reviews because everyones opinion is different. One person who is in charge of a magazine may hate a game that I happen to love. It doesn't make sense to pay any attention to these reviews.

Deep Six · 07-10-2006, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by d3ad connection

The Master Chief's updated armor is capable of translating what they are saying.

(sorry to get off topic)

Then where was the F was the Master Chief during the Arbiter's segments? And don't even try to explain that away as "The aliens understand each other" because the grunts were speaking quick lines of retarded english dialogue in Halo 1 while the Elites were speaking gibberish.
And that's my main point, the aliens in Halo sound totally F-ing ridiculous speaking english and Gamespot didn't buttrape Halo for it, so what's up with them shoving a broomstick up Prey's ass for it?

m4dmax · 07-10-2006, 09:34 PM

I bet that gamespot reviewer plays WoW. And we all know anyone who stoops to the level to play a game where you run around a gay little character for 15 dollars a month has no say in what is and isnt a good game.

0marTheZealot · 07-10-2006, 09:34 PM

I trust Gamespot more than IGN. IGN gives everything an 8.5+ to everything. I also tend to agree with GS more than any other site, but I still haven't play Prey yet.

Apache · 07-10-2006, 09:34 PM

Remind me again why Gamespot got the demo premier for Prey? lol. Wow.

Anyhow, Gamespot sucks for pc game reviews.

SuicideRUN · 07-10-2006, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 0marTheZealot

I trust Gamespot more than IGN. IGN gives everything an 8.5+ to everything.

I trust my own opinion over any review. After the demo it was my opinion to order the game.

George Broussard · 07-10-2006, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 0marTheZealot

I trust Gamespot more than IGN. IGN gives everything an 8.5+ to everything. I also tend to agree with GS more than any other site, but I still haven't play Prey yet.

Why not try the demo?

d3ad connection · 07-10-2006, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Deep Six

Then where was the F was the Master Chief during the Arbiter's segments? And don't even try to explain that away as "The aliens understand each other" because the grunts were speaking quick lines of retarded english dialogue in Halo 1 while the Elites were speaking gibberish.
And that's my main point, the aliens in Halo sound totally F-ing ridiculous speaking english and Gamespot didn't buttrape Halo for it, so what's up with them shoving a broomstick up Prey's ass for it?

In Halo 1, MC's armor could only translate Grunt speak.
And calm down, dont get pissed at me for what some jackass nitpicked at.

(again, sorry for getting off topic.)

0marTheZealot · 07-10-2006, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by George Broussard

Why not try the demo?

I have played the demo, and enjoyed it, but I always reserve full judgement until I play the final version. Don't worry George, I pre-ordered it

brandon105 · 07-10-2006, 09:48 PM

I can't understand Gamespot...they make no sense and act like they are racist, they don't care what they give the game, they have high paying jobs and they don't give a crap, 7.5? Im personnaly glad it didn't get a high score on gamespot...just means less ignorrant people will be playing my favorite game.

Tman-42 · 07-10-2006, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by brandon105

I can't understand Gamespot...they make no sense and act like they are racist, they don't care what they give the game, they have high paying jobs and they don't give a crap, 7.5? Im personnaly glad it didn't get a high score on gamespot...just means less ignorrant people will be playing my favorite game.

Amen to that

SuicideRUN · 07-10-2006, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by brandon105

I can't understand Gamespot...they make no sense and act like they are racist, they don't care what they give the game, they have high paying jobs and they don't give a crap, 7.5? Im personnaly glad it didn't get a high score on gamespot...just means less ignorrant people will be playing my favorite game.

Yeah I've seen alot of Gamespot reviews that made me think, "I wonder how much they are paid to give this game a great review". Watch the GS review for WoW, half way thru I thought he was gonna start humping the box.

brandon105 · 07-10-2006, 09:55 PM

one more thing

"There are a few plot twists here and there, but some of those twists feel like they've been lifted directly from other games."

Why do people frown on sharing and using ideas from others that have done it in the past with success?

"Because Tommy's a mystical Cherokee warrior, he eventually gains another ability, even if he doesn't believe in mysticism."

The reviewer sounded silly there

It translates to this

"Because the retard main character Tommy is full of crappy mystical powers, he eventually gains another ability, even though he is a racist facist."

"But since you can still do the death walk and refrain from losing progress when dying, the game is not worth playing through a second time, unless you're specifically trying to earn the Xbox 360 achievement you get for doing so. Speaking of achievements, Prey's are quite easy."

