Duke Nukem Forever gets dissed!!

[EvilAsh]

IGN has done an interview with my idol
and the hero of millions worldwide.
Bruce Cambell,star of The Evil Dead Series,
Hercules,Xena and many other cool projects plus now the voice of Tachyons main character. In this little interview
Bruce is askeda bout DNF. and he has these
lovely words to say.


http://formen.ign.com/news/11886.html
"IGN For Men: The Duke Nukem videogame character is obviously an homage to you, at least your attitude...
Bruce Campbell: What?!
IGN For Men: The Duke Nukem character?
Bruce Campbell: Really?
IGN For Men: I would say so.
Bruce Campbell: I'm kidding, I'm well aware of Duke Nukem.
IGN For Men: Have you been approached for the movie at all?
Bruce Campbell: No, and I would say no because of the way they've handled it.
IGN For Men: How have they handled it?
Bruce Campbell: Well, they're rip-off artists. Let them get their own damn material. It's called hiring a writer. They're blatantly ripping it off and if I was any kind of litigious guy they would've
gotten a phone call by now. It's depressing and I think it's wrong. That's why Tachyon: The Fringe will kick little Duke's ass any day."

LOL Talk about being So Right.
My question to 3drealms is why the hell did you not get the MAN BRUCE himself if your going to rip-off a good 90% of his lines.
It really was kind of stupid to that.
And they could have gotten sued if Bruce was a dick about it. They are lucky.
I hope they can write some new lines for Duke that are original.

[This message has been edited by EvilAsh (edited 11-08-1999).]

[CONAN]

They used those lines because they work perfectly with Duke. They get no better than that.

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[EvilAsh]

Yes it works great but couldn't they have used the MAN To supply the voice!!
Bruce Campbell is a great voice actor and if they had asked I guarantee he would have done it. His son is a huge gamer and he would do it for his son.

[CONAN]

Maybe they didn't want to pay that much. And St. John did a great job.

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[EvilAsh]

He could never sound like Bruce CAmpbell.
So he didn't do a great job.

[CONAN]

I think he did. Bruce would've done good too, but Jon did a good job and had the Duke personality perfect.

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I posted something similar earlier... Nobody from 3D Realms made any kind of comment.
As much as I like Duke and 3DR, I have to say that he is absolutly %100 correct.
In DNF they are ripping off the whole "chainsaw hand" thing too.
And I remember them saying earlier that the weapons were all going to be "soooooo original!"
Like a shrink ray or a freeze ray are original ideas either...They've been used in comics and sci-fi for years. Nobody had them in a FPS before but there werent that many FPS's out when Duke was originally released.

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[Yenji]

Who cares if its orginal or not? Its very hard to come up with something orginal today because its more then likey been done before. As long as its fun its ok

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Bruce Campbell: They're blatantly ripping it off and if I was any kind of ltigious guy they would've gotten a phone call by now.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bruce doesn't own those lines so how can he sue? The Med-evil Dead producers don't even own them. Those lines have all been said before (groovy, come get some, that's gotta hurt, hail to the king, etc.) Just because they're contained within one movie doesn't mean they become the property of the people who made the movie. Sure, it's obvious that 3DR got some of it's inspiration from that movie, but there's nothing wrong with that. Bruce Campbell should be flattered that he played a part in creating the most popular computer game hero ever.

I guess Bruce never heard of the 3 D's: "Don't Dis Duke."

Oh, and St. John rules.



[This message has been edited by DukemNukem (edited 11-08-1999).]

[BADGER]

Is everyone who says "May the force be with you" ripping and stealing from George Lucas? It's stupid.

I don't see what was so wrong with Duke using the lines. It's not because 3D Realms are rip-off artists, it's just because the game was planned to be a humourous game and taking those lines would have proved very funny (They're good lines) and fit in perfectly with the game.

And I think Jon St. John did a superb job at the voice.

And another thing, the interview did not attack DNF, just Duke Nukem. Replace the title and move it to the Duke forum

BADGER
That last part was obvious

I can't understand you guys. The man has a right to express his opinion - whether you like it or not. Not everyone think Duke 3D was a work of art, for example. Many peole say it's nothing but strippers, violence, and a blond macho - who shoot aliens like a zombie. They have their right to think that way.

Same case here, if that's what he thinks, good for him! No need to diss him for that. he's not some whizzer with no talent like Id's guys, after all. save it for them.

[Uncle Duke]

EvilAsh, if you don't like 3D Realms, and you don't like Duke Nukem, why do the hell do you waste your time bothering us?

