When should the action start? - Page 2

Dark Angel · 09-24-2007, 09:51 AM

It would be nice to have some action immediately. But if the controls are a bit complicated then they might want to have some kind of optional training. I also would like to see a mini Duke movie (you can skip past it if you want to) that explains things. Perhaps this duke mini movie can follow the first fight.

Colicedus · 09-24-2007, 11:52 AM

Sort of like how F1 in the First game covered the story?
That would be a good idea. that way for those people who just want the game can do nothing and just game, while people with a love for story telling can view the back story.

rockmanekuzu8 · 09-25-2007, 10:00 PM

MAN as long as it makes sense what caused another ALIEN INVASION or whatever, and DUKE goes at his statements like DAMN F$%)KING ALIEN BITCHES HAVE TO RUIN MY RELAXING VACATION TIME AGAIN, IT'S TIME FOR ANOTHER ALIEN ASS WHOOPING DUKE STYLE!!

ace747 · 09-26-2007, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by ZuljinRaynor

Or if there is a cutscene... make it skippable. Unlike Half-Life, Quake 4 and Doom 3 and Bioshock for example.

Quake 4 had one field that took less then a minute to pass before the action started..and the cutscene was skippable

I want a Doom 3 lengthed intro, that felt perfect to me. Basicly a stage where you get used to everything but shooting and then starts kicking some ass!

AdamCommando · 09-26-2007, 05:33 PM

Another thing that should be mentioned about Doom 3 is that you can in fact skip the intro level and skip right into the invasion.

That sounds like something that might fit DNF as well.

ace747 · 09-27-2007, 05:30 AM

^
You can? Isn't the door to Mars City Underground locked at start? (goes to check)

Edit: Nope, you can't.

AdamCommando · 09-27-2007, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ace747

^
You can? Isn't the door to Mars City Underground locked at start? (goes to check)

Edit: Nope, you can't.

Sorry, I forget to say that in order to skip the intro, you can just die at the very beginning of the game. Just jump down the bottomless pit where the ship is hovering.

*It takes you to where you would be with the Asian scientist when the invasion starts.*

edit: Actually, it starts you at what looks like the third level, where there is zombie in front of you.

ace747 · 09-27-2007, 05:58 AM

Haha, now that's a cool lil' feature.

Shadowy · 09-28-2007, 12:58 PM

Tbh i liked the start of games like Half-life, Doom 3 and others where you get to see your surroundings before chaos breaks loose, sometimes just to see how it has changed when you run across it later.

Also if DNF is to have a good level of interactivity the drawn out beginnings are a good way to have time to experiment (like playing the games machines, messing with the tv and music at the start of Prey where the actual story doesn't properly begin until the player is ready).

However i would still like to see aliens burst in on duke so the player is dropped directly into the action, after all Duke is supposed to be the king of action.

Therefore it's probably best to have a split beginning where the player can choose to start the game immediately or have another menu option to look around first before having the game events start, sort of like a prelude (eg. menu options like Kick-ass (skip to action) or Chew some bubblegum (take a look around), as we all know Duke only kicks ass when he's all outta gum

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Colicedus · 10-05-2007, 03:46 AM

How about this, if you start the game on Peace of Cake, you get to have tutorial and a muck around?

One thing I will add in most games that gets to me, especially in most modern games (tomb raiders the worst) its that the player has too much time to muck around while finishing puzzles, and they end up killing all the monsters, and because of that, you know that you are safe. I like Damn I'm Good! on DN3D because there is a constant stream of baddys!

It don't mater how many rockets you pump into them, you end up finding you kill the same spawn a few too many times!

There was nothing like that in most games That I have played.

DN3D +1 Challenge! + 3 Killer instinct

peoplessi · 10-05-2007, 06:35 AM

Right f'n now. ;(

madhatter man · 10-18-2007, 07:30 PM

Start like god of war 2, right into the action during a very long boss fight. Very creative way to start a game.

DukeNukem_ags · 10-20-2007, 07:10 PM

something you should know about 3drealms: the action always starts very soon. in duke3d and shadow warrior, you were put in the middle of the action. in max payne and prey, you were given a very short beginning. dnf could do either of the two. i dont care. but, it should not try to have an extended beginning (like doom 3). dnf is just not that type of game imo. duke nukem is the kinda guy who just goes in there and kicks some ass. forget about complex plots and subplots (that's for max payne, not duke). my 2 cents...