...wtf?

"Prey's campaign won't take too long, and it's rarely difficult, which makes it a solid choice if you're looking for an easy weekend romp"

O yes, just a weekend romp all over the place.

annnnd, these last two is why im never going to gamespot again.

"After you gain the ability to spirit walk, you can also understand the alien hunters, as they essentially start to speak English. While this gives you some tactical advantage--namely, you know when they're going to throw a grenade because they call it out--they sound dumb"

"additional 10 bucks and gets you two pewter figurines and an art book, which doesn't seem like a good value unless you have an interest in pewter figurines."

Enough said.

0marTheZealot · 07-10-2006, 10:02 PM

I can understand what he's saying, that is, any sense of challenge can simply be grinded through. Die, death walk, kill until you die, death walk, kill, death walk etc etc. It's a plus and a minus depending on how you look at it. It does mean that the narrative and immersion never breaks for a second, but it also means that there is no true challenge, if death walking is working the way they describe and how I think it is.

As for the Cherokee comment, the reviewer is saying that Tommy gets these powers, even though he wholly denies his entire heritage and continues to deny it even after gaining the ability to spirit walk. It may not be worded in the best way, but that's the impression I got.

Deep Six · 07-10-2006, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by d3ad connection

In Halo 1, MC's armor could only translate Grunt speak.
And calm down, dont get pissed at me for what some jackass nitpicked at.

(again, sorry for getting off topic.)

Don't be so apologetic. Also, don't make up excuses for what is clearly the same retarded "downside" shared by two games, one of which was scored lower for having said retarded downside, while the other got off scot-free.

Tommyboy · 07-10-2006, 10:08 PM

Gamespot's 7.5 really shouldn't be Earth shattering for anyone in either their opinion of Prey or of your opinion of their web site. There is one man behind every review (usually), and therefore all are inherently flawed. Do you think the reviewer had some ulterior motive in giving the score he did? I do not see why he would, Gamespot's Prey coverage up to this point has been quite comprehensive. There seems to be a lot less leverage given to game reviewers than say, film reviewers in terms of their approval or disapproval of a product. Game reviews vary much much less than film reviews I believe for this purpose (note that review collection sites such as Rotten Tomatoes have different percentages towards games as far as their overall "freshness", no doubt in large part due to this).

The reason people who follow the game up to it's release get so angry at negative reviews for games seems to stem from the fact that the wide majority of all game reviews are simply advice to the consumer than a true appraisal of the game. They invariably in every review list down how the game uses or misuses the conventions of the genre it is placed in and just offer potential customers a guide for if they should or should not purchase ("if you liked Doom 3, you'll probably love this"). I think this is a case where the reviewer leaned towards his own personal appraisal of the game and as such it deviates from the norm and angers people.

I know a lot of you guys look to reviews for a confirmation of your dedication to the game and (perhaps less so) your money spent to get the game, but really you should only look to yourselves and your experience with the final product for that confirmation. Reviews are for the uninformed, largely, and you, are not.

Spartan_234 · 07-10-2006, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by George Broussard

Reviewer bias perhaps? Some people simply weight some things, very differently. It's ok, but in no way do I feel anything in Prey is a 7.5. That's just, um, no

Well, of course game developers will probably say that to get people to buy their game anyways. Still, I think George Broussard knows what he's saying. Jeff Gerstmann was the guy who reviewed Prey on GameSpot, and he just isn't a very good reviewer IMO. It's hard to explain, but he just doesn't seem to have a very good attitude towards gaming. I haven't seen him write any "great" reviews since he reviewed the original Unreal Tournament. A general rule of thumb is that if you're going to review games for a professional reviews site, you must have a positive attitude towards gaming. I can't stress that enough! Nothing is worse than a so-called "professional" reviewer giving a poor review to a game that was otherwise receiving rave reviews, only because the reviewer in question had a poor attitude towards gaming.

sindex · 07-10-2006, 10:15 PM

I will say this much at times gamespot gives it like it is; however there reviews of certain games can be quite tedious at times. This is what they do; they hype about the game up into the heavens, then they run the review into the ground. Look at this ( http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/pr...ml?sid=6153262 ) then read their review. It’s all about (to them) the hardcore gamer feel over the game, is it worthy or not to those types of people? Personally I have seen FPS run into the ground since AvP2 only having some new, extra, and neat feature's to it and that’s what is supposed to carry the game (I hope not). Let’s see what happens though tomorrow, to me though in my own mind Prey, is what Doom3 should have been, (I skipped Q4) that’s why I’m getting it.

ertertwert · 07-10-2006, 10:22 PM

I only use Gamespot to look at upcoming games. Their reviews are completely useless.