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[Duke's New Chainsaw]

HE would have sucked.

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"WHAT THERE'S ONLY ONE OF YOU?!?!?!"-Duke Nukem

[SpamViking]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>That's why Tachyon: The Fringe will kick little Duke's ass any day."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think not. This actually bothers me. I love the Evil Dead flicks, and of course I'm a fan of Duke. So, doesn't it bother anyone that Bruce is dissing a company comprised of people that are obviously fans of his? I understand that he is entitled to his opinion, and I respect that, but do you think that it's that big a deal? Or is Bruce just being a jerk?

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EvilAsh came from the Unreal Tournament/GT forum. Don't mind him, he is not bad, just beware of Bad_CRC, Vengence, or Geoff if they come.

Theres not enough evidence to support a court case so there not to much he can do. Who cares, I mean what do i care if this guy hates duke. Im not loosing any sleep over it.

ps - you know hes goign to be in line for dnf

- Logic BomB

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Dnf as forseen in the movie Tremors 2:
"ITS GOING TO BE BIG! BIIIIG!"
"Is it going to be TODAY!"

[fool]

The only line that I think could even be questioned as an original line in Army of Darkness that was transferred was probably "Hail to the King Baby!" I mean, besides that, how many times has "Groovy!" been said? You can't exactly hold a patent on that. It's just a coined phrase now. I mean, who in their right mind would complain if Duke said "Live Long and Prosper" like Spock from Star Trek. If he did that coined line, would it be still considered stealing other people's material? I doubt it. Bruce is ussually a cool guy, I dunno why he's in a bunch about this.
-fool

half my friends haven't even heard of him LOL! No I'm honest here, I have never heard of that guy!

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>EvilAsh came from the Unreal Tournament/GT forum. Don't mind him, he is not bad, just beware of Bad_CRC, Vengence, or Geoff if they come.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Amen to that Rifleman, are you on it too? I haven't seen any posts by you, or do you use another nick?

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Hail to the King Baby!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Actually, isn't that actually a ripoff by EvilDead and Duke Nukem 3D by Elvis? Or is that just something I pieced together?

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[This message has been edited by The Reaper (edited 11-08-1999).]

I'll just sit back and let the dogs (CGW and PC GAMER) chew away at Tachyon: The Fringe. And when the rating comes out and it sucks, I'll sit back and smile and mutter "suck that down ash, hail to the king baby!"

[EvilAsh]

And When TACHYON ROCKS ASS.
aND HAS AWESOME MP TOO BOOT.
Guess whatI WILL SAY?
I GOT A BONE TO PICK WITH YOU!

Face it man, if I haven't heard of it; it sucks, and I haven't heard of Tachon: The Fringe until now.

And BTW man, if you don't like DNF, then go to another UBB. It's called this is the 3drealms UBB not the Tachon Fringe UBB.
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[This message has been edited by The Reaper (edited 11-08-1999).]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>And When TACHYON ROCKS ASS.
aND HAS AWESOME MP TOO BOOT.
Guess whatI WILL SAY?
I GOT A BONE TO PICK WITH YOU!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Holy shit!!!! Didn't somebody say don't get your panties in a bunch??? (or somthing to that effect)
Anyway.. I can see someone being loyal to bruce as a fan.. I mean hell, he's perty damn cool. But wow... chill out homey!

On a Lighter note....

Bruce said himself that he's not a gamer, so he probably never played duke and understood the coolness that is duke and what the 'Army of Darkness' lines were still able to bring to an already cool game.

As far as sueing, you think just cause you and I think a coined phrase is public domain, he wouldn't get rich?? Didn't some dumb bitch get a couple Mil from Micky'Dz cause she burned her dumbass on some coffee? Never underestimate the powers of the courts!

and last but not least..

'The Adventures of Brisco County Jr.' kicks F*ckin A$$ and 'Herculese' and 'Xena' suck!!
whew... got that outta my system

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[This message has been edited by tums (edited 11-08-1999).]

[Aurora51]

simple: the guy is a failed actor. I mean, wow, he's on that Xena show or whatever the hell its called. Yipee. He's pissed cuz Duke Nukem is more popular than he is. Envy ppl, ENVY!

Besides, Tachyon sucks. The demo sucks too. I've played it, and its just horrible, and to suggest that its gonna kick DNF's ass, its simply stupid.

You know what, Screw Bruce Cambell. That bastard should be happy. Screw him and screw everyone else that thinks duke is a ripoff. Im sick of hearing this crap. If you dont like Duke get the hell outta here.