Nessus · 10-20-2007, 07:20 PM

I say do it like James Bond. Start right off with an intense action sequence then when thats over build of the exposition of the game in a normal manner.

Unbeholder · 10-22-2007, 06:37 AM

the action should start nOWWW lets riot 3drealms and steal the beta !!!!

mysteryperfecta · 10-22-2007, 12:00 PM

DNF needs a prelude to the action. D3D didn't have it because it was 1996 and arcade-y FPSs were the norm. HL revolutionized FPS in this way, making FPSs more cinematic.

Obviously, certain scenarios lend themselves to instant action. If you're loading up a WWII game, you're already familiar enough with the circumstances and your expectations that you can dive right in. From what we know of DNF, instant action may feel abrupt.

It doesn't have to be a tutorial (I don't think we'll need one), but I want a story set-up, and I want the game to provide genuine motivation for me to start shooting.

AdamCommando · 10-22-2007, 01:08 PM

I recently read the official faq on DNF, and apparently, even though most of it's info is based on discussions about the old iterations of DNF, they said they would not have any training levels, and would have everything paced to let the player get the hang of the weapons. I don't know if that says anything about whether there will be an intro level or anything.

On an unrelated note, I was surprised to see that (at the time, this is old news) they wanted to include an ego meter because they liked how it enhanced the gameplay in Manhattan Project.

View Poll Results: When should the action/alien killing start?
As soon as you get control (like Duke 3d)	30	30.61%
Almost immediately (just after a small warm up area)	26	26.53%
After a long introduction like the Half-Life games or Doom 3	33	33.67%
Forever: You get to see all of vegas before you kill something	9	9.18%
Voters: 98. You may not vote on this poll

09-24-2007, 09:51 AM	#41
Dark Angel	Re: When should the action start? It would be nice to have some action immediately. But if the controls are a bit complicated then they might want to have some kind of optional training. I also would like to see a mini Duke movie (you can skip past it if you want to) that explains things. Perhaps this duke mini movie can follow the first fight. __________________ Dark Angel Have an AWESOME day!!!

09-24-2007, 11:52 AM	#42
Colicedus	Re: When should the action start? Sort of like how F1 in the First game covered the story? That would be a good idea. that way for those people who just want the game can do nothing and just game, while people with a love for story telling can view the back story. __________________ Colicdus: the Chainsaw master was here

09-25-2007, 10:00 PM	#43
rockmanekuzu8	Re: When should the action start? MAN as long as it makes sense what caused another ALIEN INVASION or whatever, and DUKE goes at his statements like DAMN F$%)KING ALIEN BITCHES HAVE TO RUIN MY RELAXING VACATION TIME AGAIN, IT'S TIME FOR ANOTHER ALIEN ASS WHOOPING DUKE STYLE!! __________________ What can I say I'm just a God-Fearing Peace Loving Patriotic Enthusiastic Pure Hardcore True Duke Fan. Prepare to Witness the Might and Power of a REAL TRUE EPIC LEGEND!! DNF WILL ROCK YOU!! ARE YOU READY!! ALWAYS BET ON DUKE!! DUKE NUKEM FOREVER!! :) :)

09-26-2007, 05:33 PM	#45
AdamCommando	Re: When should the action start? Another thing that should be mentioned about Doom 3 is that you can in fact skip the intro level and skip right into the invasion. That sounds like something that might fit DNF as well.

09-27-2007, 05:30 AM	#46
ace747	Re: When should the action start? ^ You can? Isn't the door to Mars City Underground locked at start? (goes to check) Edit: Nope, you can't. Last edited by ace747; 09-27-2007 at 05:46 AM.

09-27-2007, 05:58 AM	#48
ace747	Re: When should the action start? Haha, now that's a cool lil' feature.