George Broussard · 07-10-2006, 10:27 PM

A big reason we put the demo out is to let people judge for themselves. If you like the demo, then the full game only gets better. If you don't like the demo at all, then you probably won't like the full game.

Demos don't lie, so just play it and make your own decision.

Scream · 07-10-2006, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Deep Six

Don't be so apologetic. Also, don't make up excuses for what is clearly the same retarded "downside" shared by two games, one of which was scored lower for having said retarded downside, while the other got off scot-free.

Umm, it's not the same. The aliens in Halo 2 speaking English is simply out of necessity because the player plays as an alien for half of the game. They are not really speaking English. It's simply translated to allow the game to work.

Only having played the demo for Prey, I don't know why it would be necessary to understand what the aliens are saying. Perhaps it is, and perhaps it isn't. No idea. I do know that if it's necessary, it's not necessary for the same reasons as it was with Halo 2 (i.e. you don't have to play as an alien in Prey). If the Gamespot reviewer happened to think that the aliens in Prey sound stupid, that's his opinion. I don't think he was really dissing the fact that they spoke English, but just thought the "voice-acting" (if you could call it that) was bad. I personally don't have an opinion on it one way or the other, but that's how I read his review.

Anyway, it seemed like a pretty small point regardless.

d3ad connection · 07-10-2006, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Deep Six

Don't be so apologetic. Also, don't make up excuses for what is clearly the same retarded "downside" shared by two games, one of which was scored lower for having said retarded downside, while the other got off scot-free.

... Calm down and enjoy the fact that Prey is coming out.

brandon105 · 07-10-2006, 10:37 PM

Whats even worse is the attitude their forum goers have

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/pr...243&pid=198340

joseph380 · 07-10-2006, 11:12 PM

GS gave Duke 3d only an 8.8 http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/du...3d/review.html

Gameplay not a 10? Insane

Graphics an 8? I remember it having the best graphics for a shooter at the time.

Deep Six · 07-10-2006, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by d3ad connection

... Calm down and enjoy the fact that Prey is coming out.

I am enjoying the fact that Prey is going to be released shortly, and you can quit pretending like I'm totally irate over the subject too.

kornbred · 07-10-2006, 11:57 PM

Every review is good, infact most say it would have been a 10 or high 9's if it were longer. The "this game is on the short side" qoute comes up in every review. Good thing for MP

CameO73 · 07-11-2006, 12:04 AM

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I know a lot of you guys look to reviews for a confirmation of your dedication to the game and (perhaps less so) your money spent to get the game, but really you should only look to yourselves and your experience with the final product for that confirmation. Reviews are for the uninformed, largely, and you, are not.

Thanks for reminding me!

Apache · 07-11-2006, 12:27 AM

I haven't played the full game yet, but if its like the demo, I guess it's just a difference of opinion. If Gamespot's 7.5 means anything, it's just that they have a vastly different taste in games than we do.

SuperSaiyan4 · 07-11-2006, 12:35 AM

I prefer IGN for reviews but look at the reader revew its got 6/10 ouch!

Funny thing is on the Xbox 360 it also got a 9/10 and reader review is 8.2/10

360 version hits back

George Broussard · 07-11-2006, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by SuperSaiyan4

I prefer IGN for reviews but look at the other review by the gamers its got 6/10 ouch!

And who's finished it yet, but pirates? Pretty much nobody.

kingjolly · 07-11-2006, 12:40 AM

Yo George, you should make a referense on how Jeff rates games stupidly in DNF. It would be hilarious!!

ADM · 07-11-2006, 01:32 AM

Yeah I don't trust anything by Jeft Gerstmann, watch him on On the Spot and you'll see how he is.

Greg Kasavin is trustworthy and pretty much the only reason to go to the site nowadays.

Marty · 07-11-2006, 01:34 AM

^ now thats a nice idea

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Originally Posted by brandon105

just means less ignorrant people will be playing my favorite game.

yeah Im sure Prey will have a cult fanbase like Max Payne. Max Payne 1 and 2 are both great games but hardly anyone i know ever played it or got into it.

back on topic, the IGN video review was pretty cool. especially the part with the guy hanging on for dear life

seregrail7 · 07-11-2006, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by gamespot

The Good: Great-looking graphics

Is that why graphics only got a 8?

