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Xerxes · 08-12-2006, 12:16 PM

How would they know who works at 3DR though?

And if they did, you wouldn't be able to stop them from posting it on wikipedia or something anyway(so there'd be less people who know who's making DNF who wouldn't otherwise, maybe still too much though if you're trying to keep it a secret)...

Micki! · 08-12-2006, 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Siegler

I just worry about people constantly trying to put it in, and me having to remove it. I need to give it some more thought.

Yeah, that IS bad i see...
Maybe changes should be accepted by moderators (You) before it's going to be added..? I don't know if this is possible, but maybe everytime someone wants to add something, it could work like some kind of notification, asking you to be added... Of course, this would be more work (but at least you know beforehand, instead of having to find, and fix yourself)

I don't know, this is my best suggestion for now...

Phayzon · 08-12-2006, 12:31 PM

@Xerxes
They could make stuff up?

@Micki!
Sounds like a reasonable idea.

@Joe
I can see where that is a possible issue, but do you really think somebody'd do that? (Yes...?)

Retodon8 · 08-14-2006, 03:19 AM

I'd love to see a 3DR Wiki.
Sure, Wikipedia is great, but some of the still very useful content gets deleted... and rightfully so.

What I mean with that is, Wikipedia is a general encyclopedia, and because of that doesn't need to list default movement keys, cheat codes, background information on a game's sound track, and so on, but a 3DR Wiki could have this because of its specialization.
Of course, depending on what the rules for it would be.

Maybe it should be so that only you (Joe) can actually start new articles?
You could make one for every subject you deem worthy (probably games, companies, people, maybe even levels and songs?), and people wouldn't be able to create nonsense stuff, just edit the existing (so far empty) articles.
That should be possible with the software, and should help keep things relatively organized.

Joe Siegler · 08-14-2006, 04:53 PM

I guess if I clearly dictate that the FAQ was info from fans, and in certain areas isn't always considered official (like who works here), then I might be able to get away with it.

I'll be contributing, mostly in the area of old school games, as that's where I have a lot of personal interest.

I'll probably still do this. Just need to set aside some time and get some basic structure up.

Micki! · 08-15-2006, 07:51 AM

Great...

Please add a nice litle banner with the Apogee and/or 3DR logo on the upper left corner, as with the Prey Wiki has it... Or if possible, make it similar as the one used here at 3DR's website, with the chagning logo... Just with all kinds of games instead, and the Apogee and 3DR logo too... But only really if it is possible, and if you want to...

Altered Reality · 08-15-2006, 11:26 AM

ZaphodB · 08-15-2006, 11:28 AM

I think the concept is fantastic.

Joe Siegler · 08-15-2006, 09:37 PM

I've made up my mind tonight. I'm gonna do this. I just need to set aside some time to get the software running, and then write some policies for how things should be done, etc...

avatar_58 · 08-15-2006, 09:45 PM

Joe - I could add info on how to get each game running smoothly in dosbox, if that would help. Assuming of course each older game gets its own page.

Joe Siegler · 08-15-2006, 10:11 PM

This one will be more free than the Prey one. I'm planning to allow just about anyone to edit it. So if someone wants to do a bit on DOSBox for each game, go for it.

avatar_58 · 08-15-2006, 10:17 PM

Well I wanted a chance (or reason, if you will) to try out editing a wiki site. I planned on making a dosbox oriented site of my own so this would be a little test to see if I want to bother.

Phayzon · 08-15-2006, 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Siegler

This one will be more free than the Prey one. I'm planning to allow just about anyone to edit it. So if someone wants to do a bit on DOSBox for each game, go for it.

As in, you dont need an account or anything?

Joe Siegler · 08-15-2006, 10:45 PM

I said just about anyone. Not "anyone".

Phayzon · 08-15-2006, 11:17 PM

Phew. Had me a little worried for a second there

Nacho · 08-16-2006, 12:44 AM

I look forword to the 3DR Wiki. Actually, rather excited.

Kind of looking forword to this more then DNF currently.