09-28-2007, 12:58 PM	#49
Shadowy	Re: When should the action start? Tbh i liked the start of games like Half-life, Doom 3 and others where you get to see your surroundings before chaos breaks loose, sometimes just to see how it has changed when you run across it later. Also if DNF is to have a good level of interactivity the drawn out beginnings are a good way to have time to experiment (like playing the games machines, messing with the tv and music at the start of Prey where the actual story doesn't properly begin until the player is ready). However i would still like to see aliens burst in on duke so the player is dropped directly into the action, after all Duke is supposed to be the king of action. Therefore it's probably best to have a split beginning where the player can choose to start the game immediately or have another menu option to look around first before having the game events start, sort of like a prelude (eg. menu options like Kick-ass (skip to action) or Chew some bubblegum (take a look around), as we all know Duke only kicks ass when he's all outta gum .) __________________ The Games of ultimate power approach the PC (Fear: Extraction Point, Spore, Supreme Commander, Stalker - Shadow of Chernobyl, DNF (of course), Prey, Fallout 3 and Crysis) "If I did nothing wrong, then why do i feel like a traitor?" -Me in March 2006

10-05-2007, 03:46 AM	#50
Colicedus	Re: When should the action start? How about this, if you start the game on Peace of Cake, you get to have tutorial and a muck around? One thing I will add in most games that gets to me, especially in most modern games (tomb raiders the worst) its that the player has too much time to muck around while finishing puzzles, and they end up killing all the monsters, and because of that, you know that you are safe. I like Damn I'm Good! on DN3D because there is a constant stream of baddys! It don't mater how many rockets you pump into them, you end up finding you kill the same spawn a few too many times! There was nothing like that in most games That I have played. DN3D +1 Challenge! + 3 Killer instinct __________________ Colicdus: the Chainsaw master was here

10-05-2007, 06:35 AM	#51
peoplessi	Re: When should the action start? Right f'n now. ;( __________________ Duke Nukem Forever Who am I to judge?

10-18-2007, 07:30 PM	#52
madhatter man	Re: When should the action start? Start like god of war 2, right into the action during a very long boss fight. Very creative way to start a game.

10-20-2007, 07:10 PM	#53
DukeNukem_ags	Re: When should the action start? something you should know about 3drealms: the action always starts very soon. in duke3d and shadow warrior, you were put in the middle of the action. in max payne and prey, you were given a very short beginning. dnf could do either of the two. i dont care. but, it should not try to have an extended beginning (like doom 3). dnf is just not that type of game imo. duke nukem is the kinda guy who just goes in there and kicks some ass. forget about complex plots and subplots (that's for max payne, not duke). my 2 cents... __________________ To see a world in a grain of sand And a heaven in a wild flower, Hold inifinity in the palm of your hand And eternity in an hour. -Anguries of Innocence

10-20-2007, 07:20 PM	#54
Nessus	Re: When should the action start? I say do it like James Bond. Start right off with an intense action sequence then when thats over build of the exposition of the game in a normal manner. __________________ "Times are bad. Children no longer obey their parents, and everyone is writing a book." Marcus Tullius Cicero (106-43 BC)

10-22-2007, 06:37 AM	#55
Unbeholder	Re: When should the action start? the action should start nOWWW lets riot 3drealms and steal the beta !!!! __________________ What is a man? A miserable little pile of secrets!

10-22-2007, 12:00 PM	#56
mysteryperfecta	Re: When should the action start? DNF needs a prelude to the action. D3D didn't have it because it was 1996 and arcade-y FPSs were the norm. HL revolutionized FPS in this way, making FPSs more cinematic. Obviously, certain scenarios lend themselves to instant action. If you're loading up a WWII game, you're already familiar enough with the circumstances and your expectations that you can dive right in. From what we know of DNF, instant action may feel abrupt. It doesn't have to be a tutorial (I don't think we'll need one), but I want a story set-up, and I want the game to provide genuine motivation for me to start shooting. __________________ "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take away everything you have.” Thomas Jefferson

10-22-2007, 01:08 PM	#57
AdamCommando	Re: When should the action start? I recently read the official faq on DNF, and apparently, even though most of it's info is based on discussions about the old iterations of DNF, they said they would not have any training levels, and would have everything paced to let the player get the hang of the weapons. I don't know if that says anything about whether there will be an intro level or anything. On an unrelated note, I was surprised to see that (at the time, this is old news) they wanted to include an ego meter because they liked how it enhanced the gameplay in Manhattan Project.