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I'll rip your head off and sh*t down your neck.

By the way i totally agree with everything you just said Aurora(sorry if i mispelled it)

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I'll rip your head off and sh*t down your neck.

Demo? what demo? where can I get it? Or are you all screwing with me?

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[JonoF]

I think it's your turn EvilAsh.

JonoF

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[EvilAsh]

LOL. Screw BRuce Cambell? LOL.
The guy is probably one of the few actors in the world that One actualy talks to his fans.
To Actually responds to his fans.
Three doesn't have an ego the size of
michigan. 4 IS an excellent director on his own right. And 5. The lines are his baby YOU
KNOW WHERE THE LINES COME FROM THEY COME FROM
EVIL DEAD2 and ARmy OF DARKNESS.
Public Domain my ass.

You think 3drealms put those lines in there so fans could think of an other movie or movies? Hell no They put those lines in there cause they love Evil Dead series and ARmy of Darkness. The point is they never asked him.
They didn't have to pay him just should have asked and they should have asked him to do the voice. You don't ahem realize how many
EVil DEAD fans there are. Imagine if Dukenukem3d had Bruce's Voice in there in stead of some no name. It would have lent a sense of credibility to his stolen material.
Oh most definitly it would have sold more thats for sure.

Just as imagine having Bruce doing the voice for DNF now. Missed Oppurtunity.
And its something 3drealms should apologize to him for. Show a little respect to the guy.

hey evilash...take a look at Bruce, and then a look at Duke...see the difference?
Duke is this big-ass-steroid-munchin'-macho dude w/ a big ass gun unloading on some evil demon...
now, i know that thats kinda what bruce did in the movies, but he doesn't look as buff as duke...and personaly, he doesn't have the right kind of voice for duke...just not deep enough.
Anyway, thats just my opinion...so, as the saying goes: "don't get your panties in a buch"

Hehehehe...

I can not belive some of you people on here. Anytime and I mean anytime someone says something critical or has a bad thing to say about anything "Duke" related you blast that person! Sometimes I think you people sleep with little duke nukem dolls and go around the house trying to act all buff and quote Duke Nukem. This board "at least I think" is for anyone to say how they feel about DNF... is it not? I will buy the game when it comes out... but get a grip everyone it is only a GAME!!!

Kosh

whats wrong w/ sleeping w/ duke nukem doll?!

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I've only been sayin' it for YEARS!

Now im not sure how the making of the evil dead and army of drakness movies were done BUT it is my understanding that the writers made up the lines and he just said them. Therefore there not his. Did he create the idea for those movies?

And no they didnt have to ask him because there werent his to give permission to use and second they COULD have hired him for the voice but thats an extra expence and cash out of the wallets of 3drealms pockets, a LOT of cash because he is (was more like it) a big star.

Yay, you like bruce. Good for you. Dont push your opinions on others, you havent brought up one solid fact the entire time you have been posting. If you dont work at 3drealms then you cant tell them how they should do there job. IMHO your worst then the people who tell them its taking to long and they MUST have some shitty idea they like in it to be a good game.

And in case you havent noticed. Duke is supposed to be an action/comedy type game. The homour comes from things like the protazoan slimers that hatched from the eggs and the women encomapassed in the slime. That was from the Alien movies. The signs that say innocent and guilty. Thats abotu the OJ trial. That funny figure hanging upsidedown in a cave that when you get close duke sais "thats this is a force to be reconed with" thats from star wars. Lets not forget the guy in that cave in hotel hell leading to the secret level who sais "we meet again mr bond" or somethign along those lines. That was from James Bond.

3drealms is not a ripoff company they are more comedians then anything else. If you complain about ash being in there then your complaining about almost EVERYTHING that makes Duke, Duke. And if you down like duke then i laugh at you because your spending WAY to much time in a place you hate so deerly.

- Logic BomB

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Dnf as forseen in the movie Tremors 2:
"ITS GOING TO BE BIG! BIIIIG!"
"Is it going to be TODAY!"

[Retodon8]

My lines and home-made 'jokes' are ripped off all the time by my friends, and I made them myself!

Hey L.B...i agree w/ everything you just said, exept one thing: It wasn't james bond, it was Indiana Jones... "We meet again Dr. Jones"
not trying to be a stick in the mud...just letting you know

Sory i was on crack....

well at least tahts what im saying.

- Logic BomB

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Dnf as forseen in the movie Tremors 2:
"ITS GOING TO BE BIG! BIIIIG!"
"Is it going to be TODAY!"