Kalki · 08-16-2006, 02:35 AM

More than DNF? Traitor!

Joe, are you thinking of implementing wiki user accounts that work on all editable 3D Realms wikis or are seperate accounts required for each wiki?

Joe Siegler · 08-16-2006, 08:00 AM

I didn't think about user accounts. Probably will be for each, since the Prey one is not editable by the public, and the DNF one I need to think about some more.

ZaphodB · 08-16-2006, 11:23 AM

Would it be easier to use the user accounts on the forums, or would that just be a royal PITA?

ADM · 08-16-2006, 11:34 AM

Pita.

Micki! · 08-16-2006, 01:06 PM

Great to know it's gonna happen...
I'm looking forward to see the wiki now

Joe Siegler · 08-16-2006, 01:27 PM

Well, it's gonna be close to empty when it launches, people will need to put the info in themselves.

Micki! · 08-16-2006, 01:30 PM

Sure, i hope to be part of that anyways...

But mainly i'm looking forward to how it develops over time... Hopefully there's some interesting/cool/funny stuff i didn't know before...

Phayzon · 08-16-2006, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Micki!

Sure, i hope to be part of that anyways...

But mainly i'm looking forward to how it develops over time... Hopefully there's some interesting/cool/funny stuff i didn't know before...

QFT. Same here

Joe Siegler · 08-17-2006, 08:54 AM

I envision it starting off as basically a Wiki version of our product catalogs, and then people will expand on it over time.

ZaphodB · 08-17-2006, 09:20 AM

Will submitted items have to be approved before they are posted, or just post and correct as it goes?

Joe Siegler · 08-17-2006, 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZaphodB

Will submitted items have to be approved before they are posted, or just post and correct as it goes?

I haven't totally decided on that. Submissions would help vandalism, but probably discourage editing.

jimbob · 08-17-2006, 09:38 AM

the WIKI sounds like an excellent idea

ZaphodB · 12-06-2006, 05:02 AM

So what's the latest news on this? Did it fall off into limbo, is it a WID, or was it decided as a no-go?

John · 12-06-2006, 07:14 AM

I'm curious aswell.

I also like this part in Manhattan Project's WIKI:

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Duke's primary enemy in the game was originally supposed to be his old arch-nemesis Doctor Proton, but this was changed to avoid possible continuity clashes with Duke Nukem Forever.

Which means (atleast up to the point when that was written) that DNF will still have Doctor Proton!

Altered Reality · 12-06-2006, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by John

I'm curious aswell.
Which means (atleast up to the point when that was written) that DNF will still have Doctor Proton!

No, it just means that when Sunstorm decided to have Mech Morphix in DNMP, DNF might have eventually had Doctor Proton.

ShadeEX · 12-08-2006, 09:28 AM

I could help with Dosbox articles as well..
Oh and VDMSound too.. id gladly write about that too

Joe Siegler · 12-12-2006, 09:53 PM

Yeah, I still want to do it, I just need to work out the logistics. I would like folks to contribute, I think it would be fun. But I keep thinking of problems it can cause.

We'd probably need a reliable method of people who would police it for vandalism.

John · 12-12-2006, 10:51 PM

I'd go for it but I'm sure I'm not trusted enough.

ZaphodB · 12-13-2006, 02:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Siegler

Yeah, I still want to do it, I just need to work out the logistics. I would like folks to contribute, I think it would be fun. But I keep thinking of problems it can cause.

We'd probably need a reliable method of people who would police it for vandalism.

If there's any way for us forumers to help, let us know. I really would love to see this project get off the ground.

Nacho · 12-13-2006, 02:17 PM

Wiki's galore!

Ahh, the problem is with the Wiki is just abuse and having someone oversee that it isn't abuse is a big heap of trust on your shoulders. Not to mention work.

Think of the Wiki as DNF. They want it perfect so, "WID".

Kalki · 12-13-2006, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by John

I'd go for it but I'm sure I'm not trusted enough.

Heh- I picture Joe in a Santa hat making a Naughty or Nice list...