07-10-2006, 09:19 PM	#42
Fyrus Dakren	Re: ign + gs review If you can guess the score then can't you use the score to make your own predicaments of how the game will be? Your attitude reflects who you are. Be positive and you are an asset; be negative and you are a liability. PS: I have no idea why I am being so philosophical tonight. __________________ Also the pigeon translates writing that it has landed next to for u! - gamingkrazy Does the word shit make you cry? - AdrenalineAddict When you get the demo, you can decide for yourself. That's why it exists, really. - Joe Siegler But no problem with the uber violence in the game, eh? - Joe Siegler

07-10-2006, 09:25 PM	#45
Tman-42	Re: ign + gs review If ya know that, i can only say.... well u know too much about halo. He he just kiddin

07-10-2006, 09:31 PM	#47
Vivi	Re: ign + gs review I don't really read reviews because everyones opinion is different. One person who is in charge of a magazine may hate a game that I happen to love. It doesn't make sense to pay any attention to these reviews. __________________ "I just hate stupid people, they should have to wear signs that say 'I'm stupid'. That way you wouldn't rely on them for much, would you?" - Amakou Check out my band - http://www.myspace.com/dyingiseasy

07-10-2006, 09:34 PM	#49
m4dmax	Re: ign + gs review I bet that gamespot reviewer plays WoW. And we all know anyone who stoops to the level to play a game where you run around a gay little character for 15 dollars a month has no say in what is and isnt a good game.

07-10-2006, 09:34 PM	#50
0marTheZealot	Re: ign + gs review I trust Gamespot more than IGN. IGN gives everything an 8.5+ to everything. I also tend to agree with GS more than any other site, but I still haven't play Prey yet.

07-10-2006, 09:34 PM	#51
Apache	Re: ign + gs review Remind me again why Gamespot got the demo premier for Prey? lol. Wow. Anyhow, Gamespot sucks for pc game reviews.

07-10-2006, 09:48 PM	#56
brandon105	Re: ign + gs review I can't understand Gamespot...they make no sense and act like they are racist, they don't care what they give the game, they have high paying jobs and they don't give a crap, 7.5? Im personnaly glad it didn't get a high score on gamespot...just means less ignorrant people will be playing my favorite game.

07-10-2006, 09:55 PM	#59
brandon105	Re: ign + gs review one more thing "There are a few plot twists here and there, but some of those twists feel like they've been lifted directly from other games." Why do people frown on sharing and using ideas from others that have done it in the past with success? "Because Tommy's a mystical Cherokee warrior, he eventually gains another ability, even if he doesn't believe in mysticism." The reviewer sounded silly there It translates to this "Because the retard main character Tommy is full of crappy mystical powers, he eventually gains another ability, even though he is a racist facist." "But since you can still do the death walk and refrain from losing progress when dying, the game is not worth playing through a second time, unless you're specifically trying to earn the Xbox 360 achievement you get for doing so. Speaking of achievements, Prey's are quite easy." ...wtf? "Prey's campaign won't take too long, and it's rarely difficult, which makes it a solid choice if you're looking for an easy weekend romp" O yes, just a weekend romp all over the place. annnnd, these last two is why im never going to gamespot again. "After you gain the ability to spirit walk, you can also understand the alien hunters, as they essentially start to speak English. While this gives you some tactical advantage--namely, you know when they're going to throw a grenade because they call it out--they sound dumb" "additional 10 bucks and gets you two pewter figurines and an art book, which doesn't seem like a good value unless you have an interest in pewter figurines." Enough said. Last edited by brandon105; 07-10-2006 at 10:02 PM.

07-10-2006, 10:02 PM	#60
0marTheZealot	Re: ign + gs review I can understand what he's saying, that is, any sense of challenge can simply be grinded through. Die, death walk, kill until you die, death walk, kill, death walk etc etc. It's a plus and a minus depending on how you look at it. It does mean that the narrative and immersion never breaks for a second, but it also means that there is no true challenge, if death walking is working the way they describe and how I think it is. As for the Cherokee comment, the reviewer is saying that Tommy gets these powers, even though he wholly denies his entire heritage and continues to deny it even after gaining the ability to spirit walk. It may not be worded in the best way, but that's the impression I got.