[EvilAsh]

For those who are uninformed about
The Evildead Series.
Sam Raimi and Bruce Cambell are best friends.
and Bruce did create a good 99% of those funny lines in that movie. He adlibbed alot.
So yes those are his lines.

[CONAN]

I am almost 100% sure they are not his lines. I bet a few people said them before the movies came out. Therefore Brice did not invent them, therefore they are not his.

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Look it's just his opinion. You don't need to hate him because of his opinion. We all have are opinions about things.

[Dukefan]

OK EvilAsh, you really should chill out. Hey just because some of us don't worship Campbell doesn't mean you have to tell us we should.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>The lines are his baby YOU KNOW WHERE THE LINES COME FROM THEY COME FROM EVIL DEAD2 and ARmy OF DARKNESS. Public Domain my ass.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
His? Excuse me, is Bruce Campbell the guy who wrote the script? Is he the one who wrote the movie? According to IMDB, those credits go to Sam Raimi, Scott Spiegel, and Ivan Raimi (#1 on both, #2 on ED2, #3 on AOD). OK, so he could have adlibbed, but the question remains: how much? You have no proof or solid facts that he adlibbed the linese you're defending. And yes, they were public domain. How many times do you think the phrase "I'll be back" has appeared in movies since The Terminator came out. How many of those movie studios do you think were sued for use of the line. The fact is, EvilAsh, a group of words or phrases is not nearly enough to justify copyright infringment, so it is legally public domain. That is a fact.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>You think 3drealms put those lines in there so fans could think of an other movie or movies? Hell no They put those lines in there cause they love Evil Dead series and ARmy of Darkness. The point is they never asked him.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
So what if they did it because they love those movies (and BTW, who the hell are you to speak for the opinions of others). For love of the movie? Sure why not. You can't back up your statement that 3DR loves ED (though I can't back up that they don't), but they're allowed to poke fun at things they like. There's a pic of a dead mangled Luke Skywalker, a pic of an impaled Indiana Jones, eggs that hatch like from Aliens, a mangled space marine from Doom, and a line reference to James Bond (as LB pointed out). Hey if anything, it's those references which could spark a much more justifiable copyright suit should any of those studios give a rat's ass. And asked Campbell? Why should they have asked him? It's a few select words in the English language. It is legally public domain, so he couldn't do a thing. Besides diss 3DR in envy, of course

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>They didn't have to pay him just should have asked and they should have asked him to do the voice. You don't ahem realize how many EVil DEAD fans there are.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Why should they have tried to get Campbell for the voice? Listen EvilAsh, the thing you don't realize is that Ash is not Duke. They are two completely different people/characters in two completely different worlds. Just becasue they tend to speak alike does not mean the same actor has to play botyh roles. If I am in a movie, and those phrases are part of my lines, they don't have to, nor would they have any obligation to, get Campbell to adlib his own voice over mine. There are six billion people in the world, and they're all allowed to say the same things, no matter who invented them.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Imagine if Dukenukem3d had Bruce's Voice in there in stead of some no name. It would have lent a sense of credibility to his stolen material. Oh most definitly it would have sold more thats for sure.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Well maybe they weren't even trying to attract ED fans. Maybe they were trying to attract first-person shooter fans. And sense of credibility to stolen material? Right...as if any real fan of Duke3D cared where the lines came from.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Just as imagine having Bruce doing the voice for DNF now. Missed Oppurtunity. And its something 3drealms should apologize to him for. Show a little respect to the guy.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Man your obsession for the actor is taking a turn for the scary. Why should they apologize? They did nothing wrong. Just because some words were said by two different people does not mean that the person who said them first owns them. They're just words, man. Lighten up.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Sam Raimi and Bruce Cambell are best friends.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
What the hell does that have to do with anything?

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>He could never sound like Bruce CAmpbell. So he didn't do a great job.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I seriously think you should look into getting some kind of help for obsessive-compulsives...Look, just because copies a few lines doesn't mean he has to use the same pitch and tone. My voice sounds nothing like Campbells. Does that mean I'm not allowed to say his lines? Dammit, St. John wasn't even trying to sound like Ash. He was trying to sound like his impression of Duke's voice! He's a voice actor, and voice actors have to create a personality and tone for the character they're speaking for. Since Duke is not Ash, Jon St. John tried to create what he thought Duke should sound like. Not what Ash sounds like. It doesn't mean he's a bad voice actor.

Anything else you want me to disprove?

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