DOSGuy · 12-14-2006, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ShadeEX

I could help with Dosbox articles as well..
Oh and VDMSound too.. id gladly write about that too

I don't know if you already have, but you can help out with DOSBox and VDMSound compatibility on the DOS Games Compatibility Wiki.

I would definitely help out with an Apogee/3DR wiki. If I understand the mandate of the wiki, it's to provide information that fans would be interested in, such as game descriptions, background information and trivia. It also sounds like there would be little or no overlap with my compatibility knowledgebase, even for Apogee/3D Realms games. Wikipedia discourages minutiae, but it sounds like there might be some overlap with Wikipedia, though. How did you envision the wiki differing from information that we could add to Wikipedia articles?

Blade Nightflame · 12-15-2006, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Kalki

Heh- I picture Joe in a Santa hat making a Naughty or Nice list...

Wishlist for people on the nice list?

DNF.

Wishlist for people on the naughty list?

A 'WID' sign.

Joe Siegler · 12-15-2006, 05:50 PM

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Wikipedia discourages minutiae, but it sounds like there might be some overlap with Wikipedia, though. How did you envision the wiki differing from information that we could add to Wikipedia articles?

I wouldn't be so damned hyper anal about sources and whatnot like Wikipedia is. And yeah, I'm sure it would overlap them a lot, but that's not the point. They're OUR games, there's no reason why I can't do that ourselves.

And yeah, I'd probably put some sort of tech stuff in there, it's a pretty natural extension.

08-14-2006, 04:53 PM	#45
Joe Siegler 3D Realms Staff	Re: Wiki I guess if I clearly dictate that the FAQ was info from fans, and in certain areas isn't always considered official (like who works here), then I might be able to get away with it. I'll be contributing, mostly in the area of old school games, as that's where I have a lot of personal interest. I'll probably still do this. Just need to set aside some time and get some basic structure up. __________________ Apogee / 3D Realms Employee: Dec 14, 1992 - May 22, 2009, Oct 23, 2014 - current "Lifting up the Cross to the waiting lost" - Petra \| John 3:16

08-15-2006, 09:37 PM	#49
Joe Siegler 3D Realms Staff	Re: Wiki I've made up my mind tonight. I'm gonna do this. I just need to set aside some time to get the software running, and then write some policies for how things should be done, etc... __________________ Apogee / 3D Realms Employee: Dec 14, 1992 - May 22, 2009, Oct 23, 2014 - current "Lifting up the Cross to the waiting lost" - Petra \| John 3:16

08-15-2006, 10:11 PM	#51
Joe Siegler 3D Realms Staff	Re: Wiki This one will be more free than the Prey one. I'm planning to allow just about anyone to edit it. So if someone wants to do a bit on DOSBox for each game, go for it. __________________ Apogee / 3D Realms Employee: Dec 14, 1992 - May 22, 2009, Oct 23, 2014 - current "Lifting up the Cross to the waiting lost" - Petra \| John 3:16

08-15-2006, 10:45 PM	#54
Joe Siegler 3D Realms Staff	Re: Wiki I said just about anyone. Not "anyone". __________________ Apogee / 3D Realms Employee: Dec 14, 1992 - May 22, 2009, Oct 23, 2014 - current "Lifting up the Cross to the waiting lost" - Petra \| John 3:16

08-16-2006, 08:00 AM	#58
Joe Siegler 3D Realms Staff	Re: Wiki I didn't think about user accounts. Probably will be for each, since the Prey one is not editable by the public, and the DNF one I need to think about some more. __________________ Apogee / 3D Realms Employee: Dec 14, 1992 - May 22, 2009, Oct 23, 2014 - current "Lifting up the Cross to the waiting lost" - Petra \| John 3:16

08-12-2006, 12:16 PM	#41
Xerxes	Re: Wiki How would they know who works at 3DR though? And if they did, you wouldn't be able to stop them from posting it on wikipedia or something anyway(so there'd be less people who know who's making DNF who wouldn't otherwise, maybe still too much though if you're trying to keep it a secret)...