07-10-2006, 10:08 PM	#62
Tommyboy	Re: ign + gs review Gamespot's 7.5 really shouldn't be Earth shattering for anyone in either their opinion of Prey or of your opinion of their web site. There is one man behind every review (usually), and therefore all are inherently flawed. Do you think the reviewer had some ulterior motive in giving the score he did? I do not see why he would, Gamespot's Prey coverage up to this point has been quite comprehensive. There seems to be a lot less leverage given to game reviewers than say, film reviewers in terms of their approval or disapproval of a product. Game reviews vary much much less than film reviews I believe for this purpose (note that review collection sites such as Rotten Tomatoes have different percentages towards games as far as their overall "freshness", no doubt in large part due to this). The reason people who follow the game up to it's release get so angry at negative reviews for games seems to stem from the fact that the wide majority of all game reviews are simply advice to the consumer than a true appraisal of the game. They invariably in every review list down how the game uses or misuses the conventions of the genre it is placed in and just offer potential customers a guide for if they should or should not purchase ("if you liked Doom 3, you'll probably love this"). I think this is a case where the reviewer leaned towards his own personal appraisal of the game and as such it deviates from the norm and angers people. I know a lot of you guys look to reviews for a confirmation of your dedication to the game and (perhaps less so) your money spent to get the game, but really you should only look to yourselves and your experience with the final product for that confirmation. Reviews are for the uninformed, largely, and you, are not.

07-10-2006, 10:15 PM	#64
sindex	Re: ign + gs review I will say this much at times gamespot gives it like it is; however there reviews of certain games can be quite tedious at times. This is what they do; they hype about the game up into the heavens, then they run the review into the ground. Look at this ( http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/pr...ml?sid=6153262 ) then read their review. It’s all about (to them) the hardcore gamer feel over the game, is it worthy or not to those types of people? Personally I have seen FPS run into the ground since AvP2 only having some new, extra, and neat feature's to it and that’s what is supposed to carry the game (I hope not). Let’s see what happens though tomorrow, to me though in my own mind Prey, is what Doom3 should have been, (I skipped Q4) that’s why I’m getting it.

07-10-2006, 10:22 PM	#65
ertertwert	Re: ign + gs review I only use Gamespot to look at upcoming games. Their reviews are completely useless.

07-10-2006, 10:27 PM	#66
George Broussard	Re: ign + gs review A big reason we put the demo out is to let people judge for themselves. If you like the demo, then the full game only gets better. If you don't like the demo at all, then you probably won't like the full game. Demos don't lie, so just play it and make your own decision.

07-10-2006, 10:37 PM	#69
brandon105	Re: ign + gs review Whats even worse is the attitude their forum goers have http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/pr...243&pid=198340

07-10-2006, 11:12 PM	#70
joseph380	Re: ign + gs review GS gave Duke 3d only an 8.8 http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/du...3d/review.html Gameplay not a 10? Insane Graphics an 8? I remember it having the best graphics for a shooter at the time.

07-10-2006, 11:57 PM	#72
kornbred	Re: ign + gs review Every review is good, infact most say it would have been a 10 or high 9's if it were longer. The "this game is on the short side" qoute comes up in every review. Good thing for MP __________________ #1 threat to America? Bears.

07-11-2006, 12:27 AM	#74
Apache	Re: ign + gs review I haven't played the full game yet, but if its like the demo, I guess it's just a difference of opinion. If Gamespot's 7.5 means anything, it's just that they have a vastly different taste in games than we do.

07-11-2006, 12:35 AM	#75
SuperSaiyan4	Re: ign + gs review I prefer IGN for reviews but look at the reader revew its got 6/10 ouch! Funny thing is on the Xbox 360 it also got a 9/10 and reader review is 8.2/10 360 version hits back __________________ FINISH THE FIGHT: 26TH SEPTEMBER 2007 MasterChief - 'I need a weapon'

07-11-2006, 12:40 AM	#77
kingjolly	Re: ign + gs review Yo George, you should make a referense on how Jeff rates games stupidly in DNF. It would be hilarious!!

07-11-2006, 01:32 AM	#78
ADM	Re: IGN + GS Review Yeah I don't trust anything by Jeft Gerstmann, watch him on On the Spot and you'll see how he is. Greg Kasavin is trustworthy and pretty much the only reason to go to the site nowadays.