08-12-2006, 12:31 PM	#43
Phayzon	Re: Wiki @Xerxes They could make stuff up? @Micki! Sounds like a reasonable idea. @Joe I can see where that is a possible issue, but do you really think somebody'd do that? (Yes...?) __________________ I made the first post on the VB! "So I guess the news here is that not only is Australia the last to get anything new in regard to videogames, they're also the first to get them taken away." - LeadBullet "We're part-time internet superheros." - Hudson Last edited by Phayzon; 08-12-2006 at 12:34 PM. Reason: Micki! posted

08-14-2006, 03:19 AM	#44
Retodon8	Re: Wiki I'd love to see a 3DR Wiki. Sure, Wikipedia is great, but some of the still very useful content gets deleted... and rightfully so. What I mean with that is, Wikipedia is a general encyclopedia, and because of that doesn't need to list default movement keys, cheat codes, background information on a game's sound track, and so on, but a 3DR Wiki could have this because of its specialization. Of course, depending on what the rules for it would be. Maybe it should be so that only you (Joe) can actually start new articles? You could make one for every subject you deem worthy (probably games, companies, people, maybe even levels and songs?), and people wouldn't be able to create nonsense stuff, just edit the existing (so far empty) articles. That should be possible with the software, and should help keep things relatively organized. __________________ Retodon8 Sheep happens!

08-15-2006, 07:51 AM	#46
Micki!	Re: Wiki Great... Please add a nice litle banner with the Apogee and/or 3DR logo on the upper left corner, as with the Prey Wiki has it... Or if possible, make it similar as the one used here at 3DR's website, with the chagning logo... Just with all kinds of games instead, and the Apogee and 3DR logo too... But only really if it is possible, and if you want to... __________________ A true genius does not need boundaries such as 'common sense'

08-15-2006, 11:26 AM	#47
Altered Reality	Re: Wiki __________________ [...] We view customers as complete morons that will never catch on and [...] we're lying to them all the time. (Gabe Newell, Valve) I'm the worst enemy in film-making and a completely talentless idiot. (Uwe Boll) Faith is why you are wrong. (Crosma)

08-15-2006, 11:28 AM	#48
ZaphodB	Re: Wiki I think the concept is fantastic. __________________ "If there's ANYTHING larger than my EGO I want it shot and killed right now" - Zaphod Beeblebrox This Public Service Announcement brought to you by: "The People Who Have NO Idea What's Going On" (TPWHNOIWGON) We thank you for ignoring it.

08-15-2006, 09:45 PM	#50
avatar_58	Re: Wiki Joe - I could add info on how to get each game running smoothly in dosbox, if that would help. Assuming of course each older game gets its own page.

08-15-2006, 10:17 PM	#52
avatar_58	Re: Wiki Well I wanted a chance (or reason, if you will) to try out editing a wiki site. I planned on making a dosbox oriented site of my own so this would be a little test to see if I want to bother.

08-15-2006, 11:17 PM	#55
Phayzon	Re: Wiki Phew. Had me a little worried for a second there __________________ I made the first post on the VB! "So I guess the news here is that not only is Australia the last to get anything new in regard to videogames, they're also the first to get them taken away." - LeadBullet "We're part-time internet superheros." - Hudson

08-16-2006, 12:44 AM	#56
Nacho	Re: Wiki I look forword to the 3DR Wiki. Actually, rather excited. Kind of looking forword to this more then DNF currently.

08-16-2006, 02:35 AM	#57
Kalki	Re: Wiki More than DNF? Traitor! Joe, are you thinking of implementing wiki user accounts that work on all editable 3D Realms wikis or are seperate accounts required for each wiki? __________________ "Gentlemen, generations to follow will see us as the first pioneers of the internet. They will look upon our days as those of brave spirits and free ideals - where men were men, women were men and children were the FBI." Free Speech

08-16-2006, 11:23 AM	#59
ZaphodB	Re: Wiki Would it be easier to use the user accounts on the forums, or would that just be a royal PITA? __________________ "If there's ANYTHING larger than my EGO I want it shot and killed right now" - Zaphod Beeblebrox This Public Service Announcement brought to you by: "The People Who Have NO Idea What's Going On" (TPWHNOIWGON) We thank you for ignoring it.

08-16-2006, 01:06 PM	#61
Micki!	Re: Wiki Great to know it's gonna happen... I'm looking forward to see the wiki now __________________ A true genius does not need boundaries such as 'common sense'

08-16-2006, 01:27 PM	#62
Joe Siegler 3D Realms Staff	Re: Wiki Well, it's gonna be close to empty when it launches, people will need to put the info in themselves. __________________ Apogee / 3D Realms Employee: Dec 14, 1992 - May 22, 2009, Oct 23, 2014 - current "Lifting up the Cross to the waiting lost" - Petra \| John 3:16

08-16-2006, 01:30 PM	#63
Micki!	Re: Wiki Sure, i hope to be part of that anyways... But mainly i'm looking forward to how it develops over time... Hopefully there's some interesting/cool/funny stuff i didn't know before... __________________ A true genius does not need boundaries such as 'common sense'

08-17-2006, 08:54 AM	#65
Joe Siegler 3D Realms Staff	Re: Wiki I envision it starting off as basically a Wiki version of our product catalogs, and then people will expand on it over time. __________________ Apogee / 3D Realms Employee: Dec 14, 1992 - May 22, 2009, Oct 23, 2014 - current "Lifting up the Cross to the waiting lost" - Petra \| John 3:16

08-17-2006, 09:20 AM	#66
ZaphodB	Re: Wiki Will submitted items have to be approved before they are posted, or just post and correct as it goes? __________________ "If there's ANYTHING larger than my EGO I want it shot and killed right now" - Zaphod Beeblebrox This Public Service Announcement brought to you by: "The People Who Have NO Idea What's Going On" (TPWHNOIWGON) We thank you for ignoring it.

08-17-2006, 09:38 AM	#68
jimbob	Re: Wiki the WIKI sounds like an excellent idea __________________ "Check out the polygons on jimbob's girlfriend!" killerbyte "Jimbob, you're a god-damned genius" rollingbrass "You are a god among men" Water12356

12-06-2006, 05:02 AM	#69
ZaphodB	Re: Wiki So what's the latest news on this? Did it fall off into limbo, is it a WID, or was it decided as a no-go? __________________ "If there's ANYTHING larger than my EGO I want it shot and killed right now" - Zaphod Beeblebrox This Public Service Announcement brought to you by: "The People Who Have NO Idea What's Going On" (TPWHNOIWGON) We thank you for ignoring it.

12-08-2006, 09:28 AM	#72
ShadeEX	Re: Wiki I could help with Dosbox articles as well.. Oh and VDMSound too.. id gladly write about that too __________________ Quote: "In an infinite universe where reality is interpreted through our continuously fluxuating perception, providing absolute definitive proof of anything becomes a little more than speculation based on random data." My Youtube Page-My Website(Not updated yet)-My Other Blog

12-12-2006, 09:53 PM	#73
Joe Siegler 3D Realms Staff	Re: Wiki Yeah, I still want to do it, I just need to work out the logistics. I would like folks to contribute, I think it would be fun. But I keep thinking of problems it can cause. We'd probably need a reliable method of people who would police it for vandalism. __________________ Apogee / 3D Realms Employee: Dec 14, 1992 - May 22, 2009, Oct 23, 2014 - current "Lifting up the Cross to the waiting lost" - Petra \| John 3:16

12-12-2006, 10:51 PM	#74
John	Re: Wiki I'd go for it but I'm sure I'm not trusted enough. __________________ Duke4.net Let not mankind bogart love. [A pessimist is what an optimist defines as a realist.]

12-13-2006, 02:17 PM	#76
Nacho	Re: Wiki Wiki's galore! Ahh, the problem is with the Wiki is just abuse and having someone oversee that it isn't abuse is a big heap of trust on your shoulders. Not to mention work. Think of the Wiki as DNF. They want it perfect so, "WID".